the cycle for day two begins right now. good tuesday to you. the gang's all here, they let us back in the building for day two. >> it's making headlines. >> they couldn't stop us, just like they can't stop the new york yankees, the best team in baseball, looking down the mountain at all the rest. >> what's on your mind, dre, i know you've got something you want to get often your chest. >> i know we're finally going to get a win in the college playoffs. >> i'm thinking of the 1998 tulane where they were screwed out of the title. >> it's a start. >> a 14-playoff, very exciting,

good for fans. good for the game. >> we'll check back in with college football when it actually means something to all of us here at the table. we begin with the veepstakes. 62 days from the republican national convention in atlanta. rumors are flying with people trying to read the tea leaves, no one guessed john mccain would pick up an obscure governor as vice president. we'll pick one, and then we'll bring in the national reporter for politico, to see how we did. you're going to be grading us david, are you comfortable with that? >> if he gives us bad grades, then he's not coming out. >> i'm going to start and pick wisconsin republican paul ryan.

paul ryan is great. i've got a big crush on paul ryan. he accomplishes the trick of not overshadowing romney. but he does pack economic pizzazz, and finally i think wisconsin may be could be in play this year? my kicker for this is that i think paul ryan should say no, but i think mitt romney should ask him. so david, what do you think, how did i do? >> it looks like paul ryan is being vetted. it was reported last week that he is under consideration. a lot of the points that you make are valid. the conservatives love him. he's a serious policy person on the budget. there's no question about that. democrats even respect the guy, he comes to the table armed for bear with his information. but i think he's a bit too radioactive. you go back to earlier this spring, the obama administration signaled they wanted to run against ryan, obama came out in

his speech hammering ryan and died romney to ryan even before romney had a chance to embrace -- >> and because of that, he might not be the do no harm candidate that i know mitt romney is looking for. >> i would welcome paul ryan on the republican ticket for exactly the reasons david just spelled out. >> i feel like the gop electorate who wants to be able to verbally punch barack obama in the face, they want blood, they want somebody who's going to be mean to him. and i think there's only one guy who's going to deliver what they want. show them what i'm talking about. >> have any of your children come home and said to you, mom, dad, please, just pay for my teacher's health benefits and i'll get as. let's start with this, i sat here very respectfully and listened to you, if what you want to do is put on a show and giggle every time i talk, then i

have no interest in answering your question. >> can you imagine the mississippi heat in june, taking heat from someone while i talk like joe soprano. >> governor chris christie of new jersey is combative, he's confrontational. he'll keep the focus on him. he's a candidate that i would love to see mitt romney pick. >> not going to happen. david how did he do. >> you're trying to start trouble here. chris christie is not the guy to stand behind another politician and just sort of clap and nod and stay on message. chris christie, sure, he would bring a jolt of excitement. i do think he might have a problem with social conservatives, when you get down

there to tampa in august. who don't necessarily think they're one of them. the bottom line is he's too big of a personality. he would overshadow romney just by standing behind it. >> right, chris, who do you like? >> and on the christy thing, you think you have a bad gender gap now, chris christie wouldn't go over so well. i don't actually think mitt romney will choose, but if i were him, i would look at condoleezza rice. this election cycle democrats have really had an advantage on who could combat terrorism. i think she could speak more on -- she does blunt some of the imagery of the republican party as the party of old white guys. >> okay, david, how did she do? >> i'm with her on trying to

blunt the party of old white guys, that that's in republican operatives minds, as this process goes on. i don't think condoleezza rice is going to be the pick not because of her foreign policy credentials which are obviously impeccable and she would help counter balance romney's weakness on that effort. but again, social issues, which are still really important, they're not at the forefront of the conversation, but her position on abortion is controversial. the female that i think that's been overlooked is new mexico governor suzanna martinez. >> a lot of people kind of dream of a condoleezza rice pick, but isn't part of the problem that she's never run for elective office, and this would be an entirely new thing, rolling her

into the super bowl when she's never played before. >> and she wants to be nfl commissioner. >> let's hear from steve. >> if i'm mitt romney, first of all, i am more boring than i already am to begin with. >> oh, stop. >> but the romney strategy in this campaign is very simple. it's to embrace the boring and to be generic, and they put all their marbles in that jar, if you're the economically frustrated -- you don't want to be -- you want somebody who strikes this sort of difficult balance between being boring and being generic and being marketable. i would x out thon tim pawlenty, because he showed he was so boring when he ran for president. and that would leave me with john thun. >> he's a great american.

so david, how did steve do? >> i like that pick, but i don't understand why you don't go with tim pawlenty if you want to be boring and marketable. and pick a governor, another governor on the ticket, which republicans are high on. the only problem with john thune is i can't name anything he's done, there's two things about im, he's a good looking guy and charming and he beat tom daschle. where else do you go if you're going to make that argument that he's the -- >> he's a huge packer fan, enough said. that's all we need to know. >> thank you for grading us, no one here brought up marco rubio, which is the most often whispered and yelled about rumored presidential vp pick. but anyway, next survivor incumbent edition, will two long time electeds make it past

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the presidential primaries are all but wrapped up. who are the incouple beens, for some it's the best of times, for some it's the worst of times.

in new york, the 82-year-old wrangle who's been battered over ethics violations and is running in a redrawn district is fighting for his political life. it took an endorsement from andrew cuomo to give him some momentum today. but we got to put it through the spin cycle. his friend didn't lose, he wants to make sure that he didn't lose. is this honest growth as a human being, or is he promising to be the change that the republican party wants to be? >> he's evolving as a human being. >> this is his first primary since 1976, he watched what happened to bob bennett, his friend in the senate, but more importantly, i think he learned lessons from dick luger in indiana who was indignant that he was being sort of called back

to his home state. and i think orrin hatch has made a point of showing his constituents in utah. he still wants to be there. >> he wants to be in the senate so he'll say anything he has to stay in washington. >> at least he's telling us he still cares, he's very in touch with his voters, while luger was very -- >> the club for growth was kind of the first one who would primary incumbents who they consider to be rhinos and not far enough to the right and hatch moved so that he eventually got tea party express, club four growth, sarah palin all to line up behind him to avoid the fate of some of these colleagues. >> you can make two very interesting bookends here about the story of orrin hatch's career, or the study of moderate conservativism. he came in in 1976 who was written off and ran as a reagan

conservative. he was one of the tl-- there we number of primaries that took out some incumbents. all these sort of entrenched rockefeller republicans are beaten. fast forward to 30 years later. the conservatism has moved so far to the right, it's a lot about tactics, it's about using a vehicle for partisan dale maker, he's walked across the aisle and that has struck the suspicion of conservatives he's pure and too much of a washington insider. >> if you thought the high court's immigration ruling was big. just wait for thursday, the decision of the century. health care.

there's a 76% chance that those poll -- >> what do you think will happen, will the individual mandate go down? yes or no? >> i would take the conventional wisdom and say the individual mandate goes down. there's a lot of valid points of this law that will still be in effect and the question is will democrats defend that and say there's still something here that can radically change america. >> i think democrats by and large accepted this framing of the mandate is the health care. the mandate is not the health care bill. there's insurance reforms, there is an expansion of medicare, there's an exchange of how to pay doctors to make it more on call than quantity. there's a lot in this bill that is not dependent on the mandate and we have allowed the

republicans to control the narrative around that. >> if obama is not campaigning on lowering co-pays. i think they're going to strike down the mandate and uphold. >> i'm going to be different as usual and say they will not strike down the mandate, because congress can regulate health care. >> how does this work, you make bets on what's going to happen? >> it's an online futures market. he asked 1,000 people and they're going to get wild guesses. >> and i did take a look back at what people were siing before the immigration ruling and trade pretty much got it right on that one. >> one thing that passed a little bit under the radar yesterday, because it was such huge news with the arizona law. juvenile defenders can not be

sent to live without prison mandatorily. i think it's critical when we are talking about juvenile offenders, i don't want to see anymore of these mandatory minimums shackling judges to what they must do. i think that's one of the major problems in the modern justice system. >> you brought up something yesterday with the immigration ruling that the private prison industry had actually invested a lot of money into these anti-immigration laws such as sb 1070. and 30 of the 60 co-responsiveness spores had taken money from prison lobbyists and this is another incident in something that private industry is invested, mandatory life sentences. >> i just want to see judges have the right to assess what is going on with this person, to have the right to -- rather than well, the book says this, so that's what you get, see you later. we're the only nation in the

world that would -- major nation in the world, democratic nation of the world that would send a juvenile to life without parole? don't you imagine that you can do something and somehow change? >> what if you do something horrific at 18? you want a case-by-case basis. >> that's all i'm talking about. all right friends, we're going inside facebook with the author of a tell all who worked at the behemoth and she knows what facebook really is and she's in the guest box. ...the united states would be on that list. in 25th place. let's raise academic standards across the nation. let's get back to the head of the class. let's solve this.

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mark! mark! >> he's wired in. >> sorry? >> he's wired in. >> is he? >> yes. >> how about now, are you still wired in? >> so good, "the social network"

that dramatized the behemoth's beginning. in the guest spot today is facebook employee who ended up in mark zuckerberg's inner circle. katherine's book, "the boy kings" looking into the heart of the social network. thank you for joining us. >> hi, good to be here. >> here's my first question about the culture at facebook. you talk about how you took it upon yourself to go after cyber bullying, which you saw as sort of an early revolution of facebook. i'm going to pull a quote from the book, where you say facebook like the internet in general made it so easy for people to post and gain visibility for

connant creating groups devoted to whatever cause they espoused. most of these groups were devoted to bullying of some kind, from petty harassment of a classmate to hate tread of a marginalized group. mark zuckerberg kind of started out as a bully himself. was this your directive? or how did that begin? >> i think that was our job on the customer support team was to kind of take care of the users and try to make sure that they didn't have a negative effect of having all this connectivity. one of the things about facebook is that we connect really quickly. but the problem is sometimes it makes it easy to harass each other. so that was our job to really take care of that. >> and it's such a relevant issue right now with cyber bullying. another reference to the culture, you talk about what it was like to work for a kid who

came in every day with sandals and sweat pants and talked in vagaries, another great quote that i'm going to pull from the book. when the meetings ended, he would say either domination or evolution, and everyone would laugh nervously with a warm and almost chilling excitement. it was like we were given a charter by a boy younger than most of us to take over the world and get paid to do it. you talk about how he was treated like some kind of god. tell me more about that. >> i think we all really knew to trust mark because his vision was leading us forward as a company. and his vision is extremely strong for facebook. he's the one who saw the idea for a news feed and he was like we need to have this, we need to create beta connectivity, we need to be able to distribute the information faster and faster. and part of that was being able to trust that. >> we just saw that facebook for the first time added a woman to

their board. and you speak about some of the the almost fraternity style culture, you talk about vip parties where girls were brought to the tables by bouncers and dismissed if they weren't pretty enough. was this pervasive throughout facebook? and also is that a broader part of the sort of tech culture? >> you know, i think it's on an individual basis. i think lots of these guys are really great and would never do anything like that, everyone has like a bad moment here and there sometimes, where they go too far. i think the thing about silicon valley and tech is that it's so male dominated. it's beginning to change, but that's how it was when i started. these things could happen and it wasn't really clear that anyone would be around to say no, that's not okay, you shouldn't do that. that's the situation women in technology are facing and i'm really looking forward to it getting a lot better. >> this is a really fascinating book and i congratulate you on what you did and it really takes

us inside what facebook is all about. the thing i really appreciated was getting to see who zuckerberg really is and one of the more fascinating stories in the book, it's mark zuckerberg's birthday, they tell the women, wear t-shirts with his face on it. the women are worshipful and the men are emboding him in some way? i know you ask, is he my god? is he my president? i find that extremely creepy, you said that you were the only woman who called out sick that day. i hope that that's true. but one of the things that jumped out at me too, you said that the television show that most closely said to you what the culture of facebook was about is "the wire." i was like what is she talking about? can you unpack that analogy? >> i love "the wire" i'm a big

fan of the show, i lived in baltimore prior to living in california and working at facebook. i noticed that there's this way that the internet sort of battles for territory, the same thing as in "the wire" -- i noticed that happening in the facebook and the sill vicon val environment as well. >> doesn't this guy who's so imperious and so war like, talking about domination and revolution has such a control over our lives in the private information that we have? >> and how few of us even ever think about that, right? i i think that's the key to the effect, is that 5% of people who use facebook really think about

it. >> i i remember when friendstr, and then there was facebook. >> facebook has had an extraordinarily long run at the top of the food chain. >> twitter starts to pop-up. pinster now, is facebook an institution? a permanent institution? >> i feel like facebook is heading toward being or is already, a headless nail, it's a sort of a global phone book. and when people talk about committing facebook suicide. >> i'm not so sure about that, we saw with the ipo, it was not as successful as people thought it was going to be. but partly the financials came out and said that ad revenue was down. and that's the reflection of the growth strategy. >> what the competing service. >> what is the sears to their

k-mart? >> because you know mark very well and you have watched him evolve, is he a nice guy? >> yeah, i really enjoyed working -- >> what do you mean yeah, your book makes him seem imperious, war like, rude, sexist, i didn't expect a simple yeah from you there. >> everyone's complicated, personalities are complicated. but at times he showed a really strong interest in our well-being as employees, he would say, i want the employees to be happy. and there's a subsidy for us all to move within a mile of the office. >> he wanted the engineers to be happy, he didn't care if you were happy. >> everyone did receive a subsi subsidy. >> thank you, katherine, thank you for being with us. the book is "the boy kings" pick it up. 60% of young people voted for obama in 2008, but will they go for him again?

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does youth equal president obama? that's the conventional wisdom when it comes to where the youth vote will end up in november. but our next guest says not so fast. alex shriver is part of the republican national committee and joins us from washington. i'm looking at the polling here, you know, the president beat john mccain in 2008 by 35 points. he's up in a new harvard poll, significantly, on mitt romney with young people. he's made student loan interest rates and pell grants and health care reform key parts of his platform. what am i missing here? >> you're missing the fact that this president over the last 3 1/2 years has failed young voters.

there was a pullout last week that the president's margin of young voters has gone 66-32 in 2008 down to just one point, 50-37 in mitt romney. young people are realizing their lives are not better off four years later. they're saying we want a president who's going to fix these problems not make them worse for our generation. >> you have the paul ryan budget plan, which would cut pell grants, he's offered nothing in the way of a health care reform plan, to help young people get health insurance, what does mitt romney have to offer here to young people? >> the number one issue is jobs and the economy. >> and the president is also focusing jobs and the economy. both candidates have made that a priority. >> we have been focusing on jobs and the economy for the last 3 1/2 years. this has unlt vn't just bln a

bad time for young people. this has been a historically bad time for young people and we need real change and real hope in the white house to actually get young people and this generation back on track. >> we do understand that much of the problem is because of the polities of george w. bush, right? >> yeah. and here's the thing, that rhetoric is fine. instead of the republican in congress, steve, let me ask you this, because here's my thing, because if republicans are so confident that they can win the youth vote, why have they gone out of their way to make it hard for college -- they have passed voter id laws that would make it harder for college students to vote. if they think they -- >> we need to have some sense of perspective. it's true in 2008 it was a

66-31% margin for obama among young people. the key to remember is every single demographic group that you check, obama is going to have less support with right now than he did in 2008, basically across the board, there's going to be some fluctuation there, but when you're presiding over an economy that's as bad as this one, you're going to see a slip. but young people is still his strongest age demographic. there's a long-term issue here that the republican party needs to talk about when they talk about the youth vote. they 1e7bd out a message that really turns off young people in this country. if you ask for instance gay marriage, ask a 21-29-year-old, do you think gay marriage should be legal? i think there's a real disconnect there and until the republican party comes along on

that, they don't have a long-term answer. >> if you were the president, right, and you were trying to have -- i think he still by and large has young people on his side. but there is a question of enthusiasm. if you were trying to get young people to register, despite these hon neverous laws, to come out and actually vote, what would you do if you were him, given the tough place in the economy? >> obama's going to get the vote, i think that's clear. but i think where republicans are pointing out, that liberals get it wrong when the economy's bad. they think that identity politics every time is going to drive people to the polls. and it's not. as alex said, it's the economy and it's jobs and this demographic in particularly is concerned about the bad economy people out into a very

in-hospitalable environment. stay tong parents insurance until they're 26 is not the kind of opportunity that they're most concerned. >> i generally find young republicans to be a sort of strange breed, most young people, regardless of who's at the top of the ticket, most young people tend to be democrats and it's been that way for a long time. so when p i meet a young republican, i want to put him on the couch and say, how did this happen to you, and how might you be saved? can you talk a little bit fill softically about why you are a republican. >> are you really treating him p like he's some kind of science experiment? >> how old are you. >> i'm 21 years old and i'm proud to be a republican. this idea that when you're young you're supposed to be liberal and as you grow old you grow

more conservative. 8 million young people have come of age. these are college freshman and sophomores who saw their older brothers and sisters get caught up in hope amend change, that 8 million new voters, we're confident they are going to come out, they are going to be enthusiastic, but unfortunately for this white house, not for their guy. >> everybody agrees that the economy is in a very tough place right now, the question is what are you going to do about it. alex, i want to thank you so much for joining us today, and up next, careful what you wish for, what the outcome of egypt's elections mean for the future of that country and it's relationship with ours.

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there's a lot of turmoil today, a lot going on. give us an update? >> reporter: that power drug thal we have seen unfolding on the streets of cairo has shifted to the presidential u towers and the ministers of defense. it's now between the president elect and the military. the first order of business for tin coming president, to form a cabinet to really form an administration. the key question is what powers will that administration have and more importantly, will he be allowed to choose the candidates he wants. they're going to appoint the foreign minister as well as the powerful minister of the interiors. >> in the united states we think of the position of the president having so much power behind it as sort of the chief kpikive. but it's -- we're looking at a

country where the parolment's resolved, a new constitution is going to be written. how power will he be when this all shakes out? >> to some extent, he will have some power domestically, he will have the power at least that once he's appointed his cabinet to be able to shape the testic policies inside his administration. things to do with health care, and particularly law and order. when it comes to issues of foreign policy and national security, that's where the military's still retaining a lot of the powers and a lot of that matters to the u.s. particularly because egypt's peace treaty with israel. that's one of the things that morsi has promised to do, he's going to abide and keep egypt committed to all of its internation international --. >> i want to ask you a little bit more about that, because it's hard to get a reading from where we are, what the appetite

of the egypt shan people are, they voted for morsi not by a huge margin, and i think the fact that amed shafiq was even close is that this was a vote against the old regime, and not for morsi. the other thing that was in the polls that the egyptian people in very large numbers would like to see egypt end the treaty with israel. so what's on the ground as the muslim brotherhood candidate and the egyptian military sort of meet out these issues. >> those two issue are somewhat separate, but they're very important. out of egypt's total potential voters, about 25 million participated in this election, which was just a little bit

under half of the electoral base if you will. there were people that could have voted but they boycotted the election because they were dissatisfied with both of these candidates. in the first round, neither one of these men had the majority. but when it comes to egypt's attitudes towards israel, the majority of egyptians do not see the peace treaty that they have now. that does not mean that they want to go to war with israel, it does not mean that they want to start a confrontation with israel, but is peace of israel has not ended it's national sovereignty and it's national security over a lot of issues. particularly when it comes to egypt's border with gaza and it's control over the sigh ni peninsula. >> let's expand this a lil' and talk about how this relates to america. what does his election mean to

america? >> it is a very important milestone for u.s. foreign policy in the region. yes, the incoming president studied in the u.s., he actually taught in california for a little bit. two of these children are american citizens, he himself says he wants to have good relations with the united states. but why egypt matters for several reasons. for 30 years since the peace treaty with israel, the peace treaty has been the corner stone of their foreign policy in egypt. more importantly, the suez canal through which so much of the world's oil passes through on a daily basis, all of that matters to the u.s. in that region. if egypt becomes a democracy, there's no doubt it will have a spillover effects on other countries, there's no doubt egypt is an important lynch pin

of u.s. interests across the region. >> one thing that is interesting to note here, unlike syria, even though we don't know exactly what sort of a face and what sort of a a relationship we're o be able to have with morsi, we have more leverage with egypt because they rely on our foreign aid. they're the second largest non nato recipient of foreign aid in the united states. they also have a weak economy, so it seems like we have a bit more leverage in this situation than with syria. >> we've been talking to the egyptian military. it's not like an army. it's almost like a political party. the whole of this sort of revolution, to make sure that we have some influence. the united states has had to choose essentially between championing the democratic

process throughout the arab spring and championing a candidate who's going to be more in line with our interests and morsi and the muslim brotherhood are not more in line with our interests. >> there is a west point study that shows democracies breed fewer terrorists, so from that perspective. >> of course. >> i think it's undetermined right now how much power is the military going to allow the muslim brotherhood to take. they're claiming to have more of a secular coalition. so i think it's ambiguous right now. >> the example here to offer some encouragement maybe long-term in turkey. where you have an islamist party that came to power, but they sort of merged political islam with pluralism. the tradition in turkey was similar to egypt where the secular forces were the military. it was the military that ran the country and they were sort of the great hopes, so maybe long-term, that could be where

this shakes out. >> what do you think of that? a model for egypt? >> well, there's no doubt a lot of comparisons have been made between egypt and turkey and to some extent, yes. there have been similar questions asked by the turkish public that now have to be answered by egyptians. what role will the military play? how do you strengthen forces and preserve islam without overtaking the state. there's no doubt as well one of the important points that you guys were talking about earlier, when it come to egypt and the question of isralam, one of the criticisms of u.s. foreign policy in egypt is that it has been very depent on the military and one man. president mubarak. now that president mubarak is gone, does the u.s. have

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what to do with two minutes of uninterrupted air time. i'm going for broke in case i'm told my services are no longer needed. poor president obama. since the day he has come into office, he has found it difficult to live within the confines of the democratic process and constitution. centuries old institutions that most americans agree have served was well over the years. but obama is increasingly looking like a man without a country. life would be so much easier for a president who wishing american democracy were a little less rigid ar more, well, pliable. first, it was the individual mandate and obama's signature health care legislation, then there was his hhs mandate to force catholic institutions to violate their religious freedom. then there's the federal immigration law, which obama decided he would not entirely enforce last week. he authorized military action in

libya without asking congress for approval. dennis kucinich had to remind him of that. he authorized the killing of a very bad dude. they're supposed to get fifth amendment rights. for a guy who should be well apprised of the limitations of our constitution, he was after all a constitutional law professor, obama sure can't seem to live within his means. some of you will call me a obstructionist, partisan hack or result to total desperation and call me a racist, but the truth is, if a republican president overreached in his authority as much as obama has, you'd be calling for his impeachment. >> president bush did overreach just the same amount. remember the patriot act. this sort of imperial approach to the presidency goes back to fdr. you just don't like president

obama being in charge. >> hold on. catholic church. that is not a, that is not a freedom of religion issue. no, who's being forced to violate their religious tenant? nobody's being forced to take birth control. and -- >> maybe health care will be unconstitutional, which it's not, intrastate congress can be policed by congress. it's not unconstitutional. >> you were not a supreme court justice. >> let's say -- >> neither are you. >> a fair listen. i think you have a fair point when it comes to libya. i think you have a fair point the killings, but you talk about the supreme court ruling tomorrow, if the supreme court strikes down the individual mandate, that does not mean it's unconstitutional. >> thank you for giving me my time. i really appreciate it. >> that does it for the the cycle. martin, it's all yours. >> you're