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colleague and tom patriot, so i don't want to celebrate too loudly. >> so, you wouldn't want to do a big spiked rugby dance. >> rugby players don't do that. >> so, there's no rugby dance. >> absolutely. >> like this right here. >> indeed. >> show starts now. good tuesday afternoon to you. today's big story. jobs for grads. 2.5 million of them hoping to join the american workforce this summer. the class of 2012 began its journey when our economy began its collapse. as a result, grads are facing an uphill battle. the unemployment rate for this group of americans, 9.4% and while the odds are not in their favor, there are plenty of grad yats and the rest of us can do to help with this problem. long gone are the days when you
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could walk out with a job and stay with that company for 30 years. the best chance of getting your foot in the door is the same as it's always been. networking and who you know. we start with senior editor of monster worldwide along with chris ferrell. his latest article, college graduates best job bet, word of mouth. in this week's print edition. charles, do you agree with that? >> i do agree that who you know is has always been important, actually. s in nothing knew. hiring has always been done on the basis of reputation and what hiring managers can find out about you and who your connections are. the interesting thing that's happening now is the powerful tools that the internet and social media is putting in front of people, so anyone can use digital platforms, social platforms like for instance, monster's facebook a.pp.
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>> and chris, do you agree with that particular interpretation? in other words, that the currency of career historically is the quality of the relationship and the ability to get access to the right people and places and information and that the internet is basically making that dmoktizing that? >> i think that's the promise of the internet. i don't think that we're there yet and was talking to some career development officers and what they're telling the students is set up interviews. go talk to people. do face to face contact and yes, use these tools on the internet. it does a little bit, but boy, it's a world of follow through, networking, face to face contact. people are still trying to judge what is your character. >> and how do you reconcile those two things because when you look, charles, at the need
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for intimate belly to belly interactions in a relationship as oppose to a weak tie relationship, there are a lot of folks that have a bias towards one another and don't know how to use them together. >> right and i think chris makes a good point. young people especially, they miss out on that face to face part of it. they miss out on the face to face interaction and chris is absolutely right. this is still a very important part of it and he's right that young people especially need to make an effort to get out there. join industry groups in their area. find a mentor and do seek out those informational interviews. if you could ask someone for 15 minutes of their time and that time is used to ask them how they get started, what their advice is, that could be a very valuable tool both for the young person and it's really flattering for the manager as well. it's something that can do them both some good. >> chris, we're not talking about a new problem.
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this has been the story of fiction and film and nonfiction for as long as there have been young people. probably the graduate, one of the most famous of the whole plastics line, context yulize this year's class of graduates and their particular malaise or challenges with the sort of status of graduates throughout history. >> or now statistics, right? >> networking, yes. >> well, you know, part of the story evolved from i graduated in the mid 1970s after what was the worst downturn since the 1930s. graduate school in the '80s. my sense is, not much has changed. in other words, that being a graduate is scary. it is exciting. it is frustrating. >> it's all those things. a list of things for you to do. you probably don't want to do any of them. on and on.
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is that right? >> but i really agree with what charles is saying. visit with people. talk to them. you're interested in entrepreneurship, set up some meetings with entrepreneurs. people love to meet with young college graduates. these soft interviews can often lead to your best connection. that's how i got my first job with someone saying you know, i know someone who has a start-up company. why don't you go talk to them? it took me several months to get to that interview, but you are still lerping along the way. the past 40 years have been b really from information technology point of view, stunning with the internet and mobile internet and yet, this job market still seems to be in an older era. >> if you look at from your perspective, charles, the classic graduate of excitement
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and terror, what is i guess is your final interpretation as we run at least this tv segment down to recognize those factors? >> i think what's important for young people to do is really make sure they are channelling that excitement into work that will benefit them in the long-term and here's the thing. you don't have to wait for a job offer to start your career and to start being active in your career. if you want to be a journalist, start blogging, meeting people. if you want to be an engineer, start designing things. talk to people about what you're doing. if you want to be an entrepreneur, start coming up with business ideas. don't wait for that golden ticket for the company that comes with a paycheck and title you want. start now. even if that means looking for volunteerships or internships, these are the things that will set you up for long-term career success. there's never a time to take a
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break from what your passions are. >> wonderful to have both of you and congratulations on the cover. networking. they've got to do a remake of the graduate now. coming up on the dr show, diamond jubilee, jpmorgan ceo testifying today. plus, 40 years after watergate, could the journalism that rocked washington happen today and then later, one of the key things we've all learned along the road to this final week of the dr show, it all starts with the right first step. meet two guests whose analysis and approach in their first step before they plan any health care makes us all say wow. our cloud is not soft and fluffy. our cloud is made of bedrock. concrete. and steel. our cloud is the smartest brains
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jamie dimon back on the hill today. did not give as warm a welcome as the folks in senate did last week. >> are we going to ask witness to take an oath or has that process been waved here? >> we've never done that in my mi mind, i see in reason at this hearing to do what we have not done in several years. >> i object to that, sir. >> are you too big to fail? >> after you lost all that money in london, i expect the creditors would be reluctant. >> all american banks are better capitaltized -- >> that wasn't the question.
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that's not the question. please don't filibuster. >> if it's only about the bottom line, you'd be loaning money on the corner of a street some place. >> well, that's a lot of fire and brimstone coming from a committee whose members are financed by jpmorgan. 170,000 from jpmorgan's pack said employees from this election cycle, 80% of that from just one pack. not to mention committee chair spencer bachus has received nearly $100,000 from dimon's back alone over the course of his political career. in fact, banks are his top campaign contributors for 2012. and you wonder why this whole thing's kind of sideways. it's time for the final tuesday megapanel. the belief, karen, there really is the belief that if you say a lot of stuff on tv that sounds
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mean and then take a lot of money and don't do anything about the actual mean things happening like lack of capital requirements or giant banks or tax code, the list is many years old now. they actually believe this is a good leadership strategy. i'm just interpreting what i see on tv at this point cht. >> i'm not sure if they believe it's a good leadership strategy. here's what happens. all of that theatre is really for the cameras and news media back home. right. so the headlines that will appear in their local newspapers will be about the tough questions that they asked or the grilling that they gave. they'll be, there's somebody probably right now in those congressional offices taking clips that they're feeding back to the local television stations. so that it looks and sounds like hey, he was really tough on him. >> jimmy, are you sure you want to ask me this? >> yeah, i do.
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>> is there like a deal where it's like listen, i'm going to give you, i'm jamie dimon. i'm going give you some money. you are to feel free to go on tv, call me a doofus, a criminal, do whatever you got to do so that you can make your silly tv commercials back home. you're not however going to change any of the rules around here and you're free to call me names as long as you don't change the rules and i'll keep writing you checks. i know the words are never shared. >> welcome to washington. >> but welcome to washington. >> it is not a perfect system. but it's the one we got. i think they sensed the the money was pretty interesting. i watched part of it, i found a couple of lobbyists in the room as well and the one thing that stood out was that barney frank asked mr. dimon about his call
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back. in the same testimony last week, he had said that it would extend to people in london and elsewhere. so today, ranking member frank said what about you and jamie's response was the board decides by comp. a, he sits on the board. b, the comp committee decides his comp and c, doesn't that go straight to -- and by the way, that's the way it's done pretty much everywhere and doesn't this go straight to the point something you and i have worked on in the past. boards are nothing more than just country clubs and they just rubber stamp everything. boards have to take better responsibility and do their jobs. >> and were never held to account for the risk management in 2008. >> guess what? >> so, we know we have the reality gap here. which is -- >> although there was something that the house members learned.
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they learned from the house members last week that they got grilled for being too nice to dimon, so they learned they had to put on a show. and then the other teachable moment was they had to be a little more prepared with their questions, so yes, barney frank asked a better question than last week, but after that, the show is over. >> it's an interesting time as we look at the statement, american journal israism, polit we are presented with an opportunity to reflect the 40th anniversary of watergate is upon us. chuck todd -- >> one of the things that comes through like thunder is that nixon misunderstood the presidency. that the presidency is an opportunity for the leader to do good. what's the job definition of being president? and it is essentially to define
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the next stage of good for the majority of people in the country that don't have a plan and get there. listen to these tapes and there's no such -- >> the important thing is that this was all -- were against history. a massive campaign of espionage and sabotage and covert, illegal, unconstitutional, dominated and engineered by the president of the united states. >> so those tapes just part of the wide ranging investigation american journalism uncoveringing political corruption. all these years later when our media often reports talking points over the truth and when the audience picks their own facts to decide what they want to believe no matter what color the sky may be that day, is that really the root of why we have politics where they don't change laws, you've just got to put on
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a good show because there is no mechanism of accountability where as now you can get any story you want. >> news media is a business. first and foremost. and that means you're not paying for investigative journalism. a lot of journalists are not only worried about getting scooped by their rivals, but by themselves. sometimes, they'reor story on a. >> the whole theatre reporting is counterproductive. and now, they're fed so much information, they don't have to go seeking the information because they're fed from different people. so maybe they got a breaking story and have to do it right away or they're worried their source is going to give it to somebody else. >> karen? >> i remember when i first started in this business, you had to have two sources on the record in order to print something in the paper. isn't that so cute?
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but i think the reporters themselves are accountable, but so are the news editors and the people in our, the people who make the decisions about what gets on the front page of the paper and on the air. it's a business. they're responding to what they think their editors want and that's part of why frankly, i had such a problem of what happened in the rose garden. it wasn't just that he interrupted the president, but the question that he threw out was why are you putting foreigners ahead of americans? i'm sorry, but that question has nothing to do with understanding immigration policy or what the president was trying announce cht that was shojournalism at i worst, designed to get a reaction. it wasn't about trying to say we've got this many young people and here's what the issue is. could have asked a question well the timing of this sure is
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interesting, mr. president. >> here's the thing. there's a belief, a social covenant in this country, which while it's not always kept, it is widely believed. and that is that there is honorable intent by a preponderance of the people in the country. maybe not everybody, but we generally function under the belief that whether it's the government officials, media, bankers, butchers, doctors, lawyers, candle stick maker, generally, it's done with honorable intent and it feels to me that we're not, that we've lost that. in other words, the scandal of the woodward thing, presumption of honorable intent, decency in the culture of how we reality to each other, so the shock to know that the president would behave this way, i feel that now the culture, like nobody has
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honorable intent, so of course everybody's a bunch of lying criminals. and that's too cynical. >> part of the legacy, no one could believe they kept deep flo throat such a secret for so long. >> you get the last word. >> i'm reminded, just throw out a few names that people trusted. the countries trusted. walter cronkite. roger mud. tom brokaw. john chancellor. those are old style reporters. i mean, country didn't know -- was a cripple. because the press didn't say it. why can't we trust the people doing this today and the reason you can't is because it's 24/7. >> the fact of the papering of the walls with information. >> and you expect that every newspaper has a political bias.
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and it's oh, do you know about this way. >> having been at cnbc for years prior where the presumption was that i was a conservative wild man and then the past three years at msnbc where i'm a liberal, maniacal pinko, presented -- but what's interesting is you can see the difference, listen to the words that come out of your mouth and the people that look at the brand attach ed to where ever yu work. and it's for or against -- this is not a sport. >> i think it means that we've got to take responsibility as consumers, look at multiple sources of information because if we don't, then we are self-segregating to hear and
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read and see only what is going to reenforce what we think we think and believe and now that we're in a world where they are so many different opinions, so many different facts out there, we've got to be more accountable. >> and sue and i were talking about this in the makeup room before we came out and we were saying -- basically, human beings are entitled to their own facts. we're fruitcakes, right? so we got this back of our brain and like oh, i'm on mars even though you're not. but the earth doesn't have its own facts, right? so while the human beings have their own facts, the actual available food, available energy resources, actually health and learning, actual opportunity is not in something that we imagine in our heads. it's a measurable thing that we are not measuring and because we don't want to know. >> it's easier not to know. >> which is sort of the point of this whole show. >> always better. >> i didn't say it was better.
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>> i know. >> the panel say straight ahead. developing this afternoon, g-20 news. leaders set to back a new plan for the euro zone. our specialist will share his guide to surviving, investing in times when basically neither the government nor the banks nor the media really want to talk about what's going on in that old capital market of ours. seeing how you know, kind of an empty box. [ thunk ] sweet! [ male announcer ] the solid thunk of the door on the jetta. thanks, mister! [ meow ] [ male announcer ] another example of volkswagen quality. that's the power of german engineering. right now lease the 2012 jetta for $159 a month. visit vwdealer.com today.
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the president set to sit down with the president of china, america's biggest foreign investor. this as the g-20 wraps up in mexico. world leaders are expected to endorse a plan for global growth and increased integration in the euro zone. the details of that will be everything because anybody can write that sentence. the euro zone crisis of course has dominated these talks with
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greece's struggles and really all of southern europe. not to mention a tax bill for northern europe all rooting back to a financial scream begined up in '99 by bob reuben and company. so as everybody tries to play hall of mirrors, don't look to the left and don't look to the right, blame the greeks, the germans, who did it? yeah, that's a great way to solve the problem, guys. in this type of a market where banks have inside information, what is the average investor to do? our specialist is here with tip with your shirt and maybe a little more. a bold assertion from a market that hasn't returned a penny in ten years to the average retail investor. john talbot, at ucla's anderson
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school of management, author of -- do you think that there would be an investment market if we weren't forced into our 401(k) markets? if anybody would even bother at this point? >> i run a small advisory business at stoptheline.com and i learn a tremendous amount from my smaller middle class clients and i can't figure out why they have their money with the merrill lynches and morgan stanleys of the world. not only did they lose their wealth and stock portfolio during the crash, but these traditional brokers are giving bad advice on how to weather a tough inflationary time and they're charging them 1, 1. 5, 2% a year. to the extent they're pushed into holding assets and 401(k)s
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are limited, yeah, that obviously helps the brokerage community tremendously. >> you put it together with the brand value of the firms, the prestige who feel good because they see the commercial, that's where rich people keep their money, and the tax advantage that the banks basically lobby to get people to push money into the stock market and finding a small adviser or doing anything else, it's almost easier to leave the money in. >> if you can't trust your government, can which most people don't and the banks and no one does anymore, what are your options? you can't just keep your money under your mattress or can you? if you're just saving for your retirement, which most people are hoping to get out of their investment, what are they supposed to do? >> let me tell you how bad the advice is that wall street tells these middle income investors.
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that the people call their broker and say i'm a little nervous about the market. i've heard the news on greece and spain. i'd like to minimize my exposure and lower my voltity. the broker says move more into long bonds, the worst possible investment if you have inflation coming. so they do that and lose money and they call back and say i've had it with bonds and stocks. put me in cash and the brocker put its into a money market fund, long bonds, and they won't tell them. i think the thing is totally corrupt and time to pull money back from these bankers and broke brokers. >> during this crisis, had the, you're saying we shouldn't trust the big guys, the smaller brokerage firms, medium sized, didn't they kind of suffer because of the bigger banks so how do as a consumer, how would i figure out who i can trust and
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who's got the better advice? >> it's a good question. you prum the big guys have the good advice. i worked on wall street for goldman sachs for nine years and didn't see their portfolio outperformed anybody's. when we did have a good idea, we gave it to our biggest institutional clients. you're not going to get it from the big guys and the small guys are so far out of the loop, it's a joke to think they can predict the market. >> so how do you solve these problems? listen, we're with you, john. listen, what do you want us to do here, man? >> i hate to tell you to read the book, but the end of the book is to get out of a financial securities. that financial securities now because of this lack of trust and because of these enormous fees they're taking out of these index funds, it doesn't make
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sense to be holding securities. so you should be movingassets, leverage up. not 95%, but have at least 80% debt on your home because if inflation coming back, you want to be a borrower. you want to repay your creditors in more worthless dollars in the future and you want to look at other assets. apartment, condominiums and even gold. god ha as place in your portfolio in a place. last year, i took everything out of my retirement. everything. and i put it all into my house. i put an addition on my house. redid my house. added a new roof. stone walls. you name it. why? because i'm going to live in this house and i'm going to live in this house for the next 30 years and that house, when i hit it, kick it 30 years from now,
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is going to be worth a hell of a lot more than the stock market or whatever's going to happen there. sfwl the thing with houses or anything else, inflation hit, the house goes up in value. the cash goes down in value. that's what i think people fail to aappreciate. they are hiding in bonds and catch. which they think is safe. is that correct, john? >> that's right. there have been academic studies on what happens to stocks and bonds with unanticipated inflation. if rates go from 3 to 8%, the value of a 30-year bond increases by half. you can say i'll hold it till maturity, but it's going to cost $2,000 to call home. stocks it's sprying. they also lose purchasing power and that's surprising because you are buying real, physical plant inventory factories, but studies have shown that common
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stocks don't do well with inflation. the only thing that does well with inflation is real estate and it makes sense. you're not making money. you're just staying even on a purchasing power basis, but the debt doesn't grow over time. so you make a lot of money on your equity down payment. >> thanks for the time and reality check. the book, survival investing, how to prosper amid thieving banks and governments. only things that you can walk on, sit on or drop on your foot. yes. sleep in. nice to see you guys. see you on thursday. straight ahead, the force is strong with this one. how this mini darth vader is winning over hearts across the country once again. ♪
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now through friday, we wrap up this phase of our journey. we are getting ready for the next, when ultimately, my goal and i hope yours along with everyone else, will be to take everything that we have been taught and learned here on the dr show over the past three years and begin to turn it into action as so many community heroes have done. throughout the week, we're introducing or reintroducing the community heroes who proef we can get a lot more for a lot less by changing the culture of how we work with each other and delivering results that make you go wow. today's wow stat, better outcomes for lower costs. the international union of operating, a union health network adopting new practices.
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insurance costs were rising nearly 11% each year. over all, they felt 10% during the three year time, anybody can cult health care costs. it's not that hard, but to reduce health care costs while increasing health outcomes never happens. how? the unions have identified the members whose health care costs the most and then is set about developing custom plan to approve their health at a fraction of the price. think of it as first step practices. familiar to a lot, but we've got the how and the wow. the question is how do we do more of it now? breaking it down with us, mark,
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alo along with naomi, who's director at the camden coalition of health providers. and one of the first really pioneer this idea of hot spotting in health care to identify the sick first and customize plans to crete them. martha, why do you think we're not seeing more people do this where you can save money in a health care network and at the same time, increase your health outcomes. and how to help them become healthy. why are we not seeing more of that? >> that's a good question. you look at the patients themselves when they're dealing with a health care issue, it's overwhelming for them and their families. you go to the internet -- good
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outcome, that's what we did. took them by the hand with a program and gave them the information. i think it's available out there. i think there's access to this information through programs that really help individuals to get there. i don't know why it's not happening. >> it's not a rules and regular laces, almost like a culture problem. the tool to do it is actually deciding it before your plan your health care. replan, plan, plan, all the medicine, all the things we're going to do, but we're doing this planning, but if we were in the marine corps, they would laugh at us. you and dr. brener have been pioneers and you probably have a better sense is so, why we're so slow to see the change you're
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modeli modeling. >> i think a lot of i have has to do with the fact that health care is reactionary, so if you think about your doctor's office, you call and you go when you're sick. now, if your doctor's office were like any other company in the world, it would be proactive in getting to you before you're sick, right? you know the airlines know your flight patterns amazon knows everything you buy hours before you buy it. and what a doctor's office needs to be is a paradigm -- and like the local union did, identify ing those people who need help instead of having them go to the emergency department where the care is going to be much more
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coa costly. >> it's amazing when you get and understand really how simple it is, if you find the right people who need the most help may become healthier and health care costs go down, are you impressed by the old culture, is it preserving itself even though it doesn't cost a lot of money. >> i think that we really need to educate. people need to be more educated. making sure that they're educated, access and make good information about the decisions. about the treatment plans they're given. they're number one in a decision making process for health care.
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>> most of us in the world are not a member of the 49ers union. they're not a beneficiary with dr. brener and there's other examples of this, sort of new thought in a world of, if you look at the accessibility for more -- any other normal, say healthy patient, the type of information that's out, that you are kcustodians and nobody's walking in the room saying, you've got to get in front of
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these three problems as you were saying. if we want to be healthy and we're bankrupting ourselves paying for health care, why are we not toing this. >> because it's hard. i think martha said something very important and she used the word we reach out and we give people hand. to do this work takes proactive, thoughtful work and you have to reach out and touch the people that need the most help. it's far easier to do things that are an inch deep and a mile wide for example you know, calling everybody on the phone and reminding them to take their vitamins. that's cheap and easy. you can have people in a phone booth doing that. i think you need to fundament fundamentally change the way you deliver care. our system isn't set up to incentivise providers to behave that way.
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doctors are encouraged just to run from room to room. that's what they're paid to do. they're not paid to be proactive. >> once as the culture changes, ultimately, the way we mission, direct and compensate our health professionals is out of the line with the culture the two of you are practicing right now, it seems. fair? >> yes. >> thank you for teaching me and i hope to continue to learn more about this and help others learn how to do it. and it's really actually inspiring because you can get frustrated and think there's nothing to be done and meet you two and oh, they're already doing it. so thank you gois and congratulations for showing us how to get stuff like this done. >> thanks, dylan. >> thank you. >> check them out on the internet. camden coalition and the 49ers union. next up here, some "hardball." new campaign strategy for the
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now david goodfriend will receive the floor of this broadcast for one final time. >> well, folks, this is the last week of "the dylan ratigan show", which means this is the last rant i will ever deliver. we've had some great times together. thanks to this show, i've been able to rant against some of the
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most powerful interests on the planet cht. you know, you just can't ask for a better poster child than niese oil guys. the national rifle association has blooden its hands. americans are dead. because of what the nra has done. at a time when every public schoolteacher in america is having to learn how to do more with less, bloated bureaucracy of the pentagon can do the same thing. at&t's quest to gobble up t mobile. there is no better example of money in politics. sometimes, the best thing for the american economy to tell those big boys no. >> i ranted just a little too hard and lost -- blown my top. i am sick of conservatives giving tax breaks cronies.
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what would my grandfather say about the behavior of banks? learn from history. save capitalism by strengthening its morality, but since he's no longer with us, i'll say it for him. >> okay, so maybe i got a little passiona passionate, just let those anger management lessons slide for r a mu minutes, but if you're not ticked off, you're probably not paying attention. >> so, what's going on here? come on. let's do it. too evil? to seedy? but please, oh, the humanity. >> so, there's a message in here for you. if a wisened, cynical, disillusioned washington lawyer lobiest like me can get on tv and rant, then you can dig deep, find your inner dylan ratigan and take action. we're going to miss you, stay
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touch and keep ranting. >> the way i got this gig is because somebody heard me on the subway. >> i think i heard you in washington. >> i've been saying these things forever and finally somebody at msnbc was like why don't you say it to the camera? the fact of the matter is as you know, i'm hardly going away. if anything, i'm just going to open up a little skunk works over here to come back with something more on the thing of show, don't tell. >> well, it's been an honor being on the show with you. we look forward to your next rant. >> well, you've made it better and nobody knows, i'm a ph.d. because of you. i'm going to look at you every time and think of my gratitude for that. which was explained another time. any way, thank you very much, david. talk to you soon. >> thank you, dylan. >> that will do it for us today.

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