take place. >> you brought up an interesting point and we should address it. to what do you attribute the performance of your offspring? >> well, genetics, clearly. >> are you sure? congratulations. you must feel remarkably -- must be very rewarding, satisfied and proud. >> i am. but equally, dill ben. you know and i represent the executive producer of our show and the other colleagues, we're all really quite sad to see you go and you know at any moment in the future when you feel inclined to come back, there is a seat just there. i know it's not the guilded seat you currently sit in, but thait there and you will always be welcome on this broadcast. >> i will skype you from my urt. and the show starts now. >> yes.

beautiful friday afternoon to you. i am dylan ratigan. exciting day around here. lots of changes. today, the last time that you and i will be able to meet in this particular fashion for this particular version of this particular conversation. so, it is appropriate that our final big story is our last wow stat. our last evidence that it is possible to get way more of everything for way less if we simply decide to change how we do things. we talked about the farmers, the teaching, health networks. david kennedy sat here yesterday and explained you can reduce shooting by 60%. it's about resources, how you do it. an entire nation is showing us how to do that with sustainable energy. i want you to imagine that 20% of a nation's entire energy usage was produced by renewable

sources. not by some government plan, either. germany, not the sunniest planet, is proving that exactly this is possible. in fact, germany holds the world record for solar production. they've achieved as much as 50% of their overall production of electricity from distributed solar on the houses. obviously when the sun is out. how? widely distributed power in their culture. they correlate freedom to self-generated power from the ground up and if 20% doesn't sound like much for you for comparison, here in the united states, only 9% of our energy comes from renewables. don't blame the government. it's not the republicans' fault or democrats'. they did it because the culture in germany was a cultural shift. not a government shift. germany now produces as much energy from solar panels and

wind turbines as what comes from 20 nuclear power stations and less than a tenth comes from the nation's four big utility companies to reenforce my point. this is not a top down strategy. 65% of the power in germany is self-generated by either individuals or communities not the government. this is an energy revolution. a cultural revolution being generated by individual citizens as a matter of social status, social pride, as a matter of their own sense of independence. you're not a man if you can't make your own electricity in germany and while merkel's government has accommodated the culture by allowing individuals to sell power back up on to the grid, that change in rules in the government is merely a reaction to the cultural demand of the german people. in fact, since chernobyl, their culture knows all too well the

dangers of top down energy, including nuclear. they boarded up half of their nuclear plants after the fukushima disaster. look at the goals. renewable production, 35%. distributed. 2020 to 80% by 2050 and a 50% cut in consumption by 2050. this is about a decision of how to live and joining us now is arna, and everybody believes, they look at germany and say that's because the german government was so brilliant and had this big plan and everybody did it. you and i spoke on the phone a couple of days ago and that is not the case. what's going on over there? >> thank you for having me. the case is that this has been long-term in the making. there's a wide political agreement going for renewable energies is a valued study and

good for the environment. germany imports a lot of its resources. we import coal to produce electricity. and it's just common sense to produce clean energy at home. use it with your farmers, tech niss, bring people to work to isolate houses. and i think that's what we see right now in germany is a long-term approach, there's a lot of certainty in this development and it has brought political backing. >> it's interesting to look at the correlation between the concept of freedom or theof ind. the concept of being able to take care of yourself. with generating your own electricity. where does is that born in the count country? >> i think a lot of germans are they not only want to produce clean power, but do it on their own. the big utilities, they have old coal plans, old nuclear plans

and they are reasonable for high prices on the energy market and a lot of germans be the progressive or conservative, they think it's better to do that on your own. so what you see for example, you're shown some of those nice pictures from german countries. there are hundreds of villages moving towards 100% renewable energy consumption and this is something that brings the community together. people go together and 95% of all villages are part of this energy co-op they found to move on and invest in a wind park, so i think that's a very good development. >> what is the barrier to america doing more of this or for that matter, brazil or india or any other nation in the world and why are we not seeing more of it? >> that's a good question, dylan. the united states of america has great resources when it comes to solar, wind. when it comes to biomass.

for example, germany is currently the world leader in -- as you have mentioned. we have sunny days when basically half of the countries run on -- but germany is as sunny as alaska, so just think about it. if you had solar penetration in arizona, california, where out of the same panel, you get twice the amount of electricity. i think the united states has a great potential to move forward. there are some politics, policy constraints, why that is not happening at the same speed as germany, but i think there's an opportunity to break that up. >> the biggest would be u that the german government would allow a citizen to sell power back to the grill, where as an american utility will allow an american to do it as a hobby, but they can't actually create a revenue stream if they produce ten times more electricity. >> correct. if you want to invest in a wind park, you can do that and the grid of the radar has to bialek

tristy. the contract is two pages long. over here, it's much more difficult. the contracts are 70 to 80 pages long and often the grid, sorry, we can't buy your electricity, not for us. so i think it's really done in an easy way in germany that people can produce their own power and be part of the national grid. >> it's been interesting this week going back to the first conversation with the marine sergeant who had $1250 month water bill, colin, on monday. figured out how to produce twice as much food, soil and water. we had martha, runs a health care union in the midwest. figured out how to use networks hot spotting to identify the sickest people, treat them earlier and reduce their health care costs. all these examples which we'll talk about. the interesting thing about them

is that they seem to be more determined by the culture of the people themselves than by who is in charge of the government. is that a fair assessment? >> at least for the german, the energy case, that is definitely the case. if you go to germany and my group, we do these transatlantic dialogues and bring americans over to germany and the other way around and my american friends that go there, they are impressed with what they see because they see citizens are engaged. they do the business on their own. they want to do this. and it's a certain mentality and it's a good spirit. it's not like everything is rosy or perfect over there. we have our problems. the not in my backyard issue. in general, there's a more open mentality to do things to get going and to work together in your community. >> thank you for giving us a little bit better of on

understanding and for letting me use the work of your country men and the folks in germany as a great model simply by deciding to do it. so thank you for that as well. >> thank you very much for having me and good luck. >> thank you, sir. much more ahead on the last of our dr shows. when anyone leaves a job, of course, they are subjected to an exit interview and this will be no different. ari is the man to do the job and he joins us with the exit interview after this. our cloud is not soft and fluffy. our cloud is made of bedrock.

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we are back now on the final dr show. today, i have the exclusive exit interview with the man who has been at the helm here for three

years, two road tours, 27 cities an a "new york times" best-selling book, mr. dylan ratigan. thank you for being here for your exit interview. >> thank you for coming in to conduct said interview. >> happy to do it and it's an exciting, but bittersweet time. >> whose behalf would you say you're here? phil griffin's behalf? audience? >> i'll go with the audience and i am going to conduct the interview, although i know that is your nature. the first question is what have you learned here in your time now at bloomberg and msnbc, cnbc and writing a book? >> for me, the greatest misconception that i had coming into this job was arguing about rules and resources and about what we didn't have was of value. and three years later and the realization that we do know what to do, we don't all know, but there are individuals doing what we need to do with food, health, education, et cetera, we're just

not doing it and no political party e wants to talk about it. i thought we didn't know what to do three years ago, so the biggest thing that i've learned is that we do know what to do, or at least individuals do, we're just not doing it because it's not how we've done it and the real question is why. why are we not doing it? and people say, oh, it's because of the rules. well, the rules really don't prevent us from using sustainable hydroponic agriculture, fighting crime, it's our culture and i think the greatest lesson for me was that it is the culture of how we choose to relate to each other that actually is the most inf n influential component. best example, russian revolution, 1918. kill everybody, blood in the streets. culture before the revolution was the rich people worked with

the government to screw everybody over and then had a revolution to get rid of that. and it's like the economists, occupation took over and the culture afterwards was for the rich people to work, government to screw everybody over. when there's a tremendous amount of evidence that cultures that actually have a mission culture as opposed to a dominant seeking culture, that want to work with each other, are getting just stunning results. looking at the people that are here. >> so, did you learn -- did you learn these ideas from people you found through your media jobs? >> through the guests on this show. through prosecuting my own egointo this and my own wrote a book and all these things, these are really some of the big teachers here.

deepak, david, liz, who really is leading the way and showing the greatest generation. joe sestak, john hennesee -- not a yahoo. so it's interesting that you get to know those people. >> and what do you think makes people pay attention? you talk about your time basically in the center of the financial crisis. everyone was watching cnbc, but you had a different reaction to that. what was that? >> in terms of how i covered the financial crisis? >> and what it made you want to do? >> because i had a background at bloomberg and corporate finance, i had the liability of having an intimate understanding of the gears and machines of the financial system and as a result, it was immediately apparent to me and to those who i was talking to how massive the

theft this is being perpetrated and still is to this day. and believed that arguing about that would have some value, which i think perhaps in retrospect, it did. >> was it nieve? >> tremendously so. immensely nieve. immensely nieve. however, what i don't think is nieve is the awareness that people do as others do. they don't do as others say. and so, as we watched like the faces we were putting up, just a second ago and what they do, and if we pay more attention to what they're doing and how they're doing it, that it will change what we do. and those changes will give us the opportunity to abandon the old paradigm of tax and cut and

get closer and closer to a paradigm that is distributed power, but the debate is who decides and the availability of sustainable food and energy along with adaptive earning is going to increase. because of things being increasingly skcrewed up, so its hard to reck nile and see it as an optimistic thing. >> so, in the time you have been here with a big platform, i want to ask about your breakthroughs. later, we'll do a second segment and talk about the future. when did you feel like you were breaking through with any of this? >> breaking, what do you mean? >> you write this book, it's got the same sort of language that sometimes you use on the show and it's atop the best seller list for five weeks. was that a breakthrough for you or not enough? >> i would say that i have yet to feel like i've broken

through. >> why? >> because the apparent culture and system is one of directive extractive, predatory, dualistic lying scum bags and we have all these other people that are completely the opposite of that, this collective collaboration and right now, the power model at the top of our media, banks, politicians, models this sort of putrid, dominance seeking culture and ultimately, that's what we need to repair and what we're seeing repaired away from new york and washington in all the places that we've been able to visit and my goal is to obviously learn more about all that. >> so part of what you're saying is that the consumption of your media, your message, is not for you, success. it's actually changing something through the message. >> i feel like the reason to go to work is to try to help.

and helping, i interpreted helping myself as trying to explain complicated things. to large groups of people so they better understood how they were being lied to by the government and media. with the the banking system. and i don't want to diminish the value of informed awareness, but i think that the awareness has significantly increased over the past few years. >> let's jump to what we do about the awareness, if anything. in our next segment, which will be about a future instead of the past, which i feel is more you any way. we will have more of this exit interview, the last dylan ratigan interview, in a moment. ♪ hello...rings ♪ uh-huh... uh-huh... uh-huh... ♪ ♪ it kinda makes me miss the days when we ♪ ♪ used to rock the microphone ♪ back when our credit score couldn't get us a micro-loan ♪

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welcome back. now, we are going to turn to the question hopefully on everyone's

mind. what is dylan doing next? >> that's at least on my mother's mind. i can't speak for anybody else, but you're asking -- >> what are you doing next? >> mission analysis. so, we've got this huge thing, which is as we know, we've got to get a lot done and we know certain people are doing it. and we know that we have the skills to teach these things, to model these things, to show these things. not myself alone, but as a collective. and i know that if i stay here and host a cable tv show every day for the rest of the year, that it will be impossible for me to open the laboratory or whatever you call it to meet with people and figure out how to better teach model and show a lot of the things that folks have shone us. so you're kind of forced into a situation where you can stay and do one really awesome job, which is the one that i had the

benefit of having, or you can do something else, but you can't do both. when you find yourself in one of those situations, if you have clarity on what the other thing is or the goal, you don't know how to do it. if you have clarity on what the goal is and you know what you're doing is preventing you u from going to that goal, making the change the fairly easy. especially if the goal is just a continuation of the same crusade with more of a show don't tell. we want to show this. right now, i've been sitting in suits and taking a car service to midtown and all this nonsense. it's just talking. >> people are hearing that you've got a laboratory. >> metaphorical laboratory. i don't want people to think we have a building with bunsen burners. >> where is the laboratory going to be? >> i'll be in new york, california, texas. i will meet with teachers.

i'll meet based with something mean lful helping people not just learn about these things, but see and experience how to better apply some of these things in their own lives. >> so on a spectrum where one end is a business and one tries to generate change, where are you? >> i feel like there are certain things that i'd like to do that are clearly non-profit, direct pass through missions and there are other things in the production business. maybe in the consulting, like teaching and modeling are free

things. if you can teach people, information should be free or cheap because it is a prerequisite to any rational engagement with a group of people. so if you withhold information or awareness from any community to retain power or to make money, it strikes me as dishonorable. and so i think our goal is to try to make all these things more accessible, understandable, and more achievable and that the modeling should be done in a way, a sustainable. you don't want to be pulling assets out. so those are non-profit, but there are for profit. tv's a for profit business. i'll get back into tv. and i think there's an opportunity once you have a good understanding of where you are, to do a tremendous amount of work. >> you will be back in tv in some way. the question is, the mechanism? >> i don't get the privilege of

deciding whether i'll ever be back in tv. i have very good relationships with people here and there's a lot of folks in television i suppose in general and my goal is to be able to leave and come back to them with something that i believe is such a compelling product that they will, would love to put it on television, but that will be, that's for the future to determine. i have to get a product and they have to decide it makes sense for them to put it on tv. >> now, your time frame, people may not realize. you have one superhero power. that is old face. you have old face. which gives you -- >> you're saying i actually wear old face. >> but people who don't know you will may not know you are 40 years old. you were hosting shows on cnbc in your early 30s and stuff at bloomberg in your early 20s. you move fast. what is your time frame? three years, ten years?

>> we don't have that amount of time. you never know. you got to figure out, we will have skunk works, right, where we figure this out from now until after the election. at the minimum. considering how ambitious we are. 18 months at the maximum before we're really ready for prime time. i think -- the nature of the work, particular decision i make. >> and what is skunk works in a sense? >> skunk works is a place to conduct experiments, to teach, model and show how to get more for less. >> and you know i got to ask you these questions. it can't all be softball. >> this is easy. >> if someone watching said i hear your goals and i like the ideas, but i still don't know what you're really talking about, what this is. would that be deliberate? would they have a reason to be

confused? >> yeah. no, no. they should -- if you're confused, you should be. okay? but that's not because we don't know what we're doing. it's because in order to leave one thing to go show another thing, you end up with basically asymmetrical information by definition. meaning there are different people who know different amounts of things. i could come out here and give you a list of the people i'm going to meet with this summer and you can interpret this list. dylan's going to do this. dylan's going to start a farm. the reason i'm meeting with all these people is to figure out what the next best path is inside the privilege the ability of being able to return to places like this with potentially compelling products. if it's confusing, but it's more, for me, it's really actually thrilling.

this is the most exciting certainly professional point of my life. >> are you scared? >> no, but i was before. i was scared a few weeks ago. before the news was reported, i was very anxious. >> and what changed? >> sort of like jumping off a cliff or jumping into a pool. once you jump, you're just in the joy of the swim r or whatever the metaphor is. before you jump, you're thinking about jumping. i was going to go and i don't know, people, how this is going to work. but once it is actually just happening, it is remarkably less anxiety inducing, at least for me. >> have you heard from people who make your excited about it? >> the feedback loop is either outrage and dismay. what are you doing? or it is remarkable encouragement and enchoose yaz m because the opportunity to actually do these things and

listen. we've had government and people and influence manipulating each other to the debtriment of people. egyptians, pharaohs, samurai. for the first time in the history of the world though there's the level of connectivity and shared information that is giving us these incredible solutions and bypasses for power distortions that are being applied in every field and learning how to be more of that would seem to be the most honorable cause of our time. >> my last question isn't about you. it's about people watching in. in politics, we have the ask. i need you to register to vote, your phone number. money. if you had one ask for people who want to keep up with you after today, what would it be? >> we've redesigned the entire website to facilitate that. to take some time yourself, two

things, i guess. one, to take this summer to talk to yourself. that really is the big ask. deliberately not fight with each other. pretend that the people you hate may not be the devil for five minutes and ask them to explain to you their thoughts on health, learning, anything that you care about. and in the meantime, obviously, invite folks to go to the new website. the new dylan ratigan.com. these play books represent the best of all those people. david kennedy, collin, arne with germany. my hope is that folks will take some time to american more about

how they can get a lot more food, energy. learn a lot more. be a lot healthier and do it in a way that is predicated on stunningly simple and dare i say it, foolish ly simple changes that are proving remarkable increases in results. >> thank you for sharing this with us. thank you for asking me to do the exit interview, which is fun. fun and easy. and this is over. the show is not over yet. >> will you be my lawyer at skunk works? >> i'll think about it. i'm not going to make that decision this second. >> mission analysis. you never want to decide things. want to think about things. >> that's how you get to the right decision. and that's it. the show is not over. next up, we're going to see a little bit of the biff ratigan maneuver. he makes one last appearance with the bailout battle as it goes to the soccer pitch. coming up. we're at chicago's renowned saloon steak house

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silly before we get into the end of this thing. your sports reporter on the very last day of the dr show. some soccer for you, my friends. greece. you'll understand in a second. playing germany. not making this up in the euro cup. germany true to form, dominating the soccer match. the hard charging squad unrelenting in beating greece by two goals. now, much like in the soccer match, however, of course, the euro zone mess has pit the greek government and their austerity against the german government and demand the german taxpayer bail everybody out. but all of that is but a distraction from the true reality of our time. we have all been taught and learned together, even a sports caster like biff understands it now, that the greek and german

government are not indeed foes. rather, have both been on the receiving end of a failed economic experiment conceived in the late 1990s by bob reuben, alan greenspan, larry summers. and the world has been both benefitting through the credit creation of these men and been bankrupted by these men only to see unemployment, housing dysfunction and multitrillion dollar extraction riddle the earth in their wake. meanwhile, the german tax payers ask to bail everybody out and the two countries are told they should fight with each other and i'll take the hat off for this. the head of state in german and in greece really ought to call some folks in washington and new york and demand the martial

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you know we introduced and msnbc introduced to the world the four folks, that's right, the four folks that will be replacing your friendly neighborhood host, me. we promised today we would allow them to speak, so here they are. toure, steve, krystal and s.e., it's nice to have you guys back. what are your moms think about the fact you've got your own tv show? >> my mom is actually more excited that i'm dressed up right now. >> grown up clothes. >> now, you, i was sitting, i had the drink with phil griffin last night. how did you pick these guys? he's like, just -- and he's up until midnight, 2:00 in the morning writing some crazy thing, can't start writing until midnight. he writes all night. >> right now, i'm sticking with salon.

>> midnight to 2:00 a.m. hours? >> if i could live my entire life between the hours of 1:00 a.m. and 4:00 a.m., i would own the world. unfortunately, when i walk up, i crash. >> what about you, s.e.? how will your life change? >> i've always been really busy. >> is it going to keep going? >> i don't know how to say no so people ask me to do things, i say yes. i don't know how this happened. i need to say no more often. >> don't know how to say no. >> to work opportunity. i'm going to do as much i can. i genuinely like doing this kind of stuff. i'm really honored that i can do it with these three. >> hang on a second. they don't like you. >> who are they? >> the msnbc audience, if you did not know, does not like the conservative voice.

>> that's true. >> and s.e. represents that. >> but my voice is so great. i'll win them over. >> teasing. >> and here's what i've been saying, well, who wants to hear the same thing over and over again and if your world view is so fragile, maybe you should reassess. s.e. comes with her own perspective. i don't think it's going to be as predictable. >> no, i think we're going to agree on some surprising areas and that's going to be interesting. >> i think the value of the tension of s.e. keeping us honest and us keeping her honest will be interesting as well. >> not exactly balanced. >> you know what? i would consider it a compliment because it suggests that -- >> that i can handle myself? >> no problems, baby. no problems. you are going to be fun to watch. do you think you're -- because i have a hard time allowing other

people sometimes into the conversation. >> no. no. you know, do you feel that you are, are you going to play well with others? >> we have had the, we've spent a lot of time together over the last what two weeks, lot of dinners, lunches, getting to know each other. hanging out. we already knew each other before, but now, we're like really in this relationship and i think we see the way that the band starts to come together and the instruments that each one plays and i absolutely think that we can play well together and not step on each other and just have a good team back and forth and she's on the lead singing, he's on the guitar. do the drums. >> i'll play the weirdo. >> i've had the honor and privilege of being on the mega panel with toure for over a

year now with you as host and i did occasionally manage to get a sentence out. >> he does play well with others. >> to your point, what we had before was a person who was traffic copping the whole thing. you, you, you. now, there's no traffic cop and we'll just be jumping in and grabbing, i got something to say. she jumped in first, i got to wait. we'll work it out. >> the thing to keep in mind that i think we've discovered, the way the media has sort of interpreted this show, it's a conservative and that that's the divide here. there's a lot more diversity. interesting differences between the four of us. me and toure and s.e., i knew the three from massachusetts and -- >> that's the real story. >> we had the north-south divide. >> feeling a little ganged up on in that sense. >> welcome to my world, krystal. >> there's lots of ways to slice it up.

>> i think that the interesting thing though will be 20 years of cable news has been the predictable left right red state blue state fight with each other. >> yeah. >> obviously -- >> and where is that -- >> look at the cable ratings. from the show we just did with our stuff. this show not because i was so fabulous, but i really think because of what we were doing as a group. the only show that was increasing its audience size while everything else was falling apart. i think you guys are really set up to show people what comes next. >> that's the thing that you've said to us, to talk about disagree with civility across the -- >> with ruthless discompassion. >> to have a way of talking that shows the country hey, we can talk together. >> and not only that, dylan, but i also think your dedication to solutions rather than just talk is another key because people have heard all the talk.

they want to see what are we actually going to do and i hope that's a commitment that we bring to the show as well. >> definitely. >> well, it is an absolute, it's easier to sell a house, if you will, not that any of us own this particular house, but if we did, it's easier to sell a house to a buyer that you like. >> we'll take care of it for you. >> i think you guys are going to have a great time. >> thanks, dylan. >> good luck. >> don't miss the premier of "the cycle" monday at 3:00 eastern time right here on msnbc. with steve kornacki, krystal ball, all looking at each other in a glorious manner, then martin bashir after that at 4:00 p.m. it starts here after the weekend. next up, closing time for the dr show and a thank you to all of you and details on the journey ahead and the summer we're about to have talking to each other.

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well, my friends, the daily dylan ratigan show, has come to a close and as we end this chapter, we obviously begin a new one. and i want to close before we get into the final comments here by saying thank you. thank you to the audience that showed up. remember, the way this business works, they'll put you on tv. if there's no audience, they fire you. they'll put you on tv. if there is an audience, you

keep going and because you decided to allow me to talk and engage with me in this way, we, together, have been able to perpetuate this voice and beyond that, create an identity and movement i think that we can cultivate, for many years to come and a lot of impactful ways. i don't even know that we've considered. i want to thank however the folks that even let us have this conversation. dominique, who's been the show's director and he is of course, our how should we say this? muscle. don't mess with us, okay? brian, our senior producer, who has carried around my most insane thoughts and oddly been able to interpret them into actual words for television shows. almost inexplicable. betsy, who has been our insider outsider. somebody who has been willing to listen to some of our more

radical thoughts and ideas and interpret them through the lens of our incredible education inside the machinery. mary murphy, who's been our line and field producer. it is with her that i discovered the soul of america's greatest generation, the veterans. it is through her that we have been able to tell you so many of the wonderful stories. tammy's brought in the folks that have taught us so much. think of all those authors. i tease tammy that she is my spiritual teacher because she's the one who picks the people that i get to listen to. sasha, walica, our planning producer, who has literally helped everybody keep this entire machine in a way that has been beyond comprehension. charlie, who has been here from the very first moment. he is the man behind biff

ratigan and somebody should give him a raise. john estrada, our associate producer, has been with us every step of the way and chris schwartz and then tracy, who has made graphics, the thing that everybody takes for granted because she's so good at it. our amazing tech guys, editors, graphics, digital team, the stage crew, all those folks who put us on the air, every corner of this country, that took us to. steve friedman, our guests and the audience for being with us. we got a minute and 30 seconds. can i switch to another camera and sit here all cockeyed for the last minute? i got a minute left or whatever i've got left, so i'll tell you what the plan is. any fool can look at a pile of statistics and see how screwed up this country is, how

prevalent two sets of rules are, how dishonest we've become in the way we deal with our most estranged, our most in need. we are beyond that point, i believe. i believe that now is the time for what i would say is an apollo 13 mentality, where it doesn't matter what we don't have. it doesn't matter whose fault it is. it matters what we have. a tremendous amount of time, individuals, creativity and entirely unsustainable systems and our veterans, who i believe are the greatest generation, period. our youth. we have countless, millions of frustrated civilians, electorate, who are desperate for the capacity to create something that is sustainable for themselves and for others. and i believe that is way, way, way more than we actually need for the job if we can simply learn, teach, model and show how to do this with an