we'll go through that. good morning again from charlotte. and happy labor day. it's monday, september 3, 2012. this is the second half of a special two-hour edition of "the daily rundown." i'm chuck todd. a lot coming up in this hour including montana governor brian sweitzer and in a few minutes, south carolina congressman jim clyburn. let me get to my second reads of the morning. my first reads of this hour. democrats are amazingly confident. some would argue bordering on cocky about the position natheye in going into this convention. romney helped himself presenting a more likable side in the campaign. also feeling good, democrats are, that romney had to spend much of his time fixing his likability whether than lying out his plan for the future of the country. >> when governor romney finally had a chance to reveal the secret sauce, he did not offer a single new idea. >> what he missed was, was the

opportunity to talk about not just how much he loves his family, but what he's going to doing for the american people and their families. >> their platform was locked up in the same vault and mitt romney's tax returns. >> there is nothing memorable. we're debating, even discussing clint eastwood is because there is nothing memorable about mitt romney's speech. >> praising eastwood as an actor, director, clearly enjoying the fallout is retune. >> the romney campaign would probably not, three days after the convention, still having questions raised an clint eastwood. you'll have to ask them how that all went down. >> by the way, eastwood's 12-minute monologue is noticeably absent from a new romney convention highlights. and from an editorial page criticizing his speech for a lack of specifics, saying, someone should pointous this policy-free zone a risky in its own way. failing to explain his own

agenda mr. romney left an opening for mr. obama to define it instead. that criticism was echoed. >> he didn't mention the troop, thank the troops to their service, mentioned debt once, deaf ted twice. didn't mention the supreme court. in my view, a little narrow for a president's message. >> romney's senior adviser responded to the criticism sunday. >> governor romney traveled to indianapolis on wednesday and he gave a speech before the american legion. >> in that speech he talked about afghanistan. >> being the second convention on the calendar, has its advantages. this week the democrats will be able to directly rebut, if you will, the republican talking points that were most successful in tampa. giving them the last word in the run-up to the fall sprint. all this said, the romney campaign has reasons to feel good about the race. the combined amount of cash on hand romney and the rnc had at

the end of july, $185.9 million. while the obama campaign outraised the romney campaign, democrats enter a crucial stage at a cash disadvantage. another knob worries the obama campaign is this one. the nbc news/"wall street journal" poll. enthusiasm down among two key obama groups, down by groups 18 to 34 and down nearly 20 points among hispanics. the president was campaigning sunday at the university of colorado where hi campaign launched a "rocky mountain rumble" last week with rival colorado state. the challenge is to see which school can register more voters by election day. during his speech the president jokes wistfully about stopping at a local bar. >> food looked really good. people were having mimosas -- bloody marys, and -- and i was thinking to myself, you know, i could see folks forgetting to vote.

>> but it's a third number that republicans hopeful eclipsed the president's speech on thursday. that's the august unemployment number which will come out less than 12 hours after the president speaks. democrats still aren't quite sure how to dlaes all-important number which the last 24 hours has been made painfully clear. >> can you honestly say that people are better off today than they were four years ago? >> no, but that's not the question of this election. >> we are clearly better off as a country, because we're now creating jobs rather than losing them. >> soledad, we have not recovered all that we lost in the bush recession. >> that was, of course, martin o'malley saying, no, to the question yesterday. yes to the question today on the are you better off, question. in a statement, romney says labor day is a chance to celebrate the strong american work ethic. for far too many american, worrying when their next

paycheck will come. finally, the rom nip campaign using their financial advantage to expand the map. will they flex muscles in pennsylvania or michigan? romney hasn't spent money in either state and recently ads pull the down in pennsylvania. the romney campaign is quietly talking about how they can win without ohio but need 20 figure out how to expand the map, but they also like wisconsin. so i'm going to go to the map, and i'm going to deal with this question very quickly about how they go about winning without ohio. very nervous about ohio. so let's go to the map and i can show you. if the president has ohio then you see he's only 15 short of his magic number. but what the romney campaign hopes to do, replace ohio with wisconsin. so there you go. by the way, watch these numbers up here. where they change. then they think they can add north carolina and florida. and after that, 245. the question is, where do they go from there? they like their pross next iowa. puts them there, and in colorado, and they're still 10

short, and that makes, if you believe the wisconsin-ohio flip, that makes new hampshire, virginia and nevada, maybe the last three tough states. obviously the president feels good about his demographic advantage in nevada and they feel good about the social issues playing in new hampshire. look what that does. brings us to the one state i've always believed is what replaces florida and ohio this year. virginia, virginia, virginia. and it's also not an accident as to why they picked charlotte being a state that borders on virginia. they think they can transfer energy up there. north carolina was a key to president obama's victory in 2008 and democrats are hoping for a repeat this year by holding their convention in the tar heel state, but the fight is on right now for those 15 electoral votes with the latest poll showing mitt romneyry a slight edge among likely voters. joining me now, assistant democratic leader in south carolina, congressman james clyburn. congressman, you're sort of a host of this convention.

right? just south of the border. >> absolutely. absolutely. >> in effect, tell me, the south carolina democrats are very involved in this north carolina effort. are they not? >> yes, we are. we were four years ago and we're going to try to quadruple our involveme involvement. i think about 1,800 are up here. we plan to do better than that this time. >> a little bit of a kerfuffle yesterday on the sunday shows with the obama campaign what they said. better off a question, more definitive. what do you make of this sort of, the unease with answering that question? >> i think people are a little hesitant about being boastful, but i'm not. we are absolutely better off than we four years ago. i was in that room back in september 2008 when paulsen came in to tell us we were teetering. >> was he out -- >> he absolutely was. we left that room that night very, very concerned. if you recall, a week later,

both suspended -- both candidates suspended their campaigns to come back and watch and looked where we are today as opposed to then. we are not that hemorrhaging $800,000 a month. we are experiences for the 29 tth consecutive month of job growth and that is a much better place. look at the stock market. where it was back then and where we are today. >> that's the thing. the metrics, i think everybody can see. the metrics tell a good story. >> yeah. >> it's the anxiety people are feeling. >> absolutely. >> how do you deal with that? >> i'll tell you how to deal with that. three nights ago i was in a rural county in my district. four years ago, there were one and two unemployed every month. there are now out of the top ten. they told me they have dropped to number 17 in south carolina. and people are so upbeat. i came away from there believing that people are now getting very positive about where we are headed. i think people feel much better about the economy today than they did four years ago, and i

think we're in a good trajectory towards where we're going to be. >> you think like a campaign strategist sometimes. how concerned are you about that friday jobs report overshadowing what the president says thursday? >> well, we're always concerned about the jobs report. i'll tell you this. if we continue the job growth, irrespective of what the number may be as to overall unemployment, i think that that's what people are concerned about. are you on the right track? are you moving forward? and upward? and i think that is the number that i'm going to be concerned about. >> one of the, probably bigger pieces of news that took place a few weeks ago having to do with the convention a platform including a support of gay marriage. any dissent, do you think, among, particularly folks always point to african-american, more religious african-american democrats uncomfortable with this. do you think this will be an issue? >> as a guy who was born, my father a fundamentalist minister, i know how tough that

issue is for many african-americans. i tell you what. i think that we're in a different place today fundamentally than we were 25, 30 years ago on that question. so i do not believe that that is going to be an albatross for us at all. i know there will be some people uncomfortable with it, but that's not to the say that that emotionally will control how people act on november 6th. >> quickly, how many future presidential candidates are going to visit the south carolina breakfast dell sgrags you said one's there now? >> one's there. >> who is it? -- >> he'll be on the show. >> one of my favorite people. >> all right. congressman clyburn, good to see you. >> thank you so much. >> sort of the south of the border host, if you will. >> absolutely. we are hoping that people will spend a little money over here in south carolina. >> i saw the myrtle beach people. up next, the pouter of the gender gap. back inside the numbers to show you why the romney camp is so concerned about courting women voters.

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one of the things that went a little unnoticed and we didn't do enough of last friday, talk about the fact republicans went out of their way to focus on the gender gap during their convention. you can bet that democrats will do the saime. i want to show you how important women voters are going to be this november. it's a little bit explaining why there was such a huge deal here. this is the exit poll from 2008.

as you see, the president enjoyed a 13 point lead among women voters. the last nbc news/"wall street journal" poll, just 10. if it's less than 13, closer to 10, the mitt romney campaign will feel very good about their chances. this is a lead that the president wants to expand. but let me show you how important the gender gap is state by state. these are the states in 2008 where the president overperformed that 13-point gap. you see, 23 points in new hampshire. why social issues, you'll hear a lot about them up there. 21 points in wisconsin. 21 points in nevada, and 15 points in colorado. now, let me show you the states of our battleground where he underperformed the ten points. the 13 points. iowa, and north carolina, still double digit advantages on the gender gap. look at the places that were just single digits. florida, virginia and ohio. and i can tell you this -- specifically virginia. it's a huge focus when it um cans to how they're doing, their

ad campaigns. let me show you on the road to 270. dot nush do the numbers on the overperforming states. it keeps them four short. you can see why the path, the gender gap advantage. if this is xplexploitable for t campaign. talking about virginia, i can tell you the importance of virginia, spending a lot of money on planned parenthood. elections in the past in the virginia decided on gender issues before. ask governor doug wilder. perhaps nobody benefited more than in a battle over the abortion issue back in 1989. virginia, northern virginia, very sensitive on those things. it's why you heard so much from mitt romney about his mother, about his mother's senate campaign and why he name-checked every major republican woman office holder that addressed his

convention. the gender gap that number among women voters perhaps the number that romney cares about most when they see any new poll that they conduct. all right, well, democrats are gathering in north carolina. the president is in ohio where he will be speaking at the united ought auto workers labor day celebration at a local high school. labor day always finds democrats addressing union workers. a little awkward, the right to work state. that's why he's in ohio. live in toledo, kristen, going to hear a lot about the auto bailout, gm, auto workers. obvious what they want the message of the day to be. is it not? >> reporter: absolutely. they are trying to energize the labor vote. we're going to hear all about the ut the auto bailout today, chuck. that's going to make it different from the first two stops on his road to charlotte, a stop in iowa and colorado. today is all about the auto bailout, something that this community cares a lot about. according to the center for

automotive research, 12% of folks in ohio have some connection to the auto industry. president obama's going to highlight that. also, of course, this gives him a chance to create a stark contrast between himself and his republican challenger mitt romney who opposed the auto bailout. of course, president obama sees this as one of his signature achievements. get ready to hear a lot about that. president obama won this state back in 2008. carried it with five points. he's hoping to hold on to it. the labor vote is hugely important. won the labor vote in 2008 as well but needs them to turn out in force if he's going to hold on to this. a little nugget for you, chuck. this weekend you heard mitt romney take a swipe at president obama using the start of the college football season, saying, america needs a new coach, well i am told we can expect to the hear president obama use football to take a swipe at mitt romney's economic plans today. so watch for that. that's something to look forward to.

>> it is football season. we'll hear a lot of those metaphors. it's not the fourth quarter, though. kristen welker, thanks. up next live from charlotte, msnbc's own chris matthews is here. the crowd will get fired up about that. his take on the dnc and a look at his special documentary on president obama. first, a supersized show means a second trivia question for you. since 1948, how many people have been nominated for president twice in the same time city? tweet me your answer. the first correct answer gets a pile of money from us the answer, coming up on "the daily rundown." we'll be right back. it's time your your business entrepreneur of the week. melanie led the company to more

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convention in 2004, barack obama burst into the national spotlight, was a keynote speech that allowed many within the democratic and across america on a new documentary, "barack obama making history," chris matthews looks back at that crucial night. >> the pundits like to slice and dice our country into red states and blue states. red stateses for republicans. blue states for democrats, but i've got news for them, too, we worship and awesome god in the blue states and we don't like federal agents poking around in our lives in the red states. >> have this people who -- this guy's life has changed, and it will never be the same. >> joining me now, host of msnbc's "hardball," chris matthews. >> hi. >> thank you. cut that short. you know, right after -- right after that tape in 2004 i said, for history books, you just saw

the first african-american president. >> and you said that on -- >> right on the record. >> on live air. >> he had a postpartisanship, move beyond the old fights message before. he had it in '08, he's been mired in the old fights the last four years. how does he get out of the -- >> he has done, in terms of ethics, in terms of -- of his family life, his personal life, scandal-free perfection. his challenge is the one we all know about. the economy. it all comes down to that, and we're going to get a couple more numbers. a big number this friday, as you know. the morning after his big speech, which could put a thud on the whole speech. he gets two more. one, of course, the friday before the election. i still think that politics is simple. it's yes or no. and when he's up for re-election in two months. >> right. >> you go in that voting booth and you either say yes to him,

or no to him. >> it's funny you say that. >> that's going to decide the election. >> you're a big, for better or worse, always big on the are you better off now than four years ago? >> he has to reframe that top a very simple question. would you railroaden living in the america right now, september, 2012, or in the spring of 2009, when everything was going to hell. when unemployment was zooming up, the market dying. people thrown out of work by the hundreds of thousands. they're not answering the question the right way. here or back when he came into office? that first spring was scary. e he solidified, stabilized country, got us back on a positive track when the country was ready to go a little nuts and he did it. held us together and has been improving us. i think the mistake or weakness the democrats have, they get trapped into the question, are you better off than you were election time four years ago? in 2008. before that hit the fan. >> right. >> after it hit the fan we saw

the depth of the depression facing us. look how far we've come from there. they've got adjust that several months. >> an interview with the vice president. >> he was good. >> the most illusive interview . >> i pushed for that hard. >> e thr keeping him too bottled up. >> i think so. they seem to want him to, to stay on topic. they seem to want him to not stray at all in sbihis -- the problem with joe is the best of joe biden always coming with a little bit of trouble, because he's so honest. he's so unscripted. you know, you get a real person there. what's the problem with romney? you wonder if tltszhere's a man behind the curt's. >> trying to solve. >> biden is always trying to prove if he can be disciplined. romney, to some extent paul ryan, don't quite have a lot of

personality. i read over the weekend, a big piece this weekend. i think it was "time" that argued that romney -- i'm sorry. that biden is a necessary component of the obama re-election. because he's the -- >> use him, not using him enough? >> remember i said he put the aapostrophe in obama. bill clinton will have to play the role bid has been playing. they need a lot of help from clinton. i'm so proud of tonight. >> a special, "barack obama making history" premieres tonight, 10:00 p.m. eastern right here on msnbc. doing your show live from right here. all the people right here? >> come back at 5:00. >> a big crowd. much more ahead here from charlotte. up next, a rising star in the democratic party, something just visiting some south carolina democrats. you got outed, governor. brian sweitzer will be here.

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new jersey mashgs mayor, newark mayor, what our next guest has in common? happen to be dropping by the iowa dell griggs for a visit. designed, at least in my world to spark speculation that maybe, just maybe, she hathey have an 2016. brian schweitzer brought down the house with a passionate argument for change. here's a bit of it. >> let me ask you something. can we afford four more years? they need all of you to stand up. stand up, colorado.

stand up. florida, stand up! michigan, stand up! pennsylvania, stand up! get off of your hind end, in the cheap seat, stand up! >> montana governor brian schweitzer joins me now. it wasn't the official keynote but a lot of people remember it as the speech that, all of these conventions are so cookie cutter and sometimes everybody's nervous about the cameras. you just went in the there and fired them up a little bit extra. going to do something like that this time? >> you got to have a little fun in these thing. if it's wa, wa, wa, same story, same story, same story, there's no excitement. you go to the have a little fun. >> what's your argument? you made a passionate argument for change. now you have to make an argument for status quo. >> i'm not making an argument for status quo. we have finished the journey yesterday. we got to get going again.

>> we were just talking about montana and some of the, probably one of the closest senate races in country. you can saying, got to get young people to vote? >> well, the issue of young voters, the enthusiasm is down. we see it in our own polling numbers. is the reason simply the economy? is it this, or sr. it the cynicism over the political system? what is the challenge for the president? >> i think four years ago young people were excited, because barack obama represented a complete change from the past. he didn't look anything like all the previous presidents. and so young people want to be part of the future. they want to be the ones that were standing on the front lines of the future of this country. and so it was easier four years ago to build excitement among young people, but they need to know where year ate right now. a president investing more in higher education, trying to hold the line on tuition, making sure republicans don't take back pell grants, take away the scholarships. every single person in klemp and

all parents and grandparents know the most important thing for that young person is to get that college degree. that's the first step to the future. >> you're a red state democrat. montana. always more competitive than other red states but pretty consistently in that clump olum president's election. red state, president more popular in the state. how do you navigate that? >> you have to be who you are. things that are going on in washington, d.c., that's washington, d.c. folks in montana, they haven't trusted washington, d.c. for a lot of years. this isn't a new phenomenon. you have to represent your state. you have to tell the people of montana that you're going to help them with that college dream. that you're going to make sure they have a job, their children have a job. the state of montana is going to improve because you are investing in the future. if they believe that, then they'll believe in you. >> what's john testtester's challenge? senator and a congressman? you know, how do you make the anti-washington argument if you're both in washington?

>> in mont, only one congressman. he's running for the u.s. senate. they are as well known as each other. it's not like sort of -- somebody challenging and incumbe incumbent. it's almost like two incumbents. the lucky thing for tester, a member of congress running against him. about at popular as a toothache. >> you were doing, just spoke to democrats. you're going to sfepeak to iowa democrats. you have a glimmer what you might do? >> no, no. south carolina, they do grits. iowa, eating ham. >> what does new hampshire serve? >> well, maybe we're going to have some fish. maybe some kind of morning fish. >> lobster roll or something like that? are you not visiting other states? suddenly those are the breakfast invitations that seem enticing? >> neighbors in arizona and nevada. >> also primary states, i noticed. >> are you kidding me? >> in all seriousness, why do

you believe you should be looking at winning national -- >> i don't believe that. i can tell you this. we've had seven consecutive years while i've been governor of the largest surpluses in history. cut more taxes for more montanans than any governor in history. invested more money in education and found out from the u.s. kren is bu census bureau, montana is number one in college degrees. >> that's the story you need to tell? >> got with money and invest in the future that's what this country needs. >> a little change. what did you think of your picture four years ago? watch yourself. >> i don't know. looked like a kid there. >> brian schweitzer, entertaining this crowd all day and night. our two-hour edition of "the daily rundown" continues next. next, our panel all here. first, the white house mess is closed for labor day. so no soup for anybody. no soup, guys.

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staff to west virginia senator joe manchin, and lynet me start with you, joe. the obama campaign realizing, wait, it looks tis s terrible t we're not answering the question. they seemed to fix it this morning? >> certainly tried. reality, a tough question to answer. obviously what the political answer is, say, yes, but there are americans who don't necessarily believe that and they've got to speak to that, speak to that anxiety. you can't say things are better off and think people will come along. you have to explain why they're better off and why they'll continue to be better off with a second campaign. that's the goal. >> is this more an affirmative case or do they also have to make the negative case? >> the president has the opportunity to make more of a positive case, what the "wall street journal" pointed out,

even governor romney himself, the more detail and vision the president lays out, the better, and the more, again, an opportunity in this contrast, the more it makes the contrast. i agree with dan. kind of a yes, but -- answer to the question. >> when you do yes, but -- harold -- >> you lose time. >> and automatically, used to get yelled at by my father, with the yes, but -- but that is enthusiastic. no, go get 'em feel to this. >> the level for the democrat, what else dampens enthusiasm, back and forth. go point by point, bring out their own empty chair and tear out the republicans over what happened. that's not getting people to the polls. the folks here at the convention, they are die-hard activists working their state for many, many years and know what gets people organized and enthusiastic, and it's not just

sort of tit for tat. >> it's not going to be a romney-bash fest. the republican convention, you know, in the primetime hours they were spending more hours trying to talk about mitt romney. >> i don't any it should be a romney bash fest. a bash fest. kind of saturation point in terms of the negative. listen, if you spend $200 million killing each other and your numbers aren't moving, the voters are sending you a message. that said, make the hard contrast. the message of the democrats and the president can make here is, would you be better off if romney had been elected president? you can go down list in terms of all policies and the answer is, no. worse off in jobs. worse off in deficit. the auto industry gone. you can make that argument and then say, where do you think we'll be the next four years? >> dan what did you make from the criticism, the "wall street journal," bill crystal, the republicans and conservatives in

line to criticize romney? but they really didn't like that speech. you could tell they didn't like the speech. they didn't feel like romney's speech had -- >> they didn't like the speech in part because it was not the kind of full-throated conservative agenda speech they really want. they want this election to be a choice. >> they want a choice election. >> a big choice. >> they thought ryan gave them that. >> right. what romney seemed to be doing in the speech, i thought, speaking not to the base but to the television audience that may be looking at him for the first time. we'll see where they get going forward, but that was not the speech that a bill crystal really wants. >> the problem all along. right? they have one good day and are not able to carry it out. bill crystal made this twoipoin few weeks ago. great where ryan was named but can they carry it on? no momentum because no ideas for people to rally around. on the attacks, i have to say, the attacks we're seeing from the right have been so vicious.

obviously, i am a little biased, but so vicious and so racist, they actually are galvanizing the left. people are saying, wait. that is out of bounds. not what this election should be about and certainly the numbers -- >> a big charge when you throw out racism. do you really think the national party is doing this? >> i believe on the right many of the attacks have been -- >> you said on the right. you believe that's what romney and the rnc are doing? >> not necessarily from the romney campaign. certainly from the outside groups i think so and some from the romney campaign. this conversation we're having about welfare has a lot of code, a lot of code words thrown around here they then say, oh, no. we're joking. didn't mean it. you know what? in this country we are a majority/minority country. if you know and understand this country you understand the code for it. >> in welfare, that's bothered the obama campaign so much. it's clearly trying to go after sort of -- >> i mean -- >> franchise white working -- >> there's an element how you mobilize people that involves bashing their favorite target.

submit the mythological welfare mom or the mythological person who could be working and wants to sit around gathering an unemployment check. if this is what people want to do, they'll lose. it's proven it doesn't really work. you might see that around the fringes. the central kpracampaign, the romney/ryan campaign, i don't think they'll hang their hat on that. >> you work for a senator that represents voters similar to parts of ohio. does that kind of messaging work? whether in coded language sometimes? >> i want to say, no. because i want to believe it doesn't. realistically, yeah. there's a reason why republicans and the romney campaign are using those attack. the ad's baseless. we know that. to us, the question is, do we -- we have to defend it, we have to attack the attacks back, but we alsos have to make our positive case. like, we have to defend our record and paint a picture for the future. i think we can do it effectively. >> come back, agents 2016. we heard schweitzer, cory

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this still is not done. we have children from iowa, florida, from new jersey to california, to stand up and say those profound five words -- liberty and justice for all.

that was cory booker at the iowa delegation breakfast. let's bring our panel in. dan balz, karen finney, and a re -- >> we're focused on the future. >> yes. we are always looking ahead, we're an optimistic bunch of reporters here, looking hailed. >> there's another cycle out there. >> brian sways chweitzer just - >> everybody knows in 2016 there will be somebody else leading the democratic party. >> well, maybe -- the president could lose reelection and run again. >> i'm just saying, you never know. that would be unusual. >> well, you know -- >> always such a bit of a dance.

i'm going to put my toe out there, i'm not trying to upstage the president, is schweitzer dipping a toe? was that both feet? >> i say a pin, i think i saw a t-shirt. >> errol, what's interesting, andrew quoema. >> he's very serious. he's serious enough he doesn't have a speaking role here action and has been turning aside any questions whether he he has a kaechbs. >> wasn't he not asked? >> my guess is he probably wasn't asked. it's spun he's busy, shy, reluctant, and frankly, you know, there's a danger he lets his lunch get eaten by people out there doing hard work for this ticket, for other cannes. >> 2016, i can't believe we're talking about it.

that mean -- >> cory booker went to iowa today. >> in new hampshire tomorrow, right? the reality is i think everyone kind of knows the folks that are thinking about running, governor o'malley, schweitzer i would say is in there, and i think everyone is waiting to see what the two big ones do, biden and clinton. >> i've people tell me hillary clinton casts a shadow, if she doesn't run, joe biden will not scare people out of the race. >> that's probably right, but look how smart cuomo is, he's not speaking, but we're still talking about him. yeah, i think the big question is whether or not hillary runs. >> if your name is cuomo, you don't want to look reluctant or shy. if he's serious about it -- >> put mario cuomo on the national stage, there was a big address at a democratic

convention. his skeenote address as powerful as a keynote address has been done. is there a speech here other than the president's that you're most interested in. >> actually i'm looking at the play yors. i you willty think if you look at the bench the political talent, we had a story featuring a number of the mayors. they will be the people to watch over the next i would say several cycles. >> somebody we're not thinking about? >> i'm thinking about the first lady and the reaction to her. not strictly speaking political, but it will tell you what you need to know about what the democrats plan to do with regard to mobilizing the women's vote. >> i think president clinton's speech will be huge, for a lot of reasons, but in part because he's made the case better than in some cases the obama campaign has, in terms of the choice of the selection, and i think in terms of dark horses, i think

elizabeth warren will be an interesting speech. it's a tight race. if she wins, she becomes i think a powerful vote. >> dan balz jokes has winner runs between 2016, loser gets a talk show. >> that may be right. i agree with chris, i think by president clinton is a big moment. what i'm not sure is whether people will see him as a true ally of the president or just bill clinton making a good case, but the president will have to come back. shameless plugs, karen? >> to the convention team in 2012, great job. thanks for having us, charlotte. >> now you just have to worse about the west? >> kofinis. >> i would say the convention team. >> this setup. >> our partner here they do local news, but they've got the politi politics. >> my hotel tv always starts on

this news 14, and i change the channel and it goes back. >> i want to point people to the grid on "the washington post." it hays tweets, inthat grams, all. >> best photographer at "the washington post" is dan balz. another packed show tomorrow from charlotte. joe will be here tomorrow. everybody, stick around, chris jansing is next.

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