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due to mature subject matter, viewer discretion is advised. >> america's prisons. dangerous, often deadly. there are 2 million people doing time. every day is a battle to survive and to maintain order. >> down on your feet, down! >> among the nation's most notorious institutions, san quentin state prison. our cameras spent months documenting life on the inside where gangs, drugs, and sheer boredom make up a violent mix. this is "lockup san quentin: extended stay."
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>> san quentin is home to more than 5,000 inmates, ranging from the most violent offenders in california. >> i'll tell you, i'll rob you in a minute. don't get me wrong. >> i pulled a gun on this man and shot him six times in his chest. >> to the all too common parole violators flooding the system. >> i do drugs. that's my violation. >> the overpopulated san quentin serves as the reception center for 17 counties in california. >> there's 384 inmates in this gym. right now, i have six staff members. >> it's forced to house a dangerous mix of high and low risk inmates. >> you got the drugs, you got the inmates to manufacture the alcohol, you got the gangs, you got the weapons. so it can be real dangerous at times. ♪ >> i've been a pretty successful robber.
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>> level 4 inmates, the worst in california, are housed at san quentin while awaiting permanent transfer to other facilities. >> i used to rob stores, you know, and that in itself is a rush that you can't explain. it's like whoa, i can -- i own the world. i can do whatever i want. i can -- better than any ceo in the world. i can instruct you to do whatever i want you to do with a pistol to you, you know? it's an adrenalin you can never get from anything else. unfortunately, there's the consequence too, because you know, i got a strike. my years was doubled, which is like up to 521 years. and i got 11 consecutive life terms. >> i know why i'm here, but i
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can see why most of you are here. stupid. >> in our three months of taping, we never heard an inmate so willing to detail his own crime, especially with an appeal pending. >> i've invaded many a home, not necessarily the ones i was convicted for. all right? i've invaded other people's homes, you know. people that play the same game i play, sell drugs whatever. i go in this home. >> how had' you get in? >> i went through the front door. how you get in? >> it wasn't locked? >> of course, if it's locked, you go through it, break down the door. alarm goes off. each of us take a room. got to cover everybody at one time. because it could be dangerous you can get killed just, as well. i take a room, which happened to be a son's room, kick him, wake up. wakes up, flashlight in his eyes and black room, he don't know what's going on.
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snatch him up, throw him down. put his ankles together, zip him up, his hands together behind his back, zip them up. it looked like he was like somebody in high school. he had trophies, you know, little athletic sport guy, you know, played football you could tell, things like that. you know. so i could see him trying to be a hero or something for his family, you know? so that was my concern, okay? maybe he might be a threat. not that i'm really worried about it. it just means that i might have to do something i don't want to do such as shoot him or whatever, you know? i'm not going to fight. i'm not here to see who can win. i'm here to win. at this time, he's calling out to his little sister which is right next door almost. you know, and that's my little sister, she's only 14, bro, leave her alone. you know, this and that. all right. that's fine. you know, i'm not worried about
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her. i'm worried but right now. i guess the father came down from the stairs, turned the alarm off. at that time, he was greeted by other people, strucked to turn the alarm off. once you got it under control, this is going to sound lake a dirt bag, but i'm just keeping it real, you can actually sit down, drink one of their sodas, make one of their sandwiches, hell, you can watch an hour of tv if you want. you can leave in their car when you're done. >> and that 14-year-old girl. >> okay. >> put yourself in her shoes. do you think you've changed anybody's life in that home? >> most definitely. i mean, i've wrecked on my bicycle when i was a kid and i remember that, let alone something like this, you know. i mean, i didn't say i didn't have no remorse for them. you asked me the story. i told you. once said, you live by the gun,
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you die by the gun. there's so much truth to that. i mean, i may not die physically, but emotionally i might have died, you know? i got to do forever here. you know, a lot of people are like, damn, you got good spirits. how do you do it? i couldn't even imagine being in your situation. i'm like, well you know what? i think i deserve this. you know, i knew better what i was doing, i was doing. i knew the consequences. i knew the rules to the game. i played it, and i lost. now to sit here and be miserable and make other people miserable because of my wrongdoings, it's not the right way to be, you know? i know how to live comfortable in here. >> coming up on lockup: extended stay, nearly 20 years on death row, now he's out. >> i wanted the death penalty,
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easier banking. every step of the way. san quentin is home to the only operating execution chamber in california. and a condemned row that houses the highest level inmates in the state. >> as of today, we have 644 inmates on death row. and 622 of them are currently housed at san quentin. the other 22 are either out to court or seeking medical attention somewhere possibly in federal jurisdiction outside of the state. >> san quentin's condemned row houses california's most heinous criminals such as the night -- 1980s night stalker richard ramirez, the man who killed
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polly klaas, richard allen davis, whose crime led toe california's three strikes law, and scott peterson, who was convicted of murdering his pregnant wife. >> the bottom line is, we don't allow filming in condemned row simply because it's department policy. >> though denied access to condemned row, our producers found an inmate who lived there for nearly 20 years. >> when i arrived on death row, it was in the winter of '91. i remember because it was real cold, there was icicles on the ground. my condition for the death penalty was the double felony, the murder then the robly, but you know, if you rof a person from one spot to another so many feet, it's kidnapped. so they claimed it was kidnapped and threw another felony on there. during that time, i was young. i was wild. i was angry.
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the jury verdict was -- it wasn't something i didn't expect. so you know, at that time and point, i wanted the death penalty, to be honest with you, because i wanted to come up here and you know, hang out until i was executed. but then that changed as time went on. death row is the worstest place on the planet. i mean, you've been sentenced to die. extinction, you know, that's it. it's over with. the finality. you stay in your cell for orientation for several days until you meet the committee. then you go meet the committee. that's when the process really starts. from that point forward, then that's when you start to realize you're really on death row. a lot of people can't deal with it so they commit suicide. or they become introverts. and they start to go crazy. my case was overturned in 2003 for a violation. so i was sent back to the county jail to have a new trial.
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i lost the trial again and they hung on the death penalty. so they decided after about several months not to refile the death penalty. so they sent me back to san quentin. it feels good to be off death row, but it hasn't sunk in yet. you know, it will in time, but it hasn't yet. they've removed me from death row and put me in the reception center. the reception center is the most disgusting place in san quentin. i don't know how i ended up over there, but they removed my a 1 a status which means i was receiving ought the benefits of programming, contact visits, packages, you know, yard. but they put me in reception center status which is zero status. you receive nothing. you sit in the cell for 24 hours a day. seven days a week, two days out of a week you get yard for three
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hours, and the rest of the time you're stuck in a small cell with a cellie. i haven't had a cellie in 20 years. so that's kind of hard learning cell etiquette. you know, i don't know celletquette. i'm a fish out of water. >> he still hasn't learned yet. they should have gave him medical attention before they brought him in the cell. mental attention. >> mental attention. >> yeah. >> dude has issues still. >> yeah, got issues. man, you spend 20 years on death row, you're going to have some issues. >> he has big issues. >> i was lucky, i was very lucky and they put me in a cell with an older black gentleman who's been around, and you know, he's open to teaching me. so he's teaching me about cell etiquette and prison etiquette again because i don't know the about prisonetquette any longer. i only know about death row etiquette which is different from main line etiquette. >> me and joe joe, we play cards.
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that what we do all day every day. >> in case you're interested, if you see this woman right here anywhere, you tell her to write me. and i mean that. >> he means that. and he's serious. >> with a full life now ahead of him, omar's focus has turned to helping others. >> now i want to live. i want to live and i want to accomplish things. i want to help the young brothers. i want to help my people during my incarceration, i've learned math and a bunch of other things, history. and i would like to share some of this stuff with some of the young brothers coming in the prisons from the community i come from, who i know are going to come to prison. they're going to have dates and when they leave prison, they're going to leave with the same thing they came to prison with, nothing. and i want to get these brothers basic education, teach them basic mathematics, basic reading.
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i want to teach them, you know, that this is not it. they don't want to come in and spend the rest of their life being told what to do, to be free, maybe when they go home, they'll feel good about themselves and be able to do something different, and take care of their families, take care of their children and help another brother, you know. >> coming up on "lockup:extended stay," inmates unleash their long suppressed rage. >> even more, now the hatred is so bad that my heart is cold.
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despite temporarily housing some of the worst inmates in california, san quentin is actually a level 2 facility, permanently housing mainly lower level inmates who are serving out life sentences. >> i've been in prison 29 years this december. i was arrested at age 21 for a second degree murder. and i've been incarcerated ever since.
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i was so young, i just felt like you know what? my life is over. i've got a life sentence. it's over. i came to prison and started into the same behavior. i was like for the first nine years, i was using whatever i could, drugs, prison alcohol. just trying to do anything that i could to escape the reality of my situation and what i had done. you know and that, and it's just self-medicating again, the same way i was in the street. all the pain, everything that came up for me that was my solution, to self-medicate. that's what i did. >> in his struggle to conquer addiction, rusty discovered a passion for counseling others. >> i've been. 1-step programs for, oh, geez, probably about 18 years now, 19 years, but the current program
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i'm in, it's called arc. it's addiction recovery counseling. >> it's a four-month program which is a state-of-the-art addiction treatment program. it's the first one ever in the world as far as we know that's completely run and has counselors who are inmates, who are trained inmates. >> it's one thing to sit across the desk from somebody in a suit and tie who's not in recovery, who's never been there that doesn't note first thing about getting busted, going to a county jail or going through a prison experience. it's a whole other thing when you've got a guy sitting across from them that's been there, that can totally relate to what this guy's saying. >> in addition to helping his fellow inmates, rusty hopes his efforts may influence his parole. >> i worked my points down through the years after coming into a level 2 facility, and i've been to the board 17 times. i've received 17 one-year denials. i've been disciplinary free for
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19 years, and in memory of the victim and there's nothing i can do to take back what i've caused, all i can do is change who i am and all i can do is serve, serve mankind, serve humanity, any way possible to make up for what i did. ♪ ♪ lord i am tired of being, lord ♪ >> boy, i tell you one thing about san quentin, we got flavor here. we got flavor. >> programs like the annual poetry slam provide inmates a creative release, helping them to avoid potential disciplinary write-ups and longer sentences. [ rapping ]
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it's like i'm buried alive, alive, alive, alive, alive. >> this is the san quentin poetry slam here sponsored by the university. and i believe this is the fifth. this is the first time i actually participated in it. >> judges, let us see the scores for brother montgomery. snappy do. we got a 10, a 10, a 10. a.3 to 10. we're going to drop the 9.3, drop the 10. and he got a 30. >> braided brown hair around
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scarlet fingertips. rested her palm on willow tree hips. >> this poem is entitled "the funeral." wait a minute, get in character. >> the scent of flowers assaults my nose. carnation rose and the smell of green. i like a wedding. you can sit where you want. no usher or bride or groom. funny, all women look good in black. >> i think i'm going to do pretty good on the poetry. i'm a little nervous and don't fully remember my poem. i think it will come. signs get up there, it will just flow. little graphic. i will cut as much of the cussing as i can out. >> keep it real, home boy. >> get real. >> i am. >> ready? who would have thought that penal law, boy the juvenile hall. [ rapping ]
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>> but never considering the fact that he wasn't right. a cold-blooded murder who only thinks of himself but cannot that be a sign of a cry for help because he grew up in the ghetto and don't know nothing else. and all he's seeing is deaths and killing so what the hell? all i seen was kicking my ass until one day i got so tired i stabbed my new dad. my real father just wasn't right. he used to do the same thing beating her every night. knocking down every picture mirror that's on the wall. a bunch of bs as he walked out the door and that was it, i never saw him no more. a slammed door. until i got older and finally answered the phone. the holy dugout of my heart, it wouldn't close because now i'm frustrated and hated him even more. now my heart is cold because there was no reason for you to just leave me and go. now i'm a bastard and i don't want to see you no more.
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>> short people really got a lot of pent up anger, don't they? not going to make him mad. don't call me dad. >> judges we need the core for little mighty mouse that just went. we have a 9.5, a 10 plus a 9.5, 9.8, 9.8, so the winner is who's first? that's all i want to know. montgomery. montgomery, please come up to the mic. >> i did very good, came in second place. that was good. some people say i got cheated but that was really great. it was fun all the way around. i'm very happy. this is my first time entering so maybe next year, i'll come back and win it. i'll put together some better material and try to take it all. >> next on "lockup:extended stay," in for parole violation this inmate's behavior could earn him permanent residence. >> he keeps getting in trouble.
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home, we don't want to spend another christmas with you gone ♪ ♪ mama cries most every night, she's always feeling blue, daddy, we don't want to spend another christmas without you ♪ >> san quentin's h-unit houses level one and two inmates, many of whom are parole violators serving short sentences. >> down here is a little more laid back atmosphere with the inmates, but at any time, it can turn on you. before i was working in counter
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section. >> when we first met co cavagnolo, he dealt with high level inmates in administrative segregation. now he interacts with level one inmates in a dorm setting. >> i have 200 inmates in here and it's only me. it's like going totally other side of the spectrum. everything down here is observation, just watching, listening, getting the feel for the dorm and if you're always watching, you can tell when something's starting to go bad, hopefully stop it before it gets bad, but things happen down here all the time. you have a lot of drugs down here, partner found two hypodermic needles in this dorm probably about three days ago. so you got the drugs, you got the inmate-manufactured alcohol, you got the gangs, you got the weapons. so it can be real dangerous at times. i do three certainlies a day so we just pick them randomly. this guy i haven't did yet.
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since i've been down here. so it's his lucky day. get this guy, i'm going to get him to unlock his locker. >> okay, you guys got me in trouble. >> unlock your locker, man. >> lock it? >> unlock it. >> my locker's open. >> that's yours right there. >> yeah. >> is he around. >> no. can i move something out of mine real quick. >> come on, man. >> come on, come on. [ bleep ] >> this is the first time i think -- i'm just doing violation. i got like nine days left. >> though parole violations bring these inmates to prison, internal violations could keep them here indefinitely. >> looking for weapons, drugs, any type of contraband, stuff like this. he's got this. probably make an illegal stinger out of it to heat up food, whatever, stuff like that they can't have. could blow out the power back here. >> how long have you been in
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prison, on and off? >> a long time. like i just remember since 1992. i'm not catching on terms or anything like that. i'm just having a hard time with parole right now. >> why? >> i do drugs. that's my violation right there. there goes my lighter. >> 58919. >> explain to them, man. >> it's a saltwater lighter. all's it is, you put a -- paper clips through here and there, and you've got a hot one going from here to there, same thing here. then you run a wire from one to the other. fill this full of water and put two salts in it. it won't blow a circuit that way. it's a lighter. you plug it in and this gets red hot. >> for what? >> to light cigarettes. not that i smoke. i don't smoke.
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i was holding it for a friend. >> you know we're taking this stuff. >> yeah. >> let's take a walk up front real quick. straight up to the podium. >> this write-up may be minor but enough violations could earn an inmate a cell in administrative segregation. >> my case right now is from receiving stolen property in 2001. i'm on parole right now, been on parole for the last three years. so i'm just getting violations. just getting violations. i came to prison for a dui. they gave me 90 days for that, and six-month drug program. i'm in ad seg because i left
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from the hole last time like a year and a half ago, they gave me a assault on staff. since i was in the shoe when i left, they brought me back in the hole. that's how they do it. now i'm waiting to go to icc to find out when they're going to let me get out. >> matthew usually returns to prison for petty crimes. he has a history of committing more serious offenses behind bars. >> he's capable of a lot of violence in custody in the prison system. and in fact, he hasn't been in a general population setting since i think maybe 2003. and that's because he keeps getting in trouble. he batters the officers. he's resistant. he uses alcohol in custody. ♪ >> whoops. that didn't work. >> good, how are you? >> good. >> this is institution classification committee.
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this is for administrative segregation inmates and this is a due process issue where we bring them in, review why they're in ad seg and you know, go over the issues of why they're locked up in ad seg and what they can expect from here. >> name and cdc number, sir. >> matthew, 245854. >> sir, warden ayres. >> the land incarcerates you were at corcoran state prison. >> referred to our csr for transfer and approved and you were retained. you have done your shoe related time. therefore, the recommendation is to release you to the rcgp. okay. do you have any problems with being released? >> yes, i got a problem to gp because i'm not a gp. i dropped out. >> you in a gang? >> yes, i am affiliated with a gang, yes. >> you're a dropout of what? >> out of the woods.
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but right now, i'm just concerned about my housing, where i'm going to be housed. that's all i'm worried about right now. >> by releasing him today, we can maim him a1 status and that will give him the opportunity to parole today. so it doesn't matter where you're going to be housed. we can go ahead and leash you and keep you here pending your parole. >> understand that, nasholm? >> yes, sir. >> if we grant you a one-time for the time you've been in ad seg, then they take this up and run it through records office and you parole today. do you understand that? >> yes, sir. >> okay. >> yeah. >> yes, sir. officially release you today. have a nice day. you'll be staying in your cell till they come get you to take you to r&r, okay? >> okay, thank you. >> you have a right to appeal. >> a miracle happened or something. they said i was going to get released today, and when i come back to prison, i won't come back to the hole.
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>> matthew's transition to freedom proves to be more complicated than he anticipated. >> what's going on, boss? >> come on in, let's do it. all right. in the chair. how you doing? >> how you doing? >> all right. we thought you were going home too, but you know how before you go home, the analyst takes a look at your case, sees if anybody's interested in you and the sonoma county sheriff's office is interested in you. looks like he had a little health and safety code violation and contempt of court. >> you know why? because they said i have to -- i had to be there -- i had to i been in custody. they said i had to go to their -- their dui class 21 days after my -- after my release from the court date.
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then i got a violation here. so i was never out to make it over there. i figured they would take care of it. i guess apparently they didn't. >> it looks like it's going to be a ride home. $20,000 bail. they're misdemeanors. you're not going to get any more prison time for them. but we are making some pickup arrangements for you. so sonoma county is going to drive you up and pick you up. we never tell you exactly when it's going to happen. do you have any questions? >> no, i guess that's plain as day. you know what i'm saying? >> we didn't know. we thought you were on the way out the door, too. you know how things pop up at the last minute. all right, mr. nasholm, take care. >> matthew will leave san quentin, but instead of going home, he's headed straight 0 county jail. >> so we're finished with him for now. if he violates his parole, if he commits another felony, we night see him again. >> next on "lockup extended
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originally designed to house just over 3,000 inmates, san quentin is now home to more than 5,000. the overcrowding has forced the prison to convert every extra square foot into living space, creating dangerous environments for its inmates and officers. >> right now. >> down here, the dangers are pretty good. i'm left-handed.
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it's an open environment. >> gentlemen. >> there's right now, i have six staff members. >> [ bleep ]. >> this is life. >> yeah, you're doing a good job of it too, huh? >> breaking all my rights. >> the another day on the job. >> almost all the individuals down here are parole violators, they've been out on pa row, couldn't hack it. got picked up for something, they sent them back in here, they generally do six months, a year. something of that nature. they go main line to another institution to do their time or released back out on parole. prison system severely overcrowded. beds are at a premium. this is the rc overflow. we house 384 individuals. it's an open dorm. we have tvs, considered pretty much the luxury suites of the reception center. i have three sets of showers
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they're broken down by race in the gym. they self-segregate. we do not tell them where to go. the shower closest to the left that is all white. the middle shower will be only your blacks, the far right showers, your hispanics and others. the tables along the day room right here are broken up into races. >> table for others. we're not gang members. >> other than black, other than white. this guy's an american indian right here, a native american. >> we're all from different counties and different cities but this brings us all together as one. >> it's a show of unity. everybody eats. you don't have to eat, but that's how you show love. >> it's anyone's table. we're just playing a game here. >> but i mean, there's just certain races that you can play games with right here. and for white people, it's, what is it, ami, american indians. that's pretty much about it, ain't it?
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there's three separate types of mexicans and it's ser rainios terranos and pie sis. and we can sit with ser rainios and pisces. don't ask me why. but we can't play with the black folks. i would get beat up. you'd get in a fight over it. that's just the way it is. there's more racism here than there is in, you know, in civilization for sure. if you don't come in prejudiced, you might leave prejudiced. >> anything we take for granted on the outside is worth money. books go for a premium in here. food is worth money. soups are 20 cents apiece in prison money. >> inmates will use virtually anything for bartering. many items not issues by the prison can be purchased in the canteen. >> these are the treasured ice creams. they love these ice creams.
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we carry a full variety, at least four or five flavors. >> 767 up. >> do you need a spoon with that? >> yes, please. >> the guy comes up to get his order filled, we have our workers fill the order by what he puts on this list right here. and if they've got enough money, we'll fill it. we'll fill it up to the point that they run out of money. so if ice cream is on the end of the list and they run out of money, they don't get the ice cream. >> thank you. >> you have different categories of guys. if you have what you call a 1 a status, which is the highest status kind of like a credit rating, you can spend up to $10 at the canteen. it goes down according to whatever your status is. you may have gotten in trouble, may be in the lockup and can only spend $70, some guys can only spend $90. so that limits your purchasing power. >> here you go. >> okay, this is just some of the things that we handle. they got the chili cheese chips
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and potato chips. as you can see, there's all types of sodas. we're loaded on coffee. candy bars, of course. the cookies are big and the ramen, the noodles are probably about the biggest seller. they buy those cases at a time. that's the staple of what they make. >> i just spent all my money. >> these are some of the things we have to take off the containers of milk. things you take for granted in your home. this could be made into a slashing device. we have to remove these for the condemned especially. >> give me that bag. >> that's the only thing you got to worry about. >> next on "lockup:extended stay," inmates show at-risk kids the realities of prison. >> let's be real.
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should ever want to be in. you should be out playing somewhere in the park but you're here because of something you did. >> every saturday, we bring in groups of kids from san francisco, oakland, richmond, all over. you're not going to scare them with a little story that i'm a murderer and i'm in prison doing life. that doesn't scare anybody any more. what you want to know, that this is your life, man. you have an opportunity to leave out of this place and never come back. >> we try to show them this is what could happen if you keep doing what you're doing. >> all right, you guys. where you guys is at right now, you're in r&r which is receiving and release. when you decide you guys wants to commit crimes and the judge sends you a certain amount of time, this is the first place you're going to go when you get off of that bus. now for you guys who like to wear your nice shoes, for you guys who like to wear fubu, nike, michael jordan, all of that good clothes, polo, when you come here, all of that's gone. this is your polo. these are your nikes. these are your filas and your
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reeboks. that's your fubu. this is your michael jordan gear. this is your polo. this is your nice 501 jeans, you guys. this is what you guys sell yourself for. who speaks spanish here? can you read that? [ speaking spanish ]. >> what does that mean? >> something about sexual assault. >> sexual assault. >> they warning you about sexual assault in prison, how to protect yourself against it. >> the inmates are in essence the deterrent that will guide these youth back to a life of contributing to society. >> this is the building we live in, north block. and this building they have little small cells that are 9 x 4, nine feet tall, four feet wide. that's smaller than a walk-in closet, you guys, but yet two men live in those cells in that building.
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look where you at, man, you in a cage like an animal. have you ever been to a zoo? >> yeah. >> the cages for the monkeys are bigger than this, right? okay then, so what does that tell you about yourself? >> they got more freedom than this. >> the animals get more freedom than us, right? so you need to really be thinking. >> they're treating me lower than animals, lesser than animals. >> okay, you but can't blame it on them. i said this is because of the consequences of your actions. when you do something wrong, when you do something wrong, this is where you can end up. these are the possible solutions to you committing crime is putting you in a cage. >> in addition to showing them the realities of prison, the inmates challenge these youths' ssumptions of that i recall lives on the street. >> this is why i connect with you. i love the same thing you love. it was fun to put hands on somebody and show my home boy i'm the man. and you don't want nothing either.
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you get respect, right? what's your name? >> marco. >> what do they say in the hood? marco throw down. mack conow how to chunk them. don't mess with marco, right? that's what they tell you. that's what they told me because they knew i was willing to fight for nothing. on site, let's go. you think you can whip me, then let's whip. but this is why i tell you this. that fighting, eventually it got tiring. because i was literally fighting every day, every single day of my life i was fighting. the homies already knew, romeo, he throw down. i say okay. i got to oneup them now. let me start carrying this knife. let me start carrying this pistol. and it took one day and all of about three or four seconds for me to pull my pistol out on somebody that i could have easily have just fought, whooped them and been done with it. and i pulled a gun on this man and shot him six times in his chest because he liked the color blue. you're 15, right?
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>> yeah. >> do you want to come to jail at 15 years old? do you want to come to prison and have to be on the yard? stand up. let me see how tall you are. this was me. this was me when i came to prison. this was me right here. how tall are you, about 5'1" how much you weigh, 100 some. >> 100 exactly. >> this was me right here when i came to prison. stand up, rhino. come on, now, man, what am i going to do? let's be real. what you going to do? what you going to do to him? you going to hurt him? >> i probably won't hurt him. >> what you going to do to him? honestly. because this is the same thing i had to ask myself. what am i going to really do up in here, as good as i can fight, what am i really going to do. >> inmates also challenge the youths to see all of the potential consequences of their actions. when i am going to juvenile
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hall court and they're telling me i'm not going to be tried as a juvenile, they're going to sentence me to life in prison, when the man told me that because is he specifically said, mr. morrow, you are a cold-blooded murderer and we want you to rot in prison. i'm sentencing to you life in innocence prison and he slammed down his little hammer and my mom screamed. imagine how that felt. how would your mom feel? >> this is what it took to get through to us. it took me to come to prison. it took shah heed and the rest of us to come to prison to realize there's more value out there in society and life than out there committing crime. >> with the knowledge they may never leave san quentin, the squires hope to never see these boys restrained by a security level. >> it's like i don't want to come over here.
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