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due to mature subject matter, viewer discretion is advised. america's prison, dangerous, often deadly. there are two million people behind bars in america. every day it's a battle to survive and to maintain order. >> down on your feet! >> this is "lockup: inside angola." >> one out of every two ends up in a murder. >> violence close to the
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surface. >> it's not hard to find if you're not looking for it, if you're not careful, trouble will find you. >> two ways out, dead or alive. 90 miles from new orleans lies louisiana state penitentiary. commonly referred to as angola. it's the largest prison in america. started as a slave plantation and taken over by the state in 190 is, this land has seen more than its share of pain.
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it was once considered the bloodiest prison in america and the current population of 1,048 men it's estimated that 98% of them will die here yet things have are changed drastically and much credit goes to the warden. >> >> if we can save one person from being a victim of violent. it's to correct bad behavior and do that in a way that you can and the root way to do that is morality. moral people obviously don't steal. >> right here i have seen change because of god in your life. >> warden cain works on two levels, one, spiritual and religious, the other, engaging in employment opportunities. church is optional.
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work is not. >> i've been with productions for nine months. >> perhaps the most unusual example of innovation at angola is the tv station. the only inmate production company in the united states. >> one, two, three, four. >> one, two, three, four. >> before we do a shoot, we have to kind of step back and kind of ask if an outside company were doing it, how would they act? >> you choose your behavior and consequences. i chose angola. >> every member of the tv station but one is serving a life sentence. >> i really enjoy it. it's a challenge. i like learning new things. i hope to make a career out of it if i should ever get out of
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prison. >> on a close circumstance be kit system, 24 hours a day, seven days a week, there are religious shows, educational programming, and the most popular of all, sports. >> there's a show called ringside. we go to a prison in louisiana and the boxing team here will book the team there. >> sports keep their mind off of time and few sports are more popular than boxing. it's a paid job, albeit the salary range is only 4 to 20 cents an hour. >> you're doing what you love. i'm a boxer. that's what i love. that's what i'm going to do until the day i die. doing what you love is sort of a freedom. >> it's the rodeo that provides the year's greatest highlights.
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the event takes place on prison grounds in september and twice in april. the stadium holds 10 thourk. all free people coming to see the spectacle. >> it feels like it all just took place. >> inmates in good standing feel like they can participate, no skill required. >> are you nervous, excited? >> i'm a little nervous. >> the inmates also get rewarded for winning rodeo events.
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$80 for riding the bull and cowboy of the year awarded to the highest scoring inmate, gets a championship buckle. >> they are rehabilitated to the point that they can come and mingle with the people. we can have culture change within our prisons that we have here. >> some criticize the events brutality. others say the prisoners don't deserve the excitement of the rodeo. >> for these inmates to participate, they can be king for a day and that's something they never get. some people say, who cares. i say, well, what's one day. >> a great day for a rodeo. >> get set forth event that is indeed unique to angola. >> it's about challenging the
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bull, see who has the biggest, you know -- >> the biggest prize is for guts and glory. the goal? pull a chip off a bull's neck. it's a brutal event and many a man has sacrificed his own blood and bones to take home the $500 prize, worth more than the year's wages. >> genesis chapter 1, god said let us make men and let him have deficiency in the beast of the fear and thank god.
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most of the inmates comply with the program but for those who refuse, the men spend their days in solitary confinement. >> we want to alter their behavior and once they get back out into the population they don't want to commit another rule infraction. maybe an aggravated fight, a fight with a weapon, maybe an assault on staff, maybe for attempting to traffic drugs inside the prison. >> inmates on level one only get out one hour two days a week. if you make it so level 3, you get out three days a week. >> i got busted on this charge on rape and kidnap. i'm not saying that i'm no saint but everybody is like -- everybody did wrong. everybody in this world, be
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stole, lied, killed, they did everything. ain't no crime greater than no other crime on this earth. you've got some inmates that are supposed to be here. you've got some who were supposed to be here. supposed to be locked up in here, not be working here, in here. >> trouble is not hard to find. if you're looking for it, and if you're not careful, trouble will find you. how you feeling? >> norm. >> about norm? >> yes, sir. >> are you ready to eat? >> no, sir, i'm not going to eat anything until i can get some sauce. >> he tried to pass through the program as quickly as possible but then there are some men like billy mccoy who has been in and out of camp jay for a decade.
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>> you were doing well. >> yes, sir. >> i will do everything i can to see if we can get you to ccr but you have to get advanced in the program. >> okay. watch this now. i am. i've always been on track. i will maintain my ability when i am dead and six feet in the ground i will not lose my mental stability. this morning, since you mentioned that, one of your officers, captain dashed a bucket of ice water on me because i won't eat. >> billy -- >> trying to force me into eating. you also would not put -- >> you and i both know that is not true. >> they would not put a trail of food on the tray. it's too severe for me being 63 years old. >> you will be held here until you can get through the program and conduct yourself -- conduct yourself according to the program. >> i'm conducting myself. i'm going to die first. i have been without food for seven days now.
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>> billy mccoy claims he's been on a hunger strike for seven days. he's been on a hunger strike for three days. he'll eat soon. he never stays on very long. he eats a meal and then probably goes on another hunger strit probably right after that meal. >> for those who refuse to cooperate, even the most meeg gar amenities that the camp offers are eliminated. >> one of the sanctions is called a food loaf. a food loaf will be issued to an inmate who has been caught holding food in his cell, holding utensils or cups, that kind of thing in their cell, gets caught throwing food or other objects, he can be put on food loaf. >> basically, you have a serving of everything from every child like for lunch, we have everything on the lunch tray with the ex accepting of dessert will be placed in the food loaf. >> you mix everything up.
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>> is this the result right here. >> for men serving solitary time, keeping their sanity is the hardest challenge. each man has it its own way to stay strong. >> i spend a lot of time. you extend your thought, your thinking ability. a lot of skills from playing chess, it's a thinking game, you know. >> the hardest part of being in a cell 24 hours a day is maintaining your sanity and not letting the pressures get to you. you have a lot of pressures being in this cell, not being able to have the proper spacing and not being able to get out a lot. that's difficult, you know, and it's hard to maintain sanity like that. outside of that, like standing
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on our head in one spot. playing a chess game. >> it's your move. >> two of those guys, i think they probably will be out of camp jay soon. both of them have done well while they've been here. it's all about attitude. we can't help somebody if they don't want to help themselves. but i'm more than willing to help any of them who are willing to make that effort on their own behalf. coming up, two ways out of angol achl. one is hard-earned freedom lurking just beyond the front gate. the other path is death. >> 2,000 pounds on my back. >> it takes about a minute and a half to breathe and then they will stop breathing. can you help me with something? nope! good talk. [ male announcer ] or free windows 8 training when you buy a computer at staples. another way staples makes it easier to upgrade.
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yeah. it's his thing. i don't even participate. boom! here it comes! bring it back! bring it home! [ male announcer ] when you combine creamy velveeta with zesty rotel tomatoes and green chilies, you get a bowl of queso that makes even this get-together better. there are close to 3,000 staff working around the clock to ensure the smooth running of this prison. many call an goal la home.
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the safest town in america. >> each one who lives here like medical here, doctors, emts. >> indeed, angola not only has its own zip code, it also has its own golf course: if the beeline is the safest part of angola, it's the most ominous. executions have been halted awaiting a ruling by the supreme court. in the meantime, the cells have been filling up. >> how are are you doing? >> i'm blessed. >> this is my buddy. you doing good in here? >> yes. >> are you getting used to this cell block? >> well, the cells are larger than the ones we used to have
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over there. >> so you liking it better? >> it's better. much better. >> it is better? >> yes. >> manuel ortiz convicted of killing his wife and her friend has been on the row since 1996. >> if you don't exercise your mind and body you start to deteriorate. we try to use pushups and you mention 14 years in a cage, you take the toll on the body and your mind. >> all right. there's my -- are you still seeing that french woman? is she still writing? >> men who have spent up to two decades here. and while some pursue their cases until the last breath, others would just assume give
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up. >> it's like a 2,000 pound gorilla on my back. it carries a penalty. it's something that is reality. >> until recently, contact visits, a chance for death row inmates have been prohibited. >> let me tell you, these guys have mamas and sisters and grandmas and all of that. i don't think after the executed, i'm pretty passionate about letting them have that contact visit if i know security is going to prevail which you're not doing it as much for them but you're doing it for their family and a lot of people misunderstand that. well, his mother didn't commit the murder, you know, and you have to think about all sides of it when you're making decisions. >> contact visits or not, their time at angola ends at the death house. the method is lethal injection.
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>> you get the shoulder straps on and i'm going to close the curtain and outcome the emts and they are going to start the ivs. we have until 6:00 tonight to do it. there's the two phones and they go to the department of corrections into the governor's mansion but they never ring. i give a signal, nod my head that i'm starting the process and they will start pushing the drugs. and then it takes about a minute and a half to breathe the two breaths usually and then they'll stop breathing. >> if you find a vvein, he got rush and raised up in the straps. i was holding his hand. he wound up having to put my thumb under here and push his shoulder to the table and hold that so the i.v. wouldn't rub on
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the strap and dislodge and at the same time i'm holding his hand. you kind of get in conflict with yourself. you're holding their hand and giving comfort but again i couldn't be there to hold the victim's hand but i would have so you do what you can here. >> warden cain has overseen six executions during his tenure. death by lethal injection might have been temporarily stalled but never falters the population even they dream of freedom. >> i have dreams. >> about two weeks later at this
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time put you on board, because of the nature of your crime which you're never going to change. never. so here i am. with hope and faith. i'm going to die here. >> since death is a reality, most men here must face, the casket shop never lack for work. >> 30 years, you know, the time goes on and people get old and people i've made friends with for 30 years. za warden cain just what you make of it.
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prison, you know, it's a terrible aspect that you have to be away from the people that you love, you know, your family, your children. my daughter wasn't born when i got locked up and now i'm a grandfather. >> some deceased are picked up by family members and buried as free men. for most, there's point lookout. >> definitely bad to die if you're in prison. they have a nice service and they buried. coming up, the battle to keep the prison clean requires a shakedown. sometimes they win, sometimes they don't. >> it's really amazing where
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here's what's happening. more than 100,000 of people remain without power, most on long island, new york. the authority has been under increased pressure to get people back online. president obama paid tribute at arlington national cemetery and laid a wreath at the tomb of the unknowns. i'm veronica de la cruz. let's get you back to "lockup." while the beeline family celebrates the holidays, for many of the inmates it can be a lonely time. >> christmas is hard. people are human, too. they are inmates but they are human. we have to be looking out for mental health issues and things
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around that time. it's depressing. >> i really like christmas. if i stop long enough and think about it, i'll get teary-eyed. but it will pass. january 1st, it will be all over with. >> there is no place in angola where the spirit of christmas is stronger than at the toy shop. the toys are distributed to needy children throughout louisiana. >> what we're going to make for you now is basically all year process. the only time we stop is when we run out of wood. >> this is the best job in prison. it's a lot of fun. it's a time of year you enjoy being in the toy shop.
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when i was small, very seldom did i have any toys. all along the prison i'm still a human being and i love christmas and i love children. it makes us all feel good. when you mount these on here, that's your axis. you can see how the car can ride. okay in now you've got a little car. >> while hard work and faith in god keeps the prison running smoothly, order can cannot be maintained without a shakedown crew in daily pursuit of inmates not wanting to play by the rules. >> kind of random because you've got 18,000 acres to cover. they are in their cells 24 hours
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a day, seven days a week. there's probably not a spot in this cell that something hasn't been found in. it's really amazing where all they can hide stuff. >> do you know we're coming? >> no. >> finding contraband, such as food or nonprisoned approved merchandise can lead to writeups. the less severe have few consequences. the more severe get you back to camp j. random searches are the norm. the odd tip or simply good police work the most effective. >> tips are good. we get a lot of tips. the majority of time we find
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stuff. you just kind of come across it, the right time, right place. >> once upon a time, weapons were required for an inmate to survive. today drugs are the most common contraband found. >> i found a syringe. use that to shoot up with. can't pin it on nobody, you know what i mean, so you just confiscate it and let the warden know about it. >> if i'm talking to you, you need to be straight up with me. don't let me find out different when i leave here. did you have this at your party? >> you know, of course. >> man, don't lie to me. see that right there, that makes me very angry. needles, where are they at? >> needles, i have needles. >> in that wallet. >> i was very close to that. don't do that, okay? don't keep them there. you need to put them somewhere if somebody comes to shake your
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stuff down, you tell them that you have needles in this box. >> that's the only ones that i have right there. >> although needles are not allowed in personal lockers, they rarely result in a writeup. >> what's this for? >> you don't do tattoos, do you? so if i look at the rest of this stuff i'm not going to find parts to make tattoos? >> you're not going to find any parts of anything. >> why do you keep your antenna in your wallet? >> i'm going to check on a few things and get back with you. >> okay. i want to make sure you're telling the truth. >> all right. i'm going to check on some things. >> throw my stuff around and stuff and i'm just living.
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i don't have anything here i'm not supposed to have. all of this is official. >> how do you feel now in. >> i feel violated, man, checking on my tattoos and stuff. like that makes a difference. telling me about my tattoos. this is free where i work. i got this in california. i got this in new or len. i've been around. you know what i'm saying? people playing games. there's nothing here in violation. >> while no contraband turned up in donald logan's shakedown, a pipe made from a pen is found in another dorm. >> it was found in an inmate's box and you can smell it. apparently they have been using it to smoke marijuana. i'm going to take it to the investigators and crack it open and see if they can get residue out of it and test it.
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>> a full-time investigation team has been set up. >> since we don't have the red, it could have been positive for marijuana but it's inconclusive. >> just because it didn't test positive doesn't mean it wasn't being used for narcotics. once it's burned and smoked, it's harder to test than something that hasn't been burned. >> but he'll still be charged with contraband for the ink pen because he used it for an other source than what he's supposed to use it for. >> that is marijuana. >> the investigation unit is lead by retired police officer. >> we're a unit within this prison. we investigate everything involving the correctional officers as well as the inmates.
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that's everything from, you know, stealing back con to murd >> while a certain contraband is brought in from prisoners, most come through from relationships. >> most come from wives, family members, inside their false teeth, body cavities. there's all kinds of ways that they can bring it in. if the dogs don't hit on it at the gate and it goes through, we have no mechanism to stop that. if it's positive, it will be the same color or close to the same color than what you see on that package. it will be a red. as soon as she breaks, it happens. see that? so this is some good stuff. very merry christmas and absolutely happen knee new year. coming up, 6,000 inmates trapped in after new orleans is
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for every man who ends his life in angola, there are dozens ready to take his place. each week, a new shipment arrives. >> 1295. >> most come to spend the rest of their days behind bars. but since katrina damaged prisons in new orleans, a whole new group, mostly parole violators and men awaiting sentencing get to pay a visit. >> i'm coming from jefferson
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parish. i'm on a parole violation. it happens. >> in the days following katrina, 6,000 inmates were trapped in orleans perish prison. wolfred martin was one of them. >> when the levees broke, the prisons were under water. no guards, we didn't know where they were at. we were just stuck on the fourth floor and that's when we rerealized we're stuck here. >> five days after the hurricane hit, they were rescued by warden cain and his team. >> the water was coming up, barely got through with water and we came right down here to this underpass and right here
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was a man laying dead. we put the scaffold right here and you can see the rope still there and inmates would climb down the scaffold and we'd line them unon the road, about 6,000. probably the largest mass movement obviously of inmates in the country. we were putting boats in the water and run them all the way around here. meanwhile, the folks on top -- at first they threw stuff at us. it's still right here. are remember that? that's a spear. >> transported by boat and then bus, close to 2,000 parish prisoners ended up at angola, some perhaps victims of bad luck. >> i'm from toledo, ohio. we were on a long vacation, about 35 days traveling across country where i have a time share in mexico. we came back through arizona and texas where i was looking for property. we went to new orleans, to
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bourbon street. i fell down and we were picked up by the police. i've been here 21 days. first few days we were in the new orleans county jail. we were left without food or water for three days. riots broke out. there were people breaking windows, starting fires, most of us were afraid that we were going to die there it was so horrible. water was up to our shoulders by the time they got us out of there. they put us in small boats, took us to this bridge area. i saw my friend for about two minutes. first thing he said to me, this is a goddamn nightmare. >> a nightmare for some. for others, including the first women inmates to sleep at angala in 44 years, a blessing. >> i was so sore i could berry walk. they put me in a boat to come
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out of there. we had that much water to drink in three days and one sandwich. the warden came and got us and put us all like in a little fishing boat and took us under the bridge. he gave us water, fed us. >> what is the lesson learned? >> stay the hell out of jail. >> sadly, in the years since katrina, crime has skyrocketed in new orleans and the prisons are fuller than ever. >> can't go back to the same crime you had when you come out five years in prison because you're going to go back and do the same thing and that's where i ended up, just going back and thinking everything is cool, trying to make up for the lot of years when actually i should have been moving forward with my life and focusing more on me being a father to my little girl. this is a transition. i've got my verdict now. i'm on a mission. i hear my mind praying that i should have listened but i
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wouldn't listen and locked in this block here to rot in another prison. ♪ >> more rehabilitation is the only true rehabilitation. we teach them the skills and trades to read, write, and all of that but we just make a smarter criminal unless we have a moral component. >> accused of some by turning this into a prison revival camp, the warden cain has a response. >> one guy brought up the separation of church and state and i said don't let your inflection built make you ineffective. we don't care what religion you are. this is an island of freedom and we get them in here and we can work on him being a more moral person and our recidivism rates go down which equals less crime. if we save one, it's worth it all. one is worth it. and so no one, no one in his
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right mind would object to trying to have morality in a prison. this is an idiot. coming up on "lockup: angola" -- >> how long have you been here? >> -- time at angola runs out for two men. one walks, the other stays forever. maybe new buildings? what about updated equipment? they can help, but recent research shows... ... nothing transforms schools like investing in advanced teacher education. let's build a strong foundation. let's invest in our teachers so they can inspire our students. let's solve this. this reduced sodium soup says it may help lower cholesterol, how does it work? you just have to eat it as part of your heart healthy diet.
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stability when i'm dead and six feet in the ground. >> one day later, he died. no one came to claim his body. >> though no family could be contacted, mccoy will be at point lookout at the prison cemetery by volunteers of point lookout project. who soberly understand in doing so friends and volunteers may be doing the same for them one day. >> is there anybody else that would like to share something they knew of billy mccoy at this time? anybody else? >> defiant until the end, billy, better known by his name naickn "understanding" left a strong impression on his fellow inmates. >> a lot of people didn't understand-understand him because of his unique way of understanding things. but i -- on a more serious note,
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i think the common denominator we all had with mr. billy mccoy is mr. mccoy died in prison. that's a fate a lot of us could have to undergo if situations, circumstances don't change. i think we all want to leave a legacy, but we have the opportunity to leave a legacy starting right here today. change some of the things we're doing. how we think. wro you know? i just want to encourage you brothers, you know, stay focused, stay diligent. look forward to the future. when it's all said and done, people can have something good to say about it when it's all said and done. >> amen. ♪ hallelujah by and by ♪ i'll fly away ♪ oh, i'll fly away old glory >> i would just like to say that
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you all need to let this be an example to your own life. because his life is here and his life has now gone to be with the father, so let this be testimony for the rest of you in his memory that we conduct ourselves as we should and we conduct ourselves as moral people and we perpetuate that throughout this whole community and not let him die in vain. >> earth to earth. a ashes to ashes. and dust to dust. ♪ >> while one man is buried, another man gets a second chance. >> how you doing, warden? >> how you doing? >> are you happy today? >> happiest man in prison today. >> all right, ricky, ready to go? send you out. >> right now? >> right now. right now. >> i'm going to pick up my stuff. >> what do you think about all
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this? >> oh, man, it's great, man. i've been waiting on this so long. >> 44 years. >> long time, warden. >> how does it feel to be innocent. >> well, you can't think about it, warden. when you know you're innocent and you should think about it, it kind of messes with your head. all you do is just try to work on getting out. >> ricky johnson was cleared of rape based on dna evidence. he was serving a life sentence. >> what do you think about the innocence project? >> oh, man, i love them. >> you love them, huh? >> i love them, warden. i love them. >> they tid ydid you a good thi. i think it's horrible when a fellow has to be in prison when he's innocent. the transfer is in my office. that's why i come back here to tell you. congratulations. you got 24 years here with us you didn't need to have, but, you know, you're going free.
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congratulations. >> thank you. >> before stepping into the free world, ricky says good-bye to his brother, frederick. he is serving a life sentence for murder. >> i ain't got them pictures, man. >> i tole you i was going. >> i had a dream about two days ago, that you were home. >> what was in the dream? >> like, you know, that he went home. a dream that he -- somebody said, your brother's gone. >> you thought i was going to sneak out of here on you? >> i thought you were gone. >> you knew i wasn't going to leave here without seeing you. you're my little brother. i love you, man. >> i'm glad to see you go, man.
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>> i might be gone out of prison but not gone out of your life. don't think i'm going out of your life. >> take care of yourself, man. >> i'll take care. >> we're going to interrupt this service for one moment. this dj, the spin doctor kicking it from the station that kicks behind the bricks. the only incarceration station in the nation. we got somebody here want to just say hello to everybody and actually he want to say good-bye. rick, how long you been here? >> i been here 24 years. i been here ever since 1984. been locked up 27 years. >> rick you've been saying all awhile you was innocent. >> yeah, saying it from the first day. they tried to get me to say i was guilty and give me ten years but i couldn't lie. i couldn't say i did something i didn't do. it was nice being with you all
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that i didn't really want. >> amen. >> i get to depart. on out of here. dna cut me loose. and i just want to say good-bye to inmate population. everybody in camp f., camp d., camp c., keep your head up, don't lose hope. one day it will be you walking out this gate. >> remember, one. one. knife at the throat, gun in the face. if we save one, it's worth everything we do. one little girl, one mama not murdered or raped. just one daddy. it's worth everything we do.
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