tv Weekends With Alex Witt MSNBC June 16, 2012 4:00am-5:00am PDT
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game change? will president obama's move on immigration impact the november election? we will look at the swing states it might affect most. battleground bus tour, mitt romney hits another key state but can he sell his message to the middle class? we'll get reaction in a live report. a walk in the park. not exactly, what was going through the mind of this dare dafl devil as he crossed niagara falls. chris hays talk about his new book and why the rich keep getting richer. welcome. we're going to get to what's happening right now as we go to front page politics. in this morning, a strong
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message from the president on the economy. he criticizes republicans for dragging their feet on important legislation. meanwhile, mitt romney is on the road today taking his bus tour to pennsylvania after his swing through new hampshire on friday. other stops will include, ohio, wisconsin, michigan and iowa. and new reaction this morning to the president's executive order helping hundreds of thousands of young illegal immigrants stay in this country. the policy is now in effect and stops deportation of immigrants younger than 30 who were brought to the u.s. before the age of 16 and lived in the country for five continuous years. they must not have any criminal history, be high school graduates and g.e.d.s or have served in the u.s. military. they can apply for a two-year work permit with no limits or renew renewals. it could affect as many as 8,000 immigrants. joining me, political reporter for the "washington post"
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felicia som ez and mark murray. thanks for joining me. mark, we'll look at this day in november and say this tipped the election. might it be that powerful a step? >> alex, it is a potential game changer. one reason why has to do with enthusiasm. you look at a lot of the polls out there and a lot of parts of the democratic base aren't as enthusiastic about the election as republicans. in our may wall street journal poll, 68% of latinos were interested in the upcoming election, compared to 81% of all other voters and 90% of key republican voting blocs. if president obama's campaign team can get the 68% into the 80%, that's a difference between winning and losing a presidential election in these key battleground states. generally speaking on the heels of all of this, how did mitt romney respond to the move? >> it's something they would really rather not talk about and
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that was clear both in mitt romney's response and also among national republicans more broadly. last night the faith and freedom coalition had their annual conversation in d.c. and i was struck by on a panel of hispanic outreach, the immigration issue was not raised a single time. when the outreach director was asked about this by reporters afterwards, she declined any comment and referreded us to the rnc, which give a statement from the chairman that basically criticized obama for moving politically but not criticizing the substance. that's something we saw both in mitt romney's response as well as the responses of people like marco rubio who tried to get out front on the issue. it's something that put republicans on defense and the question is they can do that for one day but that's going to be tougher for them going forward when they get asked about this. >> mark, as we look at poll numbers, what are the states where this might have the greatest effect? we're looking at this map.
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do you agree, it's nevada, colorado, new mexico, florida? >> you could maybe add virginia to the list given a high latino population in that state as well. we're looking at the west and southwest. colorado, nevada, new mexico. if president obama wins all three states, there's a path for him to actually get to 270 electoral votes without winning ohio and without winning florida. it's that important for him. and of course, if he's able to win florida by itself and florida has a lot of latinos who aren't cubans, a lot of puerto rican descent, from central america, that could have a very big impact. >> ultimately though, felicia, a lot of talk about this being it's a political move. it's an election year move. does that matter for the president if it helps him elector electorally? >> yeah, i think it helps him politically when it comes to his
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base. last weekend i talked to many there and they were very despirited and satisfied with what the president has done, the embrace of same-sex marriage and saw that as a victory, when it came to immigration, a lot needed to keep on pushing in order to get the white house to change its stance. one of the activists way a woman named gabby pacheco, we could vote for romney who says he will is for us or for president obama who is actually doing it. this changes that, rather than a symbolic move, it's a very concrete definite one that takes effect immediately. and i think you'll see a lot of enthusiasm from the base as a result of that. >> how about in terms of enthusiasm, mark, with regard to mitt romney, the six-state bus tour he started yesterday. did that announcement do anything to steal the headlines?
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>> the headline yesterday had to do with the immigration announcement, mitt romney, as felicia was talking about, he eventually had to come back to reporters and comment on this change in obama administration policy. it remains to be seen how this bus tour is going to be. of course, i think they are hoping to grab big headlines in these states like new hampshire, ohio, pennsylvania. so it really does remain to be seen. i will say this, this is the most exposure that mitt romney has received continuously since he became the presumptive nominee. he is -- it will be interesting to see him getting questions from reporters and whether he can continue to stay on message, particularly after yesterday's news. >> before we get to the economy and what both have said with regard to things said in ohio yesterday. let's listen to what the president said. here's part of what that was. >> most of the ideas that would create jobs and grow our economy, republicans in congress have not lifted a finger.
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they would rather wait until after the election in november. just this past week, one of them said, why not wait for the reinforcements, that's a quote. you can bet plenty of his colleagues are thinking the same thing. >> with regard to the take away from the speeches, felicia, in ohio yesterday, what was the main point there? >> well, i think as we looked at both speeches, there wasn't any new ground being broken by either side. i think we can probably expect to hear speeches like that at least every week from now until election day. it's just another way for them to reinforce that's the number one issue on voters' minds. neither side want to be completely distracted from that. for president obama and the democrats they are trying to make the case for the key middle class voters that romney is out of touch with. it remains the number one battle ground from here until november. >> as always, many thanks, guys. appreciate it.
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for more on immigration policy as well as the president's announcement, let's get justice correspondent pete williams to join us. good day to you. let's talk about all of this and the difference it's going to make. >> well, the obama administration says this is a shift in enforcement. they say they are going to focus on illegal immigrants who are a criminals or danger to national security and give a break to those here illegally through no fault of their own. >> yes we did. yes we did. >> reporter: young people covered by the new policy cheered the announcement outside of the white house. >> i can't describe it. it's so amazing. i'm so happy. >> reporter: president obama said it's intended to help those brought here illegally by their parents. >> these are young people who study in our schools and play in our neighborhoods and they are friends with our kids. they pledge allegiance to our flag. >> reporter: starting immediately, the government will stop deporting people here
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illegally brought to the u.s. under age 16 and are no older than 30 now, have lived here at least the past five years and are in school or have a high school diploma or military service and have not committed a serious crime. the homeland security secretary says most of them don't even know the language of the country where they were born. >> they've grown up here and speak the language here and stayed out of trouble here and getting their education here. they have wonderful talents to contribute to our country. >> reporter: the policy will affect hundreds of thousands like jessica who says her father brought her illegally to georgia from mexico when she was 11. now she's a college graduate. >> i want to go to law school to eventually practice immigration law. >> reporter: those who meet the standards will still be here illegally and not get a leg up for citizenship but they can apply for relief for deportation for two years, something that can be renewed repeatedly and eligible to seek work permits. >> i think that the president
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understands that we cannot wait for congress to act on this. they haven't gotten their act together on either side on immigration for a very long time. >> reporter: perhaps reflecting the passion surrounding the issue, the president showed a flash of anger when his remarks were interrupted by a reporter for a conservative website. >> excuse me sir, it's not time for questions sir. not while i'm speaking. >> reporter: most republican response has been muted. congress has so far declined to give any relief to immigrants who want citizenship. >> it is a important matter to be considered and should be solved on a long term basis so they know what their future would be in the country. >> many say enforcement at the border must be toughened first. >> i'm concerned this isn't anything that is real change. this is merely election year
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pandering. >> and jan brewer says it rewards law breakers. >> they'll be competing with jobs with people that have come here legally. >> there's no way to know exactly how many young people will qualify but several estimates say it's at least 1 million, perhaps 1.2 million. >> any legal recourse against an executive order? is there anything one can do? >> some members of congress say the president doesn't have this authority. he himself said last year he didn't have it. the homeland security department and the white house both insist this is just a shift in enforcement similar to what the government started to do last year by trying to focus more on the more serious danger among illegal immigrants and say they do have the power. >> is is this a game changer? you can talk to me on twitter. i'll be reading some of your tweets throughout the day. next up, a congressman on the front lines fighting the
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georgia is the hardest hit with a 33% decrease from a year ago. riverside in southern california with 1 in 179 houses under foreclosure. my next guest is running a prevention workshop in his home district. the numbers are a little bit better but the threat is just as daunting, joining me now is elijah cummings, good to see you. >> good to be with you, alex. >> let's talk about the workshop. how much can be done to help people there? >> a lot can be done. this is our seventh one. we meet with constituents finding themselves in difficulty in regard to their mortgage payments. some of them are in foreclosure, some are about to go into foreclosure. and basically we ask them to bring all of their documents in showing their financial status. the bankers come in with their
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computers and they literally sit down and work out modifications with our constituents. we usually have about one thousand people show up and usually we're able to help at least 800 of them stay in their homes. >> that is great if you're looking, about an 80% helping rate. that's terrific. what about overall, sir, the crisis in terms of how it impacted the black community in particular? >> it has impacted the black community tremendously. one of the things that i've told people is that, you know, a lot of times for african-americans, this house that they live in is the only house they've ever owned. and it is certainly a -- the source of the money that they are able to -- the source to be able to make -- borrow money, use it as collateral, and of course it's where they live. and where their children actually do their homework and play and what have you. and so basically, when you have
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foreclosures in the african-american community or any community, it not only affects that immediate block, but then it spreads out. i mean, because the home values go down, not only that, when you have vacancies, that means that all kinds of problems take place and instead of the city, getting taxes from those houses, basically they are paying to maintain them. it's a drain on not only the homeowners but it's also a drain on the municipality. >> absolutely. let's move to the topic of gun violence because in 25 cities across this country they are going to be demonstrations today to talk about gun violence to fight it, particularly in black neighborhoods, it's been started by the rainbow push coalition. you represent a section in baltimore that struggled with violence for years. i do want to give this note, for the first time in ten years, your city is no longer in the top five murder cities,
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something good is happening there. >> yeah and we've had a 50% drop in the homicide rate and 70% drop in shootings and 30% drop in juvenile shootings. i think basically what happens -- in school, provide them with education that they find interesting. that's one of things, we've got to do something about guns, availability of guns. when i talk to the kids in my community, they say they can get a gun as fast as they can get a cigarette. the guns are out there and they are everywhere. and the other thing we've got to do, we've got to have -- find jobs for these young people. a lot of these young people are getting out of high school with no jobs. some of them unfortunately drop out and then there's no training.
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and now with the way things are going in washington, training dollars are being cut substantially and the job situation is pretty bad. when you look at a lot of the crime that takes place, a lot of it is -- you've got robberies and of course you've got a lot of crimes that are drug related. we've got to find money for drug treatment, things of that nature. so as one -- my nephew a year ago was killed in old dominion university and what we think was a robbery and it was likely an african-american that killed him. so i'm very familiar with this subject. but again, we've got to concentrate as reverend jackson is doing on these young men. and we have to give them more opportunities to be able to get an education and to get a job and to be trained. >> absolutely. couldn't agree with you more. may i ask you quickly sir, your concern about voter fraud in
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this country -- >> very concerned. >> and in florida, back and forth. >> i'm extremely concerned, very upset. i think what the governor is doing down there is unpatriotic and i think it's very sad when he's trying to purge the voter rolls and basically eliminating people who are legitimate voters and many of whom have voted for many years by bringing in this methodology of sending notices to people and saying we have to respond within 30 days. if we don't respond within 30 days, they are no longer on the rolls. this is another way of stopping democrats mainly, african-americans, hispanics, from voting. and i think it's very sad and i think we should do every single thing in our power to stop him and any other governor from doing anything of this nature. >> thank you for weighing in on all of the topics this morning.
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now to our three big money headlines, consumer prices down and foreclosure activity up and the cost of raising a child. good saturday morning to you. >> good morning. >> after being flat in april, morgan, the consumer prices dropped by the most in three years. what does this mean for the fed meeting next week? >> consumer prices dropped by 0.3%, led in large part by gas prices. we also saw flat prices for nt
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inflation relatively low. i think for next week's meeting we'll see chairman bernanke propose new plans to boost economic growth. i think this is going to come in the form of an extension of operate twist, which is the bond buying program we've seen the fed involved in, that's been keeping interest rates low. >> what about this, not good news with the foreclosure activity. it rose back above 2,000 mark, why the change? >> we saw foreclosure filings tick up about 9% month over month. i expect we'll see this continue to rise throughout the year. this is actually good news in a strange way. because these are all of the delayed foreclosures that have been sitting on bank balance sheets for the past two years. they are finally pushing through the pipeline. as far as homeowners are concerned, you can expect downward pressure in prices over the next year probably in areas where foreclosure filings are
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highest. the faster we get the filings out, the faster the foreclosures are absorbed into the market and sooner we see a recovery take root. >> how about this new report which talks about the cost of raising a child? it's so pricey, take it from me. tell us about that. >> just in time for father's day, this is a new report, it's from the usda, it shows the cost of raising a child from birth until age 17 is about $235,000 on average. this is not even adjusted for inflation, future inflation adjusted. we're looking at $300,000 and doesn't even include the cost of tuition. i think that if -- going back to the could nsumer prices, any mo you happen to be saving, start a college fund. after of first 17 years, looks like you're going to need it now. >> after a week of testimony from accusers, his attorneys now
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♪ early morning shot there of times square. will get a lot busier because it's gorgeous outside. welcome back everyone, half past the hour, here's what's happening, mitt romney's six-state bus tour is rolling through pennsylvania. yesterday he and his wife met with new hampshire voters at an ice cream social. peter er alexander is live. >> reporter: good morning, after he was forced to respond to the president and take a detour and focus on the policy towards new illegal immigrants, mitt romney is trying to steer his bus back to his primary message in the course of this campaign, jobs
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and the economy. he is here making three stops in small towns across the state of pennsylvania. this is a manufacturing plant where he'll be speaking about an hour to hour and a half from now. these are small towns that he says the president has forgotten about. kicking off day two of his every town counts tour, mitt romney is engaging voters in the face to face politicking that's become a staple. >> in the days ahead, we'll travel in what are often called the back roads of america. i think our tour will take us what i call the back bone of america. >> reporter: they are the type of conservative rurl areas where romney struggled in the primaries. the six-day tour will take romney through new hampshire, pennsylvania, ohio, wisconsin, iowa and michigan, all of which president obama won in 2008.
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chartering flights between states, the romney campaign is hitting the road on four newly designed buses, each with its own nickname, grant and ike monroe. on friday, romney handed out ice cream in a small town social alongside his wife ann and possible vice presidential picks. earlier romney served up a new attack line, countering the president's claim that he's standing up for working class americans. >> if there's ever been a president who has failed to give the middle class of america a fair shot, it is barack obama. came with her frepd christine dill, a romney supporter. they share frustrations about the economy. >> kids out of college heading into college that can't get jobs that even cover their school loans. >> reporter: the obama campaign deroded the speech has rolled out a tour of its own.
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ann marie wants solutions. >> i think it's the animosity between the two parties. you know, there's got to be a way to -- for them to come make work. >> reporter: a couple hundred people already waiting in line to enter this event scheduled to take place at this manufacturing plant in pennsylvania. it's an encouraging sign for romney in a state that no republican has won since 1988. >> a good point you make as always, peter alexander, thank you so much. this morning both criticism and praise for president obama's major immigration announcement, offering young immigrants relief from deportation. >> they are americans in their heart and minds and in every single way but one, on paper. >> so what does this move mean for november and the changing face of america? joining me is victoria soto and
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fellow at the university of texas and contributor. thank you for joining me. >> my pleasure, thank you alex. >> i'm glad you're here from texas. does the proposal have the potential to swing historically conservative states with large latino populations? >> well, i would put money on it that texas is not going to turn blue any time soon. but where we're going to see the impact is in the light to medium red states where we have large latino populations, take for example, arizona. where we're going to see the biggest impact of this pollty shift is in the swing states with the latino populations, nevada, colorados, new mexico, florida to a lesser extent because in florida you have more cuban-americans who don't really have an issue with legal versus illegal status. >> you mentioned texas. let's take it further. how does this play with republican latinos? >> you know, interestingly enough, in theory, republican --
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all republicans and especially republican latinos should be open to this. republican latinos have been angry with their party with regards to their view on immigration. they feel republican in terms of the social and economic policy but they've just had to swallow this dislike of the immigration reform. so they should be accepting of this. in practice, however, they are probably going to see this as an overreach and reject it. but at the end of the day, i think they are happy just like democrats, that it's being put back on the table. >> you wrote a piece earlier that president obama is untouchable among the latino voters but the fact remains he has deported a record number of immigrants, nearly 400,000 in 2011. what has he done to engender the support? >> you're right. he has deported more people than the bush administration had in eight years but more than what has the president done, it's
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what have republicans done. over the past four years the republican party has taken this very harsh retore cal stance against latinos starting with the laws we've seen, for example, in alabama. so the republican party has effectively pushed latinos further and further into the arms of democrats. at the same time, from an economic stand point, aside from the issue of immigration, we know latinos share the policy views of the democratic party. latinos from survey evidence we know prefer more active government. they want to see government involved. that is what the president also offers. >> victoria defran chessco soto. we appreciate it. >> i talk with our own chris hayes and we talk about why his colleagues call him a hipster. we begin with his new book and its look at today's historic distrust, banking, education and
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judicial. and i asked if the trust permanently lost. >> there are some people think it's term nently lost, that we've been on this trend and americans over time get more cynical. i don't think it's true. i think it's deservedly lost. they have a lot of crisis and catastrophe and crisis. we watched a housing bubble grow that was $8 trillion. and all kinds of predatory practices in the lending market. and no one really got out ahead of it enough to stop the crisis from coming. so in the aftermath of the crisis discredited government, the private sector. i think the distrust a rashl reaction to poor institutional performance. >> we cannot sustain this, voices saying it's being built
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on a deck of cards. whose voices were those and why were they not listened to? >> it's a good question. there's a similar situation in the runup to iraq. there were people who were saying, we don't have that much evidence actually. and the intelligence being overblown. they were swept aside as well. one of the things i look at it the book, the incentives for profit were so large. when you take a deep dive into the institutions that were subprime lenders like countrywide, for a time. people in the organize were aware -- making so much money coming in that the incentives kept people doing it. it's really hard to patrol the line between performance and cheating and we saw that. a lot of institutions doing lending during the housing bubble. >> you describe america kracy
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and started in britten. it's a concept our founding fathered seemed comfortable, hard work, will elevate certain individuals over others. how has that concept gone wrong? >> the basic idea is that in america, we make a distinction between equality of opportunity and equality of outcomes. we want the rules to be fair and square. we want there to be a level playing field, the metaphor we all use. what we've seen over the same period of time that we've accepted the social, which says, we're not going to bar people entry from the american elite because of gender or race or ethnicity or religious creed. we don't have an old white was p northeastern establishment. people from different backgrounds get to compete and the system puts them in charge, the ones who get the outside rewards. barack obama is the crowning
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achievement of that system in many ways. there is no other social order in the history of america under which barack obama, a man with that name, that back ground, that skin color could be the president of the united states. at the same time, what we've seen is during that 30-year 40-year period we adomted this as a social model. we've seen a radical increase in inequality and this gets less reported a decline in social mobility. >> you talk about the .1% and how they became richer, more profitable because of that. then you take it even down further to the .01% and these folks are nine times more wealthy than they were when they started out 35 years ago or so. how do you explain that? >> i'm glad you brought that up. the startling fact isn't just that the rich are doing better than everyone else. it's the size of the gains that have gone to a smaller and smaller group. as you narrow in the 1%, .1%,
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you find that the gains get bigger and bigger. right? there's this tremendous concentration at the top and the concentration at the top i think is producing per verse incentives and fosters a constant churning status obsession. >> you've been described as a hipster from your colleagues. you seriously have. how much do you think that has to do with those glasses that you wear? >> the strange thing about becoming a quasipublic figure, you watch a perception of yourself emerge that doesn't feel recognizable or feels alien to you. i think of myself as someone who grew up in the bronx and likes to play pickup basketball. i think there's -- i think yes, there's an image because of the glasses of this sort of nerdy hipster character. >> okay. well, that is our own chris hayes. our nerdy hipster character
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across the studio. did you like it? was it weird to watch yourself talking? >> i try to not watch myself talk. you did a great job editing. make it look better than it sounded live. >> not true, it was really good. we're going to continue our conversation at 1:00. but it was fun to have you watching, i was watching, you chris. we will talk about his talk about inspiring hope and change and how he did that in the last go round in the campaign and youth vote, absolutely pivotal and chris will share his thoughts. and when he bikes to work too. that's chris, our hipster, biking to work. thank you, chris, four watching. up next, the sandusky trial, his lawyers claim he has a personality disorder, but is that any kind of defense? don't get me going. [ female announcer ] did you know the average person smiles
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evidence in the sandusky trial. the prosecution expects the case to wrap up soon.live, joey jack and former defense attorney care rin desoet toe. both will agree it's good i'm not an attorney. let's talk about what the judge said that the defense could present expert testimony about a personality disorder. she says dripping with sarcasm. this could explain some of his activities. does it fit that he has a personality disorder, karen? some something that you think is a legit defense? >> at this point as a defense attorney, you've got to say something. you've got to have a defense. why not a personality disorder. i think it hurts him because part of the histrionic defense is they wanted attention. i think that's worse for somebody being accused of ped feel i can't. i would have put an expert on and i think you will hear testimony that he doesn't fit the profile of histrionic but
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fits the profile of a pedophile with building trust and buying gifts and absent father. that profile is for a pedophile, not for histrionic. a day before father's day that those fathers out there, your children are at risk if you're not around. >> you do make a point there. >> the judge's order also says, joey, that sandusky must make himself available to prosecutors for preparation of rebuttal psychological testimony. >> listen -- >> is that unusual? >> it is usual. as karen said, you've got to say something as a defense attorney here. this is a very difficult case to defend because it's not sympathetic at all. you hear of horror of these witnesses. >> repeatedly. >> regarding graphic details about what he did. and the problem alex, is this, the personality disorder issue in my view goes more towards sentencing when you're guilty to explain or justify, not so much the conduct but why you would have engaged in it.
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it's more, i'm guilty but this provides a reasonable excuse as to why i did what i did. i don't think it justifies in terms of legally why he took the actions he did against these poor children. >> do you think the defense attorneys are saying, we have to figure out something here? >> i think they've been doing that during the cross-examinations, if you look at the trial, usually you cross-examination and the purpose is to get to them and make the verasty of what they are saying less likely, you're financially motivated? no, what are you hear for? >> because your client abused me. they made admissions during cross that was devastating. >> the prosecutor was probably smiling during cross-examination. >> they played part of the interview he gave to bob costas in court. let's listen to this. >> are you sexually attracted to young boys, underage boys? >> am i sexually attracted to under age boys? >> yes. >> sexually attracted -- i enjoy
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young people, i love to be around them. i -- but no, i'm not sexually attracted to young boys. >> bad idea to do that interview. >> ew, really. if you had joey jackson or me as an attorney, keep your mouth shut. this is going to be played at your trial. how many more ways can we say this? >> the other thing, alex, karen, when he's talking about this, where's the outrage and indig nation, if somebody said that to a normal person, they would say absolutely no, are you kidding me? what kind of question like that? sexually attracted, that's not a denial. >> the question too, when anyone repeats a question back to you and they have to think, that's a sign they are lying? >> that's good. i'll be listening to that. >> the revolution gave him the
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"today" is dramatic and historic day in egypt. voter also decide who will replace their old regime. many now fear the changes either candidate might bring. richard engel is in cairo with what's happening right now. good day to you, richard. >> reporter: good day. so far voting has been peaceful, but as you say, both of these options very different and egyptians are incredibly divided right now. supporting president mubarak's last -- and the muslim brotherhood, if the muslim brotherhood comes to power, it
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will be a new kind of egypt under islamic law. do they want somebody from the old regime, which means maybe their revolution didn't mean anything and they have just replaced one with another. tough, tough choices and the outcome will change the course of the state. >> since you know the election so well, has there been anyone with which the u.s. has indicated they have preferred to work with so far? >> the united states isn't saying it publicly, but i can pretty much guarantee that the united states would pref-- chan things like a peace treaty with
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israel. the u.s. isn't going to say that, but i can pretty much guarantee you that that's what the u.s. preference would b the changes that would take place, he would definitely take a hard line against any future protests under the muslim brotherhood. it's anybody's guess what they might implement. they have talked already about some of their policies, they want to improve their relationship with the arab world, lower things like the marriage age for women to 14, make it more difficult for women to get divorces, a lot of christians are concerned about the muslim brotherhood's rise to power. so this country is definitely at a crossroads. that is a wrap of this weekend's edition of alex witt.
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