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due to mature subject matter, viewer discretion is advised. america's prisons, dangerous, often deadly. there are 2 million people doing time. every day is a battle to survive and to maintain order. >> down on your feet! down! >> located in the deep south, holman correctional facility, where most are serving life sentences. we spent months documenting life on the inside, where the prisoners have nothing but time and nothing to lose. this is "lockup: holman extended stay."
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prison is a lonely place for any inmate. relationships on the outside are strained. >> she wants to call it off then tell me. let me know something. >> and the ones that blossom within the prison walls are often dangerous. i cannot stop them from coming after you and that you know someone will make a play for you. >> or they can be a one-sided obsession. leading to nothing but trouble. >> i don't know what you have in your head. let it go. the holman correctional facility is home to close to 1,000
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inmates. all of whom are categorized by their behavior. the best behaved are housed in the coveted honor dorm but inmates who behave badly are sent to the administrative segregation unit. >> segregation is an area where we have roughly 200 inmates. and all these inmates are individually celled and they're all here because they broke a rule, infraction here in prison. >> human contact in segregation is extremely limited. and interaction with others is at a minimum. this deprivation can take its toll both physically and mentally. >> you have a lot of inmates back there that have been in single cell for a long time. and they, of course, build up hostilities. it is a highly explosive area. [ bleep ] [ bleep ].
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>> another typical day. that's part of it. >> these officers work here and on a daily basis they deal with these inmates, and you build up a relationship with these inmates. some are good. some are not so good. >> people thought i wouldn't make it three days. i had a point to make. they said i wouldn't make sergeant and if i did, i wouldn't make a successful sergeant. so i like to say i made another point and i'm proving it. everything about it is a challenge. it's not a normal job where you learn something and you do it. nothing is ever the same.
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i mean, you make a decision today for unincident. tomorrow, maybe the same incident but you have to make a different decision. >> working in ad seg, she has to deal with many different inmates. >> when i deal with jamie bell, i deal with his issue only. bobby gilbert, i don't have any problems with. i just know the problems that other people have. >> [ inaudible ]. >> i would say terence moseley. >> come look. come look. >> ain't nothing to see. >> he says he's infatuated with
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me. he is obsessed with me. he will do anything for me. >> you get in trouble all weekend? >> and he likes to masturbate at the same time. all the time. >> didn't you show yourself this weekend? assault an officer? they ain't going to let you stand there and expose yourself. >> i exposed myself. >> don't expose at all. either way, it's wrong. why do you keep doing that? no, they ain't. >> keep closing that. >> a man doesn't want to see another man. that's like the worst form of disrespect if you ask me. >> you ain't got nothing to see. >> [ bleep ] ain't scared of nobody. >> now with females, if it's a female that excite me sexually, you know what i'm saying, i tend to expose myself to them if i
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like them. >> she said i was masturbating. >> a lot of people around here, they ain't against homosexual activity, right? and they just cool, right? to a lot of people. i ain't going to parts participate in it. i'm going to continue to masturbate. it's just a thing i got for women, you know what i'm saying? okay. i got to go through all this just because i like women. i got to go through it. >> coming up next on lockup extended stay. a soured relationship lands this inmate in prison. >> my ex-husband, my deceased husband, he was standing there. just stab me. >> and later, terrance mosley reaches his end. ve given way to. where sleepless nights yield to restful sleep. and lunesta can help you get there,
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. >> open up k-14. >> inmates at the holman correctional facility who are found violating the rule are brought into a disciplinary hearing to determine their punishment. >> possession of contraband. circumstances violations are as follows. you did have in your possession, one red and one white and one lipstick. how do you wish to plead, guilty or not guilty? >> i can't plead guilty. >> sign that right now. >> you know you're released from segregation is pending this review board, right? >> yes, sir. >> take him and put him back in his cell.
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i'll recommend 30 days loss privileges. >> what was the big infraction? lipstick? >> the dice, the thing with the dice is, they go down there and they get to gambling and then they will lose something that they don't have to give back. the lipstick come to the homosexual activity that goes on within the facility. we try to keep that down to as little as we can keep it down to. >> why? >> it causes them to want to fight over the homosexuals. most of the time when you have an incident, it will be something to do with fighting over cards, dice, and then they'll fight over a homosexual relationship. >> i am a complex about being called gay or homosexual. i know that i was born a male. i know that. that i do know. but i live as a woman. i see myself as a woman. i like to be respected and dressed as a woman.
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my ex-husband, my deceased had you had, he was very overprotective. he just insisted on beating me, beating me, beating me. i manipulate to get away from him. ran into the kitchen. you know, they had this, the biggest handle that i set. i grabbed it. and i ran outside. he was standing there. i just stabbed him. he fell. i stabbed him again. they grabbed me. and i was covered in blood. they called the police. i still had the knife in my hand.
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they came, retrieved the knife. handcuffed me. i've been locked up ever since. >> once locked up, marcus was quick to develop prison romances and is currently on her third prison marriage. >> i see him as a man, a straight man. that's how i see it. he is a man. he's my husband. he opened his heart to me, i opened my heart to him. and we vowed to be best friends for life. >> marcus' husband is new to prison relationships and has asked that his identity not be revealed. >> i have a son that's 8 years
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old that i feel like wouldn't understand a situation right now. that's the only reason that my identity is hidden. i never thought in a million years i would be in a relationship like this. in prison, it seems like she's the woman. i'm the man. and it's a relationship. she is gay. and that's it. now i'm gay, she gay, i ain't never, i still haven't been -- i still haven't been able to accept that. >> i'm his first. i'm his first prison wife. and i can understand why he is a little shaky about it, you know what i'm saying? >> marcus is in ad seg for getting into a fight with another inmate. while she's there, she's not allowed to community with her husband. >> the hardest thing about being in lockup is not being able to
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sit, talk to him. he is just, he is my everything. he is my everything. >> i would let her know that i love her, miss her. waiting on her. >> in order to get out of ad seg, marcus must be put on a release list. one of the people who can put her on this list is deputy patterson. >> just let me out of this lockup to be with my best friend. we could possibly consider you for daily population.
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do you have an enemy situation? >> no, sir. you don't i don't have an enemy situation. >> let me see your hands. how about the nails? >> i'm so glad when they let me out of this lockup. i'm going to give him the best life he can imagine. >> coming up -- marcus pleads with the warden to be let out of ad seg. >> please, i learned my lesson. >> i ain't convinced right now though.
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no mas pantalones! inmates have only one hour
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of rec time a day which means few opportunities to communicate with one another. so they invent ingenious ways to have conversations with their friends. allen clark has recently been transferred to holman and hasn't formed any friendships with the inmates there but he does have a relationship with someone on the outside. >> 15 years i didn't have anybody to come see me or write me or anything like this. and then came [ bleep ]. she is, she is a darling, you know? she is the love of my life. i miss her something terrible. you just wouldn't believe, you know? i really miss her. last year, in september, i
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became real sick and i had been sick all that day. when i got to the infirmary, they took my blood pressure and found that it was real, real low. and they rush me to the emergency room. but i met a nurse there. and when she walked into the room and we made eye contact, i knew, you know, that she was going to be my girl, you know. when we started seeing each other, i said, i've got life without parole. i may not ever get out. and she will me, she said, you let me worry about that. finally, you know, one day on the visiting yard there when she come to see me, i got down on my knee and i asked her, will you marry me? and she says yes. so i said, okay then. i'll put in a request for marriage. and so i did.
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and as it stands right now, at last down, the chaplain said that i was ninth in line. >> until his wedding day, allen must rely on letters to communicate with his fiance. before he opens his mail, it must undergo a meticulous screening process. >> good morning, holman mail room. >> if it doesn't have dorm numbers, i got s numbers, they can't have it. if it doesn't have a name on the return address, they can't have it. if it doesn't have a return address at all, they can't have it. they're not allowed to have any kind of nude pictures, pictures that are sexually explicit. that's not allowed. when i was going through the mail, i was looking at the envelope and i noticed it was like a big sticker. so well, i've never seen one of those. that looks kind of weird. i took the letter opener and peeled it up. when i did -- nude picture.
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i was like, okay. well, that's rejected. at first i was like, okay, the nudity pictures. now really don't bother me. i'm used to it. it is like a normal routine. i go through it, look at it. okay, reject it. we did have one woman for three weeks in a row, she purposely hid her nude pictures behind cards. she would like open them up on the inside and try to glue them back down. she would paste them behind other pictures of like her children. that's a great one. i love that one. so she kept doing that. i mean, it was every day i was opening them. i took it to the warden and he banned her from corresponding for 90 days with him. and she has to write for permission to start writing him again and he also took away her visitation rights with him. when it goes to that extreme measure, that's when they pretty
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much learn, hey, i can't do this. i can't get it by. so they leave it alone and they don't do it anymore. >> we are in the room waiting on your arrival. >> meanwhile, marcus thomas has been writing warden couple ifr and he has granted her a meeting. she hopes to be released to general population and reunited with her husband. >> what's going on with your man? >> he is maintaining. it is hard for him. he want me out there with him so bad. just as bad as i need to be out there with him. we've been writing each other back and forth but i mean, really, we just haven't had enough communication with each other. so i really don't know. i'm not there with him. i don't know. >> marcus, what's up with you?
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>> they want to do an interview with me. >> you don't want to be interviewed? >> the questions they ask you. >> 50 seen [ bleep ]? >> that caused you to cry? [ crying ] >> because they asked you if you seen [ bleep ]? >> marcus, marcus, marcus. you aren't going to win an academy award. stop that crying. i don't want to hear you crying. i'm just going back. i'm not even going to talk to you about this. they want me to talk to you about being released. >> i'm sorry, i'm sorry. i'm sorry. >> last time you was in public, how long did you stay?
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about three or four months. both of them times you were in population, you were with one individual. yes or no. even though you call yourself being one individual, do you not have people that are coming after you all of the time? yes or no? just yes or no. >> well, yes. >> whether you say it, your problems or not, i cannot stop these guys from coming after you. and you know that regardless, somebody is going to make a play for you. so why should i turn you out in pop? tell me why. >> just give me a chance. >> i don't want you to beg me. >> i'm not begging. i'm asking. >> give me one good reason i should turn you out. >> i made a change. i'm not coming back to lockup. i promise you. i'm not coming back. please. just let me show you. >> i'll think about it. i ain't convinced right now though. and the reason i'm not convinced
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is in the past, your past tells me if you're in general population, you got about 60 or 90 days in general population and there will be problems. that's what history tells me. >> i bet you you're wrong this time. i bet you're wrong. >> it's just unfair. unfair. >> coming up, terrance mosley gets written up but this time not for indecent exposure. and allen clark's fiance may be getting cold feet. >> i had asked her if she was going to get married, if i could hear how the conversation went. ñ
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side. freddy kruger, medusa, stuff like that. >> that's scar face, .245s and a shoulder holster. and then that says i came, i saw, i conquered. i want to go get the rest of my chest covered and have a whole shirt. and whenever i get out, i'll work on the rest of it. >> after six weeks of shooting at holman correctional facility, our crew went to check up on terrance mosley. an inmate that has repeatedly exposed himself to officers. we weren't prepared for what happened next. >> you want to say something -- >> [ yelling ] [ bleep ] get the [ bleep ] out of my cell. >> the reap he did this is
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because on a particular day, sergeant banks and myself, we were walking and he was masturbating and i had to use force on him with my baton. i hit his arm. i like near broke his arm. he told me then he was going to get me. so on this particular day, we was feeding inmate terrance mosley and he threw a tray in my face. i guess today he got me. >> what started as an obsession with sergeant banks has now escalated into a grudge match between terrance mosley and officer montgomery. >> i don't know what to do with terrance mosley. he's been a problem with all the shift. i don't know what the solution is with that individual. if we can find a way to get him complying with the rules and quit being such a troublemaker. disciplinary doesn't seem to be having an effect.
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that's the only two we really got. we're past the day we can whip him. >> hope eventually he'll come around and do different. i really don't see hope for it. >> while officers hope to change his behavior for the best, another inmate's future may have taken a change for the worse. >> allen clarkson, lockup. he's an inmate we'll go see. he didn't know whether his fiance would marry him or not. he was under the impression that they were okay. but apparently she hadn't returned any letters when he had written her. so apparently, there was something wrong. he had me call her. to find out if they were still going to get married. >> allen, have you got a second?
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do you know what this is about? have you had an opportunity to talk to [ bleep ]? >> no, i haven't. i haven't even heard from her. >> remember you told me to give her a call concerning you guys getting married and all that. well, i had called her. and when talking to her, she sounded pretty upset. and i had asked her if she was going to get married. she said, married? and i said yeah. allen has been wanting to get married for a while, i understand it. i still want to see if you guys might get married. and she said, in emphatic terms, absolutely not. so i don't know how all that sits. >> apparently she's upset. did you know she did not want to get married? >> yes. she's the one that asked me. you know what i'm saying? she told me to go ahead and put in the application for the marriage. and that's the reason why i company to you and ask you about
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going about getting married. >> what do you think changed her mine? >> i have no idea. >> noticeably upset. yeah. yeah. probably need to straighten that up. whatever miscommunication might be taking place. >> yeah. definitely. bye. >> see you later. >> apparently she's mad at me for some reason. i don't know. i don't know why she's mad at me. this is news to me. you know? i mean, she is the one that asked me to get the ball rolling on getting the marriage going, you know? and i don't know what's happening. >> coming up, terrance mosley's problems forces the warden to take matters into his own hands. >> we came to an agreement that you would keep your nose clean. then i cut you loose. but you couldn't do that.
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for marcus thomas, another meal in administrative segregation is another meal without her husband. all day every day, my reasons
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concern, it seem like something has changed. i can't say, i really don't know. >> it is as stressful for him as it is for me. sometime i just wish that it could be me with the one that i love. just me and him away. away from all of this nonsense, you know? i'm just praying that he remains strong until i get there. >> while marcus thomas struggles with life in ad seg, her husband is struggling with whether this will succeed as a long term relationship. >> i'm having a lot of mixed feelings. five or six months from now, who knows? we may be in different prisons. and marriages -- she will always have to have a man. to support her, you know what i'm saying, and that messes with me mentally. if we separate, she'll be with
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another man. we've been in a relationship two years come march. i really can't say. like i said, any time we can be going separate ways. >> allen clark is being moved to another cell in ad seg. it has been nearly two weeks since the chaplain told him that his fiance seems to have moved on. >> any communication from her? >> not as yet. i wrote her two letters. i asked her in the letter, you know, if she would write me and let me know what is really going on, you know. if she wants to call it off, then you know, that's fine, you know. but tell me, you know. don't, you know, let me know something. i don't really know what's going
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on. >> maintaining relationships can be difficult but just getting into them can prove to be dangerous. inmate marian depp has been sent to the hospital for hitting on the wrong man. >> i had it in my mine, i was never going back to the street no more so i might as well get me a friend. then i started messing with homosexuals and things. they were taking the place of a female. >> marion's attempts at making contacts with prospective partners hasn't always gone according to plan. >> i heard that he would offer homosexual activity so i wanted to talk to him about that. you know what i'm saying? the man took one blow and knocked me out. and then an incident down there
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in one cell, i got stabbed up down there. oh, yeah. another inmate hit me in the head with a lock. when the fellow hit me in the head with the lock, i got stabbed in the one cell, the good lord woke me up and told me. hey, don't you think that's enough? give the lord just one minute. just give him one second of your time, you'll know what you might be missing. give the lord some time. so i started going to church and i started getting off that and doing bible studying, stuff like that. i kind of started liking it. >> with marion becoming more and more involved in the church, he decided it was time to make a real commitment to the lord and get baptized.
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>> while marion dent has found the right path for him -- >> k-51. >> others have problems finding direction. warden culver scheduled a meeting with terrance mosley to confront him on his most recent incident. >> what's your problem? >> got to get your attention one way or the other. i can't do anything with the thought process. i can't -- >> locked up. if you had been locked up, the thing was just came down. did your time. figure all that out. you've seen it happen before. that's how we came to the agreement. if you keep your nose clean,
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then i cut you loose. but you couldn't do that. >> i see it. >> okay. it's a consequence for slipping. >> i know the consequence of slipping. i'm taking responsibility for what i did. >> and i'm taking responsibility for what you did, too. and this is what you have to do though, terrance. before we can talk about the deal that we had before you slipped, you got to do these 14 days. and you still know you're going to get disciplinary and all that other stuff for that. >> i ain't trying to manipulate the system. i'm being straight up. if i do the 14 days, this is the only thing i'm asking for right now. if i do 14 days, may i get a phone call with my mother, man? you can call her, you talk to her then i talk to her. >> deal. >> all right. anything else? >> yeah. i would like to apologize to
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her. about yesterday. >> all right. do it. >> apologize for my behavior yesterday. >> just have to wait and see. sometime it works. sometimes it don't. >> coming up, desperate to get out of ad seg, marcus thomas becomes bold. >> why is it so hard on me because i'm a homosexual? the only way you're going to know who is telling the truth, me or you, is you're going to have to let me out and let me show you. where sleepless nights yield to restful sleep. and lunesta can help you get there, like it has for so many people before. when taking lunesta, don't drive or operate machinery
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>> i got good news. they recommended my release this morning. the warden came around this morning. they recommended my release. it is hotter in this elevator than it is in my cell. >> after 17 months of waiting in ad seg, marcus is meeting to discuss the release to general population. >> i can feel myself getting closer to my husband. >> marcus is optimistic that her name is finally on the release list this time. >> if i put you on my list for to you get out of segregate, is that what you were about? >> yes, sir. >> it's not on there so that's what we're going to do now. talk about why i don't have you
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on that list. when you first got herering with turned you out to the population. and they met you down like a herd of horses waiting out. it wasn't long before it started being a lot of confusion between two or three different guys. then all of a sudden, these guys wanted to try to go fighting over marcus. i believe there will be problems. >> there won't be any problems. >> the last two times you were down there. >> why are you so hard on me because i'm a homosexual. i've only been involved in minor disputes. two minor -- >> they was not minor. >> no one ever got hurt. and i really need to get back. i really do. and i promise you, i promise you, captain, i am not coming back. i've gotten it together. i've gotten it all together. >> you can tell me you've got it all together but you can't tell me what [ bleep ] is going to do. >> yes, i can. i know him more than he knows himself. he is not going to get into anything. the only way, the only way, the
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only way, the only way you're going to know who is telling the truth, me or you, is you're going to have to let me out and let me show you. >> that's true. and i don't want to take that chance. there are a lot of new guys down that hall. when you hit that hallway down there, there will be one of them with a problem. someone will say i got to have him. i'm going to have him. i don't want somebody down there with knives fighting. >> ain't, that ain't going to happen. it's never been that serious. >> you can't promise me that. >> yes, i can. >> i tell you what. i tell you what. i take all this you said into consideration. but if i find out that you have caused problems down there or [ bleep ] anybody into it about somebody, about you, i'll lock you back up. >> i will accept that very restrict probation. >> let me think about it. i'll get with the warden and see if he'll agree with it also. >> i appreciate that. thank you, carve. >> you're welcome.
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>> i feel a lot better. a lot relieved. he is going to tate into consideration. he just didn't say no. if he said no, i probably would have just broke down. come on. take me back. i don't want to talk anymore. i'm ready to get to my husband. well, back to my hot little cell. >> please open, please open. >> you leave my house alone. >> while marcus thomas may find that her tenacity could reward her, terrance mosley is about to be rewarded for his good behavior over the last two weeks. >> today i'm going to call your mom. that was part of the thing. december last -- >> so really i'm doing you a favor. on the one hand.
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>> warden couple ifr has been keeping terrance's mother aware of his behavioral problem. he hopes that she can finally talk some sense into him and trigger a permanent change. >> may i speak to miss mosley? >> hello? how are you doing? i'm trying to. i been trying to, right? i just got that problem. i just got that problem. it's a problem. she wants talk to to you. >> yes, ma'am. we appreciate it. we got a contract. i got a contract with him. if he can go until november 15th without getting a disciplinary, that we're going to try him in general population again. but you know, that's something that he has to work on. and i don't know. we may make a couple of months, if he continue to do well, i'll let him call you in a couple
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months. yes, ma'am. maybe we need to get him a bible and just let him read the bible. yes, ma'am. thank you, miss mosley. all right. you all right? >> i need a transfer. >> you need a transfer? >> you'd rather have a transfer in november than to go to population? >> ain't never going to make it. >> you ain't going to make it six months? you know you ain't going to make it. >> i got a [ bleep ] up temper, man. i ain't going to make it. >> i think he's touched right now. i think five hours from now, or this time tomorrow, i think he'll refer back to his mother. i think it kind of got him because the shakiness in his voice and i think he realize that's she is not truly well. but i don't have a problem with him being transferred out. that isn't going to help him.
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he'll just go to another facility. he is actually closer to his mom here than he will be at any other max facility we have. so i don't know. he has to do it mentally. that's where it's at. >> after meeting with warden couple ifr, captain craft will deliver the final decision to marcus as to whether she will get out of ad seg. >> i go back down and talk to marcus and explain to him that we are willing to try this. just not right now. >> here you go. how are you doing this morning? >> all right. >> listen. sit down and talk to warden, about what we spoke about. about the contract and you come out in general population. he's agreed to let you out. one catch right now, warden won't turn you out right now.
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he wants to wait and turn you out late summer or early fall. he is willing to do it but it will be then. is that agreeable? okay. all right. maintain yourself now. all right. talk to you later. >> i guess i'm looking at august, september? that seems like forever. but there is nothing that [ bleep ] stop me from loving him. nothing, nothing.

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