personal perspective. >> and i'm s.e. cupp. what a snitch. some police departments are turning snitching into a full-time profession. so what's it cost our country when crime really does pay. >> a body language expert weighs in on how "the cycle" team is interacting at the end of our second week. the show for friday, july 6th, starts right now. all right. well, the gang's all here for it's a jobs report friday, guys. >> you know what else is it? >> what is it? >> tragically overshadowed by the jobs number today, it's national fried chicken day. >> obviously. that goes without saying. >> we all knew that. >> we've been celebrating all day. >> people say we have s.e. for her conservative perspective, but it's her detailed knowledge of the poultry calendar. >> you have no idea. >> no, i don't.

>> all i can say, silly white people. >> well, we'll pick up the chicken talk later, but we're going to start now with those june jobs numbers, and any way sliced, those numbers are not good. in june, only a net gain of 80,000 jobs. for april, may, and june, the numbers hit a two-year low. there are two aspects to this, the economic and the political, and it's hard to separate the two if you subscribe to the notion that the worse the job numbers are, the better off the republicans are and the worse the democrats are. but the spin cycle today went like this. >> that's a step in the right direction. but we can't be satisfied because our goal was never to just keep on working to get back to where we were back in 2007. i want to get back to a time when middle class families and those working to get in the

middle class have some basic security. that's our goal. >> we have seen the jobs report this morning, and it is another kick in the gut to middle class families. not only is the 8.2% number unacceptably high and one that's been in place now for over 41 months, his policies have not worked. and thas just not a short period of time, that's over a four-year period of time, almost. >> well, let's start with the two best economic minds that we know, jared bernstein and peter morici. and peter, i'll give the first question to you. you know, we have the statistics here that kind of speak for themselves. but for the first three months of this year, we were averaging 226,000 jobs created a month. the last three months, 75,000. what's happened here? >> well, the economy certainly is slowing down. the impact of europe, conditions in asia, and the fact that we really haven't fixed the structural problems that broke the economy in the first place, you know, the stimulus has worn

off, and unless we start to do a better job on things we've talked about in the past here like trade, the banks, health care, energy policy, we're not going to have that kind of self-sustaining growth that will give us the middle class that president obama speaks. >> jared, i want to go to you and focus on one particular aspect of this. obviously, there's a lot involved when you get a report like this, but there's something that jumps out at me and i think about every month when we get bad news like this, and that is the number of public sector jobs that have been lost since obama became president. i think it's 4,000 this month or for the last month, it's over 600,000 since 2009. it strikes me, this is something we have complete control over. these people do not have to be out of work. i just wonder, how different might the economy be, what would the ripple effect be like if we didn't have these jobs lost? >> it's a great point. the unemployment rate would be about a point lower over the past year if we hadn't lost so many of those jobs. you know, you mentioned 4,000. that's over all the three federal, state, local sectors.

last month we shed 14,000 educator jobs in local government. many of those are teachers. 23 out of the last 25 months, we've shed public sector jobs. as the president likes to point out, the private sector has continued to generate employment growth. not fast enough. this is not a private sector is fine moment. not fast enough. but consistent growth. on the other hand, the public drag is exactly as you put it, and during the recovery act, one of the most effective, fastest-acting stimulus medicines we had was precisely this. fiscal relief to the states, so that they could retain those folks instead of laying them off. >> so, jared, to that point, these numbers were bad. they were very bad. but they weren't catastrophic. we weren't losing jobs. are we in a situation where it's kind of the worst of both worlds? we're not actually gaining jobs and getting ourselves in a forward-moving direction, but nor are we in such a bad situation that congress or the fed is forced to act? >> you know, i really wouldn't

characterize it that way. it's not -- it's not the worst of both worlds, because we've been adding jobs for over two years now, exclusively in the private sector, as we were just saying. we're just not adding them fast enough. but your fundamental point is correct. which is that -- and steve's as well earlier. i mean, these are matters that in a congress that wasn't just gridlocked and targeting each other instead of the economy, you know, we actually could do something about it and relatively quickly. but the politics is just killing the economics here. >> jared and peter, i want to see if i can get you guys to disagree on something and make this interesting. >> shouldn't be that hard. >> conventional wisdom had it that the fed's extension of operation twist program last month was a baby step toward another round of quantitative easing. i'm wondering, jared, do you think that's what's coming up the pike? >> the fed keeps saying, we're going to do more only if the

economy is really downshifting. i think the downshift is pretty clear. the problem is, there's only so much traction you can get from lower interest rates absent the kind of fiscal policy i was just emphasizing. >> peter, what about you? is that the right move? is that what they're going to do? >> they may well do it to show that they're doing something. it's like hand waving, it won't do much good. interest rates have fallen quite a bit because of conditions in europe. money has come here out of basically flight for safety. until we do something structural in nature, there's limits to either what more stimulus spending or what more monetary policy can do. in a lot of ways, i hate to say this, but we seem to be in not a worst of both worlds, but we're in a zombie economy. >> oh,. >> peter, i hope you can help me understand something. the national unemployment rate is 8.2%. the national unemployment rate for white people is 7.4%. the national unemployment rate for black people is 14.4%. i have some ideas of why that is, but can you help me as an

economist why you think the national unemployment rate for black people is double what it is for whites? >> well, the education gap, for one thing. this recession, like the last one, has been very tough on blue-collar workers, blue-collar males. and african-americans, on average, especially male african-americans, have less education and they've been very hard hit in those categories. in addition, african-americans have enjoyed opportunity in the public sector, and the public sector has been decimated by this recession. as jared likes to talk about, but he's quite correct in talking about it. and those are two big factors that are hurting african-americans. >> jared, it seems to me like there's two problems here. you've got a short-term problem, getting the economy back on track, making sure that we're adding enough jobs, and then you have a longer term, more structural problem, like peter's talking about. if you could do anything, and pretend for a moment we don't have a dysfunctional political system, if you could do anything and you were king for a day, what would you do? >> well, first of all, i'd

extend my kingship to last for a month. >> no fair. no fair. >> but i do like this question. you know, i would tackle some big national infrastructure problems. now, this is going to sound like i'm talking the flavor of the week, but i've got to tell you, i was talking about this well before this derecho or whatever you call that kind of storm we just had here. we should bury the power lines. this was a great national infrastructure program. we should fix, repair our public schools. there's 100,000 public schools across the country, with a big maintenance plbacklog. we have people in the nation's capital out of power for a week? we have a national infrastructure agenda that would be, i think, a great problem, both in cyclical and structural terms. >> steve, we keep talking about, when are we going to get out of this, and we're starting to come out of the recession, but we're still in the doldrums.

but isn't this really the new normal that americans should just accept, that this is pretty much the way things are going to be for a very long time? >> well,, you know -- >> i don't know that i agree with that. i don't know that we have to accept this as normal. it's certainly the way it is for right now, but -- >> definitely not. >> but if we fix these structural issues, i believe that if we did something about the trade deficit with china, developed domestic oil reserves, finally straightened out our banks, their doing all kinds of nasty things up there, that we could make quite substantial progress again. >> let me just say -- >> that feeds into a question -- >> jared, i'll put this question to you. it's kind of acknowledged at this point, there's not going to be any kind of congressional action between now and november, at least, probably not in the lame-duck either -- >> which year? >> right. we're on indefinite suspension when it comes to congress. we talked about the fed earlier. when is your sense of when any sort of meaningful action could take place that could boost the economy? >> well, it's a good question and a tough one. if we were to go over this fiscal cliff, it's a different discussion, but it means certain

things have to happen on both the tax and spending side when the next president or if it's this president starts his second term in january. i think at that point, if enough grown-ups are in the room, there is the potential to do something in the short-term, of the kinds that i've been talking about. whether it's infrastructure, whether it's fiscal relief to the states, i think those are all good ideas. let me just tack on to one thing peter said. you asked me what i could do if i were king -- one thing i could do is to make sure that we have some regulation and some oversight. here's a hat tip to our old friend, dylan ratigan, in the banking sector. because the way this thing is going, it's like the amnesia is kicking in big-time and people are already forgetting about the instability in the financial sector. >> we'll have to leave it there. next, you've heard the numbers, now let the spin begin. the politics and the personal impact of america's hard times. it's all ahead as this cycle rolls on for friday, july 6th.

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we've got to deal with what's been happening over the last decade, the last 15 years. manufacturing leaving our shores, incomes flatlining. all those things are what we've got to struggle and fight for. >> and then there are those who are working, but are working in jobs well beneath their skill level, are working in multiple part-time jobs, kids that are coming out of college, not be being able to find work. veterans coming home, not being able to do anything but stand in an unemployment line. these are very difficult times

for the american people. >> so, let's be real. it doesn't exactly take a rocket scientist to tell you that today's jobs numbers are bad for the president and somewhat better for mitt romney. and for the republican candidate, it seemingly couldn't come at a better time, because let's face it with, it's been a bit of a rough week for the romney campaign. on thursday, we had bill kristol criticizing the the camp for relying on a prevent defense in the second quarter. and we had "the wall street journal," labeling their campaign confused and politically dumb. so given the context, are these not-so-great jobs numbers going to be enough to seriously change the narrative of this campaign? and i wanted to actually put up a chart, because i thought this was interesting, from gallup, showing the month of june, we had confidence after the last very disappointing jobs numbers, dropping, dropping, dropping, dropping. and then seemingly right at the end of the month as people kind of forgot about what happened, it started to come back up. how much of -- how damaging are

these numbers going to be for the president's campaign? >> one thing, go pack to our baseball analogy, you don't get upset when you have a runner on first and second and it's one out in the first inning. you know, we're very early in the game. and romney continues to be battered in the editorial pages, blistering from paul krugman today, talking about how a businessman is not best to leave the country, because a nation is not a company. america sells 86% of its manufacturing to itself. and bain is even different. and krugman says bain didn't build businesses, it bought and sold them. sometimes its takeovers led to new hiring, often times they led to layoffs, wage cuts, lost benefits. none of this sounds like the kind of record that should reassure american workers looking for an economic savior. if things are not going with obama, romney, as rick santorum would say, is not the guy to make the difference. >> yeah, but in november -- first, if these are the jobs numbers in october, then there's a significant problem.

it's not very early, it's about halfway through. i mean, conventions are literally around the corner. we have olympics and then we have the conventions, and then it's game on and it's sort of race to the finish. but you're right in that june numbers are not the same as october numbers. but to a person, i mean, when you look at the polls, this income inequality narrative, which is really where obama's trying to go with the bain attacks, this is not what voters think about when they go to the polls. they think about, do i feel richer? do i feel poorer? wy go to the pump, do i feel richer? do i feel -- so it's going to be that feeling of confidence, as your chart pointed out, security, stability, you know, literally the day you go to the polls. >> there are some interesting findings, though, in some recent polls that have come out. and one basically asked, it measured economic optimism in the present tense. right now, how do you feel about your current economic conditions, and not surprisingly that number is -- >> not so great. >> -- terrible.

you ask the question then, how do you think you'll be doing and how do you think the economy will be doing a year from now. and you have a majority now saying we think we'll be doing better. and that's not something you saw last fall. if you remember last fall is when obama's numbers were dropping down to the low 40s. it was looking like it was one-term time for him. his numbers have edged up, he's back near 50%. and with that rise in number, there is a certain degree of optimism and confidence in where things are heading. the question is do reports like this and subsequent reports erode that? but we're sitting here at over 8% unemployment and you're seeing a rise in optimism. >> if you feel poor and you see this super rich guy, this may be adjusted for inflation, the richest person ever to run for president. this is the 1% -- >> no, george washington, adjusted for inflation, is the richest guy ever to run for president. >> but we're lacking at 8.2% unemployment. any way you slice it, that's not great. and 14% in some communities,

that's not including the people who are partially employed, et cetera. it's not good. if romney was a good candidate, if he was a good fit for what people are looking for right now, he'd be winning. >> but the argument might be, he might not have to be. >> you were saying the june numbers and july numbers are not the same as october numbers, but i think we can expect to see october numbers very similar to what we're seeing now -- >> and romney doesn't have to run a perfect campaign. >> but it's remarkable that we're as close as we are, with the president actually with a slight lead, given at what a tough place we're at in the economy. but i want to move on to the really important thing that we have to get today, which is yesterday, we unveiled our cliche jar. >> yes. >> and in an effort, both to hold ourselves to a higher standard of punditry and not to annoy the heck out of our listening audience -- >> and to have a little fun. >> and to have a little fun

while we're at it, we are adding to a list of cliches that are banned from us saying on the show. >> cliches are the roaches and terrify mates s of language ae should try to exterminate them. >> i took to twitter last night and got literally hundreds of response for what we should add to the cliche jar. at the end of the day, "at the end of the day" was the most popular one. i'd rather not kick the can down the road. let's just do this now and pivot to the cliche jar. it's a slippery slope, what we're doing right now. >> you want to rile up the base. >> we don't want to throw anyone under the bus. stop saber rattling, krystal! >> this is a win-win for the audience. >> i'm going to double down on my position, however, that at the end of the day, it does not belong no our collie jliche jar.

>> that was my number one response, by far, in my twitter -- >> that's a cliche. >> but within us, the thing i think we hate the most, nascar dad/soccer mom, those really trite ways of trying to encapsulate the audience, the voters. we don't like that. >> but i don't think that we found one that's going to be -- i'm writing down "at the end of the day." and our twitter friends continue to tweet us ideas a at @thecyclemsnbc of things you do not want to hear us say. >> we'll winnow this down and next week we'll have a start-up list. >> but we'll continue to add to them. >> completely. next, we've seen the numbers. >> we have no money to retire on. so we just have to work forever.

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well, we told you about the numbers and talked about the politics. now we focus on the people in the middle of this jobs crisis. take a look. >> i'm panic stricken. i'm feeling as if i have absolutely nothing. i don't want to be helped. i want to just help myself. but what we want our jobs. what we need are jobs. in my next job, and i will have a next job, i will thank god every morning and every night for that job. >> that's a preview of the new hbo documentary, "hard times: lost on long island." the film chronicles the human casual 'tis of the great recession in long island, or on long island, i guess. but in the guest spot today is

director and producer, mark levin. his award-winning documentary "hard times" premieres this monday, july 9th at 9:00 p.m. on hbo. and mark, thanks for joining us. i want to start by asking you, you chose to explore this on long island. you called it the birthplace of the post-war suburban good life. for people out there who may be know long island mainly for the long island accent, i wonder if you could tell us a little bit about the history out there and what it is that made you think this is the place to explore the great recession ? >> well, i think that the story of levittown is really the story of after world war ii, the american society decided we owed something to the great generation, we helped them with homes and levittown was built as a model town for suburbia and returni ining gis. and it became the center of expansion that happened on long island and all over this

country. but we decided instead of going to the rust belt or some of the places that were hardest hit by the real estate crisis, that we would go to the kind of an iconic spot, the heart of what we consider the good life in america and see what had happened there. so that's what brought us to long island. >> and so, you know, a lot of the population, i guess, you're talking about people with college degrees, people who have or had good jobs and homes and yards and that sort of thing. what did you find? can you tell us some of the stories you found? how their lives have changed in the last few years? >> absolutely. the film chronicles four families and a lot of other supporting characters, but basically what you see is kind of a different narrative than we sometimes hear on radio and tv where people are told, you know, get a job, there are jobs out there, you're lazy, you're a freeloader, you're a moocher. these are successful people and i think when we started the film, most of them assumed that this was a cyclical up and down

and that eventually they would recover. they never anticipated being out of work one year, two years, sometimes up to 2 1/2 years. what we discovered is i guess what you would call almost a slow-motion disappearing. that these people are isolated and they're disappeared. their neighbors don't even know what's really happened to them. sometimes they're afraid to tell family members. there's a tremendous amount of shame. people internalize this kind of message that they blame themselves. they think they're losers. it's heartbreaking, really. the resilience and the courage of these people is what's encouraging. but it's something that certainly, you know, makes you think, wow, there by the grace of god, you know, could be me or my friends. >> mark, i want to talk about what you discovered about masculinity in doing this. of course, we know in society, the man is supposed to be the provider and being a man is wrapped up in being able to provide for yourself and for

your family. so when a man legal cause man l doesn't have a job for a long period of time, what happens to his sense of masculinity? >> that's a good question. i think it's basically decimated. it's a process that happens in slo-mo, unlike in katrina or an earthquake, this is a kind of slow-motion disaster film. and you see men -- i mean, here's a story that starts the film and is close to the end of a character who is almost like jobe. went through so many -- that's a picture of him. went through so many near-death experiences, including being in the world trade center on 9/11. so when i first asked him, what's it like to be out of work for over a year, he kind of shrugged his shoulders and said, i've been through a lot worse, and then counted his near-death experiences. >> we have that clip.

>> i was at the world trade center, i just started a new job when it was bombed the first time. and a few months after that, i was on the long island railway when collin ferguson shot all those people on the railroad. and most recently, i was in the world trade center when it collapsed. so, you know, you put all this stuff into perspective, being unemployed is something i can deal with very easily. >> well, i'm going to guess he has somewhat of an atypical experience, but he's clearly trying to deal with his unemployment and put it into some kind of a context and perspective. were there other frames that you saw the people you were speaking with kind of put their unemployment into to deal with? >> krystal, let me follow up on him, because this goes to toure's question. nine months after that, after he said, hey, i can deal with this, here was a gentleman who was looking at his life insurance policy and wondering if his family would be better off without him, the breadwinner,

still alive. that's the kind of psychic deterioration, and speaking of masculinity and being the head of the family, that goes on. >> wow. and did you see a different response between the men and the women that you profile d? >> well, that's a good question. in one family, the woman, regina, really -- nick and regina, regina expressed much more freely her rage and her anger. she also turned to her faith, to the church, more than her husband, who seemed to be more paralyzed by the entire situation. what was stunning about that family, though, is that when we first premiered the film, their who sons came to the premiere and they were never aware until they saw the documentary that their mother was going to a food pantry to get food for the family to eat. >> wow. >> mark, you know, because i had the pleasure of talking to you about this before. we've already discussed this a

little, but i want to ask you again, you know, it's so hard to put a human face on unemployment and especially during an election year, we tend to politicize the issue, talking about, you know, long-term unemployment benefits, job report numbers, you know, like we had come out today. was this at all a political project for you or was this really a human interest piece that just happened to coincide with an election year? >> well, s.e., i'm going to be honest with you, there were tremendous debates in the editing room over exactly, just like you guys have on the set here, over that question. shel shelia neveins, the head of hbo documentaries, and i give them tremendous credit for putting this stuff on, encouraged us to take the politics out. like i remember, there's a couple, you saw that woman, ann strauss. she and her husband, believe it or not, she watches msnbc every night. her husband watches fox. so you can imagine what it's

like to be in their household, and their discussions. and i thought, oh, this would be kind of a great scene. but we did make a conscious decision, let's try to strip this of politics and really focus on the human story. >> i think that makes it more powerful. >> i agree. thank you, mark levin. straight ahead, a look at the side of america's justice system we seldom see. professional snitchers. [ female announcer ] research suggests the health of our cells plays a key role

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cops will tell you crimes committed in hell are not witnessed by angels. that means the snitches they use to catch criminals have dirty hands too. quite often snitches or professional informants are still active criminals who cops pay to set up other criminals, offering to maybe look the other way when those snitches commit crimes of their own.

there's a through the looking glass economy, where big fish snitch on little fish, and where scenes happen like the one described by ted conover in his cover story, "a snitch's dilemma," where his snitch is in a police car, functionally kidnapped. "he escaped from the police car, dashed across the street and ran inside the varsity. the police, leaving their car in the middle of the road, jumped out in pursuit. white exited the restaurant, recrossed the street, and did what any frightened citizen might do. he dialed 911. she responds, so you're calling the police and the police are chasing you? joining us now is the author of that story, ted conover. ted, why would someone like alex white, the subject of your story, and a professional snitch, talk to you, thus

putting his life in danger? >> i think, actually, at a certain point, he thought publicity was the only way he could stay alive. he really thought the police were going to kill him, because they had relied on him to cover for them after they did something dirty. they got the feeling he wasn't with the woman anymoprogram anye thought, i've got to go public. and from that initial moment he initially went on tv to say, it wasn't me, it was the police, he has been more available to people like me who might be interested in knowing more about snitches. >> so, ted, you said that he's fearful that the police are going to kill him. i mean, is that paranoia is that, in your estimation, somehow justified? >> i've thought about that a lot. i have concluded they probably were not going to kill him, but i wouldn't be surprised if it crossed the minds of one or two of them, who were up to their necks in a scandal of their own

creation. they had -- using a false affidavit, they had invaded the home of a 92-year-old woman after she fired a shot at them, not knowing who they were. they killed her in a hail of bullets and they then called this guy, alex white to say, hey, you know, you've done a lot of drug buys for us. will you just say you bought drugs at this house, because we need you to cover for us. at first he said yes, but then he realized everything that was at stake, and he packed out. >> i'm sure there are many people that want to kill alex white, you know, a bit shocked that he's still alive at this point. you know, it seems that using snitches in the way that your story describes guarantees corruption. you have the snitch admitting to aid in the cover-up and the wrongful death of the 92-year-old woman. you have them, you know, sort of helping the police, you know, snitching on people they know, rivals, enemies. i mean, isn't this way of conducting crime -- or fighting crime rife with the potential

for corruption? >> oh, it absolutely is. and it's the way law enforcement happens every day, all around the country and in other countries. i mean, there are only a few countries that really clamp down on use of snitches, as the head of the federal drug task force in atlanta said to me, you know, all of our technology and criminal techniques aren't worth a thing until we find some third tier thug, as he put it, who can tell us what actually happened. so, snitches make police look smart. police don't like to acknowledge all the help they get. nobody likes a snitch. we hate the disloyalty that snitches are known for, that they have to participate in, and yet they are how our hamburger gets made. that is sort of everyday practice in law enforcement. that's why i wanted to write about what it's like to be a snitch. what the moral landscape alex white had to deal with is like.

>> so, ted, the article paints the police in, i think it's fair to say, a pretty negative light. if they were to respond to this article, what would they say in their defense? what would their take be? >> well, i did speak to the new chief of the atlanta police department, who says correctly that whole division of the apartment was dismantled and rebuilt. they're under careful supervision now, they have constant training. and that's what it take, is really stern supervision to avoid the corrupting influence of working with snitches. so it is true. they are, i think, have gotten their house in order in a lot of ways, but it's a constant temptation when you have this secret sort of class of police subcontractors whose work and whose identities almost never come to light, you know? snitches don't testify, because then their careers would be over. they have to stay behind the scenes, and all kinds of bad things happen.

first of all, bad things happen to snitches. they're sent into dangerous situations and sometimes they don't come out. bad things happen to the police who work with them, because they are tempted to cut their snitches some slack, to let them get away with illegal activities when they shouldn't. and then ultimately an unsupervised snitch can corrupt the whole law enforcement cycle, because you've got somebody with a stake in something other than justice. they have self-interest, they want to make money, they're not in it for altruistic reasons, they're in it to get ahead in one way. >> ted conover, the author of "a snitch's dilemma," an awesome article. you can read it on "the new york times" website if you didn't get it last sunday. thanks, ted. >> thanks, toure. up next, a body language expert has been watching "the cycle" and now he'll tell us what our bodies are telling him. s.e.'s nervous. i love it!

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♪ all right. we're two weeks into "the cycle" and if you don't mind me saying, i think we've all been getting along pretty well. but how much is hiding just under the surface? we're putting it to the test with body language expert, aaron briehov. so you've watched us a little bit, aaron. what's the overall verdict? >> i have and i think you guys are doing great. i think this is going to be a

big hit and congratulations on the show here. >> so do we. i like your prediction. so go around. i know you have a little something for each of us. start with me. >> sure. >> enough about you, let's talk about me. >> tlthere's a few things we're seeing from you. you're definitely very expressive. your emotions come across. a little bit of a half smile there. there's a lot of emotions coming out of you s.e.. >> oh, that's live. i have been told i have a very sort of plasticy expressive face. and i don't even know that i'm doing it sometimes, but i know i make a lot of facial expressions. >> you do and you project very well as well. so as well as reacting to what you're saying and it really draws people in, a little happier there. you have those emotions that come through and project and come along with your point very well. and a lot of times after you make a good comment, we can see a little extra smile and i see

that competitiveness when you get that dig in there. >> no, no, you're not getting out of your little moment with s.e. without saying anything negative. you've got to bash somehow, some way. >> no, you don't. move on to toure! >> i can't be all positive. >> give us what you have for toure. >> all right. i'll do toure. he's the most consistent of the group. he's the one that has a very -- he's not too aggressive, not too passive. he comes across, it's a very positive thing that you see. you're very based, very balanced in how you react -- >> aaron, that's because he's the oldest. he's a time fighter. he's been perfecting this for decades. >> he's a good actor. >> what is wrong with you, woman?! >> what about krystal? >> krystal's the consistent, but the up and down. she's not going to have the same -- whenever she has a different emotion or a different thought, you see a little bit of -- i'm not exactly sure what that one is there -- >> i'm not either! >> but when you're aggressive about something, you do display it in your body language, just

as s.e. does, but much more consistent along a thought. >> interesting. and what about our good friend steve over here? >> steve is actually the sweetheart of the group. >> i knew it! >> we knew that. >> i think we'd all agree on that. he has what some experts call the open face. you can see it's a very -- he sits forward, his eyebrows go up a little bit and he brings you in. if anybody cuts him off, i don't know if you realize, you're not cutting him off nearly as much as you cut each other often, simply because he's such a nice guide with his open face -- >> aaron, it's like you know us. >> i'm not going to say anything here. >> he is precious. i know you have analyzed the promo shot we took, which is interesting, because we kind of had just met when we took this. we didn't really know each other that well. >> certainly not as a group. >> what do you make of this body language you're seeing here? >> well, if we have to call someone out with the most attitude here, s.e., it might be you. with a little look out of the corner of the eye. you have steve, still the open face, the head's tilted down,

very nice with the eyebrows up. toure, again, that balanced look, just straight ahead, not too far forward, not too far back. and krystal, just very nice there. nothing too out of place. >> and i'm skeptical of my surroundings. >> a little bit. >> s.e. saying, how did i end up in this group? >>rroundings. >> how did i end up in this room? >> let's run it out for a minute. give us some tip on how to analyze our first dates, relatives, bosses. what can we all look for in our daily lives? >> i think we all sell ourselves a little bit short as far as how big of experts we are. study for 10,000 hours to become an expert, but really, we're an expert and if we understand it and realize it and comment on it. when you see somebody cross their arms, when anybody finds out i'm a body language expert. they take a step back, cross their arms and say, what are you

thinking now? when you do see something, we're perceiv perceiv perceived closed on. you need to ask more powerful questions to understand more about them. >> great and then what about you know, if i'm at a dinner party and someone's standing across the room and avoiding eye contact. what would i make of that, they hate me, yes. >> might be true. but it's i think it's just about asking the proper question. understanding why they may be that way and really when you're try i trying to understand body language, you're not a mind reader. no one can be a mind reader with this. ask them the question, narrowing your suggest and being more efficient in communicating with people. the biggest part of this is i think i change people's lives, simply allowing people to

address the fact they see a look of disgust in someone's face. for me, a lot of times, tell a bad joke, now i ask her why she's disgusted and she's happy that i did mention it. oh, is there any reason why and i do care about how you feel. >> recognize d her feelings. >> thank you, i have a feeling we're going to invite you back. next up, steve -- he's bringing historical context to today's jobs numbers. that's still ahead on "the cycle." you know, those farmers, those foragers, those fishermen.... for me, it's really about building this extraordinary community. american express is passionate about the same thing. they're one of those partners that i would really rely on

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i still maintain that unemployment is a lagging indicator because there are other things that are quite positive, including the fact that interest rates are even lower now than they've been and that spurs investment and jobs. there are mixed reports. one day, we'll have a good statistic, next day, one that isn't so good. >> that's the last one-term president and there are those who swear his fate was sealed on this same friday 20 years ago. the story behind that is for months, bush had been promised americans that the worst of the recession was over. his team talked optimistically of the summer and fall bringing

a dip in the unemployment rate. then came the june jobs numbers. a sudden, unexpected and devastating spike in the jobless rate. 7.5 to 7.8%. may have been the moment voters gave up on their president. bush spent is rest of that campaign insisting things were getting better. he was right. recession ended in 1991. it was all too late. the awful news of the summer months had cemented the impression. the president was out of touch. this time, for change. if you're a republican today, the story of bush's demise is an inspirational one for you. you are counting on the same formula that did him in ruining president obama's re-election hopes. it's why mitt romney talks about the obama economy and almost nothing else it's why there was an extra spring in his step this morning. some republicans have been

groaning and romney's strategy, but at least for today, it doesn't seem so bad. but, it's entirely possible that obama will manage to survive what the first president bush couldn't. why? just look where obama's approval rating sits now. 47.3%. compare it to where bush was at this point in 1992. 34% in a cbs news new york times poll from june of that year. this tells us that obama is getting the benefit of the doubt. he's personally popular, but the big one is this. people still remember when, where and how this economic mess started. it's why polls continue to show that voters are more likely to blame the second president bush, the one who was president during u the meltdown than obama. it's a far cry from bush, whose presidency was a year old when the recession really took hold.

obama may well lose this election, but he has a fighting chance to survive and if he does, it will say a little about what americans think of his leadership and a lot about how badly his pred se sor messed things up. >> one element that you left out was that poppy bush faced perhaps the greatest campaign era we've seen since -- >> funny you should mention that because in june of 1992, bill clinton was considered the most toxic candidate. >> his numbers in june of 1992 were below 20%. people disliked him intensely. >> right. >> but we were just getting to know clinton. we've known romney for years now. >> i'm not sure how well the average american knows romney versus the political junkie, but that does it for today, martin, it