good morning. i'm chris jansing. we are watching wisconsin for the recall election in that state. with five months left in the race for president, this could serve as an important indicator for the obama campaign. then the match up is definitely testing labor, money and political muscle in a state that has gone from reliably blue to a toss up. let's go to molly ball. good morning. >> good morning. >> if scott walker wins by more than a few points, is that a warning sign that president obama will have trouble in the midwest? >> absolutely. as you pointed out, wisconsin is a toss up state. it is a state that both sides are vying for.

both sides in the scenarios need wisconsin to win. in 2008, there was incredible controversy. in 2010, there were missing voters here. getting people excited to come out to the polls as this recall election is doing. we had record voting so far in the early voting. they are projecting record turn out here today. energizing people and getting people to the polls is what it is about. >> molly, president obama tweeted this. it is election day tomorrow. i'm standing by tom barrett. he would make an outstanding governor. signed bo. before that, we did not see from him or hear from him. scott walker talked about it. take a listen. >> it is confusing to voters here. they wonder why wouldn't you come in two years ago? the same senate opponent is

running. he came in. i think it is a sign of real concern. >> what is the president balancing here by making this decisi decision, molly? >> we hear from democrats in wisconsin trying to downplay the idea that this is not in any way a preview of november. you see the polls that show walker winning. still show obama winning. they are emphasizing these are two electorates. we are expecting higher turnout in the special election and the gubernatorial election. it is a non regularly scheduled election in june. it is expected to fall short of 2008. you will have students, for example, who are not in session, who will have an absentee vote. that is a big population. >> is there a concern, molly, that so many democrats think he is risking things? risking democratic support in the fall and risking labor

support? those are the folks who get out the get out the vote efforts. >> you would think there would be disappointment from the democrats in wisconsin. we did hear some of that voiced early on. for the most part, i'm not hearing that as much. they seem understanding and some of them seem to think if the president had gotten involved and made this more of a national race, this is that way as well. >> ruth, what is at stake here for labor? >> what's at stake, really is the middle class and democracy. scott walker not only eliminated colle collective bargaining rights -- people are energized about what is happening here in wisconsin. unlike the rest of the country. it is not the number two race this year for people in wisconsin, it is really the number one. i think obama had better hope that barrett wins today because this is where the energy is.

what is happening in our schools to our workers and to people here in wisconsin is what concerns people. >> molly, i wonder if it will have a trickle down effect specifically about ohio, both sides desperately want to win. how much does labor matter these days? you can argue the influence has been eroding since mondale. >> one of the effects to collective bargaining is the population in unions in wisconsin has declined by quite a bit. i think on the left there is a fear that if walker prevails, governors will feel emboldened to even feel the same agenda and weaken lab error in their state. >> you mention what the headline in the "wall street journal" is today. all eyes are on turnout in the

wisconsin recall election. let me bring in nbc's ron allen. ron, good morning to you. us? >> reporter: good morning, chris. talk about turnout. direction, there is a line that is stretching out of the firehouse door. there have been people lining up for an hour before the polls opened at 7:00 a.m. this morning. running about 300% above what is normal turnout during an election. it gives you some sense of the feelings here. just about everybody we spoken to today said they will vote for walker. so, no surprise there. across the state, a lot of passion. their expectations could reach 65% or higher. back during the presidential election, president obama, the rate was up close to 70%. if it gets up that high, the democrats think they have a

better chance of ousting the governor. this is, as you have been saying, a huge test for organized labor. they need to ramp up the efforts to get out the vote. there are few undecided voters. everybody has an opinion about this. the polls seem to give the governor an edge and have consistently for the last few weeks. there is every expectation this is a tight race. >> ron allen, thank you. you cannot talk about the race or turnout without talking about money. more than $60 million has been spent on the recall. more than $46 million on the republican side. almost $20 million on the democrat side. outside groups have been playing a big role on this. tim phillips is part of a super pac. >> chris, we are not a super

pac. >> you spent about $3 million. another report of $10 million. >> since january of last your, $10 million. the day after the reforms in the legislation, we began running ads in support of the legislation. that is important. >> that is a big chunk of change for wisconsin. why was it important to spend that money? >> we have been in wisconsin since 2005 as part of the chapter. we eliminated a budget deficit. we thought it was important for the state. we have been there since day one. >> it is interesting to me to say look, in the campaign we are talking about money. to look at the difference between the huge amounts of money and all the ads that could buy and things like organized labor. boots on the ground. labor groups knocked on 300,000 doors and 400,000 phone calls. how have your groups changed the

equation? >> we have over 500,000 staff on the ground. they are knocking on doors and making phone calls. what we found is it is not about politics for folks there. they want to know if the reforms are making my life better for my life and job? that is what we are talking about. >> i heard a lot about how for all the talk we do about presidential campaigns and influence of groups like yours, the races are big. looking at redistricting. a lot of battle grounds we haven't had in the past. do you have a sense of how you split up your money or how many will go to the presidential race and how many to the senate and house? >> we don't. i'll say this, it is a state by state effort. it is not a national thing. i don't think any citizen goes and says i want to be part of a national trend. they look at what is important in their state. i will say this about wisconsin.

one reason the unions are in trouble, they overreecached. they talked about collective bargaining. they know the public is tired of hearing about this. they need to get off on how to move their state forward instead of protecting their privileged status. >> do you have a sense that it will make a big difference not just, obviously, in wisconsin. we talked about how that will be, but this could have the results in national impact? >> i don't think it will. i know that is counter to what people are saying. i think in the end what happens in which is is about the future of the state economically. the president, we were there saturday. he was in minneapolis. he would not come the last 35 miles. i think it will kill him in the end politically in wisconsin. >> we have heard and were you on the ground, this is the most ideologically divided state. there was a new pew report that

came out this morning. we as america are much more divided than in the past. not by race or religion, but political ideology. that has doubled over the last few years. we talk about the challenge that provides congress. >> i'm wrestling alligators and in some ways it is like wisconsin in we had millions and millions of dollars of outside money that has come in and flooded the air waves. i'm a moderate. i want us to get along. i work with republicans. a lot of them have been told to stay away from me right now because they are trying hard to take me out. i continue to say and i will say until i go to my grave it is a good thing to work with the other party. >> a lot of americans, you can see it in the polls, agree with her. she talked about the flooding of air waves in wisconsin. there is virtually nothing in the air that is not political.

are groups like yours part of the problem causing the divide? >> i think it is a good thing to have a healthy debate about the future of the country. >> is that what is going on? >> absolutely. our ads do not mention barrett or scott walker. we mention the free market reforms. lowering deficits and creating jobs. i think a good healthy debate on the issues is a good thing. the president has pushed over the last three years to his credit. we disagree on the issues, but he has put forward a strong agenda. too much spending and too much government. nonetheless, he is out with bold colors. we have taken him on on it. there are big issues at stake. >> tim phillips, thank you for coming in. i want to bring in ruth and molly again. do you think that part of the

frustration that a lot of people have is this divide or are they playing into it? we like to criticize the things we see out there and maybe we are feeding the problem? >> i think there is a sense of a bit of schizophrenia on the politic. one of the things you see in polls that people very strongly want people to represent them politically to stand on principle. it is a difficult thing to resolve. we are at a point because of the anxiety and the economy, people are not sure where to turn. they cast blame in a lot of of directions and a lot of the money exacerbates that. >> ruth, is the art of compromise dead? >> i don't think it is dead. it hadn't been dead in wisconsin

until walker arrived. one of the shocking things to what walker did is what he describes as the divide and conquer strategy. you saw that in the contempt and violating open meeting laws or an allow them to vote on the legislation. also when he spoke to the people of wisconsin, he gave the cynically titled fire side chat. he described his brother-in-law who paid a lot for his benefits. unlike fdr who tried to bring people together, our governor said why should the public employees have decent benefits and job security if all of these insecure workers don't have that? by dividing people in that way and playing on resentment and insecurity and blaming the teachers and snow plow drivers, he has ridden the state. it is clear it will not be a better deal for anybody. we are dead last for job creation. month after month. the bureau of statistics has

reported this. it is very divisive. where are we going with this? it is a race to the bottom. >> we're going to see today how the voters of wisconsin decide. i want to thank both of our guests, molly and ruth. we will see what happens later today. in addition to wisconsin, voters are going to the polls in new jersey, montana, new mexico, california and arizona today. it would raise a tax on the cigarettes by $1. that money with fund cancer research. follow the wings. [ male announcer ] what's in your energy drink? ♪ power surge, let it blow your mind. [ male announcer ] for fruits, veggies

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ii's subjects to mark her diamond jubilee to celebrate her 60-year reign. the crowds have been making their way to buckingham palace. the royal family made its way back home a short time ago. they will greet the throngs of people minutes from now from the royal balcony. it will knock off the pomp and pageantry. we have martin brashear. it brings us back to the royal wedding. it is impressive to see the royal crowds. it has been a long time. 115 years since the uk was able to celebrate a diamond jubilee. put it in perspective how big a milestone is this for the queen and all of britain.

>> reporter: chris, it is an truly amazing. the only time it was celebrated in 1897. queen victoria was the only monarch to reach this milestone. the reality is queen elizabeth has been on the throne for six decades. it is a chance for everybody to celebrate a great and truly honorable and dignified lady. >> when you think about it, martin, there are huge numbers of people who have never known any other queen. >> reporter: absolutely. nor have i, thankfully. >> i shouldn't have pointed that out. >> reporter: what is interesting about it on this occasion today is prince philip is hospitalized with a bladder infection. at her golden jubilee ten years ago, she talked about her husband being her stay and her strength. today's ceremony and service earlier today where the

archbishop of can aftterbury wa there. he was due to be coronated on the 26th. the royal family was stoic. he was seen sitting up in hospital seen smoking a churchill cigar. this is a royal occasion for the united kingdom against terrible economic news. the country is back in a double-dip recession. two quarters of recession. growth is down. unemployment is up. it is not a great time. i can see why people are rather determined to enjoy this. this is something they can celebrate. >> in spite of the weather as you see the um umbrellas. >> reporter: traditional british day. no sunshine.

>> for the queen and the royal family on the balcony at the buckingham palace, something we have not seen since the royal wedding last year. we will have full coverage of this and be back right here on msnbc. ♪ the one and only, cheerios ♪

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done while people as recently as last week were saying he wasn't born in america. he has had to get all this done with the house of representatives that had one of the tea party members claim that 78 to 81 members of the democratic caucus were members of the communist party and neither leaders rebuked him for that. this is not the 1950s. >> of course, that was -- i guess royalty of the american politics. here we are at the royal palace and waiting for the doors to open. since we have not seen since the royal wedding. this will cap a spectacular four days. we have martin bashir here with us. there, the doors are opening, and the queen, the second longest reigning monarch in britain's history coming out. martin, the crowd is going wild,

as we say in the states. >> going wild. >> reporter: going wild, absolutely. on the balcony, there will be less people surrounding the queen. you will see less royals. it will be the immediate royal family. charles, camilla, william and kate and prince harry. they are the future of the monarchy surrounded with the second longest reigning monarch in british history. let's hope she surpasses queen victoria. >> i think she looks absolutely smashing. one of the things i can tell you that all of the women in america were waiting to see what she wears today after the spectacular red dress she wore for the flotilla. to talk about the queen, she spent hours on the water, martin, in the flotilla. there have been all these pageants. so much has gone on in the last four days in the cold and the rain.

how does she do it? >> it is amazing. she is 86 years of age. she hosts events per year where around 50,000 people in total are present. she is a remark bring robust woman. the archbishop said today at the service of thanksgiving, she say woman who is committed to duty and service and sacrifice. that has defined her life. i sometimes get the impression, because all of us have moments of not feeling great having the odd cold and somewhat, and she rarely cancels any appearances that are arranged for her. she is a remarkable stalwart and servant of the united kingdom. >> i have to think, robert, when i'm looking at this picture of her standing with her grandson,

william. he was asked recently what it would be like to ascend to the job at the age of 25. he could not imagine taking that on. she did that under the circumstances when her father died when she was so very young. when you look back at the fact and she has done this for 60 years. i should say, robert, she was an a woman at a time when women did not hold a lot of high office. how has she changed the monarchy and the face of britain? >> reporter: i think that is absolutely right, chris. she came to the throne at a tender age. she spent her life as a mother and working. she had to abandon a lot of her role as a mother. a lot of time pass charles off to be cared for by nannies and other people. that was a difficult thing for

her to do. she knew her father, king george vi said duty first. >> i just need to intervene, robert. we are watching the royal air force squadron flying past buckingham palace. this was arranged and prepared. it happened last year for the royal wedding. this is the royal salute to her majesty and the queen. >> reporter: it is beginning to pour down in rain here. the rain has poured and it got sunny again. we are seeing it clearly. the crowds will beshortly as it over the palace. >> you cannot help by think, very few organizations, very few countries do this kind of pomp and ceremony, like you brits,

martin. >> i guess we're good at that. we're not very good at sport at the moment. >> don't be bitter. >> as you look at this fly past, you are reminded the royal family has a long history of relationships with the armed services. prince philip was a naval officer. >> prince william is deciding to stay. >> he has done service in the royal navy and air force. there goes the fly past, which is a delight. i think that is a spitfire and i couldn't see. >> reporter: we just saw the queen saying absolutely amazing. she saw the beginning of the fly past. she stood on that balcony with the king and winston churchill. this scene is not all too unfamiliar in the crowds and love they share for the queen. >> they share love and warmth

for the queen. we just saw and i don't know how you can stand there and not be awed by what you are seeing. especially standing on the balcony. >> here is the red arrows team which is, in fact, the gymnastics of air flight in the united kingdom. they left a jet stream of red, white and blue as they fly and accelerate over buckingham palace. >> you see the members of the royal family, robert, talking back and for back and forth and so many of our images of the difficult years were a coldness of charles and diana and so on. this seems to be a family that has really settled into its place. that they are all very comfortable with each other. i don't want to call them a typical family by any stretch of the imagination. the relationships with the queen and camilla and the queen and

kate. seem to be very strong and very loving. >> reporter: i think that is absolutely true. they are human beings like the rest of us. they have had ups and downs. notably with the death of the princess of wales and the divorce preceding that. >> i want to interrupt you. the 60-gun salute is about to be fired by the rifle regiment. this, of course, is the playing of the national anthem. there will be a salute fired in a moment. sorry, robert. >> reporter: it's a fantastic scene, martin. i think you can see the smiles in the crowds. it is beginning to rain. the union flags are waving. everyone seems to have a great time. although the umbrellas are up.

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>> i was half expecting the two of you gentlemen to sing along. >> my father would have belted me for not standing when "god save the queen" was played, but i'm struck to the chair so i'm not able to do that. this is a wonderful achievement of this remarkable woman. a woman, to some extent, is the most familiar and most mysterious people in britain. we see her and know a great deal about her life, yet nobody really knows anybody at all. >> she has never given an interview. it is clear we should never expect her to give an interview. i think if anybody would get it, martin bashir would get it. >> i don't think i would after what happened. there we are. >> robert, as you watch this and

she has smiled many times and she waved at the crowd. this has to be bittersweet that her husband is not at her side. he is visiting him in hospital? >> reporter: his condition is not as serious as people are saying. he is nearly 91 years old. there is no way of saying. they are taking great precautions to make sure that everything can be done for him. she has put in a stoic performance. her thoughts are with the man she loves and the man who has been her consort for over 60 years. >> what the lead -- this is highly unusually for the kings troop to remove their hats. they are doing so because they are announcing the three cheers for the queen. she is acknowledging that moment of informality with a smile on her face. >> the queen is also known for

her hats. i should say she always wears the color-coordinated outfits. she is a style icon for the older set. she also dresses in vibrant colors. she is not a tall woman. she is often in crowds. i guess it helps her to stand out. is that right? >> reporter: absolutely. you will see her in yellow, her favorite color. bright blues and purples. in the outfit today, you can see her on the balcony among harry and william and kate and camilla. when she was a much younger woman, she was really a superstar. looked amazing. people used to turn out just to see her just like think did with diana and kate now. she has always been a style icon. >> she is walking off the balcony with the black patent leather bag. what is in that bag, martin?

>> i know there's lots of stuff. the queen always wears bright clothing because she recognizes that the public wish to see her. so, she does so. one of her ladies in waiting was quoted years ago was saying that the queen deliberately selects clothing that is easy to identify so she will stand out. that, i think, is a gain indicative of the sense of commitment and service that this woman has given to the nation. that she feels that even in her dress she must give in some way so the public can be satisfied by noting who she is and able to pick her out in a crowd. >> i have to say, robert, watching from the other side of the pond and we're all fascinated with catherine and how magnificent she always looks in a very understated and

sophisticated and not pushing the envelope kind of way. her dresses come below the knee. she wears a lot of lace. she has had a tremendous influence on, obviously, style around the world. do you think she is taking a lot of cues from the queen? >> i think she is taking advice and lead from the queen. the reality is nobody particularly kate wants to upstage the queen in the jubilee celebrations. she is doing it with a plumb. she was the star performer a year ago. she helped put the royal family back on the map. the popularity polls are higher than ever. this is all about the queen and service she has done over the last 60 years. that is why kate and harry and william have taken a supporting role. it was prince charles who has taken the lead man role with the speech at the concert last night which was moving. >> i think also to robert's

point is kate has the benefit of observing of how someone shouldn't behave. sarah ferguson, the duchess of york, was embarrassing to the monarchy. it set an example of whatnot to do. i think the duchess of cambridge takes note of that and doesn't try to steal the limelight. she doesn't do anything to embarrass the queen or the monarchy. that is what shapes the way of the way they celebrate. >> we are very happy that we have robert jobson in london and martin bashir here to celebrate. gentlemen, thanks to both of you. much appreciated. you can catch more of martin

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pay equity. the fight does point to the election year strategy to run as an class. that doesn't mean americans are feeling better about the economy. how much is purely their own situation? i'm joined by jean chatzky. >> it's nice to be here. >> every voter has their personal situation and their feeling about the country overall. when you see a headline on saturday with the disappointing jobs numbers, how does that play into voters feelings and can it influence how they vote? >> i think it has everything to do with how they will vote in the election season. the jobs situation is the primary factor that people will look at as they go to the polls. they will ask how they are doing

can they continue to operate in this way or vote for a change? >> if you are a person out of a job, there is the fear factor. can i keep my job or can my college graduate find a job? you say it is relative wealth. explain that. >> relative wealth is so much more important than absolute wealth. we look at how we are doing relative to the other people in our lives. to our neighbors. >> keeping up with the jones? >> the money in behavior finance does two things. where our money is involved, we adapt and compare. we adapt in when we get a raise, two weeks later, we cannot remember how we lived on less. we compare by looking at the other people around us. if we are actually doing better than they are, whether or not we

are doing well on a sort of absolute level, we tend to feel better than worse. >> there are the future projections involving the stock market. just about everybody has some retirement investment in the stock market. i see it a lot with people who seem to be very financially secure second guessing expenditures because they are worried about the paper number and that number has gone down. >> when we are feeling richer because of our 401(k) has gotten fatter or our value in the home has gone up, we are spending more. we are looking at the markets which have been volatile. you think you don't have the ability to spend more although the balances in our bank accounts probably haven't changed. >> i want to talk about voter perceptions and how it rolls into the campaign. i want to bring in bob shrump.

former adviser to the republican campaign. bob, we said it a million times. the economy is stupid. with billions spent on this campaign and ads blanketing the air waves, can we influence how people feel about the economy? >> i think people live the economy in their lives. there are three things operating. we don't know where the friday number is going to go. they are rooting for a downturn. the president will be out with a strong message on what we need to do with jobs and how house republicans are blocking measures to create jobs. thirdly, the romney people don't like this, the election is not just a referendum. it's a choice. on a series of issues from bain to his job record in

massachusetts, romney is spending a lot of time defending himself. i thought it was hilarious when the obama campaign said 47th in job creation. so four years and he got them into the bottom half of job creation? this will be a real discussion that goes on all year. >> is this a discussion going on in living rooms and over water coolers less about where we are and who can get us to a better place? >> yes. if i may do the contrast here, remember when governor romney was in massachusetts, his unemployment rate was 4.7%. i'm sure the president would be happy with that. >> he was 47th in job creation. >> it is still 4.7%. >> that had nothing to do with it. >> the bottom line is the president has managed to do something really remarkable.

he has never been under 8% unemployment. he ripped off 40 consecutive months of 8% or higher. you hear the question where are the jobs? we have the bill in the senate over what republicans need to do. we put 30 bills in the senate that harry reid refuses to pick up. how are you supposed to govern when you have a majority leader who will not do anything? you need to engage the majority leader to pick up the bills. >> both focusing on framing this debate. this is a new obama campaign web video. it accuses of a double standard. take a look. >> don't hold mitt romney accountable for the first three years because he inherited the bad economy although the recession ended before he was elected. the same people blame the president for the job losses in january of 2009.

the month he was inaugurated. >> is she right? >> i don't see anybody contributes that to president obama. he laid out the huge stimulus plan. if you look at the economic growth last year, it was under 2%. to give you a contrast, when you had the ronald reagan policies, we saw four consecutive quarters of 8% growth offr high er. this president doesn't have a plan. going to bob's point. this opens the door for governor romney. governor romney is going to have to lay out a plan. there will be a choice as to who has a better plan. i happen to think that the country would agree that center right policies are better than left policies. >> has either side, bob, done a

good job of how they lay this out? i don't know anybody who is comfortable with the 2% number. >> the president does have a whole series of bills that would actually result in job creation. cbo has gone through. analyzed the bill. most of the republican bills david is talking about sitting in the senate, cut taxes for rich people. the least efficient way to cut jobs. when we had the bush tax cuts, we had no net private job creation. it is absurd to blame the president for the bush crash. what happened since then is the creation of 4.3 million jobs. the president has moved the economy. he hasn't moved it as far as he wants. the whole republican strategy is to prevent him from being reelected. if that means an extra 3 million americans pay the price, that is paying the price.

>> that is absurd. >> it is not true. that is what the guy said. david, one of the bills in the senate. name four bills. what are they? >> we are out of time. >> he doesn't know the bills. >> i take offense to you saying we want to put americans out of work. that is not an appropriate political discourse. you should be ashamed. >> i had an inaugural party for barack obama f barack obama four years ago. >> thank you so much. we'll be right back.

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