wolf. teams are sorting through the rubble trying to determine what scott walker meaning for november. appearing this morning, governor walker took on the role offering advice on how mitt romney can come from behind to win the badger state. >> they are hungry for people to say i don't care about the next election, but the next generation. here's what i'm going to do to fix it. the key to be competitive enough to win, i think he has to lay out a clear platform similar to what paul ryan has done. >> forget about madison, sounds like walker is getting ready for a prime time speaking role this summer. i want to go to you from this. you have been on the ground covering this for a while now. let's talk about the broader political imp kagdss. some of the exit polling was interesting. saying that the preference for their candidate is president obama 51% to 44%.

at the same time voters asked about who is best on the economy, president obama wins it 43-38. neither gets 19%. >> rubble is exactly what it is for the labor unions. this is a real wake up call. as far as the numbers for president obama, if he gets outspent in wisconsin, the poll numbers are about as secure as a snow flake. i believe this is a wake up call to the democratic progressive establishment in this country. this is one of the reasons why our team has been on since day one. this is the petri dish and the template. more to come and the democrats have to figure out how to combat it. >> if you look at the break down, walker won men and barrett won women and barrett won liberals. the democrats if they are going to win have to win by much

larger margins. they have to win big. >> that hits the nail on the head. all these data points are throwing tens of millions into a race and skew the balance. the final figures at least two days ago, 45.6 million and this is a post citizens united world where a billionaire owner can throw in money and affect the out come of a race. for labor folks it's demoralizing. not because they lost the election, but the idea that you have shared sacrifices the way they handled the out come of the recession. everyone is going to have to pay into it. that was defeated last night and when i talked to people today, that's what got them upset and the fact that their ideas were rejected. primarily by well-financed outside group campaign. >> they have homework to do.

37% of union households are voting for scott walker. the unions need to explain to their people that it's important to vote for folks who have your best interest at heart. they are voting for a guy who has gone after collective bargaining and destroying public education. the list goes on and on. now he is on tv saying paul ryan is the guy that mitt romney ought to be following. the unions have to wake up. >> there was another election that actually got to this point. in san jose and san diego, they went after the pensions for city workers as a way to balance the budget. if there were a thing going on with taxing the wealthy, people would be more accepting. it does seem for the union folks it's under the side. >> isn't there a bigger picture here? we talked about the e condition economy as the bigger issue. they are at 6.8% unemployment.

they made or break this election last night. a lot of them felt about the unions that the democrats did. at the end of the day, things are going well with the economy. >> the worst job creation in the country. >> they are still sitting better than the national average. ed, to your point, there was an interesting piece of analysis talking about our collective opinion of labor at this point and there a lot of americans who say unions were great for my parents, but i don't understand what they are doing for my generation and the broadervil e villeification to ensure that there is a middle class and the working poor and middle class have a shot in ascending the ranks of society. >> it's a concept of divide and conquer. that's what walker was talking about. this is this is not brain

surgery. you have to use the media and tell people they are the problem. they are getting paid too much and their health care is costing the state too much. pit worker against worker. find a target. the republicans have done a great job of finding a target and going after what is perceived to be a problem now. you are seeing it come home to roost when it comes to the budget. they do not have a budget surplus. they attacked the unions and kicked the can down the road to deal with other budgets. it's a priority list. inside the guts of the unions, they have to educate their people. 37% voted for walker. >> there institutional issues going on. in 83 i think the percentage was about 20% and today it's 11.9.

it's not how you grow them, but how you stop the drop. >> i want to talk about the broader implications for divide in this country. we know from research we had yesterday, we are more divided than ever and the way the sides have been pitted against one another. this is a fairly pessimistic op ed. we are interesting an era that will feature contests like the war of collective bargaining in which speaking legislations is passed by party line votes and they hunker down and try to survive the backlash. there will be no total victory, but there will be gains and losses. >> i don't know about that. scott walker of old cannot go forward. he knows that. he didn't campaign as a union buster. he lost the state senate now and cannot technically do what he did before. anyone in the conservative side

said this is a model of how you govern as a conservative is diluting themselves. any conservative governor who said i can bust up the unions and do anything has to think i could face a recall. then i will have to knock on the koch brothers door. who knows where i will end up. this is a warning sign and the lines have been drawn. it's really noticeable that he did not campaign on his signature legislation. he campaigned on the economy and manufacturing has changed the nature of the rust melt at least. the rebound has changed there. there was a big factor in whether a recall is legitimate and appropriate. is it forcing the system to do something is didn't need to do? there special factors. he campaigned on medicaid and education reform. he campaigned on many things that mitt romney will have a problem with.

if you say let detroit go bank rupt, they are saying i'm the guy for manufacturing jobs. let's not just get out of hand here. this was a great night for scott walker and bad night for labor unions. the coalition has to be bigger than labor unions. they are very important, but if it's down to union households, there is no path for 2012. >> the democrat his a bad week. bad un. numbers and bill clinton himself said. they set expectations very high to win and it was a blow for the democrats. it may be short-lived, but -- >> worth noting about the message. he spoke saying we are no longer political opponents and more unites us than divides us. >> for sounds good. if i am consulting scott walker, you go for the jugular. you have been elected twice in 18 months and you have nothing to lose.

nobody will unseat you. you are talking about a national narrative. even if you don't gain anything more, now is the time to get aggressive. he is talking about not the next election, but generations. walker gets it. he gets the generational shift and a little bit at a time and you look at the big picture. the democrats need to get to the table and figure out how they combat this. you have to ask yourself the question, can democrats trust scott walker? he comes up and said you have to unite this? really? what evidence do we have that he wants to do that? i think he will be more aggressive. >> for the past is prologue. thanks to ed schultz. you can catch ed here every week night. >> gloomy proceedings. voter restrictions and a database of noncitizen voters. we will ask what's the matter

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>> we need to have fair elections. when you vote you want to make sure the others have a right to vote. that's what i care about. if you are a candidate, you want to make sure that the people who vote have a right to vote. i don't want to disenfranchise anybody. we want fair elections. this is not a partisan issue. >> that was florida governor rick scott defending the purging of thousands of suspected noncitizens from the state voting rolls. they informed them that the purge is illegal and given

officials until today. they helped george w. bush secure the election by 537 votes. is florida playing by their own rules? cagney and lacey of rolling stone. that's not fair. eric baits and ari berman who wrote about that for the same magazine. that levelled the playing field with the cagney and lacey reference, but an excellent piece of writing for which you should be happy. i want to read this op ed by leonard pits that ran on sunday. he said the trend lines are clearly against the republican party and rather than than to work the appeal, they chose to narrow the other party's base with dress addressing the problem that does not exist. this is a blatant use of the machine of government with the voter indimtation and

suppression. >> that's what they have done. they saw what barack obama did in 2008 and his coalition of young voters and hispanics and african-americans and we need to depress the turn outs. if you look at all the voting restrictions, that's the common theme. making it harder for those groups of people to vote. >> we have some full screens we can show you in terms of the 2600 noncitizens. it's completely disproportionate. hispanics are 58% and african-americans are 14% and whites 13%. if you go by party, democrats are 40% and independents are 38% and republicans are 20%. what is amazing is that a republican governor has taken this upon him and said i'm going to purge the voter roles and they are saying this is not kosher, but the fact that this can happen especially in the

wake of the election in 2000. it is stunning to a lot of folks who know this was going on. >> purging the roles of people of color and the way that the justice department is able to respond is under the voting rights act powers that were given to crack down on jim crowe and things like that from the 60s. you are going back to the days of discrimination against voters of color. this is happening all over the country. 38 states trying to implement voter intimidation and 11 or 12 have passed them. you are seeing a campaign to make this happen and one that is coordinated by a key group of organizations. >> we know that along with efforts like those in florida, there is voter id laws being implemented and barriers to early registration and cutting back on people's right to vote.

rick scott said convicted felons no longer have the right to vote. this affects democrats and african-americans. 43% of those affected, the 7,000 felons purged are african-american. they make 13 to 14% of the florida population. it is unfair to say the least. >> what look what he did in 2010. one of the first options was to roll back voting rights. that disenfranchised the voters and made it difficult for 1.1 million voters to have the right to vote. after that he went on and made it hard for groups to register voters like the league of women voters and rock the vote and cut back early voting. both affected african-americans and hispanics. african-americans are twice as likely as whites to register through voter registration. early voting, african-americans

were 54% of early voters. on the sunday before the election when african-american churches mobilized. this is obvious what republicans are up to. >> as a convicted felon yourself, i understand. >> he wants the right back. >> what strikes me as notable is they bring up the voter fraud, but they are isolated incidences. you look at the data across the studies and it's limited. they take that and extrapolate and end up having a far bigger reach. >> in your story, you mentioned the doj profile from 2002 to 2007. 86 voter fraud convictions which is.00028%. >> in florida you are more likely to get attacked by a shark than commit voter fraud.

>> the last time i suffered a shark attack. >> this is not a good idea. cutting back and purging roles. this should have an amount of bipartisan support. >> i am reminded of the description of mitt romney's campaign. you listen to rick scott talk about this, here's a guy who cloaks the whole thing as a defensive democracy. something surely everyone can support. it's completely the opposite. bologna to say i am denying people the right to vote to protect the right to vote. it's pious bologna. for me looking at this, we thought naively our generations that civil rights, women's rights, that stuff was done and settled. people voted for a black president and surely the country moved on. it was a backlash against 2008

and the groups that helped the president get elected in 2008 and race is a part of that. we just have to recognize it for what it is and say in spite of an older generation leading this charge, it's pully actually a b. >> a battle against pious bologna. it is a serious subject and a great story. everybody should pick it up. thank you for joining us. >> a place called rolling stone.com. after the break, mitt romney makes a pitch to voters while bill clinton quotes controversy for president obama. we will discuss that next on now. a party?

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>> this obama economy has been hard particularly on hispanic businesses and hispanic americans and hispanic americans in large measure looked to entrepreneurs and innovators to get going. but this is an anti-small business hostile small business environment that it's harder for the businesses to open up their doors and hire more people. >> that was mitt romney quoting latino voters speaking at an office supply company owned by two mex condition american business men. we chose a deeply red state, but it did not come without opposition. >> so lift other people. >> education, not deportation! >> let's get people working again. >> education, not deportation!

>> we were saying during break, it's awkward sometimes when mitt romney tries to play outside his base. let's talk about the gop's effort to court both minorities and women. eric kantor met with mitt romney and saying if you are looking at an electoral strategy, you have to talk to women and minorities in a way they can identify. it appeals to everybody across demographic lines. it's about the classic entrepreneurship in the country. it matters to hispanic americans and of course women. immigration is one of the number one issues for the hispanic community. mid-mitt romney has not touched it. the gop trying to block legislation for fair paychecks. it is a difficult time for mitt romney to do whey termed officially a delicate ballet. >> beyond that it's difficult

for him to be not awkward. you are better off speaking french to latinos. is this too little too late. he hasn't supported the dream act. rubio is quiet on that. he hasn't done much. it is necessary that he reach out to the groups. i don't know. i didn't see latinos in the crowd. i am worried about his ability to gain voters in the latino crowd. the last place he was down 27% to romney's 61. i don't know how much room you have there. >> president obama is 61. it's fairly massive, but he has to have the vail of outreach. >> his pitch to hispanic latino voters is the same pitch he makes to black voters and midget voters. it's always the same. the economy is bad and bad for the interest group. we are coming out of the

recession. it's an effective pitch for those people who vote on the hispanics and it can work. there other ways he can court the vote. delicate relations with the detentions and inability to get the cream act passed. there avenues there to pursue, he will not pursue them because as soon as he supports elements of the dream action, he is criticized by the republican base for flip flopping. >> don't you think there is more band wig or room for him to say in so far as he came out in student rates station low, i support the fair pay act and support fair pay and the legislation that is out from. even on immigration, especially because it had by partisan support. >> here won't weigh in and it's a deaf move in respect, but

opens him up to a new line of criticism. you can get away with equal pay without saying i backed that specific bill itself. unless he steps further down the road with respect to immigration legislation, he will not get credit. >> speaking of awkward, i have to talk about former president clinton, the sound -- one of the clinton sound bytes played around the world coming out in support of extending the bush era tax cuts. he said i don't have a problem extending it now. saying on extending the bush tax cuts as president clinton said many times before, he supported extending all of the cuts as part of the agreement and does not building the cuts for the wealthiest americans should be extended again. unsurprisingly, republicans have made hay from this statement. let's hear what the speaker of the house said and mitch mcconnell said.

>> extending all of the current tax rates for at least a year is really important if we are going to help job creators gain more confidence and put americans back to work. even bill clinton came out before he was against it. >> bill clinton's remarks and larry summers's remarks, the economy needs the certainty of the extension for at least a year. >> setting aside the policy discussion, the psychologist of bill clinton, saying he's gone off script and gone crazy, that's the question. in some respects he is an effective surrogate. you have moments like this and moments he earlier in the week. when he does go off script, it's damaging to the president's policy positions. >> he's an effective surrogate for bill clinton. this is al gore's world. you have someone who is a supremely talented campaigner

and a great mind for democrats and who believes, he doesn't make a pretense of hiding it, he's a better politician and campaigner than anyone out there. he second-guesses in public and private and that lack of discipline was evident through his wife's campaign. he would muse openly about her campaign was not on board with either. that's who he is. what he brings to the table, he also takes away. i think there is wonderful, terrible hypocrisy from the republican side as well. in that sound byte, and it's only about 30 seconds, they said we need certain for a year. at least a year. that's not certainty. this is a ruse to get you to certainty or it's what's going on in washington which is an acceptance that it's going to be hard to write this complicated

tax package in the lame duck. woo are going to have to kick it down for six months and besides the economy is not so good. that bigger debate is getting pushed along by clinton and obama. it will get decided in a closed room without the cigars by six men. >> the substance, they don't agree with that. he said don't permanently extend because that will be the big mistake. you can extend below 250,000 and more. >> initially he said i don't have a problem with extending it now. >> he said i am against permanently extending the high end rates. >> that was the second half of the statement. initially he said this is interesting. this is who bill clinton is. barack obama has been criticized a lot by those who elected him and hoped he would be more aggressive going after wall

street and financial wrong-doing. what you see here is the daylight between him and bill clinton. bill clinton defending private equity and the bush tax cuts. that is who bill clinton is. he was the candidate of wall street and gave us larry summers and bob ruben and planted the seats that imploded the economy. this is not out of character for him. this is core to him. he continues to be a big fund-raiser for his own charities. who gives to the charities? major wealthy americans and corporations. he is in a way speaking to that crowd and defending their right to do what they do. >> she doing what the american people want. he is reaching across the aisle and obama could learn a lesson or two from clinton. that is the biggest harm. he is making obama look small. >> he is you should cutting and

the comments on bain. >> he was right. >> regardless of whether you think he is right or wrong, one of the most powerful voices in american politics is saying no, he has a sterling business reputation and those are good qualifiers. that said, get on the same page. let's not talk about cigars. we have to move on. usa contestants in the mix. usa contestants in the mix. that is up next. we're here at walmart with the burtons,

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children and a lot of times they don't have time to watch tv to see that i'm second lady. >> like husband, like wife. that was miss vice president jill biden. her students are not the only ones who don't know basic facts about our country's leadership. andy cohen asked 11 miss usa contestants who is the vice president of the united states? >> oh, god. >> the current vice president of the united states is joe biden which is funny because he's from good old delaware. >> biden. >> biden. >> i don't know anything about politics. i don't know. >> joe biden. >> joe biden. >> this is bad. >> i don't know. i'm blanking.

>> oh, my gosh. i'm drawing a blank. >> joe biden. >> world peace. >> that just happened. how do you -- how can you try to be miss usa if you don't know the vice president? >> i think donald trump trained them. he told them to say that. they are representing their state. we are not talking about high school or people that just are not as well educated. we are talking about women that won a big race in their own state. what does that say about where our country was? >> i'm glad that delaware knew. >> please don't lose this one. >> they are not voting off the brains. beauty is what it's all about. >> when you come to the shores, you are now one of us. does that bring shame on the house of wolf? >> i remember jay leno taking a

picture after everything that happened on the streets of l.a. the responses are hilarious. i love andy cohen. he found a new way to be jay leno. sad, but true. lots of people who don't watch the show or msnbc. they should. they require not just a beauty contest. >> we encourage all people to watch your show and we will find out the answers. whoa the vice president of the united states is. they will talk life lessons and the future of journalism. [ male announcer ] what's in your energy drink?

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plans of stopping any time soon. in his new books, he writes about his return to his roots and joining the panel now is dan rather, author of rather outspoken. my life in the news. what a life it is. i want to begin with an excerpt given the panel we have. you write today our free press and with it the idea of an informed electorate is in peril. the consent affected every aspect of american life. this includes the gathering and dissemination of news. the networks are part of an even larger conglomerate. we reached the point where six or fewer control 80% or more of the distribution of news. i wanted to get your thoughts about the internet and the fact that the news cycle is perhaps a beast that needs feeding in a

way that has never before in history. what you make of that having lived through that and now participated in that. >> we put it in the era as we moved in the late 1950s and early 60s out of the radio era. i'm bullish on the internet overall for information and education and news. the problem right now is with very few exceptions, no one figured out the business model where you can make enough money for the investigative reporting and the international reporting. the fact that is may be going the way of the dinosaur, there was a story that must have been a couple months ago talking about death row infate who have been exonerated, a large part and a driving force in the exoneration machine were investigative reporters who

would take up the cases and spend months if not years researching them and that's not happening at the local level because newspapers have cut the staff. >> the losers are the citizens of the country. what's happening in the banking business is happening in the television business and it does make a difference if you believe as i do and most americans do. a free and empty press is the red beating heart of democracy. this happens up and down the line with legislatures that by and large are corrupt to the core. there a few exceptions. the number of watch dogs available to bark has shrunk tremendously and every legislature is not covered even as recently as five or 10 t years ago. all throughout the society, county governments and city governments and the watch dogs are not there. if they are not there, they

won't get the information about what's really going on. >> what are is incumbent upon, a fair share of great investigative journalisms. demand falls on the shoulders of the very few. >> what's interesting that we are getting less and less investigative reporting and how hungry the public is for it. the model is not broken because people don't want it. it's broken for all kinds of other reasons. when we published long, long stories which you wouldn't think people are told would sustain their interest, people eat it up. the biggest stories are the longlon longer stories that go into detail and it takes apart in a way people can understand it. we have growing gulf between the demand and the ability to deliver it. dan really touches on that. there is no business model that came up to be able to do that. one of the things that may

happen we are seeing with the new republic, the internet may save long form journalism through money. some of these internet moguls will be in a position to do the kind of investing that other rich people and corporations did in the past. a lot of the print dynasties were not founded on print money and daddy made his money in mining. the money has to come from somewhere to make this happen. the demand is there. >> the pendulum is swinging back being an industry necessity. in the internet age, the first is to get up fast. you have so many out leads within seconds of each other to get that published. the benefit of doing it is starting to diminish. people try to distinguish their sites by telling good stories.

we are at the place where we want to tell good stories. the series on wounded veterans was one where we say take six or seven months and do it right. i don't know if you heard, we won a pulitzer. >> they very much deserved it. >> the economic model is changing as we speak. you have to start distinguishing yourself not by speed, but the ability to draw readers in. >> the owners have have a sense of news as a public service and not just as a public service. mark cuban who owns hd net and i don't have to kiss you up to anybody anyone. >> never ever again. >> i give you total complete editorial and control and go do what investigative reporters do. he does that and partly out of a

sense to give back. they had the same sense of public service. >> as someone has cart blanch to do whatever i want to do, i am only kind of looking at that. at any rate, it is a great book and a great life story. we encourage everybody to pick it up. the book is rather outspoken. my in the news. thank you for joining us on the set. thanks for coming. coming up, paul ryan does his best don draper. next in what now. an accident doesn't have to slow you down. with better car replacement

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welcome back. time for what now? paul ryan headlined a mad men-themed gala hosted by the

competitive enterprise institute. a free market think tank. which character do you think paul ryan most identifies with? >> he associates with the word mad. why do a thing like this. why have costumes. i don't know if i realized it's undignified or sad. the comparison will never step up and maybe if you are a bobbiyists and think of something glamorous the way you make and give money. they are just giving money. they will write the checks anyway. >> you are clearly not a fan of don draper. >> i am, i just don't want to watch it. >> i prefer to drink the martinas. mrs. obama got laughs last night doing a gardening-themed top ten list on the late show with david letterman last night. >> number five. >> later this year the supreme court will finally rule on

tomato versus tomato. >> number two. >> the tool shed contapes shovels and weed wacker one. >> weed wacker one. early yesterday the first lady offered praise for new york city mayor's ban on soda drinks and doesn't believe a federal ban is necessary. do you believe a federal ban is necessary? >> i wouldn't have a problem with a federal ban. what the mayor has done is reset the default dosage for a harmful substance that cost the public covers millions to treat in terms of diabetes and obesity. regulating in terms. of the dosage seems to be a good way to go and sparked a public discussion and public awareness to get people thinking about what they are taking into their bodies and corporations are living up.

not like people are saying give me a 150-ounce coke, but when you say large, the size is obscene. it's the size of your head. >> what is the cost of limiting our freedom. what is next? a candy bar some. >> a cigarette? >> it's public health. >> for comes down to personal responsibility and education. >> people can getted much soda as they want. nobody is limiting you to gorge themselves, but it's the default dosage. what should be the starting point that people get when they order that is reasonable. >> i top the drink it all at once. >> sam doesn't drink a coke unless it's in a bucket. we will have to leave it there. thanks again to eric, abby, sam, and richard. see you back tomorrow at noon eastern when sam stein comes back with a bigger gulp. case hunt and karl cannon.

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