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sweeping verdict in the child sex abuse trial. jurors found the 68-year-old guilty on 45 of 48 charges. he rose from his seat after the verdict with tears in his eyes. the moment came after two days of deliberation and two weeks of testimony from young men who said they had been abused by their one time mentor. sandusky's attorney came to talk outside the courthouse just after the verdict and the crowd erupted. >> there are lots of people sitting in jails all across this country who are innocent. there have been people, lots of people -- lots of people -- >> and against that courthouse back drop, the public lining the steps and prosecutors and state attorney general praised the verdict. >> this defendant, a serial child predator, who committed horrific acts upon his victims causing lifelong and life-changing consequences for all of them, has been held

accountable for his crimes. >> and this is the first look of sandusky in jail. officials releasing this mug shot of the penn state assistant football coach. that is where ron allen is. with a good morning to you, i'd like you to set the scene and talk about the reaction when the verdict came down last night. what are things like this morning? >> reporter: well, alex, it was quite a night last night. a lot of drama and electricity in the air. taken the jury the better part of two days and they deliberated well into the night and there was some question as to whether this would continue on into the weekend. you have no idea when a jury is going to announce a decision. outside the courtroom, crowds gathered and people from the community came because they wanted to see and hear and be a part of what was happening inside the courtroom, much more somber attitude. the charges and the convictions that were read off very methodically, there was no celebration, it was very somber. as you said at the end.

jerry sandusky rose, he made very little eye contact, even at his family, led away in handcuffs never to be seen again in public. we have more sound from the attorney general for the state of pennsylvania, linda kelly and defense attorney joe amendola. here's more of their reaction. >> and as reflected by this verdict that we've all just heard, a jury of 12 people here in bellefonte, pa, most definitely would and did believe a kid. >> the sandusky family is very disappointed obviously by the verdict of the jury, but we respect their verdict. >> reporter: amendola went on for a while. he had made the best effort to try to create some doubt in the minds of the jurors during his closing arguments, but again 45 out of 48 charges, convictions, i don't think many people are surprised this happened.

some people thought it would be all 48, there was no doubt in many people's minds that he was going to get a heavy sentence handed to him. >> ron allen, it was quite spell binding to watch. thank you. let's bring in our legal panel, former federal prosecutor jay fahey and johnna spillbore. >> either of you surprised by this verdict? >> not even a little bit. i'm surprised that they acquitted him on three of the 48 counts. >> how about you? >> not at all. the victims, a lot of them had issues, there was inconsistencies, but mcqueary sealed it i think. his testimony was very hard to dispute and i expected a guilty verdict. >> let's talk about jerry sandusky and his role in the trial. he did not testify and his attorney talked to reporters about that last night. let's take a listen. >> i indicated that our whole case was predicated with jerry testifying and jerry had always

wanted to testify. however, the next day, the commonwealth attorney advised me it would not call matt sandusky in its case in chief and reserve the right to call him as a rebuttal witness depending on what evidence we presented. >> how did that change things, johnna? how is it the fact matt sandusky could have been a rebuttal witness, why did that change their idealogy? >> if i'm going to be critical of the prosecution at all and i thnk they did a good job. bringing in the son at the last minute sort of felt like dirty pool, for the son's testimony to scare sandusky off the stand, the son must have been more than just a victim. he must have been also been a witness and that's why sandusky didn't want to take the stand and testify in his own defense. >> what about jerry sandusky had he taken the stand, was there anything to have been gained by that? >> the answer is i don't think so. at the end of the day, i'm going to say two things that seem

contradictory. the jury wanted to hear from him and saw the interviews with bob costas and they wanted to hear from him because of that. with that said, the prosecutor was going to go through every single victim, every sing the incident and it was going to be a review of the entire trial. at the end of the day it would have been foolish to take the stand. >> we talk about how you're not surprised by all of this, in addition you've got to have joe amendola saying the same thing. he said outside the courtroom he would die of a heart attack if jerry sandusky were not -- if something didn't come back with a conviction. talk about how unusual that was, johnna. >> it's very unusual and it doesn't bode well for the confidence that he had in the case, which may lead to an appellate issue down the road. you don't say that in front of anybody, not your client or reporters, maybe to your husband or wife. we know as defense attorneys, we go in on the losing end of this, even those it's innocent until proven guilty, it's not. sandusky put his foot in his mouth time and time again before

the start of the trial. that's why none of us are surprised. >> sentencing three months from now -- >> it's supposed to be three months. >> with joe amendola, the fact he would let his client go on national tv to be interviewed is incredible. he's done things that most criminal defense attorneys shake their head at -- >> is that malpractice? >> i think there would be an argument for ineffective assistance of counsel -- i'm sure he reviewed it with his client but he did things that are very unorthodox. >> we were hearing ron allen saying elnever be seen in public again. you agree? >> i agree. there will be a appeal but doesn't seem to me there's a lot of good appellate issues. >> we'll have you back later on in the hour. was justice served in this case? you can talk to me on twitter. i'll get to your tweets throughout the day and bring them to you live. now to front page politics. mitt romney is in park city utah, where he's meeting with top fundraisers at a retreat.

attending are former governor tim pawlenty, rob portman, paul ryan and governor bobby jindal. also at the retreat, two dark horse vp candidates, jeb bush and former secretary of state condoleezza rice. a rousing reception for president obama at a rally in tampa. he went after mitt romney's history at bain capital. >> today it was reported in the "washington post" that the companies his firm owned were pioneers in the outsourcing of american jobs to places like china and india. pioneers. let me tell you, tampa, we do not need an outsourcing pioneer in the oval office. we need a president who will fight for american jobs and fight for american manufacturers. >> joining me now, national political reporter for the "washington post" amy gardner

and steve velma. thanks for joining me. >> good morning. >> amy, the president picking up on the pioneer of outsourcing line from your paper. give us a sense of that article and put it in context there. >> there's a couple of interesting points, this is a story that ran yesterday written by my colleague, tom hamburger and examined in very close detail bain capital's record working with companies that outsourced jobs oversees. bain capital, of course the private equity company that mitt romney worked for and led for the better part of 15 years. what's interesting about this article i think is actually two things. one is that the -- the governor romney on the campaign trail today is talking about ending outsourcing and that being a problem with our economy and doubting his business experience in the private sector as a reason -- as a central reason why the american people should choose him to lead the economy back to pros spert to end

outsourcing. the other point is that president obama has been talking about ending outsourcing on the campaign trail. this was a perfect moment for him to seize upon politically as he did as we saw yesterday in florida. >> steve, let's talk about the location the president was in florida at that rally in full campaign mode. in a swing state which has the latest poll showing the president up four points there in florida, which is a ten-point swing since last month. i'm curious what you think is behind the bump and might it be the president's immigration message? >> absolutely. the immigration message and the vote in florida are critical. he's up four points overall but he's up 16 points, i think 53-37 among hispanic voters in florida. that's about the margin a democrat should expect to get. what he needs to do is hold that and increase it and energize that vote. what happened here this last week with that vote is he was in a little bit of trouble with

hispanic voters because he had not delivered on his 2008 promise for overall immigration reform. they knew it. this would have been a much tougher audience if he had gone in saying i didn't deliver. instead he changed the subject last week when he noungsed the decision to stop deporting 800,000 young illegal immigrants. they were enthusiastic about that. that allows him to then turn the whole pressure on to mitt romney on whether he'll sustain that new direction. >> i'm curious, amy, what do you know about the concern in the romney camp with the latest numbers? florida is a must win, right? >> florida is a very important state. the other issue here is that governor romney and his advisers know full well they have a challenge with latino voters. and so you saw governor romney's response to president obama's announcement regarding immigration policy. and it was a stark evolution. it was a very powerful dramatic evolution from what he was saying on the republican primary

trail when he was perhaps the most conservative and hard line anti-immigration -- anti-illegal immigration candidate in the field. last week when president obama made his announcement, romney's answer was just to sort of criticize the president for not getting a bill through congress and just taking executive action. he didn't actually criticize the substance of what president obama had done, which is interesting. >> hey, steve, the optics of this event with the fundraisers in utah for mr. romney, does this play into the framing of him as a candidate for the well off? there he is in deer valley, is there any way to avoid that? >> oh, i think there is, alex. the best way is to open it up to us, the news media. turn it into a policy seminar. sit there with the contributors, most of whom are business people and bring in the best policy people you've got and spend four hours talking about your tax policy and your economic policy.

and basically bore us to death. but turn it into an infomercial about his own program, instead of this mysterious behind the scenes thing where we're all suspicious there's some secret handshake, secret bargain to help people. open it up, let us in. >> all right, don't think it's going to happen this weekend but i guess you can hope. all right, good to see you both. we appreciate it. an attorney for one of the victims in the jerry sandusky trial talks about the guilty verdict. and in office politics, martin bashir talks about the rose garden incident. you know what i'm talking about and links it to former president richard nixon. all coming up. 14 clubs. that's what they tell us a legal golf bag can hold. and while that leaves a little room for balls and tees, it doesn't leave room for much else. there's no room left for deadlines or conference calls.

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one of the recurrent themes of the witnesses testimony which came from the voices of the victims themselves in this case was who would believe a kid? and the answer to that question is, we here in bellefonte pennsylvania, would believe a kid. >> this morning more reaction to the guilty verdict in the jerry sandusky case. late last night the former assistant coach was convicted of 45 of the 48 charges against him. he is behind bars this morning, sentencing is expected in about three months. joining me now, ben an dree ozzie, attorney for victim number four. good morning. i'm sure it was an emotional night for you and your client. tell me how your client responded when he heard jerry sandusky was convicted on 45 charges. >> it was an extremely emotional night for my client. he was driving home from a friend's house, listening to the

radio, and right before the verdict was announced over the radio, he was actually driving through a patch where he didn't get reception. so he had to call his girlfriend to find out what the verdict was. but his reaction was he really felt vindicated, that the jurors had listened to his story and validated him. >> talk about the damage inflicted on your client as a result of the actions. he over the years was described as having among the most contact with jerry sandusky and not just in the disgusting way we've all come to be familiar with, but he actually took his girlfriend to dinner with sandusky apparently. was it a sense of trying to grasp a sense of normalcy? what was that about with him? >> well, i think mr. sandusky reached out to my client and essentially, you know, my client viewed himself as an extension of that family. mr. sandusky traveled

extensively with him and invited him to family functions and took him to the hotel where players stayed overnight the night before a game. he really felt like he was almost one of the sandusky family members. and the relationship lasted for several years. >> you've said for a time your client was also racked with guilt about coming forward, he testified that he wanted to bury forever these horrible memories and agreed to testify only after the police literally hunted him down. talk about that emotion and how your client came to change his mind. >> my client was identified by the police. he was -- his picture is in the books that mr. sandusky's books. and it's interesting that the police actually found him. when the police found him and asked if they could speak with him, he was so overcome with emotion, the officer who found him actually testified in court

that he was in the feetal position on the couch of his house when he first spoke with authorities. >> this is something that began for your client when he was 11 or 12 years old. did he express fear of jerry sandusky to you during that time when they had contact when he was being abused? >> well, i think -- it's interesting the dynamic that he had with jerry. and he testified, in public he felt like jerry held him out as his son. in private, he felt that jerry treated him as a girlfriend. during those times when they were in private, you know and jerry treated him as my client testified, as his girlfriend, that was the difficult time for him. as a young boy, 11, 12, 13 years old, you don't know how to process that when a man is taking advantage of you in that manner. >> and he was a father figure in many ways too, correct because your client didn't have a father figure in his life? >> sure. i mean, that's one of the things

that's typical of sexual predators is to insert themselves into the lives of these young men and to hold themself out as a mentor or a father figure. that's the way they gain access. sexual predators aren't typically the people that jump from behind the bushes and sexually assault young boys. they are people who are conniving and able to weasel the way into their prey. >> your client has a message for other potential abuse victims that may still be out there. what is that message? >> well, i think it's okay to come forward. you're not alone. that was one of the things that was extremely difficult for him in coming forward was he was afraid he was alone. and now he knows he's not alone. the other thing that i think really was gut-wrenching was the other day when the other victims were called in to the closing arguments of the prosecutors, my

client approached two of the other young men and wanted to do one thing, he wanted to apologize to them and let them know he's sorry that he wasn't able to come forward sooner and that had he been able to do so, they may not have been assaulted. this is a healing process for him where he's going to be able to confront some of his demons. >> it's a lot of weight for a young man to carry but we wish him the best. thank you for your time, ben andreozzi. >> the big three money headlines, good news on one economic front in time for summer. the secrets to a camera ready burger. mcdonald's fesses up. it's time to live wider awake. only the beautyrest recharge sleep system combines the

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welcome back, at just past the half hour, fresh reaction to the sandusky trial. late last night the jury found the penn state football coach guilty of 45 of 48 counts. his attorney seemed resigned to the outcome. >> we had an uphill battle, i use the analogy that we were tempting to climb mount everest from the bottom of the mountain. >> joining me from bellefonte,

pennsylvania, nbc news national investigative correspondent michael issikoff. >> he talked about blaming the media to some extent, given the kind of enormous coverage that jerry sandusky arrest had gotten and all of the publicity about the case made it difficult to defend. the bottom line is the evidence was so overwhelming here, eight separate victims who told these gut-wrenching stories, two of them breaking down and weeping on the stand. and the defense really had nothing to impeach the testimony of the victims and explain why they would conceivably make up these horrific stories about jerry sandusky. tried to suggest there was a money motive and plaintiffs lawyers involved. the prosecutors were overzealous, but none of that

really added up in the end. although it's true, there was no physical evidence to support the charges when you looked and listened to thez witnesses in the courtroom and you saw some of the corroborative evidence, the sort of creepy letters that jerry sandusky had written to some of these victims, clearly inappropriate. the toe talty of it made the case overwhelming. >> we got a sense a bit last night of the reaction in the community. but overall, how do you read it? what's been your experience while covering this trial? >> well, look, when those charges first came out last move, people were really shaken to the core here. there was a lot of anger among people at penn state and some of it frankly went -- was because of what they saw as the shabby treatment of the late joe paterno, who is an iconic figure here and a lot of anger among

students and alumni that joe paterno lost his job over this, of course, the president of the university lost his job over this as well. but you know, i think as team has gone on and people have learned more about just how horrific the charges were and how it was allowed to go on for so many years, i think that the -- the anger in that direction is lessened to some degree. and of course, having the trial take place and the enormous attention it's gotten and having the witnesses take the stand and tell these gripping stories has brought back a lot of raw emotions here. >> do you think any sense of relief this morning? >> reporter: some. some. but remember the fallout here and in particular for penn state is far from over. there are ongoing investigations into jerry sandusky's enablers as it were. two former top university

officials, former athletic director and former vice president are still facing charges on perjury for a grand jury about what they testified to about the mike mcqueary shower incident. and in addition, ongoing investigation into the president, former president graham spanier, this will be going on for some time. >> mike, thanks you so much. job well done. great covering this whole story. appreciate that. for more on the sandusky verdict, log on to msnbc.com. from there to washington, republican leaders are now pressing toward a vote that would place attorney general eric holder in contempt of congress. john boehner called on the justice department to release more documents in order to avoid the vote, which could happen as early as tuesday. joining me now is democratic congressman from vermont, peter welch, a member of the government reform committee. thank you for being here. >> thank you. >> i'm curious, i'd like your honest assessment on how much of the fast and furious fight is

purely political. if you want to look at the scale of one to ten, ten being all politics. put it in perspective. >> well, i'd say -- i don't want to give a number, but there's a legitimate aspect to the investigation that democrats are much in support of. this was a botched operation. we had an agent who died and want to find out what happened. the political part of this and this is what the questions are raised by the way the committee has acted, has to do with two things. number one, in some ways the committee tried to do too much and this is under mr. issa in that the original subpoena was demanding that the attorney general attorney over documents that would have made him violate the law had he complied. two things. specifically, the grand jury transcripts, it's illegal under the rules of federal criminal procedure to provide those and transcripts of applications for wiretaps. and the united states code prohibits the attorney general from turning them over.

darrel issa was overly aggressive in trying to compel the attorney general to violate his oath of office as it would have been required to comply with the subpoena. the second thing the committee has failed to do is allow there to be an investigation of the origins of fast and furious. it just so happens it began in the bush administration under mukasey and a lot of us have said, if we want to get to the truth, let's start at the beginning and mr. issa refused to let us do that. >> you mentioned brian terry and i want to play a clip of his parents talking about their suggestion that this was -- there was a cover-up by eric holder in the white house. here we are. >> i think that if he did this, then i think that there's something -- there's something that they don't want us to know and something to hide. >> they are talking about the president issuing an executive order here. they wished he hadn't used executive privilege because it

might raise the question about what did he know and when did he know it. does this complicate things? >> it does complicate it a bit because in fact those of us in the legislature, republicans and democrats, do want to have access to all of the information we need to come to a conclusion. i'd encourage the administration and i'd encourage darrel issa to sit down and try to work this out. the problem is when you send out a subpoena that literally -- this was a week ago friday, he changed it, it was demanding the ag turn over things that legally he can't turn over. and when there's a limitation on the scope of the investigation, so that the terry family and us in congress can't find out the origins of fast and furious, that raises questions and erodes the possibility whether it is a politically driven effort. >> you're bringing up the point there are limitations legally as to what can be turned over by

the justice department. what is it you would like to get still that's within legal reach? >> well, what mr. issa is trying to find and i don't know what the specifics are on this, to try to get anything after february 4th, any internal documents of the justice department. one of the things that happens when there's a dispute on whether a document is or isn't discoverable. if the attorney general's office wants to not turn it over, they create what's called a privilege log and you investigate that. i've encouraged both sides that that's something that should be done in order for us to come to a conclusion about what is or isn't being turned over. bottom line, we should be investigating fast and furious, i think all of us feel real concerned about the terry family. we feel concerned about not having these gun running

operations -- this was a botched investigation that ultimately included the death of agent terry. so we want to be comprehensive but the committee has to have credibility that it's about to pursuit of truth. when mr. issa is starting out calling the attorney generjanet liar and and calling the obama administration the most corrupt in history, it defeats the goal. >> representative from vermont, peter welch. many thanks for your time. appreciate it. >> thank you. in this week's office politics, we talk with our own martin bashir about the tenor in the country right now and what he calls contempt of the president by the political o pent ents. i ask if immigration will be a game changer as we head towards november. >> i think it's huge. you have to compare the republican position, which is

confused, multifact oral multiresolutional, they have different ideas, a dream act that marco rubio was sponsoring and boehner didn't like. you have others who suggest that any kind of resolution is a. amnes amnesty, there's a huge problem of the reality of demographics. what the president has done by offering what i think everybody would agree is a humane act. the statistics suggest in a recent poll that 63% of the population -- >> two thirds. >> welcome this as an action. i think it is important. having said that, i still think that this election is being defined by money and the power of it. i have a secret admiration for what they are doing. it's amazing. and if you add their discipline with the vast amount of money, i think that the president's decision on immigration and illegal aliens and children of illegal immigrants, i don't think it's going to be as forceful a fact as the money and power of the republicans.

>> you and i were talk before the interview officially started about the tenor of the country and how frankly disgusted we are by a lot of yoit. and you were really upset about the president being interrupted in the rose garden last week. >> this particular president has been subject to consistent contempt by his political opponents. i don't mean consistent differences of opinion. i mean contempt. so governor jan brewer meets him as he lands in arizona and points a finger into his face. he delivers a speech to the joint session of congress and joe wilson shouts out, you lied. and then we have an individual on a single day pass joining the press corps, quite clearly the president had laid out what he was going to do. we all knew the president was going to speak.

and it wasn't an open press conference and people throw questions as he finishes. it was quite clear he hadn't finished, he was speaking. again, there was that attempt to do that. and i was talking to congressman elijah cummings on the day it happened. he was here in new york on set and it's difficult because for an african-american congressman to say this is about race, would be immediately deemed as predictable and dismissed by many critics. and yet it's hard for us to understand what exactly this president has done to provoke the kind of contempt that he's received? i mean, did richard nixon who was responsible for one of the most corrupt periods of a presidency in the history of the office, was he ever shouted out and told you lied? did he ever have anyone point their finger in his face? it is horrendous.

and there is a cascading effect, i think. that kind of disregard for the office of the president, legitimatizes other people being just as contempt uous to others. it sets such an appalling tone. why do we have to behave like that? and yet, if people see the president being treated like that, especially young people, then all bets are off and you can do as you like. >> this picture here, who's running and why are they running? >> oh, this is -- that was my best time. i did a 5 k in new york for the susan g. komen foundation, which i've run every year. and i did 19:43 seconds. for an old man -- that was when i was 45, not too bad. i tore my hamstring so i had a strapping -- >> you ran like that? was that smart? >> i was improving and feeling better but i really wanted to do it. i was in agony and torture for about a month after that. >> he's all better now. speaking of running, we'll move

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right now the money pot is building for the school bus monitor bullied by students. this morning it is nearing the $600,000 mark. it started from this video that went viral. karen klein was sitting on the bus when four seventh grade boys taunted her with abusive and vile insults. last night members of the community turned out for a rally to support karen and she talked about the boys who bullied her.

>> i don't want to press charges. a lot of people think i'm crazy probably, i don't know. they are seventh graders, you know. i can't see doing that. >> well, the boys have apologized for your what they did but karen said she's not sure she believes them. what happened to karen produced an outpouring of support. they've been generously donating. joining me is max. if you look at all this money you started raising online. you have to be so impressed. first of all, how much longer can people donate to this sight? >> it's going to go on for another 27 more days. >> you started this. you thought let's try and get $5,000, send her on a vacation because she needs a break from these little snots. i'm sorry. i'm a parent but i can call them that. i'm absolutely disgusted by the way they behaved.

look at this. we're lookinging at $600,000. i thought maybe we were going to get a few thousand. that's why i put a month-long fund-raiser, but within three hours we surpassed my goal. people started spreading everywhere and started talking about it and posting it everywhere. people took it pretty much and ran with it. >> is this an an precedented am of money in your experience? because i understand you've done this before. you've organized campaigns to support others. >> i've never done something like this, no. this is the first time. tremendous support. tremendous. i've never seen anything like it. >> so this has got to be pretty inspirational to you. what inspired you? did you see the viral and thought you went ballistic and felt you had to do something? >> i felt so shocked, so shocked at what these kids were doing. i fell so sad for karen.

i had some bullying experiences when i was young, so i know how bad it feels when you're being bullied. i thought i have to do something about it. i can't just close this video and continue about my life. i thought, let's get her a vacation, get her away at least for a little bit. >> you know, people seem to be so strongly affected by what happened to karen. i mean listen to me. i'm using language i don't usually use on the air to describe boys. bob says the torture karen klein underwent goes beyond being barbaric. i hope the funds raised compensate her insofar as this is possible. what kind of response are you seeing? >> i can't understand how middle school kids could say or do such things. it was more than shocking to me. i hope they get some -- they understand what they've done is wrong and i hope they get some kind of punishment out of this. i just hope -- now the world

knows about this whole issue. it's getting a lot of light. it's just great. >> i hope their parents sort of figure out what they've dub wrong here and fix it. but does she get to keep all the money. >> she gets to keep every penny, yeah. there have been some rumors about me having anything to do with the money. it stays at the website and after the campaign is done, it goes straight to her. >> well, max, you've done a darn good thing. thank you for sharing your efforts with us. thank you. >> thank you very much. up next, a look at how some front pages are reporting the sandusky trial verdict. time for the "your business" entrepreneur of the week. nicholas wanted to start a window washing business. to stand out he wore a kilt his wife made for him. called the company men in kilts. for more, watch your business,

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