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due to mature subject matter, viewer discretion is advised. i don't beat around the bush when it comes to the racist term. i'm absolutely a racist. >> inmates find themselves in racial conflict. >> he and two white offenders were involved with assaulting a and cut off from visits with his
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son, he's on razor's edge. >> i seek revenge for that. a convicted murderer seeks legitimacy for what prison officials think is a white supremacist group. i hate wabash, you know what i mean? >> forced to be locked in a room for 19 hours a day.
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then three of the half hours that we come out is to go get the worst food you've ever had your life. >> everything people take for granted we cherish right now. >> wabash maximum security prison the western edge of indiana. the sen tear piece of the town of carlisle. the inmate population of nearly 2200 outnumbers local residents 4 to 1. many of the most violent offenders are locked up here. the most violent of the
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offenders are house 2d 3 hours a day in the secured confinement unit. >> few, be however, are more notorious than leonard who has spent 16 years here. >> he still is escorted by two men, handcuffed behind his back. that unit is designed for people like mccoy. >> the most infamous chapter of his time occurred at indiana state prison 17 years earlier. he stabbed a correction's officer to death. >> we approached him from the front, stabbed him one time in the front chest area which actually broke a rib, stabbed him with such force. the sound of it targeted another staff member that was coming over to pond. when he responded, he actually observed the be second stab to the back, according to the reports.
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before the officer actually died, they said that he told them that he didn't know if he was going to make it or not and that he stabbed him. >> he have sentenced to an additional 60 years. despite the iwitness accounts, he still proclaims his innocence. >> it's been a long ride but i've maintained my balance and mental health. >> mcquay will soon reach a milestone. his time in confinement is about to surpass the time he's spent free in the outside world. >> at some time you can be in an environment like this and a person begins to see you as a mad dog, like every chance you get you're just going to lose
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control or you're going to slap on somebody and that's not me. >> periodically mcquay files requests to be moved out to general population. >> i still believe that leonard mcquay has an ulterior motive. >> the first person he needs to win over is the case manager. >> so i get along with leonard. he is very, very likable, very charismatic, just so friendly. but he's so overly friendly, it's so fake. it's not for real. >> since coming to wabash, he has been involved in several incidents. >> a few years ago he was on a rec pad and asked for a basketball and when they went to hand a basketball he actually come through the door and pushed
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his way through and began assaulting a couple of the staff members and several staff responded along with five others, and we got him on the ground and in cuffs. >> sometimes it can push you over the edge. sometimes you can regret after becoming so emotional the things that you do. especially when you know that one action can result in the lifetime of misery. >> but mcquay says he's had a spiritual awakening since converting to islam. >> i'm a changed man. >> mcquay is not the oinl inmate at wabash valley that has had an awakening. marcus murray is the
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self-proclaimed priest of a dramatic pagan religion. >> it's the prechristian religion of northern europeans. >> it's proven popular among inmates nationwide and discovered it 12 years earlier. he is serving a 60-year ent sense for beating another man to death. he says this has helped him come
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to grips with the murder. >> it's a large portion of the viking age history. members have been able to hold meetings but they are using the services to have their gang meetings within the services itself and it's been quite disruptive at these other facilities. >> murray has decided to file a grievance to appeal the ban. >> it is not a gang. it's a religion based on a virtue and knowledge. >> his latest, williams jones
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junior. >> he's been treating me about what the hammer means and what the different gods and goddesses are. >> jones, who also denies being a white subpoena prem mist came here 3 years ago at age 18. he was sentenced to six years for burglary. >> i was hanging out with the wrong people, strung out on drug and broke into a house and took a tv, a bunch of other little items, like a tattoo gun, took them and sold them for drugs. >> the house he stole from what his dad's house. jones said he would like to rebuild a relationship with his father and will soon have the chance. he leaves prison on parole in one week. >> why would you enjoy the
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weather, man? you get to enjoy all of that when you go home next week. >> he's still being molded as a young man and he's being turned into somebody. >> delivering papers. >> no, that's just temporary. just enough for me to find a job. >> i'm glad you have aspirations. >> what the hell does that mean? >> coming up -- >> i got a $100 tattooed on my pants. >> cellmates find themselves at a crossroad. and later -- >> you need to open your heart. >> leonard mcquay tries to help his image. >> i treat him with respect but i do not trust him. r buddies? lost your appetite for romance? and your mood is on its way down. you might not just be getting older.
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family out there that really needs me. been spending a lot of time away from them. i can't say i've always been the best for them. as a matter of fact, their lives probably would have been a lot better without me in it. >> the wabash family correctional facility is isolated from miles of corn and soybeans fields in indiana. some of the state's most violent inmates are house ohhed here. and they've been known to hurt each other. james stone has been in prison for the past 25 years for attempted murder and he's had more than a few scrapes in that time while some inmates have been known to create knives out of toothbrushes or anything else. when stone was at another prison, he devised a more unique
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weapon. >>. >> leather work gloves that i have that i took pads off welding gloves, the inside of the welding gloves, i took the pads off of them, dipped them in the varnish, put them on top of the varnish and dripped back down in the varnish, then went over to a drill press and metal curly qs. i dipped down into a bunch of them so it looked like a metal bush on top of the gloves. then i ran them through the top layer of the varnish in the can so it would keep them from breaking off and let them dry on your hands while your hands stay balled up and once they dry, they last forever. every time you hit someone, it's just like taking cheese through a cheese grater. it's not pretty. it's like making slaw.
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>> once boy hood friends on the outside, they now rely on each other for survival on the inside. >> we met like a different place where we hung out when we was, what -- >> 13, 14 maybe at the latest, maybe even 12. >> robby is serving six years for armed robbery and is no stranger to prison. >> i'll be 23 in a couple of day and with parole violations altogether i've come to prison five times. if i keep coming, eventually it's going to be and i don't want that. i really don't have anybody out there. i wish i had somewhere to go, get on my feet and live life productively. i don't want to keep coming here. you hear me? >> you already know.
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>> unlike his boyhood friend that's been in and out of prison five times, this is bradley's first time behind the walls but as a juvenile he was twice placed on house arrest. now he's serving 16 years for burglary and criminal gang activity. >> when i heard my sentence, i was crying. at 18, getting 16 years, you know, it seems like forever. it seems like, oh, man, i ain't never getting out, you know. >> we've got a good relationship, you know what i mean. we talk to each other crazy, smack each other around when nobody's looking. >> no matter what, it's good right afterwards. >> even though they are from the same home town, their lives in prison would make it seen like they are from different sides of the track. >> his tv is an older model and my tv is one of the flat screens
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that they just started selling. it's expensive but it's just a bigger picture, you know what i'm saying. everything in here is ours. whatever is mine is his and whatever is his is mine. that's the way we live, you know what i mean? >> thanks to support from his family, once a week he loads up for both himself and mcanalley. >> he loads up on half of everything. he means to carry half of everything. >> robby! >> why would you just grab that? >> all the commissary goes into one box. it's hard for thoim stay on the
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right path. >> one thing mcanalley does have is an abundance of tattoos. >> i got these praying hands for my dad and honor thy mother and father. and this is south side. where i'm from. naked girls, everybody loves naked girls and money. that's all clowns up there. there aren't too much meaning behind that. >> don't off $100 bill? >> i do have a $100 tattoo. >> where is that at? >> i got a $100 tattooed on my penis. >> so what do you tell the girls about that? >> it's money to blow. >> the imagery on mcanalley's body only tells part of the story. it's the pictures that he keeps tucked away that tells the rest. he hasn't seen his son
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3-year-old robby, iii, in more than two years. he's had a contentious relationship with his son's mother. >> since i came back to prison, me and her got into it and i haven't seen him at all. it's been 26 months ago. >> napier is also the father of a young boy, 2-year-old bradley, junior. >> this is what he sent me for my birthday. he colored on it and put stickers all over it. he's my whole world, my life. >> like other aspects of their relationship, their relationships to their sons are also marked by a have and have not quality. unlike mcanalley, napier enjoys regular visits with his child. >> i wouldn't be able to go through what he's going through, not seeing my son and stuff. >> ain't no reason behind 26 months. >> that's just how it is. we're in two different places. >> while mcanalley longs for a
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visit with his son, markus murray has been teaching his religio religio religious beliefs to john. he hopes that asatru will keep him from returning to prison. >> when you've got bills to pay and somebody offers an opportunity for you to, you know, make a little bit of easy cash, you know, go rob something, things go bad. people get involved and people that weren't supposed to be there come out with shotguns and you get killed. you end up being another justin. another heartbreak i have to deal with. >> i'm not going to die. >> i've been through this before. i've had friends of mine that i have taken under my wing, youngsters that get out before i do anyway and they mess up. in fact, i lost freand about six years ago, justin, he got shot
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by a police officer in indianapolis. i feel like i failed him. >> i promise you, i will send you a card for every month that you're out there. but if you come back, i will send a blanket party. >> i'm not coming back. >> all right. thank you. coming up, leonard mcquay gets a job and a chance to prove himself. >> now, that was to the dislike of some of my supervisors. they thought that i had lost my mind. and later, markus murray lashes out when an asatru member lashes out. billion dollars to help those affected and to cover cleanup costs. today, the beaches and gulf are open, and many areas are reporting their best tourism seasons in years. and bp's also committed to america. we support nearly 250,000 jobs and invest more here than anywhere else. we're working to fuel america for generations to come.
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all over the world five times a day. >> he's serving 60 years for the murder of a correctional officer 16 years earlier. since then he's been in administrative segregation. >> the holy koran, i read this every day. >> while he says his koran has helped him grow spiritually, the other books in his cells have helped him grow physically. >> this is what i call my weight bag. i do these curls. i do these, what they call shrugs, i do these. i do back arms like this. like this. this is probably about 55 or 60 pounds. >> mcquay has spent years trying to earn his way back into
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general population but his history as a violent offender continues to haunt him. >> i basically gauged it as an emotional response to being disrespected. >> i was warned when i came into this job regarding offender leonard mcquay. leonard is very smart, very, very clever. he can talk a great talk. >> though caseworker beverly gilmore has raised several questions, her goal is to give inmates an opportunity to prove themselves so she recently made a controversial decision. after mcquay successfully completed a prison lifeskills program, she gave him a job in his housing unit. >> i did make him a sanitation worker. now, that was to the dislike of some of my supervisors. they thought that i had lost my mind. i would never, they say, let him
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get out of his cell. and i said, let's give him a chance. one time, buddy, i see you pace passing a scrap of paper to an offender, you will be without your job. and we are watching him more closely than any. at least this miss gilmore is because i have something to prove because i think he can do it. >> change is gauged by behavior. if you are actually changing, your behavior must change. and i believe my behavior has changed. >> mcquay hopes a positive job performance will help him win his transer and his fate will be determined at his next review less than a week away. >> somebody that deserves respect, to be treated like a human being and if it's given to me, i will give it. treat me like a human being, give me the respect and courtesy of a human being and not an animal, and you will receive the
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isolated in rural southwestern indiana, the wabash correctional facility is more than 100 miles from a major urban center but it has plenty of reminders of suburban problems. >> wabash has approximately 43 different gang and approximately 400 different gang members. now, that doesn't reflect all of our suspected members. those are all confirmed members and we have approximately somewhere between 200 to 300 suspected gang members at this facility. >> most of the gangs are divided among racial lines but the majority of gang members here belong to white subpoena supremacist groups. prison officials suspect that a growing religious group known as asatru might be a front for white supremacist groups. one of the leaders at wabash denies that. >> there has never been anything
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in my studies that says one race is more dominant over another, one culture more dominant over another more one culture. asatru believers believe, our religion is fine, your religion is fine. >> guy ratcliff says there is one group who is not welcome. >> if we found out that somebody in the asatru wanted to be a member, he cannot participate. it's a bylaw. you cannot be a sex offender. >> ratcliff also defended the fact that some members have swastikas tattooed on their body. >> the swastika was around long
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before adolf hitler came around. he took something from my religion, which was a sun wheel and made it part of his party. this goes back to ancient p civilizations. they had a swastika in persia. >> his comments disturbed murray who let him know how much when he returned to his cell. >> you just made us look like a bunch of [ bleep ]. >> i tried to talk about this with you. i swear i did. sorry ma a, markus. try not to get mad at me, man. >> it's hard not to. you just sank my boat. >> later, we told murray we recorded his exchange with ratcliff and asked him to explain it. >> i was a little mad. i mean, he didn't mean any harm.
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he just -- you know, ignorant of the conduction of leadership roles, and i think now that he has seen, you know, that it upset me and knows that it's not really how we do business, i think he's changed his point of view. >> murray hopes to also change the point of view of prison officials. he will soon have a hearing with administrators to appeal their ban on group worship services among asatru members and to have it removed from the list of security threat groups. robby mcanalley faces a different challenge. his boyhood friend happens to be his cellmate. >> he's a great dude. i've known him for years, even before we came to prison. but, i mean, i've got my problems that i haven't seen my
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son in two years and [ bleep ] he gets to trip back he knows how i feel and stresses when he don't see his son for a week. he gets visits every week. everything that's possible to get in here, he's got it. and i'm in here [ bleep ] up. >> mcanalley, serving six years for armed robbery, wears his frustration in prison ink. >> that says vengeance because i've had a lot of wrong done to me. i hurt a lot and i seek revenge for that. i have a lot of an moss f animosity built up. >> he points to another tattoo as the source of his frustration. >> the mother of my child. i'm kind of mad at her that she's not -- she's holding my son from me. >> but that could be changing. a recent letter and her
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submission of a visitation request are indications that she's planning to bring mcanalley's son to see him. >> this isn't the first time that she says she's going to visit but then all of a sudden she falls off again. i'm not really going to get my hopes up again. last time i seen him, he couldn't walk or talk. i can't wait to see him. >> while he clings to the hope that his visit will take place, his sell mate is enjoying one of his regular visits with his 2-year-old son brad and jessica corn, his son's mother. >> say touchdown. >> touchdown. >> bradley talks about his son all the time. when we pull up and he sees that guard tower, daddy's house. daddy's house. inside you think, great, he sees a tower and thinks of his dad but that is his dad's house and he's excited to see him. >> this type of one on one between an inmate and his child
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is rare in most maximum security prisons where visits typically take place in a large common area choked with noise and large distractions but napier's visit is part of the fatherhood program. >> it's great, man. because i get to spend a lot more time with my son. i get to come in this visiting room and everything is great. it's one on one, me and him running around here and playing ball. >> the monthly visits are carefully monitored by the coordinator. >> they have a responsibility, is what we're teaching them. even though they are in prison that doesn't give them a cop out not to be a dad. >> you're okay, buddy. get up. >> come on. he hit his head. let me kiss it. now tell daddy kiss it. kiss it. >> no. >> you'll be all right. >> say i'm beast mode.
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>> mr. napier, go ahead and have a seat. >> following each visit, napier undergoes a review. >> let's talk about bradley crying. >> i think when he starts crying, i say, bradley, get up, you're fine. because he's raised by a whole bunch of women, you know, and little boys raised by women get babied and i don't want my son to grow up getting babied all of the time. i want him to have toughness about him because the world is tough. get up. >> i understand where you're coming from. i want to give you a suggestion. it's okay for him to cry. it's okay for you to say that he's okay. and then address the situation and move on. it kind of seemed that some of your patterns came from, okay, a quick fix, let's get him on to something else. it's okay to acknowledge that he's crying, find out why he's
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crying and then move up from that. do you understand what i'm saying? >> sure. >> thank you for coming in. >> thank you. >> no problem. >> i like to hear insight of what people think i am as a father. i'm going to give it some thought about it but i know how to be a father. i've done good with it, you know. coming up, william jones says good-bye to his mentor and hello to life on the outside. >> don't come back. >> and leonard mcquay argues for a transer outside of confinement. w buildings? what about updated equipment? they can help, but recent research shows... ... nothing transforms schools like investing in advanced teacher education. let's build a strong foundation. let's invest in our teachers so they can inspire our students. let's solve this.
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correctional facility, most of the 2200 convicted felons housed here are treated as one more routine day of incarceration but not william jones. today after three years he's going home. >> how do you feel today? >> nervous. i'm happy to leave but it sucks to have to leave people in here. >> the one inmate he most hates to leave behind is his close friend and spiritual mentor, markus murray, who is serving 60 years for murder. >> it's going to be hard, dude. >> you're going to miss me. you know it. >> i'm not going to miss you. >> oh, man. >> man -- >> be cool, man. >> all right. >> while jones spent his final moments in prison, just outside the walls, his older brother casey and casey's family arrive
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to pick him up. >> me and my brother are pretty close. i'm just glad i get to pick him up and not leave him here. i've been up here like eight different times and having to leave here was hard. >> have a good one, boss. >> you, too. >> stay out of here. >> good luck, man. >> it feels different. i guess there's nothing like walking out of prison, i guess. >> all right. >> leaving jail is not real cool. i don't like it. >> what's your name? >> jones. >> let get you your property and escort you out of here. >> releasing one from gate two.
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>> let's go. >> be right with you, ma'am. >> come on, billy, run to me. >> don't come back. i don't want to see you anymore. >> i ain't coming back. >> let me do the honors. >> man. >> cigarettes in the car. >> can't handle that right now. >> take your picture. >> oh, man. finally. >> all right. everybody in. >> while jones savors his first moments of freedom being back
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inside wabash, leonard mcquay fights for a different kind of freedom. he has a hearing with his case manager to find out if he can be taken off of administrative segregation, the only way he's known for the past 16 years. >> the dog leash is off. >> the prospect of mcquay, the killer of a correctional officer, being released back into general population, naturally has some staff on edge. >> offender mcquay, he comes off as a very well spoken, polite individual. that means that he does have the conduct history, the assault on staff, the murder charge of a staff member from a previous facility so even though he does come across as a quiet individual, you always have to keep that in mind when you're dealing with him. >> he's so evil.
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he's so barbaric, putting chains on the man like that. >> i do not trust him. i treat him with respect but i do not trust him. >> the last time mcquay had a review with his case manager, beverly gilmore, she approved him for a job. he hopes that she feels that he's ready for release to general population. >> hi, how are you? >> i'm good. how are you? i got my presentation from my review. >> mr. mcquay, what makes you a good candidate for release from administrative segregation into the offender general population in. >> i've engaged in rehabilitation that has allowed me to take a retrospective look, not only at my past violent behavior and my new more humbled progressive behavior. and i believe that i've made
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some significant strides in my social relationship with staff. >> all right. leonard, you talk a mighty fine talk. however, how are we to be assured that you actually have soaked this in and believe it town into the bone marrow? >> i'm asking you, miss gilmore, and i'm asking the administration here to open your hearts. and look at me as a human being who has made some terrible mistakes. who has come back from the grave. i'm a new man. and the only way that this new man can shine is that you give me the opportunity. please give me a chance. that's all i need. i won't let them down, miss gilmore. >> i will summarize that in a statement. thank you, mr. mcquay. >> all right. they got reason to be concerned because of, you know, prior incidents. you know, associated with me.
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and the only way they can see that i'm not only a changed man, but i'm ready to go something different with my life is to let me have an opportunity. i haven't had a chance, and that's what i'm hoping for. coming up, marcus murray depends. >> you have a salute kind of like a lot of white supremacists do. >> no, sir. and a decision is handed down on leonard mcquay. ouncer ] don't have the hops for hoops with your buddies? lost your appetite for romance? and your mood is on its way down. you might not just be getting older. you might have a treatable condition called low testosterone or low t. millions of men, forty-five or older, may have low t. so talk to your doctor about low t. hey, michael! [ male announcer ] and step out of the shadows. hi! how are you? [ male announcer ] learn more at isitlowt.com. [ laughs ] hey!
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this is my little boy right around my birthday. my baby mama sent me this. the first picture was, too. here's the day he was born. i don't know. it's [ bleep ] hell. >> robby has been in prison for a little more than two years.
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in all that time, he hasn't had a single visit with his 3-year-old son. recent contact with the child's mother had given him hope that a visit might be imminent, but now the child's mother represented in a tattoo on his arm, has changed her plans. >> [ bleep ]. she been talking about for the past 2 1/2 months now, i'm going to bring trey down there, i'm going to bring trey down there. all of a sudden miss you're too busy. i'm going to turn her into a clown, bro. >> oh, whatever. he loves that girl. >> i love the [ bleep ] out of her but she ain't worth a [ bleep ]. she ain't worth a [ bleep ]. >> later, he revealed one possible reason why the mother of his child has not followed through on visits. he said it was an incident that happened before he returned to prison. something he rarely talks about. >> it was a domestic battery.
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and i haven't seen him since then, which was -- yeah, that's the last time i seen him was the night that that happened. >> he can only accept the consequences of his actions and do little to control developments with those he's left behind on the outside. but today marcus murray is hoping to make a big change on the inside. >> how you doing? >> hi. >> he filed a grievance to be removed from the list of security threat groups or gangs. security threat group coordinator robby marshal and assistant superintendent jack hendricks granted murray a hearing on the matter. >> if you were in a leadership position and saw someone coming into your community or into your services with ill will or intent to participate in a security threat group or activity what would your take on that be? >> i would tell them to go back where they came. there is no reason to bring ill
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will into the office. it's a sacred place. and if one person is sick in the group, then we're all sick. and if you're in the community, you have a say so, and if it's anything that's kind of, you know, controversial, it does get voted on. >> can you elaborate on that a little bit? >> let's say somebody had a new idea for how we salute each other or something like that. >> you say salute, you mean talking about greeting someone? >> yeah, like particular handshakes or something. wro you know? like as a fraternity people like to set themselves apart. >> you stated you or your community have a greeting that you referred to as a salute. could you show me what that refers to. >> no, i never said that. >> no. >> oh, you mean like we say something. we say hail sa which means hello and good health. >> so you weren't referring to a gesture. >> no, no. >> okay. a hand or body language or anything like that. >> no. >> kind of like a lot of white
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supremacists do and do the hitler salute. >> no, sir. >> i guess i have one major question here. what is your input on other races joining your community? >> we will discriminate against no one. regardless of race, gender, sex, creed, nationality, origin, or of their religion. we won't discriminate from them. >> minority in a leadership role? >> no, we haven't. >> if that opportunity a rose, would that be allowed? >> yes, it would. >> mr. hendricks, any other questions? >> no, not today. >> marcus, any questions for us? >> no, i don't. >> thank you very much. >> thank you. >> the final decision could still be weeks off. but the wait is over for leonard mcquay. prison officials have denied his request to be moved back to general population. >> he seems like he has everything in the world going for him, but when you really sit down and you really listen, off the unit when he thinks that you can't hear him talking, some of
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the things that he talks about negative toward staff. a staff person was assaulted by another offender in another cell house, he was applauding. that's a telltale sign that he is not ready to go into the general population. >> i don't want to lose my mind like this. i don't want to physically begin to deteriorate where i can't get no help. so i'm saying, i want to actually be given an opportunity to do something progressive with my life. back here in solitary confi confineme confinement, i can't do that.

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