the take away on which all of us should agree is that the volume of coverage of the political debate should not be mistaken for quality. if the two were synonymous, he would not have so much to write about with a second volume in the works. bottom line, we're all paying a price for eviscerated newsrooms. that's "hardball" for now. thank you for being with us. "the ed show" with michael eric dyson in for ed schultz starts right now. >> good evening, americans. welcome to "the ed show." i'm michael eric dyson, in for ed schultz. the jobs report is out, and believe it or not, congratulations are in order. this is "the ed show," and as ed would say, let's get to work. >> this kick in the gut has got to end. >> mitt romney is taking a victly lap on weak jobs numbers, but he forgot the mengs the people who made this day possible. >> richard wolf on the politicians of obstruction and what today means for the president.

>> which candidate's policies will create more jobs right now? >> are you abandoned a principle you fought for for six years? simply because you're getting pressure for two days? from rush limbaugh or some critics in washington. >> the president is hitting mitt romney where it hits on health care. >> the guy i'm running against tried this in massachusetts and it's working just fine. even though now he denies it. >> the big panel weighs in on the president's offensive. >> and cookie gate returns to the headlines. >> i'm not sure about the cookies. >> as a potential running mate goes down snooki style. >> there's no spin necessary for the june jobs numbers released tie by the bureau of labor statistics. the latest report illustrates the results of intense political activism by leaders. plain and simple, the numbers are a victory for republicans. the economy added 80,000 jobs in june.

that means the modest gains from the first three months of the jeer are leveled out by the last three. which averaged 75,000 per month. four months before the presidential election, job growth is treading water. it should come as no surprise that mitt romney put blame for the stagnation squarely on the president's shoulders. for the president's policies have clearly not been successful. in reigniting this economy, in putting people back to work, in opening up manufacturing plants across the country. the heartland industries where manufacturing occurs are struggling by virtue of policies on the part of the president that have not worked. the president doesn't have a plan, hasn't proposed any new ideas to get the economy going, just the same old ideas of the past that have failed. >> it's a pretty solid political strategy. the republican party spends three years obstructing the president's plan for jobs creation, then when the jobs don't come, blame the president and say he has no plan.

in order for this to work, you need to hope the entire electorate comes down with amnesia. then maybe people will forget about the american jobs act presented by the president. moody's estimates it would create nearly 2 million jobs. for the people who remember how the republicans in congress killed the jobs act before it could reach a vote, you have to come up with a scary phrase to make the voters think the president is hurting them. >> we have seen the jobs report this morning and it's another dekick in the gut to middle sclasz families and this has got to end. >> by mitt romney's standards, he should know a lot about getting kicked in the gut. when he was governor of massachusetts, reporters were asking him why there was not more job growth under his administration. this is how he explained that in 2006. >>io rr bright enough to look at the numbers. i came in and the jobs had been falling like off a cliff.

i came in and they kept falling for 11 months and then they came around and we're coming back. that's progress. and if you're going to suggest to me that somehow the day i got elected somehow jobs should immediately turn around, that would be silly. it takes a while to get things turned around. we were in a recession, losing jobs every month. we turned around and since the turn around, we have added 50,000 jobs. >> to paraphrase shawn carter, that man good. the obama campaign should hire this guy to explain the reality of job growth after a recession. he does a pretty good job. back in reality today, president obama addressed the latest job numbers calling them a step in the right direction but not enough for the struggling unemployed. >> we learned this morning that our businesses created 84,000 new jobs last month. and that overall means that businesses have created 4.4 million new jobs over the past 28 months. including 500,000 new manufacturing jobs. we can't be satisfied because

our goal was never to just keep on working to get back to where we were back in 2007. i want to get back to a time when middle class families and those working to get into the middle class have some basic security. >> indeed, some of the security was reflected in the jobs report. hourly wages continued to increase, but with 12 million americans earning no wages, it's hard to be upbeat, and what solutions are being proposed to create more jobs? let's see. let's see what speaker john boehner had to say in a statement today. next week we'll vote to fully repeal the president's health care law and before the month is out, we'll vote on legislation to curtail excessive government regulations. cutting protective regulations, rejecting universal health care, and of course, republicans want to make permanent the tax cuts for the super rich. if you think this prescription sounds a lot like the bush years, you're not alone.

>> it is a theory, an idea of how you might grow an economy if we hadn't just tried it for ten years before i took office. >> that's a nice way of saying been there, done that. even with less than desirable monthly jobs numbers, this is about a choice. mitt romney and republicans who want to take us back to the economic policies of george w. bush, or president obama who has led to 28 consecutive months of job growth. as a former governor of massachusetts said, it takes a while to get things turned around. it takes longer when one party doesn't want to turn things around at all. where want to know what you think. are the disappointing job numbers because of president obama's policies or gop obstruction? text a for president obama's policies, text b for gop ubstrugz to 622639.

or go to our blog at ed.msnbc.com. i'll bring you the results later in the show. i'm joined by richard wolf. richard, have republicans boxed in president obama by preventing any jobs legislation from passing? they have been clearly obstructionests. >> they have, and they have from the start, but you know, you get tactical success, that doesn't mean that you're dealing with the problems you're elected to solve or in fact you're going to win strategically in political terms. i would like to draw a comparison in events we felt strongly about which was in the bush administration, 9/11. we went through just these few years an economic 9/11. it was a serious crisis that started out in this country and superintend around the world. it's one thing for one party to say we're not going to help you out. we're not going to give you any

votes and you can deal with it on your own. now, now at this point, you have a candidate who is bound by the same misjudgments, a candidate who wants to go back to a pre-economic meltdown, a pre-9/11 mindset, which is to pretend like it never happened and say we can go back to a time where the banks were all great and you could deregulate and everything would be fine. we live in this post-meltdown world and that mindset of obstructionest or pretending it never happened is not going to convince the voters in november. >> isn't it even worse given your analysis regards the ostrich in the ground, we know that doy do that, but for metaphor's sake, let's continue that, in 9/11, the one that occurred, americans came together and joined together across party lines. this is the bitter division of a kind of refusal to get together and unify the very language that the republicans have often thrust upon non-patriotic

progressives. isn't this something of a contradiction here? >> it absolutely is. it's a failure of public duty, most of all. you don't need the fingers on one hand to count the number of republicans who voted for the recovery act. there had been a long tract record of people from both parties saying in times of recession, we need stimulus spending, this was a crisis, a global crisis that started in this country, and there was a refusal to engage. i understand why republicans were shy about that. they thought that the top vote to bail out the banks was terrible. everyone did, but in the end, the banks survived because of that. the auto industry survived because of that. looking back, no matter what their position was to begin with, no matter what heat they took, if you're in public office, you have to say you're going to do things for the public good. you may have a difference of approach, may have wanted more tax cuts, less government spending in terms of infrastructure, but your job is as a public official.

i think if you look at the polls, people do still blame the republican administration, republican president for this situation as well as the banks. >> well, there's no doubt, when you look back, this president looks like something like a phenomenom. some economists are suggesting that the federal reserve needs to intervene, but here's the mentality of many republicans when it comes to monetary intervention by the feds. >> if this guy prints more money between now and the election, i don't know what you would do to them in iowa, but we'd -- we'd treat him pretty ugly down in texas. >> now, richard, is there political pressure from republicans on ben bernanke to stay out of the labor market? >> there has been pressure all along, and there's pressure to avoid the next round of what they call contative easing, which rick perry thinks is the worst evil you could imagine. the federal reserve bank rolled not just the big banks in new

york, but major corporations across the world when the meltdown happened. it's the height of irresponsibility to try to play politics when the world is looking at another crisis in europe, the federal reserve may be the only institution to act as the lender of last resort for the entire world. that's american leadership. we should be celebrating that. it's scary, devastating we should go through it, but we have a unique role in the world. we shouldn't take that away just as republicans would hate the idea that america's military power shouldn't be preeminent. >> richard wolfe, thank you so much for your time. >> remember to answer tonight ffs question there at the bottom of the screen. share you thoughts on twitter at ed show and on facebook. we want to know what you think. coming up, mitt romney plugged his 59-point plan for economic growth today, but that very same plan has underwhelmed even his republican supporters. ezra klein joins me next.

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coming up, mitt romney jumps off his jet ski long enough to push his economic plan and attack the president's. ezra klein will tell us which man's policy will create jobs. >> mitt romney cookie gaffe comes back to bite him again. >> and scientists in geneva announced they found the particle. why wasn't it discovered in the u.s.? details ahead. share your thoughts with us on twitter or leave us a comment on facebook. we'll be right back.

welcome back to "the ed show." today, mitt romney was asked about the criticism of his economic plan. here's what he said. >> i don't see much to critics. i put up 59 steps on how to get the economy going. i don't think i have seen any from the president that show what he's planning on doing. i have pllaid out my 59 steps. take a look at them, i think you'll find them very specific. >> 59 problems but an economy ain't one. keep in mind, that question was hardly out of left field. the most recent critics of his so-called economic agenda have been conservatives who said he has not adequately articulated how he would fix the economy, they include the likes of rupert murdoch and the wall street journal as well as bill kristol. they're nonplussed by romney's 59-point plan when he unveiled to little fanfare in the primary

season. he was specific about what was included in the 59 points. he wants to expand domestic energy production, create trade agreements with latin america and cut down on china. cut the corporate and individual tax rate and cut regulations, but he made a gross misstatement in saying he hasn't seen anything from president obama. the president's american jobs act has 41 points. it's far more specific than the 59-point plan because the president's plan is drafted as an actual piece of legislation. republicans in congress have no interest in passing it. it's turn to ezra klein. ezra, thanks for coming in. >> good evening, man. >> let's get to president obama's plan in a moment, but i would like you to assess mitt romney's 59-point plan first. specifically, does it do much for short-term economic growth? >> no, it's literally anything

they can think of to get to a high number so they can say over and over they have a 59-point plan. it's anything from repeal obamacare, pass a balanced budget announcement, to very, very small things related to specific regulations. what it doesn't have is short term economic support. so there is potentially an individual tax that came up later, but there's nothing serious about infrastructure, about state and local jobs. it's not clear how it would get money back into the economy. whatever you want to say about cracking down on china or sighen a free trade agreement with latin america, those things take times. republicans had the problem that barack obama doak all of their ideas and if mitt romney said we should pass a pay roll tax cut, obama will say why haven't you passed the american jobs act that includes that? they're backed into a corner.

>> since he was loathe to say anything about it earlier, if he would rate his own tax plan. it reminds me of charles barkley saying i was misquoted in his own autobiaugusautobiography. we're seeing the blowback of the austerity measures today. >> no, there's been no -- romney's tax would cost trillions and trillions and trillions of dollars. an enormous amount of money. it's a very, very big tax cut. he would pass it after extending every single bush tax cut which we can't afford. you have trillions of bush tax cuts, trillions of romney tax cuts and no offsets to pay for them. the only difference is medicaid. what that would mean is that you would cut medicaid by about a third in a decade or so. i would want to go back and thec those numbers but that's what i remember from the last time i looked closely into that.

that's been estimated by the urban institute to cut 14 million to 19 million people, mostly poor people, off medicate. even that would not come near paying for the tax cut. >> that's pretty draconian to say the least. you also wrote that president obama's plan is more geared to an immediate increase in jobs in the short term. >> when you take romney's plan, the free trade agreements, what obama's plan emphasizes are four things, he would double the size of the pay roll tax cut, pass tax cuts for smaller businesses and businesses who hire new workers, three, he would do a significant investment in immediate infrastructure, and four, he would give a fair amount of money to local and state governments to hire back workers they have cut. two of the proposals are direct hirings. you're giving people jobs. that creates jobs right now. we know perfectly well we can hire a teacher and we have the

capability to do that in this country. number two are the tax cuts and they have put money into the economy now. they don't require a large rewriting of the tax code. they just move money to people who need to spend it. a pay roll tax is a progressive tax cut, and on the business side to small businesses and hiring businesses, which are the two type we're most interested in because they're the most cash strapped. >> what's impressive here of course, we call this a trick description. nuanced interpretations and analyses of what is going on here, but how does his plan work to a public that knows congress doesn't want to pass it? how does he pitch it in a way that is effective to the public? >> that is their problem. what doyou do when dpresz won't pass any of your legislation? they have been smart because in the end, the public looked at obama and says she's he's ineffective.

why can't he show leadership, give a speech, they're frustrated and they don't wonder about congressional procedure and who has the power, but this has been all along the whole problem for them, and particularly since 2010, everything republicans say is he's responsible for every bit of bad economic news we get since then, yet his policy preferences are not the ones we have in place right now. if we had passed the american jobs act, you want to blame obama for what happens afterwards, that's fair. we have a policy closer to what republicans wanted to do. and yet obama takes the blame for it. it's a sweet deal for them. >> the best of both worlds for them and the worst for the rest of us. coming up, cookie gate. romney's mean spiriting remark is leaving a bitter aftertaste. the bakery backlash. >> and the president is going on the offensive against mitt romney. john, gody, and jody will join

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welcome back. now to the politics of ice cream and cookies. the sweet treats hit a sour note with the republicans today. let's start with the latest developments in cookie gate. a few months ago, the bethel bakery served a special sampler of cookies in this mitt romney roundtable discussion.

he assailed the free food. >> not sure about these cookies. they don't look like you made them. did you make those? you didn't, did you? they came from the local -- >> bakery. >> 7-eleven, bakery, or whatever. >> romney is insulting his hosts and telling us he thinks 7-elevens have bakeries. and in the wake of this insult, the obama campaign wanted to give a little love to the bethm bakery. they loaded up on the cookies that got snubbed by romney. they tweeted cookies from bethel bakery, another difference with romney, we love their cookies. romney's nasty remark has been good for business. the staff made up t-shirts that said cookie gate 2012. the front immortalized the words with the quote, i'm not sure about these cookies. the bakery said they have sold about $800 world of t-shirts so

far. they also started packageing a collection of the cookies he insulting. bethel bakery can't keep these on the shelves. they said cookie sales are up 130% since romney's ungrateful remarks. he's good for business in bethel, sort of. i don't think that's how he wanted to be remembered in a key voting district. from cookies to ice cream. chris christie got hot under the collar while trying to enjoy a vanilla cone on the jersey shore last night. someone criticized his education policy. the website tmz has video of the allerication that ensued. >> you're a real big shot. >> keep walking. keep walking. >> mr. governor.

>> yeah, boy. that was the governor of new jersey fighting with a constituents over policy on the very same seaside heights boardwalk where ronny of mtv's "jersey shore" knocked out another kid with one punch. by the way, this is what he thinks of the mtv crew. >> they parachute these people onto the jersey shore and say this is new jersey. this isn't new jersey. if you want to come to the jersey shore, let's go. >> that's the river calling the ocean wet. i hate to say it, but your hypocrisy situation is way out of control. there's a lot more coming up in the next half hour on "the ed show." stay tuned. the guy i'm running against tried this in massachusetts and it was working just fine.

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the president is on the offensive and using romney care to help his argument. republicans are calling the affordable care act's individual mandate a tax. mitt romney agrees. as for his own mandate in massachusetts, well, romney says that isn't a tax because, well, no one has called it a tax. romney's awkward reversal has given the president an opening. >> the fact that a whole bunch of republicans in washington suddenly said this is a tax, for six years he said it wasn't, and now he's suddenly reversed himself, so the question becomes, are you doing that because of politics or are you abandoned a principle you fought for for six years simply because you're getting pressure for two days from rush limbaugh or some critics in washington? >> i'm joined by new jersey gop assembly leading john bramnick, goldie taylor, and jimmy williams, an msnbc contributor. wemcome all to the show. >> good to be here. >> thanks for having us.

>> with the president's efforts to highlight the similarities twoon obamacare and romney care work? >> yes, they will work, but here's the problem romney has. if you don't believe me, ask newt gingrich and rick santorum and pretty much everybody else who is a conservative in this town and throughout america. romney isn't really running against obama. he's running against romneyering his own record. when you look like a flip-flopper, when you look like a hypocrite, when you go up on the stump every single day of your candidacy and you say the exact opposite thing that you said six years ago, it makes you look foolish. if i'm barack obama and i'm the obama campaign, i'm highlighting this every single day. obama's right. when you -- elections have consequences. when you give your word and say you're going to do something, like i'm going to run on health care for all and then you do it, that's good. when you say one thing and do another, that's bad. that's a huge dichotomy. >> goldie taylor, do you think

obama brought up rush limbaugh as a tactic that might help him with independents? >> i think rush limbaugh continues to be an incredible symbol for the right-wing fringe of this country. i think the president was right to bring him into this discussion. but mitt romney's problem is bigger than an election. his problem is bigger than six years. it's six minutes. he'll change in six hours, he'll change in six days. my dog doesn't flip as often. he doesn't lie down as often as mitt romney does. you know, if you look at him on the foorable health care act, on taxes versus penalties, if you look at him on things like the dream act or immigration, pick any issue that you want, and mitt romney just isn't the same mitt romney he was yesterday. >> all right, leader bramnick, what do you make of the flip flaps besides it being a new category for the olympics, what do you make of what mitt romney is doing, on the one hand

acknowledging he had success in massachusetts but trying to deny the legacy that comes with it because it's inconvenient since the president has had success. >> i have heard conservatives don't like him, liberals don't like him. it sounds like he's where he should be. as to mitt romney's position, he has never been in favor of national health care. to say he's flip-flopped on that is incorrect. you had something about cookie gate. if that's the major issue we have in the united states, i suspect the liberals are going in the wrong direction on that. >> you say it's not a flip-flop -- if you say it's not a flip-flop, let's choose another word. he changed his mind, used different language, said the opposite of what he said before. how is it not a flip-flop? >> you want to call it a penalty. you think the american public cares how you define it?

75% of small businesses are concerned about obamacare. that's what they're thinking. they don't care if they use penalty, tax, ask the average person. i just don't want government taking over health care. that's what people are saying. >> could you correct the record for us? >> that's interesting. let me make two points. on april 5th, 2006, governor romney said, and i'm not quoting him, but i'm paraphrasing he would like to see what he did in massachusetts applied nationwide. that's an associated press report. that's a press report. that's not something i came up with lot of the blue or a friday night after a glass of wine which i have not had yet. my point is he did say he would like to see what happened in massachusetts applied nationwide. leader, i'm sorry, but that's not the case. >> he wants to leave it to the states. >> that's not what he said. >> he said he wanted it to be a model for the rest of the country. >> that means he wants other states to to it, that's fine, but he's not going to mandate

it. >> did he only want 47 of the 50 states or all 50 inmy point is simple, he has flip-flopped on the issue backwards and forwards. that makes you a liar or a hypocrite at least. i'm sorry, but i like governor romney as a person, i'm sure he's a lovely man, but you can't say you're for gay marriage and be against gay marriage whe. you can't say you're pro choice and against abortion. you can't say you want health care for all and it's a tax and when it applies to the rest of the country because the chief justice says it's a tax it's not. >> i want you to respond, but i want to ask to the leader, are you going to turn away medicaid, the governor in terms of state's rights, are you going to, you know, in one sense deny the legitimacy of that distribution to those citizens in your particular state? >> i think governor christie spoke on that. he would be a good model. you had him at the jersey shore. that's a guy who tells it the way it is.

>> is that a yes or no? >> are they going to turn around medicaid? i heard governor christie talk about this, and he said in new jersey, medicaid has reached the point where it's something we're going to continue. but we'll leave that up to the governor and the entire legislature. >> goldie taylor, david axelrod called romney the most secretive candidate since richard nixon. do you think that's an effective way to describe him? >> if i hear anything else about taxes and penalties from mitt romney, i want to hear about the taxes he hasn't shown us and the penalties he does not pay. jet skiing and all that stuff aside, mitt romney is out of touch with the american people. to say that we don't, you know, care about people who don't have access to quality care, health insurance in this country, is frankly something that's a misnomer. i'm a small business owner. i employ under 50 people. i provide those people with health insurance out of my pocket. and i think that's an important choice that i make and i think

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welcome back to "the ed show." tonight in our survey, i asked you, are the disappointing job numbers because of president obama's policies or gop obstruction? 4% say president obama's policies. 96% say gop obstruction. up next, pennsylvania's voter id law could dissen franchise over 750,000 voters this november. i'll ask the reverend jesse jackson about how residents are fighting back. we'll be right back. [ male announcer ] most people tend to think more about how they brush than what they brush with.

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the old, the young, and the poor. three quarters of a million people in pennsylvania could be disenfranchised by the state's new voter id law. it could swing the election in mitt romney's favor, which is what state republicans have wanted all along. >> volter id, which is going to allow governor romney to win the state of pennsylvania, done. >> can't be plainer than that. the republican appointed commonwealth secretary initially claimed just 1% of pennsylvania voters would be affected by the law. turned out those numbers were off, way off. 9.2% of registered voters in pennsylvania could be turned away from the polls this november. how do they get it so wrong? says a pennsylvania department of states spokesman, we were asked to provide that information in a very short period of time as the bill was moving through the legislature. in fact, the spokesman told the cbs affiliate his department only took a day and a half to compare u.s. census data to

penndot records. they compared records to voter reg slalgz polls. a county by county look at the new law shows democratic strongholds will be hit the hardest, mainly philadelphia and allegheny counties. how hard? enough to thurn the state red. as the philadelphia daily news reports, the total of just these two counties, 286,048 is more than three times the total votes former democratic congressman joe sestak lost by in his 2010 senate race against republican pat toomey. toomey beat sestak by 80,229 votes. now the law faces a leaggal challenge. a july 25th hearing is scheduled. it could possibly reach the state's supreme court by the november election. joining me is the reverend jesse jackson. welcome on the show. >> what a subject. >> receive rnd jackson, let's

get right to it. is this a poll attack in disguise? >> of course, it is. the republicans won by a margin of discounted votes. in 2004, they won by a margin of unused machines and people in lines all day long. always some scream to deny or suppress the vote. in ohio, they have been prjed from the roles sxrk you can't vote the weekend before the election. so in pennsylvania, the 750,000 will determine the winner of the election. that's why eric holder's role as attorney general is so important. >> that's a very key point. do you think legal action is the best way to fight this? there are a variety of apgzs available. which do you think is the best? >> litigation to enforce the legislation. we got the right to vote in 1965. after 100 years of denial. let me remind you that blacks

could not vote in the south, but they couldn't serve on juries. an 18-year-olds couldn't vote. you could only vote on tuesdays. it became inconvenient to vote. these schemes of challenging -- in texas today, students can use a student id, could not use a student id to vote, they use gun registration to vote. these schemes are voter denial in 38 states. i think we should commend attorney general holder for fighting that fight. >> tell us, and you're the perfect person to do so, how this could impact the election. >> well, because the election is won by small margins. nixon by 110,000 votes. less than one vote per precinct. in 2000, bush won by 2,000 votes, and the votes stopped -- the votes were uncounted. big elections, small margins. so ohio, pennsylvania, and

michigan and illinois, you could determine the winner based upon voter suppression or voter involvement. as americans, we fight wars for democracy, why can't we fight the easy access to voting here for your 18-year-old or black or latino or woman or senior? why can't we have on site registration. >> you mentioned attorney general eric holder earlier, reverend jackson. do you think all of the brouhaha occasioned by his being so rudely mistreated by congress and being held in contempt is a smoke screen to distract us from the reality that eric holder and his office is really trying to deal with voter abuse here and the very thing that you're speaking about is being in some sense marginalized because what is at center is his particular character. do you think it's all a red flag there and a red herring? >> i think so.

as a matter of fact, in south carolina, he gave a speech in south carolina and found that the impact of voter suppression had an impact on black and brown voters, for example. he's been a champion voting for basic easy access for every american to vote. you know, we've had some big position government, secretary of commerce, and housing and the like, but none more key than justice. justified by an even playing field. that's the american dream where every american has a fair chance. the department of justice is that department that gives us a chance. i'm glad he's not going to step away, and not step down. >> from the living icon, thank you so much. >> thank you, sir. >> coming up, the god particle. find out why it's such a big deal and why it might be a bad sign for research here in the united states. we'll be right back.

we've got a big question for you in the big finish tonight. do you know what the higs bosun is? >> i have no idea? >> it's a thing. >> sounds like an animal or -- >> a building? what is it? >> the hig higgs boson. >> an installation. a piece of art.

>> here's the bottom line. the higgs boson is a kind of particle, some call it the god particle. it was discovered on the fourth of july in switzerland and it's a big deal. >> i think we have it. do you agree? >> yeah. >> scientists called higgs boson the holy grail and the discovery of our lifetime. one said it's the match that set off the cosmic explosion that created every. they call it profound and the key to the construction of the universe. it's opened a door for the future of research. it happened in geneva, switzerland. the construction costs $10 billion and it spans 17 miles under the border of switzerland and france. 2900 scientists are working exclusively on capturing the higgs is boson.

they analyzed a thousand collisions before finding it. it's possible we could have mad that discovery here in america, and we could have done it a decade earlier, but they killed it back in 1993. >> we can argue about the scientific merits all day long. we can make all sorts of exaggerated claims. we simply cannot afford it. we have other priorities. >> both parties killed the texas project that might have kept the u.s. on the cutting edge. so what is the higgs is boson? maybe it's a missed opportunity. i'm joined by leonard, a physicist and science writer at cal tech in pasadena and the author of subliminal, how your unconscious mind rules your behavior. what should the average person know about the higgs boson sph.

>> there are four forces in nature? gravity, which is described by einstein's theory of relativity and the other three, which are described by the standard model. and the standard model in elementary particle physics is probably the most successful theory science has produced. it's made numerous predictions that have been confirmed around the world, but one thing that has never been observed before is the higgs boson. and it's very important because not only because the theory doesn't really work without it, but because it's what according to the theory, gives everything mass. and so if the higgs boson or the field did not exist as predicted by the standard model, you would have no mass, there would be nor atoms, no molecules, no planets, no stars, and simply, we wouldn't be here. >> that explains why it's so important, right? because it is the -- is it the missing, if you will, piece of

evidence we need for the kind of unified field of theory. we don't want to go too densy into the physics i don't understand, but einstein sought this. is this a key ingredient that will help us understand the nature of the universe? >> it's in a way the missing piece of the standard model, the last particle to be predicted that we found, but in a way, it's also a beginning and what we observe at the lhc is also, it fills out the standard model and physicists hope it's a beginning to give us the keys to what you're talking about, to go beyond the standard model. >> professor, why wasn't this discovered in the united states? >> well, first of all, the united states played a key role. i mean, we've invested about half a billion dollars into the construction of the large had ron collider and numerous scientists including many at cal tech works on the experiments there. i wouldn't say it was not a

non-u.s. discovery, and also i would like to say that the higg is boson is not a u.s. boson, not a european boson. nature is something that we all investigate and sienls is a worldwide effort, buabout 20 years ago, we here in the u.s. were building a collider that would have been like the lhc or superior to it and we spent about $2 billion on it and then congress lost interest in it and decided the funds could be better used elsewhere and just cut it off. >> well, 30 seconds left, do you think we're being left behind as a nation in ground breaking research? >> no, i don't. we still get far more nobel prizes that the population would indicate, we spend far more money than other countries, and we have great scientists here. i wouldn't say that, but i think it's important to value science and i hope that the united states continues to do so. >> the higgs boson. thank you for your time. >> that's