>> i got people running out of theatre that are shot. >> you have gas masks available? >> s.w.a.t. team are like part of the military. >> you could see was his eyes. >> he had two small objects and they start smoking. people thought they were actually effects of the movie. >> he was so calm. >> everybody knew it was real at that point. that rifle was in my face. >> it was a pretty big gun. really loud. >> screaming, yelling. lot of moaning, too. >> most of the injuries were again, gun shot wounds and appear to have of a high caliber. >> had six patients at children's. one unfortunately passed. >> i'm furious about the person that done this. >> we have a suspect in custody. >> james eagan holmes. >> we may never understand what

leads anybody to terrorize their fellow human beings like this cht . it is now just 14 hours from when all eyes shifted to the tragedy in aurora, colorado. one of the deadliest mass shootings in u.s. history. the details remain influx, but here's the latest this hour. 71 shot. 12 died. the rest were injured. now, the tragic shooting in colorado has stunned the nation an the political world today. it happened just after the start of a midnight premier of the new bat man movie, "the dark knight rises." a heavily armed gunman bursting into the theatre through an exit door and here's how witnesses describe what happened next. >> he threw one gas like, one tear gas thing. >> landed in the road. hit the girl right in front of us. then it exploded.

>> then he threw another one. i think that went to the right of us. >> and did you see him starting to shoot people at that point? >> he waited, he looked like, he looked so calm when he did it. it was scary. he waited for the bombs both to explode before he made any type of move, then after they both exploded, that's when he began to shoot. >> the first shot was in the air, then he starting shooting towards -- >> no specific target. >> now, jennifer seeger, who escaped physical r harm, the suspected shooter, 24-year-old james holmes, taken into custody outside the multiplex shortly after the attack. authorities have not released a motive and fbi say there are no indications the shooting was tied to any terrorist groups. what we know is this right now. it appears to be a planned assault and aurora's police

chief apprehended the suspect, a shotgun, and a handgunment another was in his car and he wore a litany of ballistic gear. >> suspect was dressed in black. he was wearing a ballistic helmet, a tactical ballistic vest, ballistic leggings, a throat protector and groin protector and a gas mask. >> and at this hour, police are working to disharm holmes' aurora apartment. they've been working hard all day, which they say is boby trapped in an elaborate fashion. >> we are trying to determine how to disarm the flammable or explosive material that's in there, so that's why we're here. we could be here for hours or days. the pictures are pretty disturbing. looks pretty sophisticated. >> the tragedy pushed politics aside today as both the president and his rival, mitt romney, scrubbed campaign events and pulled political ads from colorado's air waves sh speaking

instead to a moment of wrunity d great sadness. >> if there's anything to take away from this tragedy, it's the reminder that life is very fragile. our time here is limited and it is precious. and what matters at the end of the day is not the small things. it's not the trivial things, which so often consume us and our daily lives. ultimately, it's how we choose to treat one another and how we love one another. >> our hearts break with the sadness of this unspeakable tragedy. ann and i joined the president and first lady and all americans in offering our deepest condolences for those whose lives for shattered in a few moments, a few moments of evil in colorado. >> let's bring in nbc's leanne greg on the scene in aurora,

colorado. this has been a long day for the police chief. six hours ago when you and i were discussing this very subject, so many things have changed since then. can you fill us in? >> reporter: one thing sta stands out, the numbers. earlier today, first we heard there were 50 people shot. then that was lowered to 38. who were injured and now, that number as you mentioned, 71 people shot, 12 have died. ten died at the scene. two died later in hospitals. several of the others are in critical condition. one of the bullets actually went through the theatre wall and struck a person watching a movie in another theatre. police tape, you can see, still surrounds the parking lot where the theatre, the crime happened at the theatre. the first call we were told during that news conference came in at about 39 minutes after midnight and police say officers

arrived within 60 to 90 seconds and immediately apprehended the suspect, james holmes. he was standi ining beside the in his car. didn't put up much of a problem. the suspect's home has been heavily booby trapped and that has been quite a problem. they evacuated several buildings in the area, several homes and we're not sure when those people will be allowed to return. the police chief said that quite often in this area at this theatre, off duty police officers man the theatres for some reason last night, none were doing so. >> another thing that we were talking about earlier. the last several hours, we didn't know the name of the suspect. do we have any understanding in materials of what the officials are doing with holmes right now? >> no, we don't. we know that they are questioning him and he is from the san diego area, so they're

talking with his family members, trying to get some idea of his state of mind the last couple of weeks. we know he's very bright. a neurosurgeon student who was in the process of withdrawing from university of colorado. he put on one of his recent applications for an apartment that he was a calm and easy going person, so they are investigating every aspect of people who might know him to see if there was any indication that this would happen. >> thank you. stay in aurora, colorado. it's about 20 miles from littlet littleton, colorado. the site of the 1999 columbine shooting. want to check in now with howard, a reporter for the denver post. howard, i want to get to the issue of columbine shortly, but since we were talking about holmes, do you have any information about who he is? whiz and what the officials may

be doing with him at the moment? >> as leann said, on his application for the apartment building, he described himself as quiet and easy going. and most of the people in this building actually described him as being a loner, a recluse. we do know that he's from san diego. he graduated from the university of california river side in the spring of 2010 and then came out to colorado and i believe he enrolled at the university of colorado medical campus in june of 2011. >> how has this scene evolved throughout the day? as i mentioned, you were one of the first reporters there looking at what was a horrific, exasperating event that had happened this morning. it's now 2:00 local time, to again, about 14 hours ago when this assault began.

what has changed in the last 12, 14 hours? >> very much like columbine. the figures have changed. when we were out at columbincol we thought that over 20 students had been killed out there initially. here, i believe the initial report from police was 14. it went down to 12. but then later in the day, the number shot up to 71. and from what we understand, many of those people are in critical condition. >> tell me about this. i mean, 71 is staggering. one of the largest shootings in history of the united states. when you were there on site and from other local journalists you've spoken with, what did that look like? >> well, it was mass confusion. people trying to get out of the theatre to get away.

police who arrived at the scene quickly were telling people to run to get out of there and so it was mass confusion. and what was very interesting, a will the of witnesses saw precisely what this man did. we had a witness by the that i mean of james wilburn who said he saw mr. holmes come in with a shotgun and rifle. he said he emptied the shotgun, put it on the floor calmly, then everitied the rifle. >> you have the unique perspective of watching over time, denver's police department, how they have evolved. tell us about how that has changed? >> it's not only been here in colorado, it's been nationwide.

what happened at columbine, it was around the lunch hour out there and they had reports of a shooting. and we had multiple jurisdictions respond. police respond to the scene. they set up a perimeter and what has happened over the past decade is that when we have a shooting like this, a mass shooting, they don't set up a perimeter. they go in immediately. they try to get to the perpetrators, to the shooters and get them out as quickly as possible. >> and again, they arrived in one or two minutes. >> has changed in police tactics nationwide. >> and that timing of one to two minutes, that sounds very, very quick since the first 9/11 call. quickly here, howard, what is that area like? >> it's a r very nice part of aurora. most of the denver area is very nice. it's a great place to live.

the shootings in nice suburbs have shocked us all and the suspect in this case, you know, i don't know what was going on with him, but he certainly outwardly doesn't fit the profile of somebody who would be involved in a mass shooting. >> i don't think we'll ever be able to make since of this. howard pankratz, thank you. let's move over now to mike viqueira, from the white house. vick, you were there listening to the president. he had a political event. he quickly changed tone. still flew into ft. myers, florida. what has he been doing over the last five, six hours? >> first of all, the president is back here at the white house. he arriveded back about six hours earlier than planned as you reported, richard. he did order the flags flown as half-staff. we've seen that happen here at the white house, the united states capitol and other federal buildings. we've just been told that we

don't expect to hear from president again today. he is more or less in for the evening, but here is how his day started. 5:26 a.m., he's informed by john brennan of the events in aurora. first, a written response, then to have him go from west palm beach, where he overnighted. he was on a two-day campaign swing through florida, to go to this event that had been planned in ft. myers, florida. he arrived, but dramatically changed. wasn't a rally at all, but a very somber statement by the president. basically, he says there will be other days for politics. this is a day for prayer and reflection. there was a second event scheduled outside orlando in winter park, that was canceled. the president flew directly back here some six hours before he was set to arrive is when he did arrive, about 2:00 here in washington. at the white house. mitt romney of course gave a

similarly somber address in new hampshire where he was to give a campaign address as well. the first lady and romney, the vice president have canceled events today, ads are in the process of being taken down in colorado, which incidentally is a contested or swing state this election. so, not a day for politics. a day for everybody to sort of make very somber, high minded statements, both of these men reminding the nation that we are one nation. emphasizes the unity they felt and sympathy they felt. >> a time for the reflection of the campaigns and the country. come up, at the campaign's most combative point, the president and his opponent talk pause amid tragedy. >> this morning, we woke up to news of a tragedy that reminds

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just after midnight, both presidential campaigns had to hit the pause button. for both, that meant canceling previous engagements for themselves and spouses and pulling all tv ads from colorado affiliates, something all major outside spending groups did today. now, instead, both the president and mitt romney used their appearances today to convey a message of national unity.

>> there are going to be other days for politics. this, i think is a day for prayer and reflection. >> i stand before you today not as a man running for office, but as a father and grandfather, a husband and american. >> joining us now in philadelphia, dr. james peterson and associate professor at lehigh university. we heard both the messages were fairly religious and very personal and dana, when have you heard of this before where two presidential campaigns stopped their activities because of perhaps some political fall that may have happened should they continue? >> it happens from time to time, richard. during the 2004 campaign when ronald reagan died, there was a pause for that. sometimes, it happens for more political reasons. i think everybody remembers in 2008 when john mccain suspended his campaign because of the

collapse in the markets and barack obama famously decided not to go along with that. but you know, there's sort of no choice for the candidates at this point and nobody wants to campaign when something like this is going on. it's a pause. everybody knows it's a very brief pause and they'll be at each other's throat. it's a shame in a way it takes the tragedy like this to get people to realize we're all americans and human beings. >> and james, it is a time for a pause, to think about the nation, what we are experiencing, what is happening there in colorado. what was your take on how the two campaigns handled the issue? >> well, i think they both struck the right note here. it's just not a time for politics and really to engage in the kind of back biting end fighting political sort of struggles that we're engaged in right now. would i think sour people even more about the political process, so it's interesting that mayor bloomberg kind of

said he wants to hear more from each of the candidates around gun control, but we really do need to reflect. we need to pour out our condolences for that community, for the victims and their families, but for all moviegoers and for people that are going to be terrorized. it is a time for reflection and solidarity. >> new york mayor michael bloomberg making that statement that he wanted both campaigns to do more, say more, about the issue of gun control. an issue that was so strong, he feels so strongly about. dana, at some point, when will they restart? we just got romney's campaign numbers in june. he raised $33 million, which therefore said the political parties as well as state campaigns raised the the rest. but if they stop their campaignicampaign ing right now, what might this mean for this money raising activity? >> this is a very brief pause.

i'd be surprised if they were back at it tomorrow. that's just how the system works and i don't think anybody should be surprised by that. gun control groups were already at it today. mayor bloomberg did speak out. i don't think it was in a particularly provocative way. you know, i don't think the democrats in particular are eager to engage the gun control issue. nothing happened after the gabbie giffords shooting. it's unlikely that anything would change as a result of that here just because of the strangle hold that the nra has on the gun control debate at this moment. but politics as usual, the gun issue aside, i think you're pretty safe in assuming we'll be back at it tomorrow or at least monday. >> james, for you on this issue of gun control, do you think it's going to make its way back in? will this be part of the campaign? >> you know, sadly, i don't want to politicize this too much, but

sadly, i don't think that it will. i think we misunderstand what's at stake in terms of our gun control policy. the reason it's been lacking for so long really has to do more for -- so we don't get at the issues cht we get caught up in gun rights, second amount and can't politicize these issues because what happens is we're taking these issues in this very sin chronic way. we have this incredible tragedy happens and we're not really good enough about putting it into its proper context, so we need to keep politics out of it and think about safety and mental health issues. what are the sort of mental health issues and stigma that creates these instances, so there's a lot of complexity here. even though we're grieving now, we've got to ignore politics and move to the tough issues. thinking about mental health, public safety. >> dana, last word to you here. is it too late to bring up this

debate in the presidential campaign? >> it just doesn't seem to be the sort of issue that's driving the campaign this year and i doubt that this will change it. history shows us that these sort of events, while tragic, do not alter the trajectory of the gun control debate. they've got enough to fight about without this and they'll get back to that shortly. >> there is certainly plenty to debate. thank you so much. coming up, much more, includining new details about se of the victims in the colorado shooting. >> our suspect's name is james eagen holmes. date of birth, 12-13 of '87. this is new york state. we built the first railway,

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at this hour, federal investigators are working on finding the motive behind the shooting rampage at the denver theatre. the governor of colorado calling it act of a deranged mind. he opened fire, shooting 71 people at the midnight showing of the new bat man movie. 12 were killed, many remain in critical condition. the theatre is near buckley air force base. four u.s. members are among the cause yulties there. one us navy service member is missing and presumed dead. the others include a sailor and airmen. we're learning more about the victims, they include the daughter of a fire chief, who was shot in the leg and expected to recover there. one child is among the dead. another fatality is jessica redfield, the journalist

tweeting from the theatre in the moments before the assault. her stepmother said she believes jessica was killed in this incident. >> my daughter's goi to the movies. what if malia and sasha had been at the theatre as so many of our kids do every day. michelle and i will be fortunate enough to hug our girls a little tighter tonight. chances are, you're not made of money, so don't overpay for motorcycle insurance. geico, see how much you could save.

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us how. >> well, the shock of a movie house massacre's still fresh, but new york's tough talking mayor mike bloomberg saying the time for soothing words is already over. he's placing the onus on the two candidates running for president now. >> just going and talking in generalities doesn't give the public the information they need. this country is in very big trouble and we need to two candidates telling us how they're going to take us out of this. >> both have expressed their condolences, but it's what they say about this tragedy over the next 100 days or so that we're concerned with at the moment. so, let's bring in our panel, jonathan capehart, who joins us live from washington, also, in the nation's capitol, and here with us in new york, ari melber

of the nation. chastising the president, mitt romney, as if to try to take the shock of this incident to get him to take this more serious. both have taken this more serious with regard to gun control. will this work? >> you would hope so. mayor bloomberg is being very characteristic mayor bloomberg. blunt, to the point. he didn't just make these comments willy-nilly on his own. he was there in the radio studio for his weekly friday show. when you have something this tragic in the news and something involving guns, which mayor bloomberg is leading this effort. i can't remember xakly the name of the group, mayors against guns, it includes 600 mayors across the country who have been working hard to try and change gun laws and so what you saw there in that clip and what

you're hearing from mayor bloomberg is a frustration of many, many years of trying to get washington to do something about this and having nothing come of it. >> yeah, and he came out very early and strongly. karen, one of the reasons most people are reluctant to speak about the political implication of what has happened today of this event in aurora, colorado, is because of the fear of perhaps sounding unappropriate or crass or opportunistic. let me play this for you. >> we have been at war with the very pillars, the very foundation of this country. and when you know, what really gets me is a christian is to see the ongoing attacks on christian beliefs and then some senseless,

crazy act of -- takes place. >> and that is representative gomer. what do you make of what was said there? >> that's obviously disgusting and purely inappropriate in a moment like this. plays into a will the of other dog whistle politics we will talk about in another day. in a time like this, i actually applaud mayor bloomberg because i think on the one hand, yes, let us say our prayers for people who lost their lives and their families and loved ones, but think about what we've been through the last couple of years. we've got between shooting with gabriele giffords, the death of trayvon martin, then this horrific incident, when are we going to pay attention to the fact these crimes are happening on our streets every day and we're not paying attention to those issues and both sides could be doing such a better job. i think part of this

conversation, i hope we will get there. we may not. we may go back to the usual back and forth politics. instead of actually standing up to the likes of the nra, who jonathan mentioned, actually the group is mayors against illegal guns and has been working to get mayors to stop being a part of that group and mayors are the ones on the front lines every day of seeing gun violence. >> you bring up a very good point. let's go to ari on this. so, why is it that we feel it's uncomfortable to discuss the plitization of gun control right now? what is that part of what we think that keeps us from doing that? >> the notion of avoiding politics here has been fueled in a political context. i think it's true when you look at these kinds of tragedies, in

news, politics and government. we deal with tragedies, really bad things and this is terrible. >> all the time. >> the first thing obviously is the human element. looking at what happened. looking at safety and deal iing with it as an emergency. but after that, the next two things that happen and i think most people would agree on this if we take a step back. you think about justice. right? you want to get the bad guy. you want to have a system that meets out some sort of justice even though we'll never bring these people back. and then, most people also think about policy. when you look at hurricane katrina or 9/11 or the worst things that have happened, we looked at what did we know, what did we do as a society and government? in this area of guns, e.j. dion has a post that this is one area, because of the politics itself, because the nra has a great influence on both parties. we've been told over and over there's a rule we can't do that third thing.

that after we deal with the human and justice part, we can't deal with the broader part. i think that's a mistake because we have to have that debate, that discussion and whether you look at the assault weapons ban, which worked for ten year, then expired, or other questions about common sense gun control what mayor bloomberg is saying is what others say. when do we talk about this if we're also stopped? >> you bring up a very good point. we look to politics for solutions. solutions might be policy is what you're saying here. as we go to this, reflect on what ari just said. people are seeing these numbers. 71 injured. perhaps the largest shooting in the history of the the united states and they want a solution and an answer. tell us what you think about ari's perspective. >> i agree and part of the problem is the national rifle association. both democrats and republicans

are enthralled to that very well funded lobbying group, so if you want to know why mayors against illegal gun, thank you, karen, and other groups have been trying to do something about the sourn scourge of gun violence, if you want to know why they haven't gotten anywhere, look to the nra. they spend lots of money keeping politicians in line, both here in washington and across the country, to ensure that what they view as you know, protecting second amendment freedoms, aren't enfringed, yet there are people on city streets, in rural areas and unfortunately, in movie theatres, who are being victimized by people who are bastardizing the right to bear arms. >> karen, i want to get your reflection on ari's point and i

want to show this chart of a gallup poll that shows the reflection of what people want when it comes to policy, laws. over the last 20 years, when we look at the numbers, support for stronger gun laws has shrunk from 60 to 29. >> well, i think part of that is probably related to other issues moving to the front like the economy. as we're saying, an incident like this kind of makes us take a step back. i saw one account that suggests that the expiration of the weapons ban might have prevented this individual from having one of the the types of guns that he has. i'm sure from the policy standpoint, that will be one of the kinds of things that will be looked at in terms of the question of what could we be doing to prevent someone like this, who is so irresponsible with their guns. it's so unfortunate that our

politics has become so polarized because we should be able to have a conversation about public safety, what's in the best interest of our police officers having what they need to keep us safe and protecting second amendment rights, what we're saying is there's got to be a better balance. we've had so many instances that continue to happen that show us we need to be having this conversation because the problem isn't going away by the the fact we just ignore it. >> that part of the conversation happened right here. thank you. >> thank you. and keep it on msnbc. "hardball" will have much more on the shooting coming up at 5:00, then at 10:00 p.m., chris jansing with more reporting from aurora, colorado. we'll be right back. [ female announcer ] the power of green coffee extract is now in our new starbucks refreshers™ -- a breakthrough in natural energy. made with real fruit, starbucks refreshers™ are delicious low calorie drinks

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gunman went back out and came back in and he didn't know if it was fireworks or what it was, but my first instinct was get to the ground and he threw our daughter to the ground and i ducked and that was the first moment that you just knew something was going on because who does a prank like that? >> back now with the latest on that shooting in colorado. unfortunately, so much sound was like that coming out of aurora. we've just learned the suspected shooter, james holmes, did have orange hair when arrested this morning and according to police, the suspect did tell law enforcement officials that he was the joker and more information coming in throughout the hours today. right now, we're joined live by dr. bruce evans at university of colorado medical center.

thanks for being here. your facility treated many patients and some have been discharged, but of course, the concern now are those who did survive. >> of the 23 victims who arrived at our hospital shortly after 1:00 this morning, ten of those folks were treated and released. nine are in critical condition and four additional patient rs in fair condition. >> now, when you look at the victims, we understand that they were pushed out through several hospitals and the proximity seems to be close. about 24 minutes away from the theatre location. did that assist in being able to save more of those injured? >> yes, i think credit especially goes to the law enforcement officers on scene who immediately put victims in their cars. while ambulances were responding and to our local dispatchers who directed to bring the victims to

different hospitals. >> how have, we were discussing this a little bit earlier in the show. how have procedures changed post columbine? >> after columbine and after 9/11, we really changed the way we look at response and preparation to disasters going from a response to a preparation mode. so our hospital like our partners across the front range, regularly practice for multicasualty events, so it becomes much more a question of preparation than of reaction. >> tell me what source of injuries you saw. i was speaking with another hospital today and they were saying many of the victims had three to five gun shots. they were treated for chemical burns as well. what were you seeing? >> we were seeing gun shot wound victims. some with more than one.

some to extremities and injuries to the body as well. so a combination of different kinds of gun shot injuries. >> thank you for joini inin ini for all the good work you've done at your hospital as to all the other hospitals still working hard at this hour. >> the holmes family is very upset about all of this. it's a tragic event and has taken everyone by surprise. they are trying to work through this. down here, folks measure commitment by what's getting done. the twenty billion dollars bp committed has helped fund economic and environmental recovery. long-term, bp's made a five hundred million dollar commitment to support scientists studying the environment. and the gulf is open for business - the beaches are beautiful, the seafood is delicious. last year, many areas even reported record tourism seasons. the progress continues... but that doesn't mean our job is done.

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now, the question for theatre owners and theatregoers is the same. what now? how do you make a crowded theatre that can be dift to exit, safe again? for more, we go to aton edwards, an expert. thanks for coming to us on this friday. millions of people see movies

each and every month and in these rare situations, where we're unfortunately talking about a catastrophe at a public venue, what can people do if they are in this situation? >> one of the first things that you can do is to pay attention to the primer at the beginning of the film, they tell you where the exits are. oftentimes, people tend to ignore that. >> and to theatres? >> and the theatres can also prep their people in the theatres so they know that if the certain type of an emergency breaks out, that they have protocalls of operation for the people to respond in certain ways to specific types of emergencies. >> so, are theatre owners now in a position where they have to think about attacks like this and having to predict? >> i think they have to have a set of rules in place so they know they're going to respond in a certain way to a certain type of crisis. i don't think they have to plan for this. i would hope this wouldn't

happen frequently enough where you would have this happen in a way would be ridiculous. i believe the theatre people need to have a set standard of operational protocalls. >> this afternoon, we learned more about what holmes was wearing and that is ballistic body armor. it protected his throat, his groin, his limbs and his body. what do we know about this and could this have been worse if he decided not to surrender? >> some might remember several years ago where they had two gentlemen in los angeles who went after the police and had full body armor from head to toe. and in this kind of a situation, depending on the threat level with the body armor, yes, this person could have sustained serious hits from you know, gunfire that he would not normally be able to survive from. if he had trauma plates, he'd be able to take hits from really

high powered weapons, so it would have been a very bad situation or much worse than it was and i'm just in terrible nature of it, it's the kind of thing where i feel awful about the people who died, but i'm happy it wasn't worse than it actually was. >> thank you and we'll be right back. people have doubts about taking aspirin for pain. but they haven't experienced extra strength bayer advanced aspirin. in fact, in a recent survey, 95% of people who tried it agreed that it relieved their headache fast. visit fastreliefchallenge.com today for a special trial offer.

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for our nation. >> we woke up to news of a tragedy. >> breaking news, a mass shooting inside a suburban denver theatre. >> just after midnight mountain time, the new bat man movie begins. >> we were watching a scene in the movie, a shootout scene. >> suddenly, we heard a loud pop, pop, pop. >> dressed in black, head to toe. >> the only thing you could see was his eyes. >> he started to shoot people behind me and it was falling on my head. >> he just shot and we were all just sitting ducks. >> no specific target. >> just bullet after bullet after bullet. >> 911 calls flood the police switchboard. >> another person out, shot in the leg. >> our suspect's name is james eagen holmes. date of birth, 12-13 of '87. >> we may never understand what leads anybody to terrorize their fellow human beings like this. in such violence, suc