many events in the past is true. it's always better than being divided, and in colorado, we're surely together. and that's "hardball" for now. thanks for being with us. "the ed show" and ed schultz starts right now. good evening, americans. welcome to "the ed show." i'm michael eric dyson in for ed schultz. today, we got our first look at an alleged killer. we'll still looking for politicians who will step up to cut down the violence. this is "the ed show," and as ed would say, let's get to work. >> we haven't had the head of alcohol, tobacco, and fire arms because the president can't get anybody through congress. we don't have moneys to go and enforce the laws. the states aren't putting data into the database. >> we are one nation under the gun and some lawmakererize fighting back. illinois congresswoman jan chucowsky said we need to do more, and she's here tonight. as the governor of massachusetts, you did sign a

legislation restricting or banning assault weapons. did that work in massachusetts to your satisfaction? >> the aurora shooting creeps into presidential politics. the big panel weighs in. >> and the fallout from michele bachmann's unhinged attack against hillary clinton's top aid continues. huma abedin now requires police protection. rush limbaugh continues to pile on. >> now the democrats are in minnesota seeing if bachmann is vulnerable because of what she's done. >> good evening, i'm michael eric dyson in for ed schultz. today, the world got its first glimpse of the man accused of one of the worst mass killings in american history. with his attorney at his side, james holmes sat in silence in a colorado courtroom today. holmes with his hair dyed a reddish-orange appeared dazed at times and showed little emotion. he has been held in solitary confinement at a local detention facility. his motives for killing 12

people, injured 58 others at a colorado theater remain a mystery. prosecutors are expected to file formal charges next week. the district attorney said she would get impact from the victims before decided whether to seek the death penalty. >> the victims will be impacted for years if the death penalty is sought. >> investigatorerize now poring over evidence found in james holmes' apartment. it took police two days to safely disarm it, discovering gallons of gas and body trapped rigged to kill anyone who walked through the door. he had been stock piling weapons and thousands of piles of ammunition for months. it's all perfectly legal. there's no system to track stock piling fire power. no laws and no oversight or regulation of internet sales. holmes purchased ammo and tactical gear online. in fact, the only red flag

holmes raised was through an online application to a local gun range. the gun range's owner grew suspicious of him after trying to contact him. >> when i called him, he didn't give me -- he didn't answer. i ended up with his answering service that had a rather bizarre message on it that st t started me wondering about it. >> an attorney for holmes' family said she's concerned for their safety, but holmes' parents are standing by their son. last night, a vigil was held in aurora to remember the victims. 12 crosses were erected to haunler the dead. michael white, a survivor of friday's massacre, questioning what motivated holmes to inflict so much pain. >> why? i mean, what's going on in your life to the point you want to hurt other people?

>> the president flew to colorado yesterday to meet with the families of the dead. mr. obama said the focus should not be on holmes but on the victims. >> when you have an opportunity to visit with families who have lost their loved ones, as i described to them, i come to them not so much as president as i do as a father and as a husband. and i think that the reason stories like this have such an impact on us is because we can all understand what it would be to have somebody that we love taken from us in this fashion. i confess to them that words are always inadequate in these kinds of situations. >> the president also visited with those who survived the deadly rampage. but has no plans to pursue tighter regulation and oversight of existing gun laws. mitt romney agrees. >> i'm a firm believer in the second amendment, and i also

believe that this is with emotions so high right now, this is really not a time to be talking about the politics associated with what happened in aurora. >> in sharp contrast, new york mayor michael bloomberg is criticizing both men for their lack of leadership on this issue. >> how anybody can run for the highest office in the country where 48,000 people are going to get killed in the next four years and not have a plan. people say, well, you shouldn't address it now pause we're in a time of crisis and mourning, yeah, well 18 months since arizona, and we did nothing. if not now, when are you going to do this? >> tonight, james holmes remains in solitary confinement in the county jail. i'm joined by mike teibe who is outside the courthouse in colorado. good evening, my friend. >> good evening, professor. how are you? >> doing fine. where does the investigation stand right now? >> wellering right now, you can guess, and this is always the case in instances like this, trying to build a water tight

case in an instance where everything seems pretty obvious. no question who t identity was of the shooter, but he still is the alleged shooter. he's not even the accused suspect yet. just a suspect. he won't be formally accused until next monday. they're trying to cover all of the bases in the investigation itself. forensic examination of the two locations, the theater and the suspect's apartment, has been completed at this point. they're now trying to compile records from the university of colorado where he was a grad student before dropping out mid-june, to try to find out a couple things. did he use his status to use a campus address for the delivery and acceptance of delivery for hundreds of -- at least 50 deliveries of 150 pounds of ammunition. 6,000 rounds, you made reference to it yourself, while it's legal, while online sales of ammunition are not regulated in any verifiable way, the question is whether or not somebody along the way would have noticed, should have noticed, had an opportunity to notice something was amiss with this young man,

someone who was changing his appearance, changing his demeanor in front of people, too. one of the companion piecess is always who might have known. were there signals ahead of time? did anybody by inaction serve in some complicit way in allowing this horror to happen? >> you're raising compelling and poignant question there, my front. what about a motive. how close are investigators to establishing one? >> they may never know. jared lofter has been in jail, not able to assist in his own defense in arizona for the shooting you referred to before. he's never made a specific comment to explain why he did that horror and visit that horror on tucson and the country. it's possible, and look at his demeanor, his affect or lack there of, he may have transitions to some level of pathology close to psychosis where he is insane. he'll be judged to be competent

or noncompetent. if he is not competent, he could be forced to take psychootropic drugs, but there's no certainty that's going to happen. there's no certainty he is sane enough to do it. one defense attorney who specialized in insane defenses said you can't fake it. they will find out in these hospital settings. if he truly is insane, that's what the lawyers call an ngi. not guilty by reason of insanity. we'll know at the arraignment and that could be months from now. >> giving the swirling vortex of information sucking all of us in, have we learned anything else about him? >> well, i have a theory about it, probably not enough time in the program to talk about it, but this is a guy who in some ways may have peaked in high school. a lot of us know people or may have been someone when they were 16 years old, were academic stars, athletic stars and thought it would be that way.

you get to the neck level and it's tougher. the glory you had in high school, the feeling of being on top of the world is want going to get you there. if this gentleman who wasn't doing well in grad school, was in a five to seven year doctoral school, and had taken his preliminary evaluation could take his first year comprehensive exam, he might have been that the story went out for him. he might have known that several months ago. it was in may that he started allegedly stock piling his ammunition and bought the first of his four weapons. that might have all happened at that point. that's when he dyed his hair, when things changed, when neighbors described him as sullen and unresponsive. things changed for him. he tried to sign up for a couple dating services. he tried to join the gun club, never followed wrup it was all falling apart for him. maybe at that point, the pathology of figuring out you're not going to be what you wanted

to be, he called himself an aspiring scientist, maybe he realized it wasn't going to happen and the only way to be special, the feeling of the top of the hill in high school is to do something so horrific it would be unforgettable. that's a theory. in this program, we're allowed to talk about that, but it makes sense to me. >> thank you so much. obviously, this has been a very difficult time for the families of the victims. joining me now is jordan ghawi, his sister jessica was killed in friday's shooting in aurora, colorado. thank you so much for joining us. i'm so incredibly sorry for your incredible loss. >> hearing her story and the rest of the victims. >> you got a phone call from your mother on friday morning telling you about the shooting. tell us what was going through your head when you first heard that news. >> i immediately flipped into the mode i was trained for and remain calm and try to obtain more information and see what i could do for my mother and check on the status of my sister.

>> how are your mother and sister, by the way? >> my mother and father are devastated, as am i. this is about her right now. >> right. and i'm sorry, i meant your mother and father. so how is your family been coping with this the last few days? obviously, it's been an incredible whirlwind of information coming out, yet, you have had to cope in the midst of all that with your grief. how are they doing? >> we're coping by sharing her story and celebrating her life. they're surrounded by family and friends as am i right here. as long as we're talking about my sister and the other victims, we can remember them. >> sure, you met with president obama yesterday. did he have anything inspiring or hopeful to tell you? what did he tell you? >> he came in knowing about my sister as he did with the other victims and he sat down with us as a group and as individuals and we made sure that he knew more about each and every one of the victims when he left. >> sure. do you think that there should

be a push for tighter gun laws given the horror that you just endured and how it has impacted you personally, do you feel compelled to push for tighter gun laws? >> here's the thing, we can try to politicize this and make a polarizing debate and make this a tenant of the election, but that's not what we're here to do. we're here to celebrate the lives of the victims who were lost. if someone wants to do harm to somebody, they're going to find a way to do it, whether it be with a weapon such as a rifle or other means. we should start to think about why people are doing this. the reason they're doing this is because they want their names out there. you look at brevin, he killed 77 people in oslo to get his manifesto out there. he wanted those pages read by the world. what we're doing now by talking about the shooter is providing them with a platform they're using to get their names and stories out there. >> why deent don't we talk about the platform you have to get your sister's story out there. >> it's not just my sister. it's the other families.

you look inside of this and amidst casa, you had heroes, john, alex, and matt who died to protect the ones they loved. these people had dreams, these people had promise, so much more to live for and they were cut short. now it's about getting their stories out there. my sister's story has been told. i want the rest of the victims to come out and tell their stories to you and the rest of the world and get this coward's name and image off the national media circuit. >> a humanistic impulse in the midst of incredible grief and agony. thank you for joining us here tonight. >> thank you. >> coming up on "the ed show," congress woman jan chucowsky sees the value in gun control legislation, but she's almost totally alone? why? she joins me next. ♪

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coming up, the president's press secretary said there won't be a press for new gun control laws in the wake of the tragedy in colorado. jan schakowsky joins me with

reaction next. a republican speaks out against michele bachmann's witch hunt. we'll have the details. and later, remembering the 12 victims of friday's shooting in colorado. hear their stories from their family and friends. share your thauths thoughts with us on facebook and twitter using the hash tag ed show. we'll be right back.

welcome back to "the ed show." the aurora shooting will not bring about any new discussion from president obama about gun control. of course, the president did the right thing by going to aurora yesterday and meeting with families of the lost and

surviv survivors. but his press secretary said there would be no new push on gun control. quote, the president believes we ned to take steps that protect the second amendment rights of the people but ashire that we're not allowing weapons into the hands of individuals who should not be existing law obtain those weapons. the president's view is we can take steps to keep guns out of the hands of people who should not have them under existing law. that's his focus right now. when asks about an assault weapons ban, he said, as you know, there's been opposition to that since it expired within congress, so the president is focused on doing the things we can do that protect second amendment rights, which he thinks is important, but also to make it harder for individuals who should not under existing law have weapons to obtain them. and just a little fyi, the aurora mass shooting is not an anomaly in america. here's a map showing 36 mass murders across america in the past 30 years.

combiled by mother jones. and in each case, the shootings happens in a single incident in a public place and they took the lives of four people. let's bringschakowsky. are you disappointed that president obama won't get behind some form of gun control? >> i think the president is correct in thinking that it's unlikely, impossible, i would say right now, for any kind of substantial legislation to pass the house of representatives and probably the senate as well. but i think it is time to have that conversation. look, the national rifle association and others say, well, it's not time to be political. but it's they, the national rifle association and their kin that are making a public safety issue a political issue. they don't want to see any kind of legislation that would not

only keep guns out of the hands of crazy individuals, but why does any individual need an automatic weapon? why do they need to buy 6,000 bullets? why do they need to have a high capacity magazine, the ability to shoot off 100 bullets in just a few seconds and kill so many people? i think that most americans, even those, i imagine, that are part of the national rifle association, think that there are some limits that are reasonable and still protect second amendment rights. >> sure. you know what strikes me here, of course, is that when you hear the epithets being hurled on either side about politization of the issue, we know if that kind of amassing and stock piling of that kind of potential to hurt people through that, you know, through though bullets and guns and gases and the bombs and the like, if this had been stock

piled by a person who was more likely to look reasonably offensive, a muslim, another minority, do you think the red flag would have gone up sooner than with this seemingly innocent jung white man who under cover and protection of appearing normal was out to do some heinous deeds? >> you know, maybe, although given the lack of regulation of purchasing ammunition on the internet, given the lax gun laws and so many places, i'm not so sure that we could have stopped anybody, particularly one with this kind of intention. >> but do you think the fed ex man would have noticed if he's taking something to an address constantly and they're seeing a pattern is being established. no red flag at all there? >> it could be. you know, 1 of the gun ranges actually turned him down because there was this odd message that was on his machine. there may be signals, and you're

right, it may be if he had a different profile or looked different, that he might have been discovered, but the point is -- the point i think for the country is how many instances like this is it going to take before we say enough is enough? you know, one of my colleagues nearly dying, but several people dying in the meantime near her including a 9-year-old child, a 6-year-old on friday. at what point are we going to say, let's take a look at the proliferation of guns. do we really want to be afraid to go to the movies? in chicago, people are afraid to walk certain streets. it's time for us to look carefully and have a rational conversation. the nra won't tolerate such a conversation. >> why is it even in your own party, your pleas for some kind of rational process falls on deaf ears even in, you know, in those in your own party? >> it's very clear that the national rifle association is a

very powerful political force. when they say that they're going to score a member of congress, that is rate him according to his votes, the most ridiculous pieces of legislation pass automatically. there was an amendment passed in the house with over 300 votes that is in the case of bankruptcy, individuals may keep $3,000 worth of guns protected from any creditor. really, guns become the priority of the national rifle association. and they scare the bejesus out of members of congress and threaten them with primary elections and with defeating them with ads, they have spent over $7 million on elections in the last cycle. and they're prepared to do it again. i think most americans, if you ask the question, aren't there some reasonable gun safety legislation that you would support? i think they would say yes. >> right. well, the accuracy of your account there is more chilling

than most horror movies. congresswomanschakowsky, thank you for joining us. thank you. >> up next, the secret support for gun control. find out what the vast majority of americans really think and why the nra is not going to like it. senator john mccain shows some leadership against michele bachmann's ridiculous witch hunt, and other republicans step up to the plate to do the right thing. why can't this happen more often? stay with us. [ male announcer ] let's say you need to take care of legal matters. wouldn't it be nice if there was an easier, less-expensive option than using a traditional lawyer?

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welcome back. do you think americans want toughegun control laws or not? the real answer might surprise you. the latest pugh research poll shows most americans value gun rights over restrictions. it's not a wide margin. 49% say it's more important to protect the right to own a gun. but that hasn't always been the case. support for stricter gun laws actually spiked right after the columbine shootings in 1999. posters call it the columbine bump. after the long haul, that support for stricter gun laws looks like it's dropped or has it. it depends on the question you ask. had they ask about specific gun restrictions, this is what they get instead. 86% of americans want background checks. 63% want a ban on high capacity clips in magazines. 69% want to limit the number of guns you can buy at a time. 66% want a national gun registry, and a whopping 88% think people on the terror watch

list should not be able to buy a gun. it turns out most americans support common sense restrictions on guns, but it's unlikely any of those common sense measures will be passed any time soon. i'm joined by ari melber, kelly goff, and republican strategist ron christie. ari, let me go to you first. why isn't knan offering common sense restrictions in the wake of colorado. we wring our hands time and time again, but nothing moves the needle in terms of legislation. >> i think that's the question. and it's partly because we have a systemic problem in the way we deal with these tragedies. i would propose like a different set of ground rules. i would say you have the right to treat this as a period of mourning, absent any policy reform, and you have the right to respond to this tragedy by looking at what we can do as a country to change the underlying policies. the nra has a right to get up

and talk about how they don't think basically any rules should be added to the way we regulate guns and they do not have a right, this is important, they do not have a right to try to shut the rest of us up when we look at this tragedy, which echoes so many other tragedies and try to figure out ways that we can regulate in this area. and the last thing i'll say on that is i grew up in a house whe with a gun. a lot of americans have. the question here isn't obvio obviously whether there should be guns anywhere for hunting and self defense. the question president clinton answered by signing the assault weapons ban, but is whether we think weapons that are designed for mass murder have a place on the streets. i think the answer is no. i think the nra has a strangle hold over both parties on the issue. >> ms. goff, let me ask you this. mitt romney said we don't need stricter gun legislation. when he was governor of massachusetts, he signed an assault weapons ban into law. when you go hunting, you don't

need an ak-47. here is how he explains the contradiction. >> as the governor of massachusetts, you did sign legislation restricting or banning assault weapons. did that work in massachusetts to your satisfaction? >> well, actually, the law that we signed in massachusetts was a combination of efforts both on the part of those that were for additional gun rights and those who opposed gun rights, and they came together and made some changes that provided, i think, a better environment for both. and that's why both sides came to celebrate the signing of the bill. >> ms. goff, your response. >> i'm confused. is this a segment where i'm supposed to pretend that i'm surprised mitt romney was flip-flopping on the issue. he was for it before he was against it, just like abortion, just like universal health care. it adds to the list of things he doesn't seem to have a committed position on.

what else is new? to answer the initial question about whether or not we're going to get traction on this and why we can't seem to get traction on an issue that most americans do support gun control. why don't our legislators. the answer is simple, we have four branches of government, not three, the executive, judicial, legislative, and nra. that seems to be the fourth branch of government running things in the country. neither party including president obama seems to have the courage to go toe to toe with them. it's disappointing and every american should not only feel shame that we have members of congress who can't get an assault weapons ban passed but we should feel enraged our tax dollars are paying their salary. >> ron, in light of all this, do you think it makes sense even for those who support the second amendment strongly, many who are conservative and many more who are members of the nra, does it make sense to say this is a koppen sense approach. we support the second amendment, but there have to be limited imposed. do you think there's some limit here and that incidents like

this spark outrage and the want to do something. >> i'm deeply upset by what happened in eroara. i'm deepy upset that we haven't had the burials for the victims. we haven't had to time to reflect on those who were injured and those who lost a loved one and we're already talking about the nra as if the nra had anything to do with this. >> they did. >> they had nothing to do with this. kelly, i didn't interrupt you. >> i'm sorry. i just disagree with you on this. >> this is a deranged individual. an individual who acted with premeditation to take the lives of innocent people. let's grieve, let's have the process that we have the time to reflect. in 2011, president obama and members of congress didn't press for an assault weapons ban or gun control after gabby giffords' tragic shooting. you didn't see that in 2004 when the expiration of the assault

weapons ban took place. >> that's why this happened. >> we didn't have any bush pack, isn't that the point? >> you have harry reid who is now the senate majority leader who didn't favor extending the assault weapons ban. you had dianne feinstein saying this is not the time for discussing this issue. i'm not saying it's bipartisan complicity. it's less than three days after the tragic shooting. let's reflect, honor the memory of the people who were lost. >> let me let brother melber jump in. >> i think, ron is expressing something heartfelt and has every right to. that's what i was getting at. he has the right to focus on mourning. if he thinks that's what is appropriate, but other people have the right to look at the tragedy and try to think of solutions. and to the second point, you're correct. you and i both know and many people should know to the extent anyone cares about gun control, whether it's the assault weapons

ban or regulating sales of ammunition on the internet and other things that are fairly common sense, that do help the police, i think, in these issues, those things have been stymied by the leadership in both parties. i think that's a huge problem. anyone who is watching this and thinks it's romney versus obama would be missing not only the tone but the facts. the democratic party has stood by and let the assault weapons ban expire and has not moved on this issue, but i am not going to apologize to anyone for raising this as a policy matter in a time where the country does look here and wants to figure out how these weapons are so available. that is one appropriate, not the only, but one appropriate response when we see these tragedies. >> ms. goff, let me throw this in enterms of the facts. investigators say holmes legally brought the four guns, the tear gas, the body armor, and thousands of rounds of ammunition. should these purchases be legal? the fact they're legal has opened the door to the extensive carnage that we have seen here. >> no, and other poll shows the

majority of americans do support having a limit on the amount of ammunition and fire arms that someone can buy in any given sitting. what i want to say is ron, apologies for interrupting you. i'm going to get in trouble from mom at home. i feel passionate about the issue. one of the things i'm frustrated about is people on both sides of the aisle, this is not a democrat or republican aisle, are counting on you to say what you said, this is not the right time to talk about it. and they're counting on the fact we keep waiting and waiting and waiting, and then the public who cares about the issue, is engaged in the issue, will forget about thei issuissue, ann it goes away until 18 months later when a shooting happens again and the cycle starts happening again. when are we allowed to talk about it if not now? >> we'll talk about it after the break. ari melber, kelly goff, and ron christie stay with us. there's a lot more coming up in the next half hour on "the ed show." stay tuned. >> there's influence from the

muslim brotherhood in the highest levels of the federal government. >> grover norquist calls the republican attack on hillary clinton's top aid, quote, completely indefensible. the muslim brotherhooded they can't even effect the egyption leadership. >> and the man behind the colorado massacre has stolen enough headlines. later, we'll pay homage to the victims with the words from their families. people with a machine. what ? customers didn't like it. so why do banks do it ? hello ? hello ?! if your bank doesn't let you talk to a real person 24/7, you need an ally. hello ? ally bank. no nonsense. just people sense.

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suggesting she has tied to islamic extremists. but last week's leadership by john mccain changed the picture. he denounced the claims against abedin and then others republicans called out bachmann as well. it comes from jim sensor brenner who defended abedin at a town hall meeting. >> i do know huma abedin, and i think that the comments that were made about her in that letter, whether or not they were taken out of context, were the wrong thing to do. >> but when the constituents pushed back, so did congressman sensenbrenner. >> i think there's a political ideology that's a concern in islam that is concerning in that should be looked at and that people should -- we should know that this person is not -- >> the first amendment prohibits the government from making a

distinction between what is good religion and what is bad religion. that's none of the government's business. i just quoted two sections of the constitution, ma'am. you know, one in the original constitution that says no religious tifts so the fact that huma abedin is a muslim, whether or not she practices it, is none of the government's business or for that matter, any of the rest of our's business. >> to coin a phrase, that's what i'm talking about. i'm joined again by ari, kelly, and ron. still more republicans taking the truly principle stand in the face of the outrageous attack on huma abedin. does all this put a stop to the witch hunt by congresswoman michele bachmann, ari? >> i think it stops it in its tracks. we talk on this show and a lot of people about some of the really rough sides of the right wing. and i think this is an important

time for us to go on record and really say, although it is, to me, it is quite obvious you should hold these positions and they're old and in the constitution, it's also to time to say good for mr mr. sensenbrenner, good for john boehner and john mccain who led this charge. this is something that comes up at different times in american history. the mccarthy hearings in large part related to a long list that was never actually released but a long list that was used to smear and out out innuendos about communists at the state department. instead of communists, it's supposed muslims or practicing muslims, or as sensor brenner said it so well, none of our business. i hthink they hit the nail on te head. it will stop some of this. that's important because we can't put it aside and say wetient be talking about it. once a member of congress lodges these serious allegations based on smears, based on bigotry or raci racism, it has to be stopped.

>> mccarthyism 2.0 to be sure. grover norquist's wife is a muslim. he responded to the algalgzs saying it's completely indefensible, there's nothing else to say. does it help when people have a personal experience with prejudice or have themselves been on the receiving end of a witch hunt? we know this as people of color or minorities who struggle against the main stream lack of a kind of person story and narrative, does this help? >> absolutely. look, there have been stories about for instance, elected officials even here in the state of new york who switched their vote on gay marriage because they had gay neighbors and their kids were being raised in a house of love. and we saw this on people who had one position on interrational couples until they had a half-white, half-black grand kid. it's really refreshing for once to see our politics united against hate for a change as opposed to united in hate. and i center to say, usually

congresswoman bachmann is on my list with alan keyes and other for being some of the most entertaining individuals, and she's crossed it line from eccentric wacky aunt to someone her own campaign manager said crossed over into evil territory. she's rapidly losing her entertainment value. >> dr. evil would have a whack hat to hit her with. why don't we see more leadership moments like this on issues like gun control or taxes or therepu dare to speak out against lock step positions in their own party, like grover norgist insisting people sign a pledge not to raise taxes? >> you have seen a remarkable amount of republican leadership on the issue of taxes and budget reform. the republics have passed a budget. the senate refuses to negotiate on that issue. let me go back to michele bachmann. this is very, very important and it pains me to have this

conversation with you. i'm a big fan of hers. but i think that as -- >> perhaps an apology tonight? >> as a member of the house intelligence committee and as someone who is a lawyer, if she has the facts, she's got to put them out there. you can't have a senior member of congress come out with these sorts of allegations against a private citizen and then now find that person in the situation where they have death threats lodged against them. you have a great responsibility and a great amount of power, and i think grover norquist was right. her comments were indefensible, they were wrong. if she doesn't have the proof and she can't say here are the de connections, it's irresponsible to say what she said. >> even the muslim brotherhood responded saying the muslim brotherhood can't even penetrate the egyptian government, in reference to how hard it has been for newly elected presidents to take power. one representative said i haven'trumors, but they strike me as ridiculous.

surely they select their employees very carefully. i mean, what do you make of that here? here is the muslim brotherhood saying we can't even get on in the home team, what are we going to do with foreign agents of our particular ideology in politics? >> it's funny because on the one hand, you see that they're actually using the question, what a lot of politicians do to get to their own issue, the concern that the egyptian military has retained more of the key legislative powers in egypt. that's more of what they care about than our own scuffles. the other part is the serious part, which is again to mr. christy's point, that congresswoman bachmann's statements here while wrong for all of the reasons we have covered on the domestic front and out of order period, also have the unintended consequence of muddying up discussions we may or may not be having with other political parties and governments around the world. again, not the role you want to play as a member of congress.

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leaders think america is in decline. romney said, and this idea of america being in decline, it was interesting, carr said that, he led the talk of america being in decline. romney said business won't invest in america because of this decline. but here's the problem. carr never said america is in decline. he had to release a statement saying his interpretation is not correct. president obama had this response. >> so if anyone tries to tell you that our greatness has passed. that america is in decline, you tell them this. just like the 20th century, the 21st century is going to be another great american century. for we are americans, blessed with the greatest form of government ever devised by man. a democracy dedicated to freedom and committed to the ideals that still light the world.

we will never apologize for our way of life, we will never waver in its defense. we are a nation that freed millions and turned adver saries into allies. we're the americans who defended the peace and turned back aggression. we're americans who welcome our global responsibilities and our global leadership. the united states has been and will remain the one indispensable nation in world affairs. >> all this madness about where obama stands, and is he really american and truly a defender of the nation? that's a president speaking in defense of his country. >> coming up, we're going to remember the 12 lives lost in friday's shooting. stay tuned. > coming up, we're g remember the 12 lives lost in friday's shooting. stay tuned. those surprising little things she does

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and she was boisterous. she was well loved. >> i want people to remember that heart and remember the good thi things she has done, her heart, and what she could have done in the future. >> 27-year-old matt mcquinn of butler township, was one of those killed yesterday. he moved to colorado this past november with his girlfriend, samantha. >> they were just -- they're just really devoted to each other and very much in love. they had a very, very sparkle of love in their eyes when they looked at each other. >> micayla medek attended aurora community college. >> she loved the batman movies, the adventure. this was a thing she was looking forward to going to. >> my great niece was the 6-year-old killed in the accident, in the shooting. veronica. just a vibrant 6-year-old, excited, just learned how to swim, and you know, just a great little girl. excited about life. we should be at 6 years old.

>> friday was alex sullivan's 27th birthday. survived by his parents, wife, and a sister, his family said alex was smart, funny, and above all, loved by his family. >> she whe was a wonderful neph wonderful person. loving, caring, intelligent. the world were filled with people like him, he would have no problems. he put everybody ahead of himself. >> staff sergeant jesse childress, an air force reservist. 29 years old. a cyberspecialist who loved sports, the kind of guy who would help anyone. petty officer third class john larimer. 27 years old. who like his father and grandfather before him joined the navy and who is remembered as an outstanding shipmate. rebecca wingo, 32 years old. a veteran of the air force, fluent in chinese, who served as a