doing during the show tonight. "the ed show" is-up next. good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington. let me start tonight with this. what's the difference between a democrat and a republican? when it comes to economics, what do democrats want done? what do republicans want done? what wants to keep a hand on wall street and who wants to let the big boys up there do whatever they want? who wants a fair tax system in this country? who wants to top to get all the tax breaks so they will invest more?

who wants a health care system for this country and who does not? let's start with the best fight in america right now. it's up in massachusetts between democrat elizabeth warren and republican scott brown for the united states senate. miss warren, thank you so much for joining us from boston. boston. i know how to say it, boston, massachusetts. >> you do. >> let me ask you this. the most fundamental question -- people are voting right now, this fall in massachusetts. they are listening to you now. what's the fundamental difference between a democrat and a republican in 2012? >> i think it is about whose side you stand on. i have been out there fighting for working families on credit cards, mortgages, payday loans, standing up to wall street saying there have to be some rules. and working families get that. they understand that right now the republicans are not working for them. they are working the other side of the stat. they're working for wall street, big multinational companies. they're trying to figure out how those who already made it can hang on to even more of it. in other words, i think they have -- the game is rigged. >> okay. here is the problem i have with that. i agree with you sentimentally but here is the numbers problem i have.

every poll we see between you and scott brown is about even. you know that. if it's only 1% against you, but only the rich. the top 1%. the people with the real money in this country against you, how come they got about 40-some percent just like you do? where is the other 40-some percent coming from? people with the money say they're voting for the other guy. why? >> well, right now we have five months to go in this race. and so what i think this is about is about getting out there and talking to people all across the commonwealth of massachusetts. every time i do that, i talk to people who get it. right here in their hearts. i talk to people looking out and saying i don't see how i'm ever going to retire. i talk to people who have kids who went off to college and did all the right things and now have a mountain of debt. and can't get a job. i talked to seniors who say, you know, i saved, we saved all of our lives. and then that financial crisis just turned our pension upside

down. they get that the game is rigged. they are ready for somebody to get out there and talk. >> why are the polls even -- between and you scott brown a guy who drives around in a truck, good p.r., wears a barn coat like john kerry, very clever. acts like he's not one of the wine and cheese leaguers. fine. but he votes with the republicans, wall street guys. you vote and got a record as being a person who cares about policing wall street. you should be miles ahead of him. what's going on out there? are people voting for him who like his style over his politics? what's going on? >> let's be clear. the election is not for another five months. and this is what we are going to talk about over the five months just last week, "the boston globe" came out with a story about how scott brown is running these advertisements saying he was tough on wall street. and then it turns out he was doing secret negotiations to weaken all the rules over wall

street. that's what we are going to talk about, person by person by person across the commonwealth. it's just getting it out there. >> let me help you on this. i as a journalist can help you. we have a new figure that came out. this shows the american people -- people in massachusetts, how they get screwed under the w. administration. look at this number. politico reported how much wall street turned against obama. i want to put that number up for a minute. here is what i'm interested in. $126,000 was the amount america -- average american family was able to accrue over a lifetime. that's how much money they had in their house, in the bank. that's down by 2010, 2010. basically a year after obama is into office, it was down to $77,000. dramatic decline in the prospects. the kitty people have. kitty they used to buy conduits so they can retire. why that happened why did people get screwed that way, average family? >> this you lay right at the feet of what the financial industry did on wall street.

they blew up a big bubble and took on the risk and sucked out the profits. then when the whole thing came crashing down, it was american families right there. who took it right on the chin. then that same group on wall street fought against any kind of financial reform. when they lost that barely by a hair, they started a guerrilla war to make sure no serious rules would be put in place. this is a fight right now for the heart and soul of our countries. >> jpmorgan, i don't think much about them. i have to think about big financial houses when they screw up. they lost $2 billion of their investors' money in one deal recently. how does that happen? >> it happened because it is still business as usual. jpmorgan thinks that they ought to be able to run their own show. you know, from the great depression to the 1980s we had serious regulations in place. then along came the folks who sold deregulation. the jpmorgans of the world say hey, this is great.

we will load up on risk and suck out those profits. that's what they did. and when it nearly brought this entire economy down, when the american people, american taxpayers ended up bailing them out, did it fundamentally change anything? jamie dimon testified today and basically kept saying no, no, no, we will take care of this ourselves. we don't need any additional regulation. >> let's go to the money. follow the money. politico -- look at this. reported today, just how much wall street has turned against president obama. and the democrats. look at these numbers. anybody can understand this. so far people from the financial sector have given the romney campaign and super pac supporting him $37 million. that's $37 million so far this campaign. look what they have done for obama. $5 million. under $5 million. why are they bank robbing -- there is a good se why are they bank rolling y are opponent? what are they getting from these

guys? what's the deal on the other side? >> the video clips tell it all with romney. he has said on his first day if he gets elected, he will repeal all of the financial reforms. he saying guys, you can do whatever you want. my opponent, scott brown, named one of wall street's favorite senators, has been out there negotiating in secret to try to weaken the rules, to try to del stay rules to try to create loopholes in the rules. in other words, those guys have made it clear to wall street. if you will elect them they promise they will stand with wall street all the way and wall street's willing to make an investment in them. they understand. there will be a great return on wall street's money if they can get scott brown and mitt romney elected. >> let's talk turkey. economic materials, i can't argue the single thing you said, i understand it completely are you are the populist, democrat. he is the republican. he is there with the elite.

he is getting money from them and you are not. the president is not. romney is not -- romney is i should say. here's what i think is something you've got to cut through between now and november. there are a lot of regular people out there, red sox fans, regular people, who have been democrats in the past. irish italian, armenian, jewish. whatever. lot of people. voted for the kennedys all those years. lately they have a sense some of the democrats too wine and cheesy, ivy league, better than us. some of that came through with the caucus and the last candidate for the senate against this guy blown. they don't like the looks of it. talk to those people. why should they vote for you even if that stuff bothers them? cultural wine and cheese elitism that carr likes to bash into all the time up there. go ahead. >> you know, i think -- i think that this election is going to be from the heart. i'm out there talking to people every day and they fundamentally do get it. they understand that they are

getting the short end of the stick. and what's going on in washington is a game that's rigged against them. it is a game that pays off for the folks that can hire all of the lobbyists and have all the money. people are living this one right on the ground. day by day by day. they understand that they don't have anybody who is arguing for them when they have scott brown as their senator. that's what i'm doing. i'm just getting out there and talking with folks and they know i'm a fighter. they watched me fight. they watched me stand up. i think that's what this election is going to be about. it is not going to be about numbers. it is really going to be about the heart. >> i agree with you if you win. but there is that hesitation that i would like you to address. what's this elitism problem democrats picked up lately? >> i don't know about democrats generally. >> why not? why don't you know? >> because what i know about is myself. my dad sold paintings and

fencing. he was a maintenance man. my mom worked the telephones at sears. my three brothers all served in the military. you know, i worked all my life. i started babysitting at nine and waiting tables at 13. i have been in public schools. public universities. i managed to go to law school with one baby and another one on the way. i understand what it is like to get out there and work hard and play by the rules. the difference is i grew up in an america that was still expanding opportunity. and that's what i really care about. i worry that what's happened in washington means that we are shrinking opportunities now. we are not making those investments in ourselves and our kids and in our kids' kids. this election is really going to be about what kind of a people we are and what kind of a country we are going to build. the republicans want to make it i got mine, the rest of you are on your own. i think our job is to say we can do better than that. we can make investments together

and we can build a future for ourselves and for our kids. that's why i'm in this race. i'm not a politician. i'm in this race because i believe our country is on the line here. >> great. thank you so much for coming on. i agree with everything you said. i think you've got to take a couple whacks at the cultural elite every once in awhile. i think you know what you are doing in this particular race. good luck about that very well-turned out republican opponent of yours. thank you so much. coming up, elizabeth warren, democratic candidate for senator for massachusetts. coming up the brilliant buzz bizner joins us with the developments on the horrible sandusky courtroom scene. we are going to get all the details. why revered institutions like penn state care more about protecting their reputations? is it time for the obama team to sharpen their arguments, teach us the stakes? yes, raise their game? andy cohen is coming here to play "hardball" on pop culture and president obama.

andy cohen from bravo. let me finish tonight with the sandusky trial. it's about time we know what these guys are doing to our kids. this is "hardball," the place for politics. it's time to get going. to get your feet moving to the beat.

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three more alleged victims came forward and testified in trial of former penn state coach

jerry sandusky. who says he's innocent of more than 50 criminal counts of sexual abuse he faces. let me warn our audience now that the content of the case is graphic and sexual in nature, as you know. perhaps not suitable for young viewers. one of the alleged victims known as victim ten told the jury no one -- on one instance rather after the coach performed oral sex on him, sandusky threatened the boy telling him he wouldn't see his family ever again if the boy spoke of what happened. the alleged victim said sandusky later apologized and told him that he loved him. buzz is the bestselling brilliant author of "father's day." and legal analyst. kendall, tell me about this case legally. i just wonder why anybody would take the defense case here. what possible defense, without judging -- i guess i am judge thing case. there is so much evidence, so much sound it seems, testimony, in its -- detail, you wonder how you knock down all these details. >> it's an overwhelming case.

you're exactly right. the ten different victims in a sense being presented through the testimony. that means the defense has to come up with reasonable doubt ten different times. so far, it doesn't seem they barely even dented some of the prosecution's evidence. why is this case even going to trial? i suspect that there was simply no plea deal offered that would have allowed jerry sandusky to walk out of jail alive. the prosecution thinks this is horrible. the victims have finally dealing with it and want to see justice. and so this is a case the defense simply has no choice. >> if they asked -- could they have gone and said look, we know this guy is going away forever. he's probably factually guilty. but we are going to try to keep him from leavenworth or maximum security place where he will be killed. wecht we79 we want him to go to a place where they play tennis and lift weights like lewisburg. could they have cut a deal like

that? >> probably not. it is very difficult to get prosecutors to figure out where an inmate might be located. and remember, we have a presumption of innocence, as hard as it is to talk about that so far. the defense is going to present a very different portrait of jerry sandusky. he's going to be coming across as a guy with lots and lots of good deeds, lot of people and testimonials that may seem more positive and so the jury may at the end of the day look at two different portraits of a man that couldn't be more dramatically different. hard to see an acquittal here. once in a while you get a single hold-out juror and mistrial. that's the best the defense can hope for. >> i see what you mean. let me go to my friend buzz. good luck with that book. that's an incredible -- your book and -- about your son in and that incredible road trip where you really work like hell as a father to connect to a son who has problems and, boy, did you do a masterful job of

presenting that story. let me ask you about this. far different story of adult and children. what does this tell you as an american watching this case? i'm catholic. i have been through that watching our church go through this. philadelphia now we have that case with the monsignor. we are only now learning these details. we had to issue warning to our viewers because after all these years saying something beyond fondle or molest or something that sounds bad but not horrendous the way we are now learning what really happened here. what was allege today have happened. >> sandusky's conduct, obviously, we are hearing the testimony now. it is despicable. he was a sexual predator. sexual animal. he will go away for life. amendola the defense attorney isn't even bothering to cross examine. this goes to the heart of football and sports and penn state. i refuse to believe that mike mcqueary was the only person who saw jerry sandusky use those

penn state locker rooms to shower with these kids. these are -- you know, these are only ten victims. we don't know how many more are out there. i refuse to believe that coaches didn't put it together. he's taking a kid to the outback bowl. he's taking a kid to a bowl game. they knew, they knew something was going on. but it's the culture of winning at all costs. and it is killing us as a society. we have gone sports mad and penn state is the worst example of it. >> looks like -- let me go back to kendall. you'd say the defense will point out that he's done good things. well, what does that mean? i mean, crimes are crimes. they stand by themselves. you can be ever lary -- exemplary in everything you do. if you kill somebody or commit a horrendous crime, what relevance sit that you don't miss mass or that you cut your lawn every five days? what relevance is that? >> it has no relevance if in fact, he committed the crimes he is accused of. the defense has to come up with

something. it is almost impossible to convince a jury that every single one of these accusers that's coming forward convincingly and heartbreaking dramatic detail is a liar who is doing it for some speculative theory of trying to get money somehow. they have to do something. the best they can do is humanize someone who is being demonized every single minute in that courtroom. >> what's the story they are going to put his wife on? it seems to me they put the wife on, some sort of fallback, as a smart move. she was upstairs while he was down in the basement doing this stuff allegedly with these 12-year-olds and 11-year-olds. how is she going to be a character witness with she looks like she was part of the scenery here? >> well, there's no easy moves for the defense. if they can put her on she can be a surrogate that can tell the jerry sandusky story without having to put him on. and in a sense she can be the ultimate character witness,

eyewitness to 46 years of his life. if somebody on the jury connects with her, finds her more sympathetic than pathetic, maybe thinks she is a good woman and capable of living with a man who is capable of such despicable things, maybe there is a reasonable doubt with one of the jurors and maybe there's a mistrial which is the best, i think, sandusky's lawyers can hope for. >> the thing is, buzz and kendall, i'm in the business of watching wife after wife come on television, whether it is in louisiana or california or the governor of new jersey, mcgreevey, the governor of new york's wife, coming on and standing next to their man, buzz, this is the new story of our life. the wife that stands by the man as if they were pat nixon standing up there putting up with the what their husband is 100% responsible for. yet, being loyal. >> you know, i -- if she takes the stand she takes the stand. apparently there's testimony that she walked into a hotel

room where he was committing a sexual act with one of victims. so she's going to be asked about that. >> she will have to -- you said that. that's for sure. >> it is going to be -- you know, she can try to be a surrogate for him. she'll have no shot. the one thing i want -- i want this to stay and be a stain on penn state and lesson to all colleges. >> what will it do over the next five years if penn state -- if this goes down and ends up being a series of convictions on this guy that really are proven? >> well, i think what it does, it is a -- more than a cautionary tale. it is a horrible tale. penn state will not be able to forget it. they will have the -- report that's going to come out. and you know, the rumors that goes all the way up to spanier and that sandusky should have been treated humanely. what about the victims? that's the problem. they all turn their backs. they care more about sandusky than the victims. >> let me go back to kendall.

here's my suspicion here. every time somebody said did you see what happened in the shower? did you hear what mcqueary said he saw happen in the shower? did you hear what mcqueary told somebody out -- finally gets to joe paterno. i have to admit i love joe paterno. i'm going to be defending here. but i don't know. what got to paterno? did he hear fondle, molest, something vague, something he shouldn't have been doing, did he get the full graphic treatment that we've been getting as to what was going on in that shower, the locker rooms, and all this spate of misbehavior alleged here. did he know the words? was he given the picture? >> well, we are never going to know. i want to think like you that he didn't have the specificity that would have caused most anyone else to act for decisively. one thing i know when the jurors walk out of this courtroom, whatever they have to say about jerry sandusky, i think we have a good idea what that's going to be. they're going to have questions

about why didn't others at penn state with everything they are going to see, how could others have not known? how come penn state didn't do things long ago? >> why did the non-sick people cover up for the sick guy? have you been able to find out whether it went all the way in graphic detail to paterno? >> the only thing i have read is the grand jury testimony of mcqueary and he went into fairly graphic detail and joe's response was -- i don't understand these things. i don't know what you are talking about. frankly, i don't believe. he is a good catholic. the catholic church scandal was going on. i just -- i feel, god rest his soul, but when he should have done the most he did the least. >> boy, that's what's true of so many monsignors and bishops. they looked out for their own and felt sympathy for the predator instead of the prey. it took us a long time to figure this out. thank you. it is great -- again, your book, "father's day." what a great book to get for

father's day. i want to push it again. it is worthy of a story for any father out there. especially you. kendall coffey, thank you for your expertise. up next, mitt romney's regular guy act may be getting a little more difficult to pull off as it should be. stick around for the side show where he's found his way in. this is "hardball" the place for politics. [ male announcer ] if a phone rings at your car insurance company and no one's around to hear it, does it make a sound? [ meows ] or if a tree falls on your car and no one's around to answer your call, do you make a sound? the answer is probably "yes" [ growling ] and "like a howler monkey."

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back to "hardball." time for the side show. mitt romney likes to rave about how he took charge of the 2002 winter olympics in utah. there is a more current olympic story he may not be too eager to flaunt. ann romney's horse is in the running to head to the london olympics after making the top three in a qualifying event.

stephen colbert weighed in last night. >> the romneys' horse may go to the olympics! though one would imagine it's going to be a long drive to london on top of their station wagon. this is exactly what mitt needs. he's had a little trouble relating to joe six pack. >> met a guy yesterday, seven feet tall. i figured he had to be in sports but he wasn't in sport. >> the tall man was not in sport. neither bounce ball nor oblong leather zeppelin toss. now mitt is just your average blue collar fan of dressage. of course that word may sound hifelutin but it also goes by the street name horse ballet. jim, show us refalka at sport. number one! number one! >> having a horse headed to the

olympics might not be campaign gold for romney. next who is the real joe walsh? is it this guy? the illinois republican congressman who blamed this outburst at constituents in november on a caffeine overload. >> all the marketplace does is respond to what the government does! the government sets the rules! don't blame banks and don't blame the marketplace for the mess we are in right now! i am tired of hearing that crap! you know what, it pisses me off! too many people don't listen. you wanted more reform, more regulation. that's what you got. is that what you want? do you want dodd frank? is that what you want? i need more coffee. >> well if you ask walsh's challenger, it is the other joe walsh we should listen to. set to perform at a fund-raiser for duckworth this summer and quote, i'm the real joe walsh

and proud to back a real american success story, tammy duckworth. as for the other joe walsh, my question. are you sure you're irish? finally, some people can't get enough of this. call me maybe mash-up. it went viral last week featuring president obama. ♪ hey ♪ i just met you ♪ and this is crazy ♪ but here's my number ♪ so call me maybe >> you think that was the closest we'd get to a political figure belting out that song? it was until cbs posted this video of what happened this morning during a commercial break. ♪ i just met you ♪ and this is crazy ♪ but here's my number ♪ so call me maybe it was a lock. it was lock. >> i didn't stop it. >> i think charlie had the best line there. i didn't stop it. anyway, maybe he didn't know any more lyrics. up next, does the obama campaign need to sharpen their

arguments and teach us the stakes and raise their game? as sarah palin would say, you betcha. that's ahead. you're watching "hardball" the place for politics. hey, there.

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i love listening to these guys give us lectures about debt and deficits. i inherited a trillion dollar deficit. it is like somebody goes to a restaurant, orders a big steak dinner, martini, all that stuff, and then just as you are sitting down and they leave. and accuse you of running up the tab! >> well, at a fund raiser out in baltimore, president obama used yet another analogy to describe the economic mess republicans left him and their refusal to accept blame. but is this the way to win? some democrats are dubious and are going public with their doubts. howard fineman is an nbc political analyst. his new article on karl rove appears in the premiere issue of

the ipad only news magazine called "huffington." i had to say it right. it's a great magazine. it is online. maggie is senior writer for politico. you don't have an ipad magazine yet. just kidding. >> they don't need one. >> not yet. >> howard, you are a key to the premiere issue. state stay to play. producers and i spent about an hour today, lot of time just trying to figure out if we were obama, where would they be going right now? what are they doing? what are they confronting? we are in a period of drop in terms of we know the polling is going to go down for this guy the next couple of months. we can see it heading there. with nothing good in sight, what's he doing about that that you can tell? howard? >> well, let me say that first of all, he has a situation where karl rove who i did write about in that issue of the ipad magazine, karl rove's attacking. new ads now out from american crossroads going after democratic cincinnati candidates

and talking about the dismal state of the economy, talking about jobs, talking about taxes are too high, talking about government is too big. barack obama and the president and his allies are in the situation here where they have to say look, we are trying to help the middle class, number one. number two, we have to save the things that are good about the role of government from being taken over by and dismantled by the regime that mitt romney would bring back in. so the problem is they have anna defensive message, chris, even if they look forward to the future. what he wants to do in a second term, to mostly to protect the existing structure of government. to save social security. to save medicare. to save education loans for students. the kinds of programs that the democrats have lived on for two generations. barack obama even though he was a change agent when he first got elected is essentially in a defensive posture that is hard

for him to do. >> let's take a look at democratic strategist james carville. the obama campaign's message is he's a smart guy. he says the obama campaign's message off track. >> i'm worried that when the white house -- the campaign talks about the being made -- progress being made. people take that as a signal things are fine. >> new strategy member from carr vil's group. emphasizes people aren't buying it. the obama message right now. it reads in part -- they know we are in a new normal. new normal. where life is a struggle. and convincing them things are good enough for those who have found jobs is a fool's errand. your turn now, maggie. it seems to me -- none of us anr or theme director for obama. but it is a quizzical question. what do you do when you are basically confounded by bad economic news and people are screaming, they're ready to pounce on you saying are you

better off than you were four years ago hoping that will hurt the president. >> i think that howard is right. i think that this is why we are actually not going to see a dramatic shift in the way the obama campaign is doing things. first of all, then don't think they are doing anything wrong. they are very happy with the message. they don't appreciate this free advice. there are a lot of democrats and not just people who are associated with the clinton world or clinton himself who articulated the same message james carville did who think this does need to be about policy. that the president does need to be talking about preserving middle class, vision for the future. i think that they feel that they are articulating that well enough and they think that mitt romney is doing worse. he is about to go into summer months which have never been really kind for president obama. there is not much indication

this summer will be much better. but they think that there are going to be enough, you know, outside events and things that are going to intervene that they don't need to sell their message differently than they are. >> an argument can be made summer is not the time to bring out a product. lot of people are on vacation. here is my question which we got to an hour of discussion with the producers today. if you're obama and you have to sell to the people that things are going to get better the next four years. better than this four. you still have your track record. you have to say look how much i have done, i'm going to -- more next four years. does he have enough wind at his back in terms of what he accomplished in terms of the economy? i have street cred. i'm going to be even better next time. >> i think he had more than he has had -- few months ago than he has right now, chris. part of the problem is the numbers have turned bad in the

last month or two. and fatefully perhaps for him a lot of analysts think that the second quarter of the presidential year is the one that most affects the standing of an incumbent president. real income growth and in april, may, and june, the quarter we are in, numbers are not good. it hurts his ability to make that sale and i think james carville is right about that. i went over their questions that produced that survey that they discussed. and they are -- the most popular messages, according to their own survey, are the ones that obama is out there trying to get across. namely, that they want to protect -- that he, obama, and the democrats want to protect middle class values and programs. and the republicans kind of want to text complete in america and dismantle social security, medicare, student loans, you name it. that's the theme of comparative theme the obama campaign is going to pursue and there -- as

maggie says, they are sticking with it. also, what new gigantic program is he going to propose? we have to be very careful to tread on your credibility there if you are going to propose some new thing. and the new yorker did a whole piece about what obama might want to do in a second term. obama was talking about -- or his aides were talking about climate change and nuclear proliferation. forget it. the big argument at the end of this year and the new congress is going to be about taxes and to pay for government programs. that's where we are at. >> okay. thank you, howard. what a good show it is. the name of the magazine is "huffington." >> very clever name. very clever. >> well, stay with the basics. stay with what works. maggie, thank you. more time for you next time when howard doesn't have a new product to explain. >> sorry. >> i know. he's earned it to do it. up next, bravo's andy cohen joins us. he will talk politics, pop culture, and president obama. andy cohen for those fans of his, he's coming right here in a minute. the place for politics. [ female announcer ] introducing a match made in skin heaven. new venus & olay. olay moisture bars help lock in moisture... while five blades get venus close. revealing smooth and goddess skin begins. only from venus & olay. woman: what do you mean, homeowners insurance

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democrats picked up a win last night in a house seat vacated by gabby giffords. democrat ron barber, former giffords aide beat jesse kelly who narrowly lost to giffords herself in 2010. giffords' campaign with was with him last might at his victory celebration. barber will serve out the rest of her term and both he and kelly, republican, promised to run against this november. we'll be right back.

as i said, we are back and in the 24-hour news cycle politics and pop culture often cross paths. no one knows pop culture better than bravo network's andy cohen. he is host of the late night talk show "watch what happens live." he is the author, however, of a new book "most talkative: stories from the front lines of pop culture." some of his biggest fans are producers of "hardball." >> nice. >> yes, sir. by the way, both in new york where you are and down here in washington, everybody seems to

absolutely love you. >> wow. >> let me start with some -- you spent ten years as producer for cbs interviewing some of the smartest people in the world. two weeks ago, you asked the miss usa contestants to name the name of something really obscure -- the vice president of the united states. let's watch the answers. >> oh, god. >> that's awesome. >> what's his name? this is so bad. i just read an article that talked about him. >> joe biden. >> biden. >> biden. >> i don't know anything about politics. so i don't know. >> joe biden. >> joe biden. >> this is bad. >> i don't know. blank. >> joe biden. >> world peace. >> you know what i was thinking? >> at least they weren't running for vice president. >> no, other thing i don't know about. don't ask me about hockey, for example. a lot of things i don't know about. a lot of things happened. but the vice president of the united states -- >> that was pretty shocking. >> i mean, i heard the name

nixon growing up. i didn't know what he was, but i knew the name. >> that was shocking to me. and the other crazy thing was that on the miss usa pageant, which i hosted, one of the questions to one of the five finalists was that many of you don't know the name of the vice president and it was asked of i think miss nevada. he said, how do you explain this? she said, oh, it was late at night when we were asked the question. we were tired. i mean, it was such a punt. so, yeah, no, it was not the finest moment of those contestants. by the way, miss rhode island who won actually i think has a good head on her shoulders. >> i judged the miss america contest a couple years ago. i found a variety of ability. some people were really smart, i must say, in the crowd. let me ask you about the glitz in this election. you have a fund-raiser coming up here now, and it's tomorrow night. all right? let's look at who talks an that.

>> i'm anna winter. i'm so lucky in my work i'm able to meet the most incredible women in the world, women like sarah jessica parker and michelle obama. these who wonderful women and i are hosting a dinner along with the president in new york city to benefit the obama campaign on june the 14th. it will be a fantastic honor. we're saving the two best seats in the house for you. you have to enter to win. >> president obama's critics pounced on this from "vogue" magazine. "devil wears prada" was a heck of a movie. liz warren is impressive, great warrior against the abuses of wall street, has a real tough campaign up there. i said to her, doesn't the democratic party have a problem with the wine and cheese elite culture image that doesn't square with the remember person's economics. i'm asking you that question. >> i hadn't seen that ad. i saw one that sarah jessica did that i thought was great.

she's a very approachable person and very likable. when i saw that ad, i thought, oh, that's great. i understand how this ad that you just showed might seem a little, you know, a little nonaccessible. but i think that the idea that they're allowing two people to go to this dinner tomorrow night that just by, you know, joining a raffle or whatever, giving any amount of money is really cool. i think that was the message that they were trying to convey. >> okay. >> i had only seen the one sarah jessica taped. i'm going to that dinner, by the way. i'll let you know how it is. >> good. you can be my reporter. here's my tough question. who's the vice president question? why would a gay man join the log cabin? i've spoken to them, i like the guys in it. i don't understand why a gay person today would be a republican, would raise money for that party because they've been so clear that they think there's money to be made, votes

to be made, in basically gay bashing. >> right. it's something i've ever understood. it's a topic i'm fascinated in. i was an executive producer of a documentary years ago called "gay republicans." because i'm interested in why someone would support a party that doesn't necessarily support equality for that person. and i can only assume it's about the wallet. it's about i'm a fiscal republican, but for me, you know what, it's funny, i'm not political on my show at all, but gay issues are something that not only are of a great concern to me, but just as a human being, i feel so obviously passionate about being treated equally to everyone else that it is the one thing that i really speak up about on my show. >> fair enough. >> so i can't -- i can't understand, chris, the idea of saying, oh, well, they're going to put more money in my bank account, who cares if they don't believe i can't get married. i don't get it. >> i think it's worse than that. you're kind to put it that way. thank you. i know why everyone likes you

now. andy cohen from bravo. name of your book again "most talkative." >> thanks, chris. when we return, let me finish with the sandusky trial. what they really have been doing to our kids. we're talking about 11-year-olds, 12-year-olds. you're watching "hardball." the place for politics. those surprising little things she does still make you take notice. there are a million reasons why. but your erectile dysfunction that could be a question of blood flow. cialis for daily use helps you be ready anytime the moment's right. you can be more confident in your ability to be ready. and the same cialis is the only daily ed tablet approved to treat ed and symptoms of bph, like needing to go frequently or urgently. tell your doctor about all your medical conditions and medications, and ask if your heart is healthy enough for sexual activity. do not take cialis if you take nitrates for chest pain, as this may cause an unsafe drop in blood pressure. do not drink alcohol in excess with cialis. side effects may include headache, upset stomach, delayed backache or muscle ache. to avoid long-term injury, seek immediate medical help for an erection lasting more than four hours. if you have any sudden decrease or loss in hearing or vision, or if you have any allergic reactions

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let me finish tonight with this sandusky case, this whole penn state mess. it's interesting don't you think this is the first such case that

we've finally covered on television. it's the first time we've heard the graphic details of what goes on in these cases, learning what the charges are, what the conduct that's being alleged really was. we're getting the skin crawling truth. and it's about time. journalism has to be respectful. i understand that. for years these cases of adult sexual abuse of children has been soft peddled in the media. we've gotten used to words like molested without any idea of what's described. there's been too much avoidance. the result an unintentional down playing of the charges. perhaps, just perhaps this has helped the perpetrators and those covering up for those escape the full public outrage and rebuke that finally occurred but didn't for so long in such cases. i'm referring to my church here, like so many millions of others, i never got the picture in the early going. i never understood what was