tv The Rachel Maddow Show MSNBC July 7, 2012 3:00am-4:00am PDT
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about 200 miles southwest of denver, there's a tiny town called paionia, every single year on july 4th, the residents hold a parade through their downtown. this year's parade earlier this week featured a float from citizens for a healthy community and this special ride for the citizen of the year, nice car, congratulations, ma'am. and then there was this. a column of imposing green tanks
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rolling through the center of town, one of which was equipped with two mounted 40 millimeter anti-aircraft guns. these tanks, it turns out, were not props and b, were the parade contribution from the local zil nar, a fellow named bill koch. he decided he wanted to roll the military tanks through downtown paonia, it's a free country, what are you going to do, right? >> one local resident not fond of this decision, what he decided to do was this, he staged his own personal tee enamen comes to paonia contest. he refused to move. the guy with a sign is a local resident named sid, former town
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councilman. buying the planet or just taking it? and the other, democracy bought and sold. eventually mr. lewis was escorted out of the way of the tanks by one of the men riding on top of the koch tank. but not before he made his point. not before the denver post caught wind of the wheel thing and christened the whole thing, tee anna men sid. his outsed local influence as the guy putting the column of tanks in the local parade as the owner of multiple energy companies and not just two neighboring counties as well, it may have been a reference to what bill koch's brothers are doing in national politics. in total, they have said they will spend $400 million trying to defeat president obama this
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year. $400 million, more than the entire mccain campaign spent. karl rove has already announced his groups which appear to be mostly funded by very rich conservative individuals, plan to spend anywhere in the neighborhood of $300 million, this doesn't count the romney campaign itself or the republican party. and that's all on top of the koch brothers money. how are the democrats attempting to match that kind of fire power? to understand that it may be helpful to keep in mind the hair dresser in sandals against the tanks. what might be the democratic's best hope for competing with this juggernaut of right wing money, the democrats own super pac run by bill burton. but look how they are getting
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outgunned. this pro obama super pac, new york times this weekend, they worked their tails off and put together a whole bunch of donations from left leaning donors and cobbled together $10 million for a multistate ad buy. it was a huge investment for them, a landmark investment for them. three days after they did that, they got word that one guy alone on the other side, republican was personally contributing that much, that day to the mitt romney super pac. and he was donating another $10 million that day to karl rove's super pac at the same time and now saying maybe he'll contribute ten times when push comes to shove. this is an optimistic profile of the democratic side in the "new york times" this weekend. what it says is that the only democratic plan for trying to compete in terms of ad spending in this election is to wage
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asymmetric warfare. having conceded the arms race before it began, the democrat super pac team recognized its only hope lay in asymmetrical warfare, storytelling that could be done on the cheap. you would never know this is the party in power, right? they are talking about having to use guerilla tactics to compete with overwhelming forgs on the other side. a week ago tonight, from air force one, president obama convened a conference call with many of his top campaign donors. in that call he sounded the alarm. according to the daily beast, heard a recording from that call, the president told his donors, we're going to see more money spent on negative ads than ever before. if things continue as they have so far, i will be the first sitting president in modern history to be outspent in his re-election campaign.
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the president appears to be right in that assessment so far. in may, president obama was outraised by the romney campaign by a lot. mitt romney managed to outraise him by $17 million. for the past month, for june, the romney campaign has happening noungsed they have improved on their big number and in addition to all of the outside money. we still don't know what it's going to be in terms of the number from president obama in june but his campaign is telegraph teenager it is not nearly as much as what the romney campaign raised. in terms of head to head obama versus romney fund raising, but the overall picture speaks worse than that. the boston globe reporting that supporting republicans overall in the country have thus far raised more than triple -- more than three times as many as the super pac supporting the democrats. this isn't just for the presidency, this is for
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everything. look at that. republicans have three bucks for every one buck that democrats have. whether or not president obama is able to beat mitt romney as what do we call him now an underdog incumbent, whether or not president obama is able to overcome that, that great disparity will have complications down the road. who controls the congress? whatever else was going on in the country, it is not incidental to note that the republicans outspent the democrats by a 2-1 margin. it matters. fw they can repeat that this year, the sky is the limit in terms of congress. they likely win control of congress i would venture a guess, regardless of what happens in the presidential race. this was not always an inherently partisan structural problem. in some ways now it is, right? you think about what citizens united did, that cleared the way
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for corporate unlimited donations. that does tilt the playing field in terms of corporate interest and in favor of republican interests. in terms of individual rich people in america making a difference in politics, that does not necessarily have to lean inherently right. in 2004 as a matter of fact it leaned left. the great george soros gave more than $23 million to democratic groups in 2004. peter lewis gave about same amount, little less. steve bing gave nearly $14 million in 2004. democrats in terms of rich democratic donors in 2004, way outpace the republicans. but this time they are sitting on the sidelines, george soros has given $2 million. peter lewis, $200,000 and steve
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bing, $425,000 compared with $14 million before. why aren't big campaign donors who can make a difference in terms of personal decisions on what to do on campaign related spending as individuals, why are they sitting on their hands on the democratic side so far? are they waiting for something and they get in later? do they think it's hopeless because yeah, maybe they are rich guys but not the koch brothers and will be outspent no matter what they do? is the post citizens united thunderdome created by the supreme court so inherently distasteful with democratic politics they don't want to play in that dirty game anymore? those of us thinking bg what it means for our country, the likely outcome of the election, it seems like an important question, an important part of
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the process. but for the people who are inside makes these decisions, how do they view their role and what do they think of this obvious disparity that keeps getting worse no matter how much the democrats and the president himself sound the alarm about it? joining us now, a bundler of nations to the president which we know because mr. obama's campaign discloses that. you know him better as the co-founder of miramax films, harv harv harvey wine steen. >> we had drama at the set and you handled it great. >> what's your reaction to that sort of disparity.
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>> i've give you an example of two movies i distributed, spent the exact same amount. king's speech grossed $140 million, won a few oscars and the other was called our idiot brother and we spent the same exact of money and grossed $25 million, not bad for what we paid for but okay, good, little bit of profit. to me, romney is our idiot brother and obama is the king's speech. you can spend all the money in the world if you've got a bad product, it doesn't matter. ask anybody on madison avenue. don't ask the wall street guys, bring the advertising guys on. if i have a defective product, i can spend $5 billion, i'm not going to sell anything. the edsels spent more money on ford than any other car in the
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country. it was the bomb of a lifetime. product after product. i'm happy if the koch brothers would come on the phone and i could get catsen berg and other guys and we can talk about their politics. >> what do you think we're seeing this change over time from people who have democratic politics and do support this president, having been willing to give a lot of money on the democratic side in the past just giving less this year? >> i think people are confident on the democratic side. i think you see romney and hear even conservatives, rupert murdoch criticizing mitt romney. there's so much dissension and mike wrote a column in the daily news calleding him a moot romney, he doesn't say anything. we have a president who speaks and speaks to the issue. they have a candidate that says nothing and have a campaign strategy which is say nothing. at a certain point the american public will get tired of it.
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right now i think everybody is sitting back and saying, why spend it if we don't have to. if we have to, they will. >> is the congress argument compelling to donors or are they motivated -- when you talked to other people and trying to get people to donate, people motivated by the top of the ticket. that report from "the boston globe", more than 3-1 republicans versus democrats, that looks like a republican congress to any, which democratic minded people have to be a little bothered by. >> their candidate will win and they'll get a tax cut, it's the same ridiculous thing. they spend $300 million and expect on their multibillion dollar companies they'll get 400 back and make a profit. maybe they will if a republican candidate gets in. it will hurt the country and we'll be back in recession. it's amazing in 2008, 2007, when
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we had a republican administration and george bush was president, he was on his knees, his company was two seconds from being bankrupt. he probably owes more to president obama for being able to write those checks because he righted the country from the impending disaster. edleson was two seconds from going bankrupt. >> in terms of your politics, not just thinking about this election but this last term and what's happened from congress going from democratic control to republican control, are there things you want to be happening in the democratic party that aren't happening? things you want the president to do in policy or politics that you think he ought to do and he's not doing? >> he's doing a fantastic job. it's trying to communicate it and it's always hard when you're the incumbent. people think even if you fix it, it's never fast enough. so i'm very happy with what the president is doing. when i think of the economy tco,
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i get happier every minute. i have voted republican in the past. it's not fair to say -- i raised funds for governor po tacky and voted rudy giuliani as well and did the same. when there's a good man, there's a good man. with all due respect to governor romney, he's not capable to run the united states. >> can i ask you a movie question? >> much better more any. i have to pay my dues and answer the political questions. >> i'm the least pop culture aware person in the world but i know what i like. from my perspective and kind of creepy coincidence happen to be a producer of most of the movies i like. that's a compliment i don't understand i think you're good at what you do. you're bringing over this movie that is the top grossing film in france ever? >> it's the number two and around the world it's the number
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main character is paralyzed from the neck down and persuaded his aide to go paragliding with him. how do you know when something works in another country, whether or not americans will like it? >> in this situation i read the script. >> a young man in my office said i read this great script. i read the script too and it was amazing. i felt that something about this movie worked and i don't know, i got lucky with the artist and people say it's a bump up from me, i went from silent movie to even though it's in french, it's got sound this time. i've never had an experience where people see a movie in a theater like this movie "the untouchable", a true story and you feel elated. >> the opening car chase scene has the same effect. >> it's great to have you here and nice to talk candid with you. >> can i ask you a question?
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>> i saw a poster for scary movie and my brother and david zooker are about to go into production. how did you know the cast we have? you have that story first. that's breaking news. >> i think it's creepy you're in my head about what movies to make. now you're in my head too. with the spark miles card from capital one, thor's couture gets the most rewards of any small business credit card. your boa! [ garth ] thor's small business earns double miles on every purchase, every day! ahh, the new fabrics, put it on my spark card. [ garth ] why settle for less? the spiked heels are working. wait! [ garth ] great businesses deserve the most rewards! [ male announcer ] the spark business card from capital one. choose unlimited rewards with double miles or 2% cash back on every purchase, every day!
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debunktion junction, what's my function? true or false, mitt romney is the republican nominee for president? it's a done deal, according to republican party rules, there's no other candidate with enough delegates to be the nominee. mr. romney clinched the nomination in may in the texas primary where he won more than 100 delegates so now he's the undisputed republican nominee for president in the 2012 election. is that true or is that false? false. remember congressman ron paul? congressman paul has actively -- stopped actively campaigning for president, but his supporters is have not actively stopped supporting him, including fighting it out in the states to win for ron paul those states' delegates to the republican national convention in tampa where the nominee of the party gets chosen. ron paul has won a majority of delegates from maine, wisconsin, and louisiana. that's four states. and according to rules, to be
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nominated at the convention, you only need to win five states. each candidate for nomination shall demonstrate the plurality of a delegate from each of the five or more states. ron paul has four states. he's only one away to be nominated at the convention. it turns out he could get that one more state a week from tomorrow when the nebraska state republican party holds its state convention to pick its delegates to go to the national convention in tampa. so here's the rub. even though mitt romney won the nebraska primary, ron paul delegates have proven themselves to be really good at taking over the state conventions and getting themselves picked to be the delegates. they say they're so worried about the prospect they told us today they're hiring extra security for their convention. quote, for the purposes of maintaining an orderly convention. so depending on what happens in nebraska next weekend, a week from tomorrow, hey, it's
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possible that ron paul is also going to be nominated at the convention in tampa. along with mitt romney, which means dueling speeches from both nominees, and votes and a floor fight and something really, really specific and rules based for those rules based ron paul delegates to do at the convention instead of just cheer for things related to the fed. yes, mitt romney is probably going to be the republican presidential nominee, but it is not a done deal. all eyes on nebraska next weekend. ♪ hajimemashite. hajimemashite. hajimemashite. you guys like football ? thank you so much. i'm stoked. you stoked ? totally. ... and he says, "under the mattress." souse le matelas. ( laughter ) why's the new guy sending me emails from paris ? paris, france ? verizon's 4g lte devices are global-ready.
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if you're looking at the news online and you're looking not just at the national papers and the wires and the political sites but regional papers, local newspapers, one thing you'll find are stories about americans living through hot weather in a way we do not think of americans as living right now. namely, americans living without electric power. here on the front page of the columbus dispatch, a woman hanging her laundry to dry on a chain link fence and heating soup on an outdoor grill. here, a story about residents suffering through a seventh day without electricity. here che tharls at charleston, west virginia, you have linemen working 16 hour days to try to restore power that has been out for seven days. here in a ft. wayne, indiana,
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paper's page, you have news that 36,000 households are still without power. here in virginia, an elderly woman who has to turn out every light in the house to run the medical device off a generator because her electricity has been out for eight days now. it's a great reminder that technological advances don't go to the same pace. since we have had power in most homes since the 1930s, in 2012 when the power lines come down in totally predictable annual weather events, we can't get the lines back up for a week, maybe longer, who knows? but meanwhile, we can use the internet and our lightning fast iphone apps to identify every up to the minute detail in infinitely zoomable color satellite map and infographics, precise information about where our 20th century power lines are not connecting to our houses to give us electricity anymore. we can be very precise in a
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technologically adept way about our very, very low tech problem. this is one of those issues at the man on the street level aggravates everybody the same way. left, right and center. i have had staunch republican friends tell me after a long power outage at their home with a new baby they would vote for any democrat, cross party lines for the first time in their lines and vote for a democrat even if it was the democrat who would promise to bury the power lines so they don't come down in every storm. the dyspeptic easily offended david frum wrote a column with stars in his eyes for germany who has an average rate of power outages of 21 minutes per year. over the course of a year. if you told that to this woman in columbus, she would probably learn german before the soup was hot. beyond individual voices
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ignoring party lines to saying we ought to do something about our lousy infrastructure, we ought to do something to keep the lights on in a way that makes us seem 20th century if not 21st century. there's also one aspect of our failure on the issue that could improve the chances we could get something done on it. that is some of the most numerous and devastating power outages in the country right now, for the past week, have been in the washington, d.c. area. here's a map of d.c. area power outages. look at that. because even if we can't keep the lights on, we have awesome online interfaces telling us how and where we can't keep the lights on. you can zoom in and get the status of the power outages and the expected restoration. this is just a google map. there's also the official power outage map from the utility company, which is well done, too. see that color there, the orange? that means between 1,000 and
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5,000 households in that shaded area are still without power. the storms that caused this power outage were seven days ago, june 29th, and every single day since then has been above 95 degrees in the washington, d.c. area, with all those people with no power. of course, not everything that afflicts washington, d.c. as a place gets fixed because politicians live there. if that were the case, the washington, d.c. license plates would not say taxation without representation. still, when stuff happens to d.c., when politicians and the political chattering classes are among those affected by something that is fundamentally, elementally disruptive to our lives and humiliating to us as citizens, when it's something you expect the richest country on earth to do that we for some reason cannot do and that thing affects you and your family's life personally, that can create the lasting
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their member of congress about a big piece of legislation he signed, the transportation bill. he brought two main groups of people with him other than elected officials for the signing. he brought college students because it was this transportation bill that included the language about the student loans keeping people's student loan rates from doubling this week. the other group of people besides elected officials and college students were construction workers because this is the transportation bill so it involves funding for lots and lots of construction projects. rebuilding roads and bridges and highways all across the country, and this is that you're looking at with the president putting pen to paper, this is kind of a miracle because in order to get to the point where president obama could sign this thing and have this photo op today, the united states congress had to pass something. this congress. and not just a resolution about hating bad things and loving good things like they usually do. and not just some other new anti-abortion thing they have come up, with big actual policy for the whole country.
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don't get too excited about the return of constructive bipartisanship on capitol hill. in order to get to this point, the president had to sign a one-week long transportation and student loan bill last week because the big miracle bill had not yet made its way to his desk and the deadlines had hit. student loan rates were going to go up, construction workers were going to be laid off. they had a week long bobbling of the issue but they did get their act together. big picture here, the bill got signed, and the whole country, left, right, and center, frankly, is lived about the fact our power goes out, indefinitely, sometimes for weeks at a time, because there was a thunderstorm somewhere. because a thunderstorm is something we never ever thought about having before. every summer when it happens. it's a complete shot, and in the winter, we're equally unprepared for the cold kinds of storms. infrastructure is something that people care about, right, on both sides of the aisle. if you look at the policy
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statements, they both at least say they want infrastructure investment. president obama is proposing it. mitt romney is saying he likes it in theory, in practice he has been deriding it as wasteful stimulus that does not work. but congress did pass this bill that has good infrastructure investment in this transportation thing today. if you turn the frown upside down and look at the possibility of doing something here, look at the country's needs in terms of keeping the lights on and in terms of the economy and putting people to work, don't we have a way forward on this one issue? couldn't more infrastructure stuff get done, even now, even this year, even with this congress, even with this election. i feel hopeful about this. christina romer is the former chair of president obama's counsel of economic advisers. christina, thank you so much for your time. it's nice to have you here. >> it's great to be with you. >> you are an expert on the
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economic side of this, about what types of policies the government can pursue to try to right the economy when it's in a bad way and try to get maximize employment to the extent we can. how important is infrastructure investment in the universe of different spending policies and fiscal policies that the government can adopt. >> it's incredibly important. i think if you were to say what is the one small silver lining to this horrible recession that we have been through is that it has at least generated a lot of new research on what can fiscal policy do, what can government spending do? and the overwhelming conclusion of all of that research is that government spending absolutely can help you recover from a recession, and among the kinds of government spending that's the most useful, it's infrastructure. it's important to define it broaddy, so of course it's roads and bridges and it's absolutely power lines like you described
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but i would put in human infrastructure. so things like education make human beings more productive and efficient over time, and money for basic science, those are things that put people to work right now and make us more productive over time. it's incredibly valuable and useful. >> what we're up against here with this infrastructure discussion is we're stuck between two prongs that are going in the same direction, but they feel like they're competing. everybody talks about the need to improve our infrastructure. everybody talks about how that is something that's good for the country economically and in terms of what -- the needs that infrastructure serves in an immediate way. but the things that you described on the right, those get did he rided not as investment, not as infrastructure, but just as spending. how do you engage with that qualitative argument on the right, that spending itself is so toxic that even when it's spending on stuff that we like,
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now is not the time to do it? >> i think, i'm a great believer in evidence-based policy making. i just have to believe that if you keep showing republicans the studies, the evidence, that say, you know, the returns to government spending to basic science are so enormous in terms of what they do for patents down the road, for what they do for our productivity down the road. that eventually you have to break through. and i think that's the only way i know to do it is to just keep showing them the evidence, trying to build the case, and you made the important point, you know, the average person in the street understands this, they see what their school means for their kids, they see what the power lines mean for their own lives. businesses understand it, they're the ones screaming for better ports and better roads and bridges that aren't falling down. there ought to be, as you have described, a way to have a national consensus on this issue.
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the other thing to point out is this is a uniquely good time to be doing this. borrowing costs are at historic lows. so the government can borrow to do these things. and we have so many unemployed construction workers and electrical workers and all those things, it's an excellent time to be doing this. it's a win-win. it's good for the economy no and jobs, it's good for the economy in the future because we're more productive. >> in terms of the overall jobs picture, today's job's report showed the economy adding just 80,000 jobs last month. the unemployment rate stuck at 8.2%. as a former top adviser to the president who is back in the academic world, what's your case to the administration given this election year about what can be done now to create jobs, to do the kinds of things you're talking about, maybe without even having to go to congress? >> that is what is so hard, right, because the kinds of things we're talking about, so
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infrastructure spending, or even tax changes like giving small businesses a tax cut if they hire people, those things require government, you know, require congress' approval. what the president can do is very limited. he has been trying lots of things. so things like our trade policy, the president does have a lot of leeway there, and he's worked very hard to say if we don't have demand for american products let's try to get foreign demand. that would aleast put -- more of our workers back to work. he's pushed very hard, we saw just today, he was bringing in another enforcement action against china to try to open up that market for american firms. so that's certainly important. you know, the main entity here that could do something without congress is the federal reserve. and that's obviously something that the president can't control, but gosh, i wish they would do something because they're the one agency that
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maybe could help to move the dial without congress doing anything and i'm so frustrated that they're sitting on the sidelines. >> i don't think they watch, but if i run into them, i'll pass on your frustration. christina romer, now at berkley economics professor, thank you for your time tonight. really nice for us to have you here. >> thank you. >> hands down the most gob smacking stories about traditions, sports, and trees you'll ever hear, ever. it's our close of the show tonight. please stay tuned for it. we're very happy with it. ♪ i'm consolidating my assets. i'm not paying hidden fees or high commissions. i'm making the most of my money. and seven-dollar trades are just the start. i'm with scottrade. i'm with scottrade. i'm with scottrade. and i'm loving every minute of it. [ rodger riney ] at scottrade, we give you commission-free etfs, no-fee iras and more. come see why more investors are saying...
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if you're like me and like a little strange in your politics, you may feel sadness about this or thadness, at least. thaddeus mckhanner has resigned from congress. he has said he would not run to hold on to his seat after he failed to make the ballot for the republican primary. his campaign turned in only a fraction of the valid signatures required to put him on the ballot along with page after page of obviously fraudulent signatures. he still doesn't know how that happened and he supports the michigan criminal investigation into that. with him failing to qualify for the ballot, that has meant, this guy, a reindeer herder is going to be the only candidate on the ballot in the republican primary for that congressional seat tat the republicans now hold in michigan. mr. mccotter briefly considered a write-in bid, but he gave that up. all that plus his failed presidential campaign last year and unhinged sexist tv show he
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was writing scripts for, somehow it proved too much for congressman mccotter and announced he will not be finishing his term. the recent events indignities and desooets have weighed heavily on my family. one cannot rebirth their hearth of home for the sake of my loved ones, i must strike another match and go start anew. by embracing the promotion back from public serve aept to sovereign citizen. with help of lyrics, promoting himself from congressman to sovereign citizen. you are free to google that if the chair in front of your computer comes with a seat belt. good luck, you've resigned as you've served, weirdly. but i do not mean that in a bad way. do you see it ?
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[ cheers and applause ] the other day in alabama they tried to pick a jury for a university of alabama football fan, stands accused of criminal mischief and december creating an object, a pair of live oak trees on the campus, of auburn university. he was a alabama fan, auburn and alabama are rivals. these two oak trees of rewhere generations have gone to celebrate wins by the auburn football team, particularly those over alabama. team loyalty aside, they are as venerable an object as you could find in the state of alabama. about the deskrags of these trees, nearly half of the potential jurors had celebrated something about auburn under
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those oaks. it is the cultural importance of those trees to auburn university and to alabama as a state that made so surreal this phone call to a local radio show last year. listen. >> the weekend after the iron bowl, i went to auburn, alabama because i live 30 miles away and poisoned the two toomer's tree, put spike 80 df in them. >> it did they die? >> they definitely will die. >> a man calling in saying he killed the toomer oaks with a tree poison, he did do it or somebody did it. ever since they learned of the poisoning, they are trying to save their beloved trees. we reported on their efforts, they removed the soil from around the roots and added activated liquid charcoal and coated the leaves in an effort
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to keep the trees from drinking in poisoned water and injected the trees with sugar trying to feed the trees since they are too sick to feed themselves, a producer for this show every once in a while sends us something from her travels. her travels took her to auburn, alabama, while she was there, she checked in on the rescue effort. the auburn heart cult tourist has the trees have been 5% blow their foilage. they are in trouble. ful they were any other trees on campus, they would have been cut down already. >> very likely about this fall, they are going to be -- it's a -- if they continue, they'll be at a point where they are dead. we'll recognize that we need to replace these trees. these two fissures occurred early part of last year. since then the bark has
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loosened. you can see the movement in it. it is not normal right here. and we've got some decay in the base on this side here. you can see by the darkened wood. we're going to loose the bark and the decay is not a good sign. this at the base of the one of the oaks is called shoots or suckeres, these appear healthy but not all are. if you move over here, you see classic signs of the herb side injury. you see the herbocide will accumulate along the margins of the leaves and they'll yellow and brown and then typically would drop off. we've already lost leaves along some of the stems and these leaves are persisting but this is very evident of the herbocide injury. we've done many things to try to save the trees. if you look at the trees, it's
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very clear we haven't been completely successful and based on the decline that we continue to see, it's very likely that these trees are not going to survive in spite of our efforts. >> tree murder. that's the deal with auburn's venerable object, gary keefr says they've shown know sign of responding to the injections with sugar. s not giving up but too much of a scientist to avoid the obvious outcome here. the man accused of poisoning the trees have pleaded not guilty by reason of mental disease or effect. the trial was already sapping his strength and he thought he would pass out the first morning the jury selection, lost 62 pounds since being arrested and taking 18 kinds of medicine. his wife says he won't make it through the trial without something happening, whatever that means. not incidentally in the same newspaper article, the paper's reporter says the accused tree killer admitted his crime, he told the student newspaper
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reporter he had poisoned the trees. the man's defense says the man did no such thing, admitted no such thing but the paper is standing by its story and what its reporter says the suspect told him. the defense says they want this trial moved away from auburn alabama. last month just two days into jury selection, the jury in the case as you s suspended the trial and found at least ten jurors had seen the front page auburn student newspaper story quoting the suspect as saying he had done it, he had poisoned the trees, which his defense attorney says he didn't say. the judge ruled that the jury pool is too tainted to continue and the case may have to leave the whole district of alabama all together. the trial is set to start again in the fall. it is a case of tree murder, where it may be impossible to find a jury of 12 people who have not been in love with the murder victim, in love with those trees or at least do not believe in their hearts they know who killed the trees. this is an alabama story, sports
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