our goal here has always been to bring about a fair and a just result in this case. has been a with the jury's verdict today. and we believe that justice has been served. thank you very much. and -- [ applause ] i'd like to give the state police here a chance to say a few words. >> thank you, ms. kelly. i'm the director of the bureau of criminal investigation and i stand here as representative of the commissioner of the state police colonel frank noonan and i echo the comments by general kelly and thank her and the agency for the cooperation that we have received throughout this investigation.

i salute the prosecutors that prosecuted this case. i think that we all saw what this gentleman did in the courtroom. i salute him for that. but there was a lot of other work by the prosecution that went unseen. that was mr. frank fina and his staff and what they put together to bring this to a success. the officers and agents from the pennsylvania state police and the attorney general assigned to this case, they took it personal. they were dedicated to it. for the last two weeks, they have been away from their families and many of them have headed down the highway to reunite with them. i'm proud of them and proud of what they accomplished an proud of their effort. as a police officer, you learn pretty quick that you need courage the do this job. it does not mean that you don't have fear, but you have to work through the fear and be

courageous to do that job. i submit to you that what the eight young men did coming into the courthouse and working through their fear and the courage that they showed, they are the heroes of this investigation. and to them, we will eternally be grateful, thank you. >> i am sorry. i didn't hear the question. >> yes. >> what happened at penn state,

is this the biggest secret in this state or this country has known covered up -- >> we are here today to talk about the jerry sandusky case, and that is a case that is pending trial and i don't think that we are going to talk about that today. we will save that for another day. any other questions? if not, thank you all very much. the pennsylvania state attorney general lin da kelly. oh, she has more to say. >> we cannot speculate as to future charges, but we are continuing to look into this. i'm sorry? >>. [ inaudible comment ] >> well, that trial has not been scheduled yet, and there is not a trial date so we cannot tell you when that trial will go forward and as i said this is an ongoing investigation.

pennsylvania attorney general linda kelly giving what could easily be termed as a lengthy speech outside of the courtroom in bellefonte, pennsylvania, referring to the convicted jerry sandusky tonight as a serial child predator. going through at length the trial, i found it very interesting that the pros ecuto almost shy, catherine cry yar, and did not want to say anything, and left it all up to the attorney general and how did they handle this? >> well, when you asked me what the prosecutor would do and not the politician, but the prosecutor did not want to. you don't want to make comments that might affect an appeal, and you don't want to seem, you know, gloating. you are representing the people. this is a serious matter. i was uncomfortable with the little bit of the self-congratulatory tone of her comments. she wasn't in office, and i'm not blaming her or the staff working on this, because they

did a laudable job, but i kept thinking, where were these guys in '98 when nobody believed the kids? where were they in 2002 when nobody believed the kids and just like the defense attorney gets up there and says, when these charges came out and the news broke, you all thought he was guilty. where were we in 1998 and 2002 and this is going on in this country right now, and there are children who are speaking out. they are not being believed, and they are in the same situation, and the reaction will often be the same, so be real careful by acting like we are fixing this problem. no, this is and ongoing traged in the country, so let's keep the perspective there. >> if you are just joining us, it is five minutes past 11:00 eastern time in new york, and the jerry sandusky trial has concluded. sandusky has been convicted on 45 of 48 counts of child sexual

abuse. we have just heard a lengthy statement from linda kelly, the pennsylvania attorney general congratulating the prosecuting team. she did say numerous times in the statement that who would believe a kid, and they would. that plays to the point that you are making right there catherin catherine. >> they didn't when it was one and didn't when it was two or three, but it took a mountain of evidence to grab people. >> and there is a lot to unpack here. she also made the comment of in the dark corners off society. this was done quite open. and quite visible, and with a lot of conversation surrounding it before anything ever happened. >> i flinched when she said that, because we are talking about public university shower, and we are talking about the home. we are talking about public travels. this wasn't hidden. this wasn't in the dark corners.

there are many, many people who should not be absolved responsibility by the imagery that she portrayed it is all in secret. >> defense attorney joe amendola said earlier today that he would die of a heart attack if his client jerry sandusky were to be found innocent. that of course did not happen. but am men dendola explained why sandusky did not take the stand in his own defense. and a lot of it had to do with his stepson coming forward and saying that he, too, had been abused which he reported to reporters tonight, joe amendola, that that shocked the family members. what is your reaction to all of that? >> i was mixed. i certainly want to take him at the word, but when you go, and it is very dangerous to tell a jury in jury selection early on in the trial that you want to have the client to testify, because you don't want to set up that expectation, but there was devastating testimony that could

have led to him not taking the stand and they knew that the prosecution had other cases in the wings and the son did not have to be the one who was a rebuttal witness, so there were pr probably a lot of things that led to the decision not to have him testify, but he is now sort of laying it off on the revelations of matt. >> and michael isikoff reporting earlier on the broadcast that jerry sandusky showed no visible emotion when the verdict was read in the courtroom. he is facing a minimum of 60 years. this is a still photo of sandusky leaving the courthouse tonight, and if i recall on the videotape, i thought that he was shaking his head back and forth as no. as he was leaving, he was peppered with some questions from the people who were outside of the courtroom. here he is leaving, and this is earlier tonight, and i thought he was shaking his head no there. listen to some of the questions. >> jerry, what do you want to say to the victims? >> jerry, do you want to say

anything about the verdict? >> anything to say to the victims? >> the associated press reporting tonight it is three months before is sentencing takes place. jo joining me now from las vegas is jeff herman, an attorney who specializes in representing sexual abuse victims and, mr. herman, thank you for your time tonight. and how hard for these victims to come in forward and do they feel strength in numbers and there were eight who came forward to testify. take us down the road how hard it is for them to come forward. >> you are right. it is very, very difficult, and the nature of the grooming process which is how the predators find the victims and bring them along and ultimately abuse them is such that victims are compliant and not consenting, but compliant victims and 90% of all kids who are sexually abused are abused by somebody they know, so it is difficult, and it is embarrassing and they feel like they have done something wrong,

and so many of them suffer in silence, but what we saw here and what we are seeing really around the country is a collective empowerment by victims coming forward and they take this power from each other. very brave to be able to go into court and stand up and tell their very difficult stories. >> do you think that jerry sandusky was living in a different world that he thought that he would never be called on the car pet legally for the actions? >> well, i think that he was living in that fantasy world of his own up until these charges came to light. i think that he knew when he went on bob costas and gave that very, now very famous interview, he was knew he was cooked then and he was trying to show in the classic pedophile speak that he loved kids, and he had done good things for kids aside from maybe doing some inappropriate things as well. >> jeff, i'd like your critique of joe amendola, the defense

attorney. i think that you have been rather critical of him and what is your thought listening to him tonight? >> well, i have been baffled, you know, from in my feelings from the beginning as to what he was handled, and the, you know, when you face a mountain of evidence, and in this case, it was to me this verdict was never in doubt. there was so much evidence, so many victims coming forward and there was really no reasonable defense, and nothing that he could say to get him out of this, especially after he let him go on television and say the things that he did. so i never thought that he was actually going to come to trial and speak on his own behalf and that didn't surprise me. but to come after this trial and to say that there's all of these innocent people in jail after his client has just been convicted of the horrific crimes is a slap in the face to these victims and to other victims who are suffering in silence. and the result of this, i believe, will be that more

victims will come forward not just of sandusky, but other victims of abuse that are right now staying quiet. >> attorney jeff herman with us tonight, and thank you so much, much for your time, jeff. penn state university has released a statement following the conviction of jerry sandusky and reads in part. the legal process has spoken and we have tremendous respect for the men who came forward to tell their stories publicly, and no verdict can undo the pain and suffering caused by mr. sandusky, but we hope that this judgment does help the victims and their families along their path to healing. the board of trustees and current administration maintain a steadfast commitment to pursuing the truth regarding mr. sandusky's actions. while we cannot change what happened, we can and do accept the responsibility to take action on the societal issue of child sexual abuse both in our

community and beyond. let's go to the nbc team on the ground in pennsylvania. wes oliver, nbc legal news legal analyst and also with us is michael isikoff, nbc news, national investigative correspondent, and nbc news ron allen, and gentlemen, thank you for joining us. ron, you first. what is the reaction of the crowd when the attorney general came out and spoke tonight following this conviction? >> applause, cheering and it was very eerie and such a contradiction to a cold november day when i came here for the first time when all of this was erupting. back then people were in denial and some hostility to the media. they didn't believe these charges, but tonight, the community welcomed this verdict. it is some sense of closure and a sense of stepping forward and starting to get this behind them. but of course, to some extent, this is an end, but it is also a begin, because it also says that

there are other people in the community who are responsible who should have known and should have done something and stepped up at some point along the torturous journey of the young boys 15 years or longer. that is the challenge now of the community and penn state university to step up and to continue the investigations and to continue the reveal and expose the truth of what has happened here involving perhaps more young boys. >> michaelist kof, your response? did you hear the statement released by penn state university, that they are trying to move forward and it has to be gut wren gut-wrenching for them. >> they are trying to move forward, but they are going to be in the middle of a maelstrom for quite some time to come. first, as i mentioned to you before and earlier, there are ongoing investigations that relate directly to how penn state officials handledle thi l.

we have pending charges against the athletic director tim curley, and the others who are pending charges of how they handled the mike mcqueary allegations, and worth mentioning tonight that the jury did find guilty verdicts against jerry sandusky for what he was doing in the shower with the young boy who mike mcqueary saw that night. there are, and it is not going to stop there. as we have reported before, the fo former president of penn state university graham spainer who was fired under this matter remains under investigation, and new evidence has come forward including e-mails about how they handled those mcqueary allegations that mcqueary reported, including an e-mail which says they concluded that, agreed it would be quote humane not the report jerry sandusky to social services when the full e-mail trail comes out, and it will when the louie freeh report

comes out, you can expect a fierce reaction to that. and then on top of that, there's the civil lawsuits that are going to be filed over this case. many of the -- we don't have to say alleged victims any more, and we can now say victims as judged by a court of law and made it clear, they are going to be filing civil suits that many of them do have civil lawyers and the deep pockets here is not jerry sandusky, but it is penn state university and the second mile charity and the trustees of that charity. so, there are going to be courtrooms where this 1 going to be playing out for quite some time to come. >> michaelisikoff, i want to get your impression of joe amendola, the defense attorney, and some of his comments? >> well, i didn't actually hear all of the comments, because i have been doing live shots with you, ed, and others, but from what i understand, he was trying

to relitigate this case to suggest that his client was framed by the news media, and the public reaction to the way that the commonwealth arrested him back in november. but, of course, look, at the tend of the day, i was in that courtroom as was wes oliver, and there was an overwhelming case presented. eight victims taking the stand providing sometimes gut-wrenching testimony, and two of them breaking down and weeping on that stand, it is very hard to, to overcome something like that. and joe amendola, for all of his reasonable legal skills could not prevent evidence that showed any one of these eight victims was lying. he tried to suggest that they might have been because they had lawyers, but not a single piece of evidence was put on hand showing that these people concocted these stories for any reason. >> also with us outside of the courthouse in bellefonte, pennsylvania, is nbc news wes

oliver. wes, take us into that moment in the courtroom tonight when the verdict was read. what did you see? what can you tell us? >> it was a fairly somber moment, unlike the atmosphere outside which became almost like the end of a college basketball game. inside of the courtroom, there was just a very hushed tone as the guilty verdicts were read one after another. >> what was the reaction of the family, if any reaction at all? >> i was in the annex. i couldn't see the family. >> ed, the -- dottie sandusky was sitting in the front row and showed no reaction at all. her daughter and jerry sandusky's daughter, i am told although i didn't see it actually did start weeping, put her head down and started weeping. jerry sandusky as he was being led out started to look towards his family and it didn't appear they made any eye contact at all. there was a sort of brief glance

in that direction, and it is not clear whether he saw and then sort of turned around and led out of the courtroom. of course, moments later es kourkour edcorted out of the courthouse in handcuffs and looking dazed. >> and remember, we had a 20-minute warning to the time we got the verdict, and it seemed in that time people were coming out of the local restaurants and the homes and came to the point where the crowd outnumbered the media. they wanted to see what was going on and see it for themselves, because this is a profound moment for so many people in the entire community. as wes said, it was like a sports atmosphere, and people were cheering and when have you heard prosecutors and investigators get cheered for their work, and that is also part of the catharsis that is happening here and part of the willingness and the eagerness perhaps for people to try to get past this and keep going and try to find something, something out of this to build on. >> ron allen, what were the

three charges that jerry sandusky was not convicted of? >> the three charges that he was not convicted of and i will defer to my friends who are legal experts, and as wes mentioned one of them involved mike mcqueary, because that is a key case that led to culpability to joe paterno and others. >> exactly. ed, on one of the counts relating to the mike mcqueary shower incident, involuntary deviant sexual intercourse the court found not guilty and i will check this with wes, but it required sexual penetration, am i correct on that one? >> yes, and that is part of the testimony to the jury that it wanted read back to it, because they wanted to see what mike mcqueary wanted to see what he claims to have seen. they also wanted a portion of the janitor's testimony read

back. he had more allegations, and mike mcqueary was more unclear about what he saw, and after the jury had that read to him, they came back with the not giuilty f the most serious, but guilty of the lesser included offenses requiring the mike mcqueary testimony. >> but i should point out, ed, there were four other mike mcqueary counts in which the jury found sandusky guilty. indecent assault, unlawful contact with minors, corruption of minors and en dadangering th welfare of children and the jury clearly found that there was a young boy in the shower with jerry sandusky that night for improper purposes for corrupt purposes, but that because mike mcqueary could not say he saw penetration, they did not find on that one count. >> it is also probably worth noting that the jury did not disbelieve mike mcqueary. mike mcqueary did not say i saw this, but he said i believed

this most serious of allegations occurred. but he couldn't say definitively that he had, and so this jury seemed to have believed every single one of the prosecution's witnesses that came before it. >> and another one of the not gi guilty findings were with victims five and six who said he was pinned in the corner of the shower and molested and the most serious charge that was with the not guilty finding and the same thing regarding victim six regarding the most serious charge, but still ample areas where sandusky was convicted. >> with victims five and six, the jury was not quite sure what exactly happened in the shower with those two men. they knew something bad happened, but they were not sure of the reckless amount of contact in the shower based on the testimony. they found it believable that both of the victims were somewhat vague in describing what happened in the showers. >> but it is worth pointing out that on victim six who is the

least of the, least serious account, they, the jury still found sandusky guilty on what looks like three of the counts related to victim six. i think that is significant, because that was the very first one. that is the very first complaint about jerry sandusky in 1998, and you know the question has always been, if criminal charges had been brought at that time, could jerry sandusky have been successfully prosecuted and could all of the other offenses that took place for so many years afterwards been stopped? and i think that people might look at this verdict and raise that question more seriously today. >> the flipside of that would be that perhaps they could haven't gotten a conviction on vick imthe six without that, because each of the victims corroborated each other. it is hard to believe that one of the victims could be misinformed or lying or misremembering the events. each of the victims added something else to the other's testimony. >> and it speaks to how careful

the jury was to go through this very emotional set of charges line by line and to consider exactly what happened in each case carefully. the question i have, if you will, ed, do you think that jerry sandusky taking the stand would have -- what would have happened? helped him? hurt him? >> sandusky was a wild card. a defendant could well perform well on the stand and when he got up to deny the charges if he did it in a convincing way, and didn't wilt under krg cross-examination and didn't react violently or angrily under cross-examination, it may have helped him, but it could have gone the other way, and having a defendant testify as one who appears to be emotionally unstable as jerry sandusky has in the course of the proceedings, it could go reasonably well, but of course, the jury is going to view the testimony as entirely self-serving so that is the best case scenario, but it could go poorly. >> most people said he had an odd smile on the face during the

proceedings and of course the rock center bob costas interview where he was erratic and uncertain. >> ha is that was the biggest wild card of all if jerry sandusky had taken the stand, he would have been confronted with the words of the bob costas interview, and so many of them stumbling with the starting with the answer to question, are you sexually attracted to young boys? >> and also with mhis son matt o confront him. >> and also as an arrow in the quiver, matt sandusky, jerry sandusky's own adopted son was going to testify against him, and that is pretty powerful testimony when a son testifies against the father. >> unbelievable. >> wes oliver, nbc news legal analyst, and michael isikoff,

investigative correspondent, and ron allen, nbc correspondent, thank you so much for joining us on the coverage tonight. jerry sandusky guilty on 45 of 48 counts of sexual child abuse describeded by linda kelly the pennsylvania attorney general as a serial child predator. he will be behind bars for the rest of his life. that videotape, you are seeing it now when he left after the verdict was read tonight, and he is now in custody. in studio with me here in new york is catherine crier and a lot to unpackage here in the final few moments. what impressionings does this night's events leave you with? >> that we need to be very careful. that, that it took 14 years to get to this night, and eight victims and others that we don't know, and this occurring on one of the most illustrious,

renowned campuses that this country has among people that we all love and respected and admired. there are lessons here. they aren't fixed by the verdict tonight. they are just illuminated. >> and as we move forward, and there is more legal action as this story continues on, but as a country, in the prosecuting world, in the investigative world are we now at a point where we now have an answer of who would believe a kid? >> i think that this, this case, this case can be held up time and again now when law enforcement or officials in some organization are hesitant, and they need to have the whisper in their ears, sandusky, and maybe they will listen. >> catherine, with your experience, no visible emotion shown by jerry sandusky tonight as reported by the reporters on the ground when the verdict is read. is that how it normally goes? >> it depends, but this is a man

who knew what the outcome was going to be, and also in the other interviews, he has, he's dissociated, and he is not, and i don't mean that he is ill. he is not quite all there. and it will be days, even months before it hits him that this is the rest of his life. >> and we can only imagine how many other victims are out there tonight watching this knowing they did not come forward, but feeling some resolve in knowing that there is going to be restitution for what they were sexually tortured in many respects. >> i would hope so. >> catherine crier, thank you for joining us, and we want to thank ron allen and wes oliver and michael isikoff for their fabulous coverage on the grounds, and that completes our coverage of the sandusky trial. found giuilty of 45 of 48 count. we will continue our regular

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to have their pictures taken by prison staff. >> full body again. >> it gives the inmates an opportunity to connect with loved ones. >> well, i'm standing here waiting to get my picture taken so i can send them out to my people. i have a friend out there writing me off and on for three years and i will send her one and like my grandma and mom and dad. >> all of the housing units get it once a month. >> for any inmate willing to pay $1.22 recreational coordinator mike cardner will take a digital photo and deliver four prints to be sent to friends and family. >> what is the biggest challenge of you to take the pictures? >> trying to please them all. they all believe they are "gq" material. >> you get four copies and you get them on paper and four pictures. and other prisons you get one picture for it, so it is not a bad deal. >> tim harris is one inmate who never misses picture day. >> every month. this one right here is a photo that i took last month's

pictures that you can see it has a different background and we took these ones inside of rec, and i have my fro out and it is looking rough so i didn't send these out too much. i passed these out to the guys i hang around with here so they had a picture to put into their photo album. >> that sun is bright. >> it will make a good picture. >> you can't see too much, because the sun is bright, and reflecting off of the screen. so you can't see it too much. so i guess when it is printed out we will see it. >> you can't have the feet on the wall. >> man, you are so straight her here. >> pictures like this are restricted for general population inmates who have good behavior records. this inmate has mostly stayed out of trouble, carlton wright. >> carlton wright actually came to prison in 2010, and since he has been in, he has received a

few conduct reports and nothing severe. i heard he has a mouth on him and disrespectful to the staff and other offenders. >> that's my only option? i can't take another one? >> no. >> so what's the point of seeing it then? this is wabash, man. they do what they want. >> i'm not like other inmates. i obey the rules, but other times they want you to be in compliance like puppets. don't do this. don't do that. do it like this. do it like that. [ bleep ] here. eat here. no, you can't talk to that person. get off of the door. all of these [ bleep ] rules. i'm in the [ bleep ] jail for not following the rules. >> wright says that his attitude is a result of growing up in a tough new jersey neighborhood. >> either you sink or swim. you know what i mean? i grew a hard exterior, because

i did want to be a victim and over time it came a character. >> and recently, wright's character was put to the test. >> he came back from the recreation one night and noticed that the tv was missing and he knew that somebody took it and he was upset about that as anybody would be. >> this is the penitentiary. are you serious? [ bleep ]. they kill for that. for real for real. >> surveillance video shows another inmate standing outside of wright's cell, and he enters the cell and then exits seconds later with wright's television. the inmate then places the tv inside of another cell. >> i saw the tv was gone. >> so i i came back and the things got ugly. >> from what i heard, he approached several offenders and called them out wanting to know if he had taken his tv. >> i saw on the cell [ bleep ] and i was going to keep looking until i found him. >> wright's aggressive behavior

soon created problems with other inmates. >> i'm not looking for trouble, but at the same time i will duck when i feel it. you feel me? this is the penitentiary and you have to stand tall and tend to it. you know, what i mean? you can't take the losses. this is the long place to be a bitch and it is the principle, you feel me? you don't steal an ink pen for me. you get killed on the streets for stealing, and the same in prison. >> staff led that it would lead to a fight and sanctioned wright for taking matters into his own hands. he was transferred to administrative segregation, and the custody control unit or ccu. >> welcome to the belly of the beast, man. [ bleep ] i hate lockup. for real, for real. it makes your time hard. all you do is to sleep. ain't no books in this bitch and when you aare ccu, you get nothing but a bar of soap and shower soap, and that is it. my hair, i have not been to get

a haircut or shave or nothing like that. i am back down here slumming it. this is the downside of prison. violence happens. what you expect? you group a bunch of violent offenders together, and you don't expect a clash. at the end of the day, you pray you are standing and not hur. >> as authorities continue to investigate the stolen tv, wright has petitioned to be back into the original housing unit. >> i don't know what at this point is going to happen h with wright, if he can allow back to p-housing because of the animosity he caused that night with the accusations of the tv, so we will be evaluating his housing assignment. >> while the authorities determine a safe housing placement for wright, he will remain in confinement. >> i don't like it, but i'm adapting. i have to make it work. these people are put in all kinds of situations to try to cru crumble you or break you, but you is the overcome that [ bleep ] so that is what i am doing, man. i am surviving and i have too much time to start trembling

now. >> gerald richie is also in one of the confinement units and he is not happy about it. >> well, it is horrible and they had punishment in mind when they built this place. that is a fact. let's make these guys understand that, hey, if you come to prison, this is how you are going to live. this is how you are going to live and we are going to take these rules to the nth degree. >> richie says that even though he is in confinement for being one of three white inmates caught for assaulting a black inmate, the fight was not racially motivated, but he admits that the tattoos are. >> it is a swastika and even though it is not the best artistically, it is one of the ones that i am most proud of, because it means the most on the whole. it is em ppowering and upliftin and simple and not only elicit a response from others, but it elicits a response from myself. and that is what symbolism is, and does for you and does since the beginning of this. the right hand says mein in

german and the left hand says ehre means honor and together they mean my honor and that is the motto that hitler gave to the sss, and that is my loyalty, and they are meant to say something to you without spitting it out. so somebody looks in the mirror and sometimes i see these things, and and i'm on the right track, man, and it makes me feel good. >> when weather permits, confinement inmates are allowed one hour of outdoor recreation. it is in a small cage-liken closure, but it provides the once chance that richie has to see friends like brandon. >> what's happening? >> i'm chilling. >> it is hot out. >> it is super hot. >> cool to get out here in the afternoon anyway. >> it a lot better out here in the afternoon though. [ bleep ] you don't see the sun a lot. >> richie is a great dude and great person and don't let anybody ever say you can't make friends in prison. you see that j.j. >> what happened?

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this is my bed right here. you know what i mean? this is my cellie rack and his bed where another grown ass man sleeps at, you understand? out here to my left is my window. and this is my window, and that is the gate teasing me with freedom. right there is a highway i think. you see the cars going by, and going places that i can't go. you feel me? so i'm trying to paint a picture for you so you can understand what i'm going there. >> carlton wright's picture will change very little in the next 24 years, when he is eligible on the 50-year sentence for robbery, bodily injury and criminal confinement. >> you want to go out right now? h all right. >> but he has had one bit of good news. he has been released from the confinement unit. he was sent there for threatening other inmates while trying to locate his stolen tv set. >> what happen ed ed to the guy stole your tv? >> i don't know. i ain't seen him yet.

>> did you ever get your tv back? >> i got another one. >> so the guy who stole your tv was never prosecuted? >> man, i don't know. this is wabash. i mean, i'm not tripping. this is a small prison and you going to bump into him again. it is hard to live in a place like this for 40 years and not have an altercation, because everybody has a chip on their shoulder and under my state of mind, i don't give a [ bleep ] and i ain't got nothing to lose. you pit a whole bunch of people in a small facility, it is going to clash. you never know what is going to happen. you have to know what conversation not to get involved in and how to let it go, because if not, you could be in the infirmary fighting for your life behind some [ bleep ], you know. but its comes with this prison. [ bleep ] and kids don't see that. they see money and this, and money can get me, but they don't see the consequence of the actions coming in here, until it is too late, you know. you can't really experience [ bleep ] until you are living it. >> me, personally, i really

don't have any problem with anybody. i do believe in my own set personal values, but i'm not going to -- i don't hate other people because of who or what they are. >> but there is one type of person joshua kcoffey does not tolerate, and one week from the release, that intolerance could keep him in prison. >> he has a unit, and right here you see defendant anderson walking up the steps and inmate coffey behind him, and they are preparing to go into the cell and assault someone. >> well, there was a child molester who got mouthy with one of my buddies, and honestly, it just kind of escalated quickly, and he got an ass whooping. >> the first offender en enters the cell with inmate coffey

stand standing outside of the door to make sure that staff won't see this, and then he goes through to rifle through the stuff and it appears that anderson is talking to the victim, and that they are having a little bit of a disagreement. >> child molesters and they should take them and chop off their junk, put them on an island and let them just live together, and eventually they would die off. if somebody molested my son -- i don't want to come back to prison, but i probably would for murder. >> in a second, you will see where the victim gets up and starts to run out of the cell and tries to defend himself. and then they grab him. shove him against that rail and begin kicking him and hitting him. and then the door starts to shut so they are all getting at the door and right here you can see all of them pushing him right back into the cell. all of the meanwhile, they are kick and kneeing and punching and pretty brutally at that. then when they decide that the victim has had enough i guess or

that they are worried about getting caught they depart the area, and the victim is standing there on the upper range with his face bloody, and he is leaning against the rail for support and holding his head, and he has been worked over pretty good. >> i don't regret it one bit. >> did you beat him because he was a child molester or because of something else? >> 50-50. i mean, honestly, if the guy wasn't a child molester, i probably would have blowed over, but child molesters are the -- they are the crap on the bottom of my boot if i was out tending stalls. honestly, the guy's got 50 years and i hope that the rest of the time that he is incarcerated, he takes a whooping at least once a month. >> the incident resulted in a postponement of coffey's release. >> offender coffey received commissary loss and suspension

of his release. >> how much time did you lose? >> a week. a week is a week. i regret losing time that i could have spent with my family, and you know what, i apologize. i'm sincerely apologizing, guys, because to be honest i kind of lied to them why i lost a week, but it is hard for them to know the truth, but when they see this, they will know the truth, but that is why i apologized. you know, hopefully by then it will have, everything is smoothed out. there's some people that, they honestly, they don't deserve a second chance. now i might be one of those people, i don't know. because honestly, i had a second chance. i get released this time, this is my third chance. >> coming up -- >> every choice has a consequence, man. so before you do something h,

you have to think, damn, what's the possible consequence behind this. >> wabash inmates deal with the consequences of their choices. >> some prison sentences don't end, you know what i mean? it is a hard pill to swallow, boy. carbs are bad. carbs are good. the story keeps changing. so i'm not listening... to anyone but myself. i know better nutrition when i see it: great grains. great grains cereal starts whole and stays whole. see the seam? more processed flakes look nothing like natural grains. you can't argue with nutrition you can see. great grains. search great grains and see for yourself. for multi grain flakes that are an excellent source of fiber try great grains banana nut crunch and cranberry almond crunch. the teacher that comes to mind for me is my high school math teacher, dr. gilmore. i mean he could teach. he was there for us, even if we needed him in college. you could call him, you had his phone number.

he was just focused on making sure we were gonna be successful. he would never give up on any of us. .

you other than what 50 years feels like? people forget about you. leave you here to rot. not out of spite like [ bleep ], but more are less like is busy, man. they are going to slow down and reach out. >> the notion of being forgeten is something every inmate is kwont plating is the some point in their incarceration.

>> i can do that over. >> you got me right there. they are separating. where the finger is right here. >> tim harris serving ten years makes it a point to never miss the photo day to send pictures of himself to loved ones. >> i should have one in there with sweat pants on. >> i took a couple of pictures to send to friends and family. this is what they look like. as you can key see, they are not the greatest quality, but they are pictures. they get the idea. it's nice to sometimes see your loveds. this is the other one i took. it's hard for me. my brother, me being locked up and his kids. he wrote me and said the kids talk about you and tell people i used to do everything with them. it's depressing and stressing and at the same time it's hard to deal with.

they ask about me all the time. they know i'm locked up. i have been locked up a lot. i hate them having to know i am locked up. i put myself here and maybe me letting them know where i am at and telling them and keeping them have having to come down this road. >> gerald richy is week away from completing his two-year sentence. >> i did the right thing. got it figured out. got it licked. i got it licked. i promise. i don't have the opportunity to get out twice. got out and ended upcoming back both times. i got brothers in here that are never getting out. you talk to people and it makes me feel like i'm selfish. like i'm not taking advantage of something i absolutely need to take advantage of. not everybody got that chance. some prison sentences don't end. you know what i mean? it's a hard pill to swallow.

it's heavy. you know? it's heavy. i'm not trying to die in here. i'm good at it. just got to get out and stay sober and find a job. that's about what it comes down to. if i'm not drinking or doing drugs and i'm employed, how you can go wrong? what could happen? >> in spite of seeing his release get delayed by seven days because he chose to assault another inmate, joshua is preparing to go home. >> my brother owns a construction company. i got a job as soon as i want it. hopefully. as long as he doesn't get missed at me for something. it's a little bit shorter. >> that's the good thing. if it's not good i wear a hat.

>> you will not be wearing a hat. >> i guarantee i will be wearing a hat. i will be wearing this hat. i swear to god it is. i will be wearing this hat when i go fishing. wearing the hat, honestly it reminds me i can't come fishing in i'm in jail. i got it all the way down. i have nothing. i'm going straight to the welfare office and i will get me my $137 worth of food stamps so i got nothing to eat. i will make sure i have any type of hygiene materials or clothes i need. after i get all those things done, i'm going to go see a reentry coordinator or call the parole officer and the na coordinator and then i'm going to the casino. >> every choice has a

consequence. before you do something, you have to think the possible consequence that can happen behind this. a lot of people don't think about that. a lot of people don't ponder the out come of what they are doing. they just do it until they realize this consequence is too harsh for what i did, but the reward will outpay the risk. you are paying with your life. i have 50 years. that's life. i am prison. 50 plus 27. 77 years old. are you serious? come on, man? that's life.