cost-efficient facility, one designed to house nearly 2500 inmates. that's our report. thanks for watching. msnbc takes you behind the walls of america's most notorious prisons in a world of chaos and danger. now the scenes you have never seen. lock up, raw. >> lock up awe interviews with some of the most notorious criminals behind bars provided disturbing insights into what drives the horrific acts of

violence. >> he disrespected me. that's all it takes. >> i started having delusions. >> i started sing glory, glory hallelujah. >> i'm not going to live with cops and rats. i have nothing to lose. >> we went to dozens of maximum security prisons interviewing the dangerous and deadly inmates. it isn't until you step back to kind of get a sense of where they are coming from and what they did that you realize the evil that exists across the table. >> nestled the at the base of majestic glaciers, seward, alaska is known for more than breathtaking natural beauty. it's also home to the spring

creek correctional security, alaska's only maximum security prison. it's here that we encounter karl able, one of the most memable killers ever profiled on lock up. it didn't take long to make clear his opinions on fellow inmates. >> all them can say what they want to say. they are punks. the people that are in control are punks. >> he came to spring creek in 2003 after being convicted murdering a coworker. >> i caved his head in and caved it in totally like the biggest fragment of bone. >> it got out of hand and i kept on hanging out and beating on him more. it was very interesting. yeah. i was interested in how the

decomposition would be. it was interesting, but kind of twisted. >> the raw interview footage reveals perhaps the most grizzly aspect of his crime. >> so your whole sentence is what? >> 70 years. i got six months too to cruely to animals. >> cruelty to animals. >> what happened? >> i knew the guy's cat and the cat was crewing on him so i nuked the cat. i intended to kill the cat but i didn't do a good enough job. >> how do you nuke a cat? >> stuck him in the microwave and turned it on. 2 1/2 minutes wasn't long enough. so. i had a reason. i didn't do it for kicks. diit because it was crewing on the dead guy. >> three years later in august 2004, he killed again. this time the victim was his cellmate. >> he did life for killing his

mom which is disgusting. he was bragging about it. i killed mommy and i'm getting out in 20 years. blah blah blah. okay, dude. i sat here and listened to this garbage and can't tell and if you do, you are a [ bleep ] rat and someone will call me a [ bleep ] rat. you don't have a [ bleep ] clue. >> most of his cellmates infuriated him, he said he has nothing but respect for women and children. >> i have zero tolerance for behaviors of other men. they disrespect a woman and try to take them sexually, i put them in the ground. rapos and child molesters, you can't cure them. there is no cure for them. you kill them. that's how you deal with the problem. there is no more problem there. >> he gave us this graphic account of how he murdered his cellmate. >> he was talking about how she

was going to strangle this lady so i tore up the sheet and i wrapped it around his head and i said you know, you ain't doing nothing. say to mommy. >> how did he die? >> he kept on breathing and i thought i was doing it wrong. you can actually decapitate someone by yanking on it, the sheet is kind of hard. i think it was about five minutes of fighting around and finally got it around his neck and brought it up and he hemorrhaged all over the place and that's when he stopped. then i shoved his handkerchief down his throat to shut him down. i first killed hip out.

they got little punks that run their mouth. >> moments after he was placed in his cell, he was in conflict with the inmate in the neighboring cell. park this is what they call cell warriors. i don't know can get at each other so they try to stir each other up. >> he is expected to serve out the rest of his sentence, if not his life, in the highly restrictive cells of the max unit. he left our crew with these

words. >> i have human qualities. i am not a bully. i want to be left alone. that's all. if i can give them that, i don't know. i try to think positive. there is always things getting worse. things can get worse. i hope they don't. >> when we traveled to river bend maximum security institution in tennessee, we encountered a young inmate who was also driven to kill. his story was absolutely chilling. >> i murdered my aunt with a butcher knife. i put on a hockey mask and brown over alls and brown boots. they said i had bottled up anger and i was mad at my mom. i figured if i killed her sister, i didn't want to kill my mom, i figured i would kill her

sister and that would kill her emotionally. >> he was 15 at the time of the murder. when we met him, he told our produce he relates to two notorious and fictional movie killers. >> i would become a killer on friday the 13th. i am fascinated with the way they were. her voice is like jason, like one of the characters. they told me how to kill people and when it do it. i was possessed with the devil for six years. paw paw how about nowadays? >> there is a demon looking out my window right now. he lives outside my window. he's a demon. most of the time he is aggravating me and can't sleep. >> when our produce noticed his scarred arms she learned that sometimes he directs violence at himself as well. >> what are the scars?

>> i cut my vain open about three times. twice with a spoon and once with a razor blood to watch the blood come out. i do it for the hell of it. it took 15 years of bottled anger. >> he's not going to get that chance any time soon. ramon is not eligible for parole until 2057. >> if i can get g back in time, i would escape when i had the chance. at least took out 30 people before i had a little fun while i was out there. our interview had the chilling outlook on his life. >> i figured that's why i was a serial killer. i got a chance to get out. they do that, but since i ain't got no chance, i would carry out my plan. to kill as many as i can before i die.

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at virtually every prison we profil profiled, we met inmates that spent the majority of their lives behind bars and are never getting out. in many cases they committed crime as teenagers and with each passing decade have adjusted to the rules and demands of prison life.

still there those inmates like alex bennett at the kentucky state penitentiary who don't always agree with or abide by the rules. >> i am a person who has been in the joint all my life. i am told i am pretty hard core. i need a certain type of environment. >> you got smug want to say to me now, we can get it on national tv here. >> everything about alex, his mannerisms and appearance and the words he spoke said convict. alex just embodied that. >> bennett was 54 years old when he met him and spent 33 of those years behind bars for armed robbery, kidnapping and murder. >> the system today is not like the system that i came into 36 years ago. the system today has the

majority of their inmates programmed to do what they are told when they are told to do it. they get to the point where they expect that from everybody. there still a few old dogs around who like to do things their own way. >> bennett's way of doing things had horrifying results. after adapting to in a single person cell here, he was transferred to a lower security prison in 1998. he had more privileges there. but also had to share a cell. that's when things began to go very wrong. >> i'm not going to live with child molesters and not going to live with punks and rats. i need my privacy and that's the most important thing to me. i was determined to get that and i got it. >> after his request to return to a single cell at kentucky state was denied, bennett took matters into his own hands and

at the expense of his new cellmate. >> i took a knife and i stabbed him with it three or four times until he was dead. then i butchered him with it. cut him up into little pieces. i told the warden down there, this is what i left you. now you will give me a transfer and you will be next. i meant what i said. i have a choice because i have nothing to lose. you see my point. i have nothing to lose. >> usually i hang out right here. this is my spot. i used to stay over there, but the child killers took it over and they can have it. i don't argue with nobody about spots. i feel like the whole joint belongs to me since i killed to get her. >> a whole lot of guys think i'm

an insane psychopathic murderer. that don't bother me. >> later bennett revealed he did care what the lock up audience would think. >> the deputy warden took me to meet alex to get a few extra shots. he was taking this long pull off of a cigarette. i could start to see the gears turning in alex's mind. he said to me, why do you need all this footage. i don't get it. why do you need all this footage about me? >> what's that? >> just sitting here looking goofy. >> he was upset. it was like a switch. he went from being terribly cooperative to not being happy about the situation and there was a really, really discernible shift in his demeanor. >> you know what i think? >> whatever you were going to

do. i just wanted to get shots of you in your cell. >> i'm thinking that you are going through all these here prisons talking to all these people such as myself, you know? people who's never getting out and this thing ain't recording. >> i started to turn off the camera and stand up and again reasoning with alex slowly as i inch my way backwards towards nancy, out of the cell. alex, it's important that we tell this story. we want to hear your voice. i don't know if i was getting through to alex, but i know i was getting closer to that entrance of that cell. we turn and started walking down the cell tier and get to the entrance of the cellblock and nancy is white. she says to me, i don't know if you realize how lucky you are right now. >> hail might have been lucky and he made it out of kentucky

knowing alex bennett never will, but bennett accepted that. >> i never see the outside world anymore. i don't dream about it and i am 100% prison. 100% this is my life. prison is my life. this is all i have got. that's all i think about. >> coming up on lock up raw, a prolific prison killinger reflects in his crimes on the inside. >> i stand him 36 times. i am willing to put so many holes in him that there was no chance he could survive. [ buzz ] off to work!

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dangerous criminals in america. the interview process has to happen through glass. >> such was the case when the lock up production team encountered steven hughley in eastern tennessee. when we met him, he had been in prison for more than 20 years and was scheduled to be executed the following month. >> i shot my mother and threw her off of a bridge. we had problems for years and just finally reached a head and a girl that i had a date with came over there and when i considered the phone, she came out of her bedroom and came out of the hall way and screamed another one of yourer whos calling you. it was like i snapped. i told the girl that i had a date with i will be out to get

you in a little bit. i'm fixing to kill this pitch. i got a rifle and shot her. i carried her down the river and went on my date. i felt a great deal of contempt towards her because of the way she delittled my father and was constantly putting him down after a few years, it made me where i didn't feel anything towards her. >> throughout the hour long interview, he rarely displayed emotion except when recalling how his mother broke the news when he was 12 years old. >> she hung up the phone and said ron, they found him dead in his car. he committed suicide. i put you on the bus and send you to michigan for the funeral. that was it. and that made me hate her.

from that day forward, i knew i was going to kill her. eventual lie. >> he was sentenced to in prison for killing his mother, but it wouldn't be the last time he committed murder. five years later while incarcerated at a different prison, he stand an inmate 67 times after the man and two friends allegedly threatened him. >> all three came up to my cell, a single cell and i slaughtered him and they took off running and he -- i was going to kill them all through. >> after receiving an additional life sentence, 13 years later he murdered again. >> in this footage he described how and why he killed a prison counsellor. >> plan was to kill him and get

the death penalty used with lethal injection with a means of suicide. then in january i killed him. the first thing i did was said i want the death penalty and want to be executed. i stabbed him 36 times. i am willing to put so many holes in him, there was no chance he could survive. if he put enough holes in him, they are going to die. i have seen people stand 17 or 18 times and get up and walk away. >> that's really incredibly graphic and horrible. >> i agree. >> it's horrible. i mean -- >> i agree. i have never lost a minute of sleep over anything i have ever done.

if somebody who commits premeditated first-degree murder tells you they have remorse, they are a liar. it's impossible to commit premeditated first-degree murder and turn around and say you have remorse. how are you going to be remorseful about something you intended to do. >> he was sentenced to death and transferred to death low at the maximum security institution 100 miles away. lock up cameras were there as he left brushy mountain. >> i look at death as a new beginning. i don't fear it because it's what i want.

i'm the 1 that manipulated the system into giving me what i want. it's more like me killing myself than it is them killing me. i get the same adrenaline rush as it grows nearer. i get the same adrenaline rush than i would if i was killing somebody else. to me it's no different. >> days after this footage was shot he reinstated his appeal of the death sentence because they would not grant him a contact visit with his daughter. he was granted a stay of execution and returned to brushy mountain. next on lock up raw. >> we meet inmates whose time behind bars is a reign of terror. >> when are they turn around and back up, i say come on and get me. >> later, lock encounters two inmates whose crimes share a shocking element.

>> i wasn't a same person who can do that. you don't need brains. good morning to you. we are interrupting our programming for breaking new. a historic landing on the planet mars after approximately 352 million mile, 36-week journey from earth. the touchdown on mars's gale crater. nasa's most high tech recovery ever built plunged at top speets of 13 million miles per hour to land safely on the surface. nasa is a wading a signal that it landed safely. let's go live to our space correspondent who has details. jay, are with you us? >> yes, everything is going right on time now. what we are receiving is a signal back from mars that was sent to us 14 minutes ago.

actually curiosity should be on the surface and right now we are about to get confirm because they have good communications and shay should be coming up in about a minute to tell us it's there. everything looks perfect and it's about the size of a car. the landing in a crater that is 96 miles wide. it has a lot of material there that can show whether or not mars has a form of lifr life that exists now. what we have to say, they are not looking for little green men. they are looking for carbon compounds. that's science talk for looking for live and make sure they have the building blocks. we are getting the confirmation any moment. >> let's listen in. >> about 30 seconds away if we listen.

here we go. getting ready to settle. what they are happy about, they have communication to odyssey around mars. they get the confirmation touched down any second now. we will hear a big roar from the jet propulsion laboratory in pasadena, california. we hear them right now. they have a signal. curiosity is on mars. >> wow. wow. really, really exciting. really, really exciting to watch, jay. i wanted to ask you about the significance of this mission in particular. this happened a couple of times before. what make this is mars rover different than the last? >> the size of the rover itself. it's the size of a car and it

can move for miles in search of life or what happened there on mars. now, in this gale crater as i said, it's 96 miles across. it is landing in a 12 mile long, four mile wide landing zone and hit it perfectly it looks like. what they'll do there is spend the coming months going around looking for carbon compounds from water eroding down from the sides of the crater and all signs of life they need, but more important they will tell whether or not your grandchildren and my great grandchildren can fly up in about three or four decades and land there and survive quite well until they have to return back to earth or if they wanted to, you know what, they can set up a colony there and not come back. >> we are watching it. lots of excitement there. >> yeah, you hear them now. that's full confirmation.

it was such a tricky landing. do you know they sat that thing down with a series of rockets like a rocket helicopter, if you will, putting it down. they couldn't be happier. curiosity is on the surface of mars. it's a 2 $1/2 billion robot that doesn't appear that it's money wasted. >> let me ask you this. i understand the landing was precarious, but why did they have to bring the rover down in this way? >> well, they had landed before with using balloons and everything else. the original landing on mars, it landed a similar way. this was a way they can come down through this thin atmosphere and by using the rockets like they did on the moon to land the apollo, there was no atmosphere on the moon. you had to use these rockets to set yourself down. huh no other way of doing it. they did it sort of like with a

sky hook, they called it. it was actually a rocket helicopter overhead that put curiosity down very gently and set it -- it is now sitting up right as it should be. they shouldn't have any problems. a very, very happy bunch of people that go through eight years of hard work. they just pulled something that hasn't been done before. one thing about theis space program, they have been successful with the russians and others have not. this again is technology primarily to be credited to the jet propulsion laboratory in pasadena, california. they pulled it off. a lot of people would give you any money that they wouldn't be able to do t but they have done it. >> fantastic to watch. we have been listening to nbc news jay barbery thank you very much for spending time with us. we have been watching a historic

moment with special coverage of the mars rover touchdown on the red planet. i'm veronica de la cruz. we would like to return now to lock up. >> we have the real thing on the streets. that's what they use. you can't get whatever they are selling on the streets. ky jelly. that's what that is. >> i used my butter to make an impression they called -- >> taylor was referring to the defiled letters he sends to prison officials. >> a typical letter to me will be about a five-page controlled let with the second and third pages completely coated with semen and an imprint of his penis on the third page. i just answered whatever questions he asked and send it back. >> taylor wanted to get a reaction from any of his enemies who might one day see this

interview. >> i got killing to do. you don't get that. i got a big mouth and back it up with my tv personality. i have people who have to fertilize bushes and come up short. six feet short. if they ever run a pony, i have people chasing me. it's going to be like that for a little while. they would rather get aids. you catch ebolla rather than get next to me. >> you see you when you -- >> he stirred up more than his share of trouble behind bars. his first-rate was at the age of 15 for armed robbery. since then he spent more than 30 years behind bars, most of them within the stone ram parts of kentucky state penitentiary.

>> it's looking like a gladiator down there. you won't even fight. you are going to be somebody's punk. it's just that simple. so to survive, i fight. >> i whip their as all-around. >> in this previously unaired interview footage, johnson recalls the legacy of violence he unleashed during his time in kentucky's three-cell house, the hole. >> when are they come up to my cell, i said be handcuff and i said [ bleep ] you. come on in here and get me. when they come to fight me, i don't play. i have been up to the bed. i was maced so much, it don't affect me. they said he is immune to it. they shoot me with a tazer gun.

it's going to take more than that to calm me down. when they come out with something new, they come to me and try it on there and to see if it works. >> i have the seen that fleece loved an audience. he was a great story teller and he knew it. >> a lot of the officers that i fought, some of them quit. a whole bunch i made them quit. >> one of the officers barely escaped with his life. >> i took a five-gallon bucket of oiling water with bleach and salt and everything in it. it was so hot, i took a spoon. as soon as i threw it in, it just curled up. that's how hot it was. i threw it on him. just threw the whole bucket on him. >> what did he do that made you want to assault him?

>> he his respected me. that's all it takes. back then, that's all it took. just a simple disrespect. >> he survived, but the caused the state to institute hazard way for its officers and he received 15 years tacked on to his sentence. it wasn't just ksp who experienced his wrath. he also took it out on his own cell. >> i say i told about 400 people out wall. i tore up about five,000 or 6,000 mattresses and probably 20 something thousand sheets and blankets and doors. i tore off the hinges and things like that. it's one man that was causing the state. nobody breaks. nobody. >> these days, he claims she tool old for the violence he

used to commit and the prison even released him for segregation for good behavior. slowing down can't reduce the consequences of his actions and they are weighing more heavily on his mind. >> the most disturbing thing is the day when it occurred to a person that all the years that you follow thaw thought was right, good, and just is not. to know that it's hurt because you look back on all the people you have hurt through the battles and -- it's painful. the only way to make good on it is to do something constructively. and hope that it makes a difference somewhere. >> coming up on lock up raw -- >> i started sing the battle

hymn of the republic. glory, glory hallelujah. i was wigged out at that time. >> two inmates killed. >> frankie, frankie, what are you doing? >> their stories share a horrifying twist. >> i said you have to eat some of her brains for her to be part of you. who is he? [ dita ] it's aaron cross. he's the most valuable asset we've ever put in the field. he knows bourne. he knows treadstone. he's got a handle on the whole operation! consider the magnitude of what we're facing. what are you gonna do? [ cross ] i'm gonna finish what he started. ♪ aaron! you okay? let's go. [ male announcer ] "the bourne legacy." rated pg-13.

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and the gulf is open for business - the beaches are beautiful, the seafood is delicious. last year, many areas even reported record tourism seasons. the progress continues... but that doesn't mean our job is done. we're still committed to seeing this through. the wabash correctional facility in indiana houses inmates who are or considered mentally ill at the time of their crimes.

when lock up visited there, we met two such inmates. they killed after their own minds turned on them and their murders took on dimension that were not only shocking, they were unimaginable. >> i am frank street jr., 38 years old. i have been down here since 1993 for shooting my mom. >> during our first dave shooting at wabash, a lock up crew met frank street, an inmate housed in the residential treatment unit. at the time of the interview, street was experiencing involuntary tremors due to his medication. >> i started having delusions that people were out there hurting me and i had a videocassette tape that showed people hurting me and i showed it to my parents and they said there ain't nothing to it. they were thinking it was insane. i was the crazy one. >> a short time later, his delusions got the better of him.

>> we loaded up the 30-30 and my parents came home and said frankie, frankie, what are you doing? >> they reached for the gun and freaking out and i was too. i shot her in the head with a 30-30. >> each more shocking than frank sheet shooting his mother is what he did after he killed her. we will warn you, what you are about to hear is extremely graphic. >> i had become delusional and i say insane. i heard this voice saying you have to eat some of her brains for you to become part of her. >> she was having advanced schizophrenia and at the time of our interview was receiving medication and counseling in the residential treatment unit. >> i should have been in a mental hospital. it has been 13 years and went to all the psychiatrists and learned to deal with it. i feel that i had done the time.

i wasn't a sane person that we did back then. you don't eat brains. >> many of the murderers show little or no remorse. street is tormented by his. >> it's horrible. i have come to terms with myself that i am sure that some day i am going to kill myself. i decided to do that. that way can i go be with my mom. >> i'm not as bad as used to be. i'm not acting crazy anymore. i got some new socks. and that's what everybody's socks are looking like. like that.

that's all i have to say. . >> in the wake of intrusion frank street and hearing the graphic details surrounding his mother's murder, the lock up team never imagined encountering another inmate with a similar story. then we were introduced to 47 year old joseph garner. >> i have been down 9 1/2 years and got 22 1/2 more to go. my crime is murder and i cannibalized in the process. >> garner killed his father on christmas eve, 1995. at the time he believed his dad was preventing the second coming of christ. again, we will warn you, his account of the murder is extremely graphic. >> i told him to sit in a chair and not to move and i started singing the battle hymn of the republic, glory, glory hallelujah. i told him they are coming.

do you hear them? i was wigged out. he jumped up and tried to push me aside and i thought he was attacking me and i stabbed him in the back. he took about 3 steps and i tackled him and i slit his throat and remember him saying please don't kill me and that's when i realized oh, my god, what am i doing? >> my introducer described the interview as exhausting. he often took the conferring on bizarre tangents. >> whatever the latest measurement of times there was an alien that snowballed and the repreg of alcohol and witnessed by 10,000 people at a country hoe down. >> it was another few minutes before they brought him back to the details of the crime. what he said was shocking and disturbing. >> i pulled his brain out and took a bite of it.

>> like frank street, garner was houzed in the residential treatment unit. not only does he still struggle with what he did, but worries about what he might do. >> it's heinous. i believe an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. i believe they should take my life. even though there were circumstances that were mitigating and aggravating, my judge pointed out i still think that having crossed that line, it would be that much easier to go back across. there was less inhibition to take another life. especially my owne. i threatened that several times. . >> next on lock up raw -- >> a spa sticka is a powerful

symbol. i have a lot of them. >> a white supremacist inmate provides an epilog in the history of lock up. [ ding ] oh, that's helpful! well, our company does that, too. actually, we invented that. it's like a sauna in here. helping you save, even if it's not with us -- now, that's progressive! call or click today. no mas pantalones!

. of all the memorable inmates interviewed on lock up, one made such a visually shocking impression he stands alone in the history of the series. when you look at curtis with the tattoos all over his face, he is really physically intimidating. >> curtis allgier. >> this terrifying looking guy and i was put at ease when i realized he was actually soft spoken. >> i. here for burglary , forging an

escape and one to 15 in 2016. >> when are we met curtis, it didn't take long for tattoos to be the focus of the interview. >> me about your tattoos and the meanings. >> i have been getting tattoos since i was 13. my whole family tattoos and that's what i do on the streets. certain ones have meanings like my wife's name across my forehead. i love my lady. other ones are my political beliefs. >> they have to do with his near lifelong affiliation with the skip heads. >> my whole family are skin heads. born and raised into it. my dad and uncles and my cousins and all my family. being a skin head is a way of life. it's preserving your race and being proud of who you are and wanting to better that.

the swastika is a powerful symbol. it's pride of who i am. i have a lot of them. >> he gave a more detailed account in this unaired footage. >> what was the most painful part of your bodies? >> the toes, leg, and the lip. >> all your nerves are right there. i was thinking they were not that bad. don't look at me as my tattoos and say that guy is a phelan or whitey whitey whitey is supreme sift and am proud of my family, but i'm not a bad person because i have tattoos. it's not a bad thing. >> to go to him, being a white supremacist doesn't mean he belongs to one of the white supremacist prison gang. >> you have the gangs and those

dudes are not white supremacists. they were started by people who were rats and pc cases. >> the interesting thing about curtis was he claims he is not in a gang. he's not a gang member. he is just a skin head and he felt there was a really rae severe difference. >> never had a part of them. they are weak and lame. they are not white is you prem sifts. >> at that point one of the officers leaned into my ear and said if you use that, he is going to get attacked. he is going to get stabbed. >> inmates are aware that talking about gangs can put them in peril. it is a risk they take time and time again when interviewed. >> we're knew that sound byte might put him in danger, but we

knew how important it was to curtis that that distinction be may. that's the whois we went with. >> he spoke about the wife and two children he left behind on the outside. >> if i have pictures of my wife and my family and my kids, it does a lot to look at them. if you ain't got something to look at, you ain't looking at something positive. you are going to stay in here longer or when you get out, you will be right back. i think wow, they need me out there. i need to quit doing the lifestyle i am doing. mistakes i made in my life that i screwed up and i had to -- i hope this is the last time. >> two years after the interview, however, curtis would make the worst decision of his life. that guarantees he will die in prison. >> the suspect was able to get the guard's weapon away and at least one shot was fired. >> june 25th, 2007 in a visit to

an area hospital he disarmed, shot and killed the correctional officer escorting him. >> curtis called me and told me that he had killed a cop. he escaped. i asked him what happened. he told me that he was sorry that he loved me and that he kept saying i'm sorry, i love you. >> after fleeing, he was taken back into custody 45 minutes later at a fast food restaurant. >> i remember thinking curtis was in for burglary and forgery and escape. he was going do to do less than 15 years. he was going home. now he is never going to go home. >> it's not cool to be here and living this life, you skew up your life. i can't say don't do it because i have done it, but i can tell them this is not the way to go.