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hours after the supreme court's momentous decision to uphold the health care law. it seems to only have escalated the fight. the obama campaign boils it down to this. in a fundraising e-mail they said, one, pass historic health care reform. check. get affirmation from the highest court in the country. check. number three, win the damn election. >> my view is that it was a victory for people all around this country because of this law. >> republicans, meantime, wasted no time scheduling a symbolic vote to repeal the health care l law. it will happen after the july 4th recess. >> there is no question that the court's decision underscores and delineates what's at stake in november. we're going to continue to try and fight and repeal this bill. >> sarah palin sums up the republican mantra. thank you, scotus.
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this obama care ruling fires up the troops as america's eyes are opened. thank god. i'mç joined by reid wilson. good morning. anybody get any sleep last night. ann, let me start with you. a lot of headlines. i want to show you some of them. the daily news has the president toasting and big headline in "the washington post." victory for obama on the "new york times." look, the republicans certainly aren't acting like it was a victory for obama. they are acting like it's a victory for them. is there a winner here politically or will time tell? >> both sides were ready to spin it to their favor but i think it's hard to argue that it's not a victory for president obama on the substance of it. the law will stand. it will be enacted. and the only argument that republicans are making, really, is that politically and perhaps
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in some ways legally they have gotten an advantage. politically, of course, because it's going to potentially fire up their base. although, i think it remains to be seen how much it will be and how much mitt romney is going to want to talk about a law that is close to the one that he enacted in massachusetts. so i think obviously time will tell but i think it's a very hard case to make that this was just a draw of some kind. >> that's kind of trick, isn't it, for mitt romney, for him to talk about it. he doesn't want to talk about health care in massachusetts. he doesn't want to give the democrats a chance to say, look, this is a law based on what mitt romney did in massachusetts? >> well, sure. because mitt romney has a better argument.ç the economy is still mired in recession and making a comeback way to lose. romney will put all of that on president obama. the reason he doesn't want to talk about health care is that there is this overriding issue
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that so many americans care about more than health care. we are starting to see fatigue in polling and even in the message of the campaigns where people just don't want to talk about this anymore. they want to stick to the economy because that weighs so heavily on voters' minds. >> and there is the school of thought that mitt romney is not talking about the economy. it's talking about health care is a bad day. that he wants to be talking jobs and the economy. so are the sarah palins of the world essentially taking him off message? >> look, i think president obama wants to be talking about the economy, too, in some respects and i would expect to be seeing both sides tieing health care to the economy. you heard it starting yesterday when mitt romney gave his remarks. he talked about this being increased tax on businesses. when president obama talks about it, this is going to be a big boom to the health care industry, it's going to provide jobs and most importantly help individuals. so, yes, i think that the prak
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for is on both sides and also the people who applaud it on both sides risk distracting them from the central message. on the other hand, it's not even been 24 hours. it's just been 24 hours now. come back to me a week and a half from now after the july 4th recess. let's see if they are still focused on it. i have a feeling they won't be. >> çokay. stay tuned. i'm also joined by chris van holland. after you predicted that the supreme court would uphold the law, i said to come back and we'll talk about it. we'll give you kudos for that. are you worried at all that the supreme court handed republicans a loss but on the other hand gave them a winning issue? >> no, i'm not, chris. because what the supreme court did was tell the country that this law is constitutional. we heard all of this demogogary and then they said it was a
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government takeover of health care which they said was the lie of the year and then they said it was unconstitutional. what the supreme court did was add credibility to our argument, that this is a constitutionally sound approach. and we know that americans like the provisions of this law. now it will be important to make sure that we put all of the pieces together going forward. but i think it was a really good day and republicans are now in the strange position where they have become the party of defending that the free riders and the people who are free loading on the health care system because the simple idea behind the law is everyone has to put a little into health care because when some people put in nothing, all the rest of us pay more. higher premiums, higher taxes. >> you know how they are framing it. they say, look, the court says the mandate amounts to a tax and essentially what has happened here is what the democrats have pushed through is another tax. what are you -- how do you
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respond to that? >> well, the response is, this is designed exactly the way mitt romneyç designed this is in massachusetts. mitt romney understood, as did other republicans, that when come people contribute nothing to the health care system -- in other words, they get in an accident and everybody else pays or they get sick and everybody else pays, that simply drives up the cost for everybody else. higher premiums and higher taxes because it's not hospitals that take the hit. it's taxpayers who have to pay hospitals for uncompensated care when everybody has insurance and then taxpayers don't have to pay that. so the really curious turn here is that republicans are defending the idea that some people can contribute nothing to health care but get all of the benefits of the health care system. and at the same time, republicans now want to take away the very real benefits that are in place, allowing kids to stay on their parents' insurance policies until age 26, getting rid of pre-existing conditions.
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they want to repeal all of that. >> and they say they want to repeal it because they can't afford it. that's the same mantra we've heard from them throughout the entire health care debate going back to 2010. i don't know if you saw on "morning joe" but eric cantor said that republicans could repeal the law in the senate through reconciliation. i want to ask you about the are repeal vote that's coming up and how the republicans might move on this going forward. how seriously do you take their threat? >> well, i don't take it seriously. it's an empty political gesture. remember, the very first vote that republicans took in the house of representatives when they had the majority was to repeal the health care bill. it passed the house. it's going nowhere in the senate. it's also important to remember that the nonpartisan 2 c1 congressional budget office said, when you take all of the components of the health care, it will actually reduce our deficit, both over a ten-year period and a 20-year period. it will reduce the costs of
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people's premiums, partly because people who have coverage won't be paying any more for the free riders in the system. so i think this was a good day. to the extent that the republicans want to focus on this issue and this rear guard action in creating more uncertainty, the voters are not going to take kindly to that. people want to focus on moving forward. they want to focus on jobs in the economy. and it remains now months and months since the republicans have been sitting on the president's jobs initiative that he submitted last september. so let's get on to that business. >> congressman chris van hollen, always good to have you on the program. >> thank you. >> so, reid, are the republicans serious? do they think that they can repeal this or is it more about firing up the base and a political calculation that, frankly, talking about this is more helpful than harmful by taking romney off message about the economy? >> well, again, as ann brought
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up, this is sort of the reaction the day after. but in the long run, reconciliation process that you brought%o up is a serious possibilit possibility, a serious way to go about repealing the health care law. i mean, this is why the battle for the senate is so important as democrats have 53 seats but they are also defending 23 in this cycle, including a lot of very competitive racesç in ope seats and states like north dakota and nebraska. they don't have much of a margin to work with here if they end up -- if republicans end up with the majority of 2013. well, they are going to have a good shot at doing something via are reconciliation. >> ann, this will be an election that can be fought on margins and little things can help or hurt in very specific areas. is the supreme court going to be in play? is it going to be a conversation, maybe not specifically about health care come october or november but at
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least in the sense that you have four supreme court justices over 70 and the influence that a president will have in naming supreme court justices? >> well, i think the answer is yes and no. i mean, yes in the sense that since 2000, since the recount the supreme court has always been an issue for both sides saying look what is at stake here. on the other side you have chief roberts being the swing vote. i think that's why you see some republicans so angry today, that simply electing a republican would fix that. that doesn't take away the urgency from doing so but it does diffuse the argument somewhat. and on chief roberts' part, justifiably so. >> on the anger-o-meter, where are the republicans this morning, vis-a-vis, john roberts? >> i think there are some that
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are angry with john roberts and some ovp)t statements were made yesterday as the ruling came down. but other people as they read the ruling and realize that now that the mandate is considered a tax and that is the way that congress is allowed to regulate the health insurance industry, they are sort of realizing that roberts may have been pretty clever in how he crafted this opinion. and sort of giving republicans, handing republicans a path to overturn it eventually through this reconciliation process. so i think there are some people who are starting to see that roberts is playing a longer game. there was a good, long post on that yesterday, in terms of how roberts is looking ahead and looking beyond simply one decision. a lot of people are calling this a victory for president obama. the democrats are going to have a lot to defend. >> thank you both. as you might imagine, mixed
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reactions from americans from patients with pre-existing conditions to small business owners. >> it brought tears to my eyes. it took a ton of bricks off me. i felt like relief. i'm actually going to be able to keep my health care coverage. >> without a doubt it's something that we're ready to expand and at this point what i'll do is either hold off or i may hire part-time employees in the form of -- instead of full-time employees. >> we're also getting new reaction from our followers on twitter. shelly says, if people wouldn't be so lazy and spend ten minutes doing research, they would enthusiastically support aca. and lauren says, i had health insuranceç and got rid of it f cost. that doesn't mean somebody else should be responsible to pay it for me. [ music playing, indistinct conversations ]
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the hmamth care decision may disspell concerns that the supreme court has become as political as the other branches of government. history will be the judge. joining me to help put all of this into context is harvard law school professor who taught president obama and chief justice john roberts. good morning. welcome back to the program. >> good to be here, chris. >> i want to play first, professor, the prediction you made on this program on tuesday. >> i do think that the court will surprise a lot of people when it probably upholds the affordable care act. >> you do think it's going to be it will be upheld in its entirety? >> i do think it's going to be upheld in its entirety. i could be wrong. >> but you weren't.
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what do you think happened here, professor? >> the greatest chief justices always play a long game. in this case i was sort of thinking overnight about president obama's second book, "the audacity of hope." and i think in this case the audacity of hope meant the audacity of modesty. roberts has always believed in taking small steps. in this case, rather than taking a huge step intoç chasm, this w that extends to millions of people for the first time in a century and rather than making historic new law by establishing limits on the taxing power, i think the chief justice stepped back and said, look, we have a responsibility not only to preserve our own credibility as
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an institution but to look for ways, if possible, to uphold the democratic process and in this case it produced something and although it wasn't called a tax, simply by adjusting a person's tax liability. in the very first instance of the oral argument, chief roberts dropped some hints that he may see this as an exercising of a taxing power. so he could be simultaneously modest in terms of deferring to the political branches, he could lay new limits on the commerce power as he did speaking only for himself but in a court with four really solid conservatives, those limits may make a difference in the future he could limit congress' ability to eliminate the states through spending power.
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he could do it at the same time without a constitutional and in his role as chief justice of the united states, i thought it quite plausible for him to take and, as you see, he didç just that. >> what does this mean going forward? does it tell us anything about what we might see in the future? >> well, he's not going to side with them on affirmative action, the use of race in overcoming past discrimination and achieving diversity. but it certainly defines this as the roberts court and i think that because he's going to be there for another quarter century, at least, perhaps longer, he's going to have plenty of opportunities to pull the court out of the fire, plenty of opportunities to
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crea create win-win-win situations. we have enormous paralysis is in the legislative branch. we have a presidency that is muscular, creative, and imaginative. but it can't do that much on its own. it's critical that the third branch preserve its fire power where the rights of individuals are truly at stake and where other people are crossing the boundaries that the constitution lays down. i think we're going to see this as the roberts court shaped over time in the next series of appointments. >> in the meantime, though it may make the court look less political, i want to get your reaction to this statement made by sent for rand paul.ç quote, just because a majority of the supreme court declares
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something to be constitutional does not make it so. what's your reaction to that? >> well, you know, there are times when that's true. the supreme court has said some pretty terrible things in the past. the dread scott case saying that the supreme court has the final word temporarily but because of what people generally understand the constitution to mean makes a different. because the constitution can be amended, i think what rand paul said, as throwing down the gauntlet, i think he's quite right. >> it has been a pleasure to have you on this program to help us make our way through all of this. thank you for coming back. lawrence tribe, harvard law school professor.
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ruling came out yesterday. 300,000 was raised in just the first hour after the ruling. joining me now is the funder and president of the bernard center, michelle bernard. good morning. >> good morning. >> that number is what romney would normally take in on a given day. is this some kind of proof for republicans? >> it's an astounding figure if you figure that the ruling was just issued yesterday. it's an enormous sum of money. i think it's a galvanizing force for many republicans who see thisç as a way to defeat the president. not so much talking about the individual mandate but the language that will be used accusing the president of imposing a tax on all americans for the sake of making sure that americans have health care coverage. >> chris, are you surprised by
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the number? >> it's a pretty significant number but in terms of galvanizing the base, at the end of the day, the republicans were going to come home and vote for mitt romney. i'm not so sure that that is a surprise. i think it depends on how independents look at it. if democrats, in particular, continue to make the argument about the positives in terms of pre-existing conditions, in terms of expanding coverage, et cetera, et cetera, i think we have a really good position i'm not sure republicans are going to find themselves in a position that they think they are down the road. >> the more money you have, chris, the more opportunities you have to get the money out to independents and the obama camp has not released fundraising figures since the ruling. do you think, chris, they are not revealing it because there's not that much money coming in? maybe it's pouring in and they don't want people to think that they don't need to give because they are already getting so much. what is going on there? >> the reason they are not releasing the number, whatever
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it might be, is because i think to the president and to democrats this wasn't about politics. this actually was about policy. and i think what the supreme court affirmed yesterday, that this was, in effect, not only constitutional but if you dig down into the çdecision, in my opinion, be it was also good policy. i think they don't want to play this political game. republicans do but i think -- i'd hesitate to say that the republicans -- be careful at you wish for because the biggest champion of this health care law is mitt romney and he just doesn't want to admit it. >> michelle, what about the politics of this? i mean, we've said this a million times on this program while overall americans had concern about the overall mandate when you drilled down on the specifics of the law they like covering college students, they like coverage for pre-existing conditions, they like expanded coverage for the elderly. so the specifics of it tend to get high marks from the american
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people and i'm just wondering, is there a danger in the republicans after the supreme court has spoken, continuing to talk about this and not the economy and not jobs? >> absolutely. before we went on the air, chris, i was making notes to myself and i literally wrote jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs. so many people, particularly republicans, over the last couple of years who said the president's biggest mistake was not focusing on jobs and the economy but focusing on health care. that being said, he focused on health care. this is a political and a policy win for president obama. it will be part of his legacy, whether he's are re-elected or not. but that being said, if you step back from it, when you watch television or listen to the radio and the first thing you do is see republican after republican coming out and talking about the politics of this and how they are going to repeal and replace health care when we still have an unemployment rate hovering at about 8% in communities of color, it's even larger when we think about all of the things that are supposed to happenç i our economy right after the election starting about december 31st or early january of 2013.
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many, many americans are going to be sitting back and saying to themselves, is it so important to you that you basically burn this president that you're willing to burn us also? focus on a jobs bill and focus on making sure our economy recovers. not on repealing and replacing a law that we have been told by the highest court of the land is constitutional. >> nevertheless, chris, the republicans are making the argument about this being a tax. let me read for you from the "new york times" this morning, quote, one of mr. obama's central campaign promises was no individual making less than $200,000 a year, no couple with an annual income under $250,000 would pay one penny in new taxes if he were elected. republicans including mitch mcconnell are blasting this health care law as a tax. could that be a winning argument? >> i don't think it's a winning argument for one simple reason. mitt romney. mitt romney's health care plan, the individual mandate that he had in massachusetts, and which
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is the model of what we see in the national health care plan is the same thing. so when you talk about the tax, ! massachusetts. how does mitt romney, in particular, go up there with any credibility and criticize the president on this? i think it's going to be a false argument. i don't think they are going to do it and if they do it, i think it's so easy to turn around and say, wait a second, how can you actually criticize me when you did the exact same thing in massachusetts? >> chris, michelle, thank you so much. have a great weekend. zimmerman is charged with second-degree murder, of course, in the february shooting death of a florida teenager, trayvon
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martin. car care carry sand kerry sanders is live in florida. what is going on there? >> reporter: we've heard an accountant go through the details of how this money was transferred. the $135,000 that was suspect and that the prosecution said was concealed was money that george zimmerman was gaining or gathering on a website that he had set up with a pay pal account soliciting donations to help him on his defense. that money was then transferred and the forensic accountant, who was called by the defense, admitted to the prosecution that when the money was transferred from george zimmerman from his wife to his sister, to his mother back to an account as it was bouncing around all just under that required reporting rule of $10,000, it suggested that he was trying to hide the money. now, at issue here is whether george zimmerman will get another bond or not.
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in florida, bond is not supposed to be something that is punitive. you are not supposed to be kept in jail while you're awaiting charges. bond is supposed to beç set at reasonable amount of money to bring you back to court when you actually have your trial. so the judge is considering the evidence now of what happened with that $150,000, what happened to the 135,000 plus dollars, adding it all up and likely will return a higher bond. now, at the same time, there is other evidence being presented just a short time ago. the defense presented the reenactment video that george zimmerman made the day after the shooting of trayvon martin and in that video they highlighted a very specific part where they talked about his nose being broken. there is no, as far as we can tell, medical records that show that his nose was broken, we assume by trayvon martin in a fight that he had that night. he's on the tape talking to the
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investigators about that. this will be playing out over the next couple of hours, chris. >> kerry sanders, thank you for that. one killed and two hurt in a from a soldier who opens fire. investigators are trying to figure out the motive. the heat is on across the country. all-time record highs possible today in the south and ohio valley. the mid-atlantic region as temperatures push to triple digits. yesterday was the hottest day in indianapolis since 1954. meantime, the vancouver hockey coach is feeling a different kind of heat. under investigation after he was ca]git on tape, it looks like he's tripping a 13-year-old player on the opposing team. one player broke his wrist in the pileup. police questioned him and then released him but are considering filing assault charges. stocks are soaring in the
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early going. mandy drury is here. we like going stocks going up. what is going on? >> chris, many people were skeptical, right? but european leaders did manage to pull it out together. they have agreed to a set of solution for their debt crisis. they unveiled a plan to bail out banks directly from a financial rescue fund and also said that they will ease austerity measures. although they are necessary, they caused huge political upheaval and a recession in a number of countries. to show how low the expectations were, the dow jumped 204 points in the first hour of trading and we're looking good right now. the news also put a record on oil prices which are economically sensitive. it's been a huge couple of days in the markets. yesterday stocks initially dropped in response to the supreme court upholding the constitutionality of obama's health care law. we saw health insurance was down along with medical devices and managed care and hospitals,
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but it's a crass effort and grave disservice to the american people. >> kelly o'donnell is joiningçs now. good morning to you. what happens next? >> reporter: well, it's pretty tough to stay because this is so unusual. we've never seen a cabinet officer held in contempt of office and most notably because eric holder is in charge of the justice department and a citation would be referred to them for the next steps. so it's really unclear how this goes forward. whatever it is won't be resolved quickly. house republicans can talk to their own council and see about having a lawsuit to try to get these documents. again, that would take time. the political ramifications of this are certainly a bright line that we saw last night but this goes on because the investigation keeps moving to see who knew what, when, with the gun trafficking operation known as fast and furious.
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this was intended, republicans say, to force the justice department to provide these documents. we know the white house has already said some of them are cheelded chee shielded by executive but they are not as vivid as what we saw on the house floor. >> kelly o'donnell, thank you. katherine is an investigative reporter and an author about the fast and furious operation. good to have you here. >> thanks for having me. >> i was so impressed at the depth of this report. you looked at thousands of pages of documents and talked to dozens of key players in this. darrell issa has already said that this is not a white house issue. what is it that they think the justice department hasn't given them that they want? >> well, the dispute right now isç not over documents relatedo what actually happened in phoenix within this gun trafficking group. the issue is over documents that are inter-party documents within
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the justice department about their reaction to the congressional investigation. so the documents in question are a number of steps afield from the question of what actually happened in phoenix. >> we all know about fast and furio furious, about this gun running operation and that an atf agent was killed which sparked a lot of this. you uncovered a lot of this. what's your headline? >> well, our headline is that in fact the central claim that the atf allowed guns to flow into the hands of criminals across the border in mexico in order to track them is not the case. in fact, my reporting shows that there was no operational tactic by the atf to allow guns to walk to mexican criminals. my reporting shows that, in fact, atf agents did everything they could to seize guns and in fact they did seize guns but much of the time in struggles
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with prosecutors, prosecutors called the gun sales that they were monitoring as legal and the transfer of those guns as legal and told agents that they did not have probable cause to seize those gunses and make arrests. >> it was astonishing to me again reading this article how many times that they pointed out issues and put them in frontç prosecutors and prosecutors didn't do anything. >> right. i mean, you know, the prosecutors decline to speak with me for this article but the documentation seems to suggest that they were interpreting and calling the laws as they saw them. that they felt that they were not reasonable cause of suspicion to seize the guns and make arrests. >> what do you think that this is going to have a long-term effect? we can talk about what is going to happen to eric holder. but is there any indication that it's giving atf agents pause, that they are concerned about any operation that they might
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do, that might spark an investigation, might suddenly become a political, you know, issue? >> there is no question. this is -- this congressional inquiry has had a profound and negative impact on law enforcement. of the four atf groups in phoenix tasked with seizing guns, the seizures have dropped by 90%. >> katherine, again, a great bit of reporting and a fascinating article. thank you for coming in to talk about it. today's tweet comes from our own joe scarborough. the political timing of the eric holder contempt vote could not be worse. it makes the gop look petty and partisan. anny of single mile credit cards. battle speech right? may i? [ horse neighs ] for too long, people have settled for single miles. with the capital one venture card, you'll earn double miles on every purchase, every day! [ visigoths cheer ] hawaii, here we come. [ alec ] so sign up today
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felt the most. let me bring in congressman tomç gregs. thank you for joining us. >> thank you. >> the supreme court has spoken. why go back and relate gate the health care debate? >> first of all, this is a wrong policy for americans and it's had had an impact on americans and the economy. ever since its passed, jobs have been disappearing and if we want to get jobs and the economy back here in the united states, then we've got to repeal obama care. we're fully resolved to that. while yesterday was a dark day for civil liberties for americans, we're resolved to repeal it in its entirety and put america back on the right track. >> we spoke with chris van hollen. let me tell you what he had to say about the republican right to appeal. >> i don't take it seriously. it's an empty political gesture.
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remember, the very first vote that republicans took in the house of representatives was to repeal the health care bill. it's going nowhere in the senate. i think the extent that the republicans want to focus on this issue and this rear guard action and creating more uncertainty, voters are not going to take kindly to that. people want to focus on moving forward and focus on jobs and the economy. >> your reaction? >> well, i'm just remembering november 2010 when voters reacted to passage of obama care. let's see how they react in 2012. while the supreme court had its day yesterday and its ruling, the american people are going to have the final say on november 6th of this year. >>ç were you surprised that justice john roberts voted the way de? >> you know, nothing in this town surprises me anymore. so, you know, nobody knew how the ruling would come out and anybody trying to predict it would be certainly going down the wrong path. one thing's for certain, we
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might have had uncertainty yesterday. the certainty of today is we're going to work hard to repeal it in its entirety. >> i'm sorry we don't have more time. thank you so much for being with us. >> thank you for having me. that wraps up this hour of chris jansing. stay tuned for thomas roberts. hello, my friend. >> good morning, chris. we're going to keep everybody posted on what is going on in florida. george zimmerman's hearing is going on. his second chance of freedom. also, the dems and their victory lap. congressman debbie was ser man schultz when it comes to the health care law. also, michael steele will also join me to explain how mitt romney is against mandated health care. meanwhile, the best week in the stakes. we ask the host of the cycle for romney joining me we hope you
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good morning, everybody. the supreme court ruling upholding the health care. meanwhile, president obama is on his way to colorado. he's going to get a view of the monster wildfire in colorado springs. we'll also talk about the president's agenda next week when he will embark on his firsç bus tour in this election campaign. the american people, make sure places of obama care. >> joining me today is florida
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