due to mature subject matter, viewer discretion is advised. why did you hit an officer? >> i plead the fifth. >> we have now been tasked to go in that dorm and restore order. >> the jail responds with force after an officer is assaulted and inmates attempt escape. >> how many times did you shoot him? >> 10, 12 times. you know, it's horrifying. it's very traumatic. >> an 18-year-old shoots her father to death and finds a

surrogate mother on the inside. >> when she walked in, she was scared to death, shaking. so i just have been taking care of her, showing her the ropes. >> let's get ready for a shower. >> okay. >> you're just going to have to take my word for it. >> somebody has threatened to flood the walk. >> another inmate, not normally known for trouble, issues a vile threat. and two other inmates provide a cautionary tale for fathers and sons everywhere. >> i was out, when i was 7. you call another man daddy, so i'm saying, who's supposed to be getting mad? in downtown louisville,

kentucky, two adjoining buildings serve as the center of the county's criminal justice system. they house both the courts and the louisville metro department of corrections jail. on any given day, about 2,300 men and women are incarcerated here. most have only been accused of crimes and are awaiting trial for the resolution of their cases. it can be a tense environment, as inmates and the officers who supervise them, know all too well. >> here in this facility, you're looking at a couple of officer assaults a month. that's jailwide. we try to train our people to be prepared to deal with any type of situation that comes up. any day you come to work, you put yourself at risk. >> today is one of those times. >> an officer got assaulted up there. >> by who? >> by a ymt. they're putting him in the chair now. >> j-4 is on lockdown until further notice.

j-4 is on lockdown until further notice. no movement in that area unless authorized. >> we've had an officer get assaulted up on the fourth floor. they had the inmate under control, and they're placing him in a restraint chair. >> officers use pepper spray to subdue inmate marquel white, who is in jail on a murder charge, to which he has pled not guilty. he will remain strapped into the restraint chair for up to two hours until officers feel it is safe to return him to his cell. >> that's the second assault in a week on that floor, inmate to officer. that dorm has a lot of young and aggressive inmates. >> you all right? >> yeah, i'm good. i was putting two guys that were coming back from gym in there. as soon as the door from 5-b opened up, an inmate steps out and cold-cocked me. >> you've got a pretty good bump. >> my jaw's a little bit sore, but it's good now. i kneed him.

>> what's going on with you and the officer? >> nothing. >> why did you hit an officer? i just walked through that dorm, and everything seemed to be going fine, and then my officer goes into the dorm, and as soon as the door opens up, you hit one. i'm trying to figure out why. >> i'm pleading the fifth. my other eye. >> which eye? >> this left one. >> i can see your injury. >> it's part of the job. >> during the assault, several inmates in white's dorm tried to rush the door, which staff view as an escape attempt. >> the door on camera was observed, several of them covering their faces, picking up what could be a weapon, possibly. so we've activated a s.o.r.t. team. >> all right. >> s.o.r.t. is the special operations response team. >> we have now been tasked to go in that dorm and restore order.

get the key. wait for the phone call. >> got it! >> all right. >> every situation is different. the biggest concerns and threats right now is we don't know who's involved, we don't know what they have, we don't know if this was planned. there's just too many unknowns. so we're going to use a lot of manpower and whatever tools we have. this has to be done fast and safe. s.o.r.t. is going to suit up in their full gear, helmet, body armor, vest. we're going to take the pepper launcher, the container for crowd control. we're going to take flexi-cuffs due to the number of them, taser shield. >> any eyes on them? >> the camera. >> because of the potential to lose control of the floor, it's a very dangerous situation. >> stand by. >> what we're going to do, we're going to put them all in flexi-cuffs. >> okay.

we're going to go in, order them all on the ground. anybody that doesn't want to comply with the orders, we know that's where our attention needs to be focused at. >> due to safety concerns, the s.o.r.t. team would not permit us to enter the dorm. but we were able to shoot the raid off control room monitors as it took place. >> they're going in right now. they had everybody go on the ground and they're flexi-cuffing all the inmates on the ground. they're searching these guys individually and then placing them on the floor facing the wall until they've searched all the inmates, and they'll stay in that area until they've completed their search of the dorm. >> with the dorm secured, our crew is allowed back inside. >> get them searched, and now we're searching for weapons and contraband to make sure we got people looking at the dvr trying to identify the main perpetrators. >> once they shake down the entire dorm, they're able to identify the ringleaders of the incident, they're going to be moved to single cells, administrative segregation. they will not be returning to that dorm.

>> this ain't right! >> this is [ bleep ] up, man. see how they got us laid out. >> it ain't right for real. [ bleep ] these, [ bleep ]. that's how i feel. >> these inmates are obviously still agitated, but as of right now, everything's gone the way we've planned it. >> officers remove a number of inmates they suspect rushed the door and isolate them in single person cells in the administrative segregation unit for further questioning. the inmates remaining in the dorm are placed on 24-hour lockdown. among them is brian edmond sr. >> right now my life is kind of off track, you know what i'm saying? i just had a rough life throughout my whole 36 years of living. >> i was doing good in school,

straight as and bs. i played basketball. i don't know. i just chose the wrong route, and this is where it landed me. >> mr. brian edmonds sr., let me look at his charges. sodomy first, intimidating a participant in a legal process, he was sentenced to 30 years. >> having been sentenced, edmonds now awaits transfer to prison, a place he is familiar with. he's been there on three separate occasions, serving a total of 14 years. >> i'm tired of being in this jail. i can't wait to get away from here and go to my next phase, so i can get ready to, you know, get my appeal done. >> although no stranger to prison, he does find himself in unusual circumstances here. housed in a cell on another floor at the jail is his 18-year-old son, brian edmonds jr., who has been charged with two counts of murder. he has pled not guilty.

>> we ain't got no real close relationship, because i've been locked up off and on, so i ain't never been there for him growing up. but he know i love him and he loves me, but we ain't really had no like father/son relationship. it was more like a friendship. and if he was convicted of it, the blame would be on me, because i ain't never been there. you know what i'm saying? i take his charge if they were to let me. i would do his time, because i don't want to see him go through nothing like this. >> coming up -- >> so then you're following in your father's footsteps? >> i don't even know him to follow in his footsteps. i get offended when people say that. >> brian edmonds jr. has some words for his father. stay the hell out of my face. >> ain't nothing he can do to change my circumstance but stay the hell out of my face. >> and an 18-year-old takes her father's life. >> i just remember grabbing a gun and i just pointed it at,

you know, just aimed it right at his head.

at the louisville metro department of corrections jail, every staff person is aware that violence can break out anytime, and sometimes it will be directed at them. the latest assault occurred when marquel white punched an officer as he entered white's housing unit. >> he basically sucker punched the officer when he came in the dorm, which resulted in several other disturbances in the dorm. >> white, who is currently in jail awaiting trial for murder, has been moved to a single-person disciplinary segregation cell and put on s.o.r.t. status, the highest security designation in the entire jail. for now, he will be locked up 23 hours a day, lose all his privileges, and have little more to do than exercise or sleep. >> what did you do? what did you do to officer hamilton?

>> i hit him. i hit him. i don't know. at the end of the day, i came out [ bleep ] up, maced, choked out, you know? and some chair -- what's that chair called? >> restraint chair. >> restraint chair. >> hey, let me talk to you real quick, all right? what's going on? i want to talk to you a little bit what happened last night. i want to get your side. >> i just got fed up. >> so what are you feeling like today? >> i'm feeling good. >> you know a disciplinary officer will be seeing you in a couple of days. because of that, you'll be made to s.o.r.t. move for a while. i'll be by to see you, and we'll be reviewing you every two or three weeks for s.o.r.t. status, all right? all right, well, i'll be talking

to you. >> all right. >> montgomery! >> white says he lashed out at the officer because he felt disrespected. >> i hate getting handled like a little boy, and i hate being disrespected. >> how do you feel you were disrespected? >> when he talks to me any kind of way, you know? but i showed him the utmost respect. you know, i talk to them in a mannerable way. and if they don't talk back mannerable, it's just a lot of little things, you know? and i just got fed up with it. >> could you ever foresee you doing that again? >> no one knows what the future holds. >> the future is cloudy for brian edmonds jr. as well. he's currently in segregation for fighting another inmate, and it's not the first time his fists have put him here. >> i tried to calm down from fighting as much, but it hurts, you know, a lot of times your hands get forced. i mean you got too many chiefs, not enough indians in here, if you know what i mean.

i need a different environment. that's why i'm always fighting and stuff like that. because people always want that drama with me. >> it's the kind of drama the jail doesn't want. staff has compiled a list of keep-froms or inmates that must be kept away from edmonds jr. this list of his potential enemies makes it hard for the jail to house him. >> all right. continue. >> brian edmonds, he was recently put on admin seg. >> is this junior or senior? >> junior. >> once a month, chief of staff duane clark and his senior personnel conduct a meeting to review the inmates housed in single-person segregation cells throughout the jail. >> the purpose of this meeting is to make sure that we have the right people in those cells, those single cells. single cells are a premium item in the department here. >> edmonds has an excessive keep-from list now and continued behavioral issues. >> do we need to follow up with him and get an evaluation done

from a mental health standpoint? >> you can, but he's more behavioral. >> okay. well, do one on him anyway and see what you come up with, lee. >> while staff members focus on their behavior in jail, edmonds jr. say his thoughts are mostly on what brought him here. he is charged with two counts of murder, to which he has pled not guilty. >> i'm just going to put it like this. i'm facing the death penalty, so i'm fighting for my life. i'm 18, and they're trying to take my life. and i done had a rough life. you know, growing up in the projects. i ain't never really had no stable home for real, bouncing all around the city. the streets raised me. they said experience is life's greatest teaching, and that's the only thing i ever had to learn from. i ain't never really had no role models. and no one to show me the opposite way. and now i'm caged in. >> there's no telling if the presence of a role model could have prevented edmonds from ending up in jail on his current

charges, but the void left by his father's lengthy prison stays remains an open wound, one made more painful by where his father now resides. >> my dad is on the fourth floor. he just got 30 years, though. he's been in the penitentiary all my life, anyways, so it doesn't phase me. >> so then you are following in your father's footsteps? >> i don't even know him to follow in his footsteps. i get offended when people say that. i've got to know him, i've got to know who he is. i was already out running around the projects. i don't deal with him at all. i don't deal with him. it's too late to turn back. ain't nothing he can do to change my circumstance, you know, but stay the hell out of my face. i take total responsibility for anything i do. i'm never going to sit here and say, ah, if my daddy would have raised me different, because it is what it is. i'm going to take responsibility for any position that i put myself in. you know, and i feel

like in order for me to better myself, i've got to look at it as, it's my fault. and i feel like that's what's going to help me develop me into a man. you know, not just no man by age but a man mentally. you know. >> coming up -- >> for real, bro, i really don't have to go through this. >> i don't give a [ bleep ] about you. >> he's just trying to make it one-sided. >> the edmonds struggle to reconcile the past in what could be the final meeting of their lives. but first, a vulnerable young inmate encounters a surrogate mom. >> i just immediately take her under my wing and show her what to look for. i mean, there's lesbian activity that goes on. t beef. it's swanson flavor boost. concentrated broth to add delicious flavor to your skillet dish in just one stir. mmm! [ female announcer ] cook, meet compliments. get recipes at flavorboost.com.

the intake division at the louisville metro department of corrections jail is rarely quiet. as new arrestees from all over the city and county are brought here for booking.as new arreste the city and county are brought here for booking. as new arrestees from all over the city and county are brought here for bookinas new arrestees over the city and county are brought here for booking.the city and c brought here for bookinhere for booking. while most will bond out, many others will be detained in jail indefinitely, until their charges are resolved in court.

>> put everything in that bag. >> just hours earlier, 18-year-old danielle carmag became one of the newest and youngest inmates to be assigned to bed here. carmag was arrested for a probation violation. her original conviction was second-degree manslaughter. two years earlier, she killed her father. >> i just remember, you know, just grabbing a gun, and i just pointed it at -- just aimed it right at his head. yes, my intentions were to kill him at that moment. so i shot him multiple times to the back of the head. i know it's hard for some people to grasp, but when you're up against a wall and in fear for your life, there's no telling what you would do, there's no telling what you are capable of. >> carmack lived alone with her father. according to court records, social workers had filed reports of abuse in the home. >> the night before we get in an argument and then he starts hitting me, starts pulling my hair, starts punching my face,

blacks my eyes, bloodies my nose and finally he throws up his hands and goes to bed. my heart is beating out of my chest. i'm shaking. >> carmack said when the abuse continued the following morning, she felt her life was in danger. she picked up her father's gun and shot him in the back of the head as he sat on the couch. >> how many times did you shoot him? >> 10, 12 times. i mean, it's horrifying. it's very traumatic. it is very -- it's something i dream about. i'll have to live with that for the rest of my life. >> carmack says not all memories of her father are negative. >> my dad, he would take me places. you know, we'd go out to the movies sometimes, he would take me to concerts. that's one thing we did get along about, ac/dc is like our band. he introduced me to it, and i've been listening to it since probably the day i was born because he even said he used to bounce me around in my mom's stomach with the radio turned up and ac/dc playing. i loved him, he was my father, that's who he was, and i'll always love him and miss him. >> several hours after the

shooting, carmack turned herself in to the police. originally charged with murder, she eventually pled guilty to second-degree manslaughter and was sentenced to eight years in prison. she spent most of the following year in a juvenile detention facility and was released to a halfway house on probation shortly after turning 18. carmack violated her probation by not taking her medication. >> i told my director that i stopped taking my medication because it wasn't helping me. and i need counseling and stuff like that. that's when, you know, my probation officer, she comes in a little bit after that and she tells her that i stopped taking my medication and i refuse to take my medication. and that's when she put the cuffs on me. it's not that i refused not to take my medication. i would have took my medication if i would have known all of this was going to happen. >> a judge will eventually review the matter and could send carmack to an adult prison to searching the remainder of her eight-year sentence. it marks her first time inside an adult facility.

>> what are you reading? >> a handbook. >> a fact that has not been lost on sherry electee. >> ready to go learn your number? >> sure. >> who is helping carmack to adjust. >> when she walked in, she was scared to death, shaking. so i immediately grabbed her, stayed up with her last night, showing her the ropes. around this way, danielle. >> in my case right now, i need to trust someone. because i feel like i got nobody. i just got myself. i know in jail, it's not the ideal place to find someone, because they're out for theirselves. that's where i met sherry and she basically came in and just like took me under her wing. >> reporter: electee is serving one year for failing to pay child support and is awaiting trial on a variety of drug-related charges to which she has pled not guilty. >> hit one five times, then you wait and there'll be a pause. and it'll tell you what to do from there, okay? you can find out your commissary information. i've been in jail numerous times, in and out. and, unfortunately, i know the ropes.

that's not something i'm proud of. >> we'll have to get you a new bracelet. come on. >> okey-doke. >> i'm going to need him. i'm going to need to talk to you. >> they can charge you with escape. you don't want to go to the hole, honey. >> she needs a new bracelet. hers tore and she's having to carry it around and i don't want her to get in trouble. >> okay, i'll get her a new one. >> thank you! >> all right. >> i've got six kids, five boys and one girl. she's 18, my youngest is 18. i can just imagine him walking in here, you know. he would have the same look, probably, as she did. >> somebody pulled it off. >> hey, is that danielle's bracelet? >> yes, danielle carmack! >> there you go, baby. >> they are preyed upon and that's why i did it. take her under my wing and show her immediately what to look for. i mean, there's lesbian activity that goes on. more experienced women taking advantage of a naive girl.

>> i'm going to be the devil's advocate. how do we know you're not going to prey upon danielle? >> you're just going to have to take my word for it. i'm not. >> not what? >> going to prey upon the young and naive, no. i'm trying to help her. i think god put it in my heart to. now, whatever you do, do not take this off for anything? okay, baby? because you can get in a lot of trouble for that. okay? >> okay. >> let's get you ready for a shower. >> okay. >> coming up -- >> there's a lot of people hating on you, so you need to chill out, okay? >> okay. >> eat. >> new tensions threaten the relationship between sherry lekty and danielle carmack. >> everything that was said today, i don't know if i can continue to trust her or not. all that was said. >> he's threatening to throw urine on us. >> an inmate not normally known for trouble finds himself knee deep in it.

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flood the walk because he didn't get an additional tray at chow, even though he's not medically ordered to have one. he's threatening to throw urine on us. >> put your hands behind your back. >> when officers arrive at his cell, the inmate complies with orders. >> there you go. >> roll the door! >> we're going to move him to a quieter location. he'll be in there all by himself and his food slot is welded shut, so he won't have any access to throw urine or whatever on officers. >> this is why we're doing this. there's a cup of urine right there. >> so the officer came in, and he said, i've got a cup filled full of urine and said, i'm going to throw it on you. >> is that unusual he actually warned the officer? >> no, because the problem will be when the warn something not taken serious, because

then he always says, i told you i was going to do it. so we act proactively rather than reactively on this one and it works out better for everybody. >> the inmate who made the threats, anthony kimbly, was recently moved to segregation after an incident that had occurred two weeks earlier. as inmate marquel white launched an assault on officer hamilton, several inmates rushed the door of the housing unit. kimbley was reported to be among them. up until then, he was a model inmate. >> i never cause problems. just cool down. >> if everything's all right -- >> he's going through some personal issues, he said. so he says he's going to be quiet the rest of the night for you. >> good. that's what we need. >> we'll see. >> kimbly is currently in jail, awaiting trial for murder. he has pled not guilty, but lately he's been dealing with another death. >> i'm dealing with a big loss right now. you know, my daddy died. i feel like, you know, everything is ending. >> how did your father die?

>> he got smoked. he got smoked. but it was last wednesday. and my dad didn't have a relationship like a real bond. he had other kids he took care of, you know? he ain't never took care of me. but at the same time, i ain't hold that against him. i still got love for him. he ain't nothing but 39 -- 38 years old. he's still young. >> kimbly may now face more time in segregation due to this latest incident. but staff can take his prior good behavior into account before making that decision. marquel white, however, was given 60 days in segregation where he is locked in a one-man cell 23 hours a day and has lost all privileges, including gym and visitation. he is on day 14 of his stay. >> how's it been going in here? >> it's all right, man. it's all right sometimes. sometimes it's all right.

it's stressful, not being out there. you know what i mean. what i really learn is i need to get out there to my son. that's the only thing that really stresses me out. is i want to seriously be a father figure because i know what it feels like to not have a father. i don't want to see him do the same thing. >> you didn't have a father? >> i had one, but, you know, in and out. right now, i'm following in his foot steps. you know what i mean? >> when was the last time you got to touch your child? >> i ain't. >> you've never touched your child? >> huh-uh. so i'm trying to stay sane, man. trying to calm down. >> it's been several months since brian edmonds has touched or spoken to his son, brian jr., who is incarcerated one floor below him. >> when he first got locked up, we used to come out and visit together. but we had an argument in here

and they put keep-aways on us. so i just want him to know that i'm sorry that i ain't never been there because i know that's the reason why he's going through what he's going through. so i want to basically apologize for never being there. >> the two men might not have much time left to reconcile. edmonds sr. is about to leave the jail to start a 30-year prison sentence. edmonds jr. is charged with murder and could get the death penalty if found guilty. when told of his father's apology, he was surprised. >> it was just so hard to believe for me. you know, i'll be 19 this year. that's the most probably mature thing i've heard my daddy say. i ain't never heard him keep it real. him taking responsibility is just like unbelievable. that's a major move in his life. it makes me feel like he do kind of give a damn now. i mean, i just want to see him say it, you know. i would love to be right there and hear him say, you know, man, i blame myself for what you're going through. i don't know, i guess it

would change how i look at a lot of things in life, really. it would help me get rid of a lot of hatred in my heart that i've always had towards my daddy. >> coming up, the edmonds give their relationship what could be its final chance. >> what's going on? but first -- >> when i say stop talking about it, you need to stop talking about it. >> a different sort of parental relationship hits a nerve. >> i wasn't expecting somebody to just come out and say that, but i should have known. so, what hap

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juvenile facility before being released to a halfway house. she's in jail now for a parole violation and has come to rely on sherry lekty for guidance. >> they're going to bring in another sandwich and stuff, but you can start on this. >> no, i'm good. you need to -- >> you're starving. eat. >> i just woke up. >> but recently the friendship has grown noticeably strained. lekty believes carmack is making a mistake by revealing details of her case to other inmates. >> which we need to discuss that, danielle. you need to quit. i told you you need to stop talking about your charges. i was eating breakfast and you were still talking about your charges of your case. you can stop it. >> i feel like it's my business and i'm grown. like i'm 18. i mean, i know it's still young, but like i kind of see you trying to look out for me. i really don't know what i'm trying to say, honestly. >> well, i'm going to tell you right now, there's a lot of people in here, and i'm talking

about a lot of people that are hating on you and your case, and they're saying they're tired of hearing about it, they're saying that you're changing your story. i mean, this is not the place. when i tell you -- i'm trying to help you. i'm trying to look out for you. when i say stop talking about it, you need to stop talking about it. something bad's going to happen, danielle. you need to realize that. this ain't little kid juvenile place. this is bigger. it's time you grew up. >> somebody going to show up at your case, baby, use the stuff against you. trust me, it happens in here. >> people are not going to like the fact that you killed your father. you know what i'm saying? it's between you and god. i'm just an inmate, you don't have to convince me, you don't have to convince anybody in here. >> i'm not my charge, by no means. you have to get to know me. it's like that saying, judge me, and i'll prove you wrong because i am not in charge by no means at all. >> well, i can see that. i can see, you know, but i'm not

everybody in here. >> i know. >> there's a lot of people hating on you, so you need to chill out, okay? >> okay. >> eat. >> i think mainly what it is, people are not liking the fact that she killed her father, and she's finding that -- don't get me wrong, danielle, because i love you with all my heart, she's finding it very easy to talk about. if i shot my dad ten times in the head, and there's more to it that she's told me, if it's true, i couldn't sit here calmly and talk to you or anybody else. couldn't do it. but she's -- i'm not her. i didn't experience it, and i hope to god i never do. but that's why they're hating on her. they're trying to figure out how she can sit here and talk about it over and over and it don't bother her. >> everything that was said today, like,

questionable if i can continue to trust her or not, because all that was said. it just caught me by surprise, really. i wasn't expecting someone to just come out and say that, but i should have known, really, before i started opening my mouth and start talking about it and stuff like that. >> are you okay? >> yeah, i'm fine. >> i think i'll just keep to myself and just do me until i leave, stay out of the way, stay out of trouble, avoid people, everything. >> i think i'm just trying to toughen you up in case you do go to prison, because when you go to prison, it's going to be a lot harder. and there isn't going to be someone that's going to take you in and look out for you. you need to prepare yourself. you seem very, very upset with me. >> no, i'm just eating and i just woke up. >> the next time we checked in with carmack, she informed us she no longer wished to speak on camera. and while her relationship with lekty appeared to have frayed, anthony kimbly apparently wants to repair his relationship with jail staff. >> i've never had a problem with you, so it was hard for me to

expect that out of you. >> he was recently moved to a more secure cell after threatening to throw a cup of urine at an officer. >> we moved him to a quieter location to give him some peace and quiet and get his thoughts together because normally mr. kimbly never gives me a problem ever. i was actually quite surprised to find out that he was kicking the door and threatening to throw urine. >> go ahead and have a seat. i'll open the door so i can hear you. >> kimbly says he's been upset over the recent death of his father. >> i understand you're acting out because you're upset over some personal issues. >> i just needed somebody to sit down and talk to. and i feel like i couldn't just sit down and talk to anybody. >> right. it's a very stressful time, especially when you lose somebody and you can't leave to go do anything about it. you can't leave to go comfort your family like you want. and it's hard on you. i just figure by putting you in here, i'll give you some peace and quiet. >> i feel like letting some of

that stress off by beating this door. >> you should roll your mat up and beat your mat. punch your mat if you need to. you won't hurt your hands or feet doing that, not like you will kicking this steel door. one thing i could suggest you do is get paper, sit down and write all your stuff out on paper. it helps a lot. trust me, it does. because it helps you release it, get it out, and you're putting it on paper, so you can go back later and read it. >> i never thought about that. >> yeah, try doing that all your feelings, how you feel, everything. >> it's like writing rap or a poem pore a story. >> yeah, a story, and it really does help. and that's a really nice way of releasing what you have inside. >> and you'll read the story? >> yeah, i'll come and read it. >> i'll most definitely going to write a story. >> okay. >> appreciate you coming too. >> you're welcome. thank you, mr. kimbly, for not being all disruptive for me and everything else, okay? i just figured i'd give you some peace and quiet. i figured that's what you needed. >> yeah. >> okay.

and i'll come back and talk to you. >> okay. >> thank you. >> okay. thank you. with most of the inmates that don't cause any problems, i will kind of try to go out of my way to spend time talking to them. he was all excited about writing everything down so he could show it to me later on. so that kind of boosted his little attitude, so he's a little bit happier at the moment. i don't think we're going to have a problem with him kicking the door or anything at all. >> coming up -- >> why do you act like i ain't never tried or anything. even when i lived with you. >> we fought almost every day. >> you didn't mind nobody but your mother. >> did you expect anything different? >> from inside the walls of jail, a father and son provide a lesson for all parents.

on any given day, more than 2,000 men and women are incarcerated at the louisville metro department of corrections jail. most are working on their cases,

hoping to clear their names and go free. today, however, two inmates, brian edmonds jr. and his father brian edmonds sr. will attempt to clear long-lingering emotional wounds. edmonds jr. who can be sentenced to death if found guilty, allowed officials to give him a final visit with his father, who will soon transfer to state prison to start a 30-year sentence. the request was approved. >> it really might be the last time i'll get to see him for a while. what's up, baby? >> what's happening? what's going on with you? >> well, let me tell you something before i started the conversation. i already told him from the get-go, i don't blame you for nothing. i you know what i'm saying

i chose the path i took? i chose to do what i wanted to do. but at the same time, i just want to know what i'm saying. if you could have done anything different, what would you have done? >> it would have been a whole lot different. i would have chose a different route, so you wouldn't end up in the situation that you was in. you follow in the same footsteps as me and your uncle. i'm tired, every time i look up, you in the hole. i'm sick of the fighting. i mean, that bothers me. i'm saying, i know you can handle your own but i mean never knowing when something serious is going to happen to you, and that's frustrating. that's very frustrating. >> i mean, it's frustrating to me that you just got 30 years, you know? and then, you know, we always had a friendship, but we didn't have no father/son relationship. you know what i'm saying? when you got locked up, you talk a whole lot of sense, you don't want this, you don't want that. but you ain't never demonstrated that. put it like this. if we was both to get out today,

what do you feel like you could do to help plea or even if we don't never get out, you got 30 years, they just offered me 30 years not too long ago. if i get 30 years, what do you feel like you can do to develop this, like you never was, or what you want to be. say i'm willing to listen or learn or whatever. or take whatever. >> why you act like i ain't never tried though. >> which one -- explain to me. >> even when i live with you. >> we fought almost every day. >> if i whoop you, what was you doing? you tried to make it seem like i was just fighting you, nah. i'm saying, you didn't mind nobody but your mother. but what am i supposed to do? >> did you expect anything different? >> no, i never expected anything different from not being there. >> i doepn't remember ever bein loved. remember the first christmas we had together. you remember that? when you started crying? >> listen, the first christmas. the first time we really spent christmas together. i felt like that meant something to me. i was a kid, probably about 12. that was the first time i ever

felt like you ever really loved me. other than that, i ain't never had -- i don't know what the hell love is. i would rather have not had shoes, clothes, all that materialistic [ bleep ] and just have my mom and my daddy. that's how i feel. i wish i would have had my mom and my daddy, and i feel like i would have been all right. i would have had some morals and principles. you know what i'm saying? that's why i'm so angry. it's stuff i never had. >> moments later, edmonds jr. brings up his father's recent relationship with another woman and her young daughter. >> and you're on the phone telling her you love her and her child. >> no, i wasn't even talking to her, so you -- >> you love her and her child. >> i write you every day -- hold, hold, hold. >> listen issue i'm trying to finish. >> no, because you ain't going to go through all of that. i write you every day, and every letter i write you, i tell you that i love you.

you never tell me you love me. don't try to make it seem like i told the girl that i love her. >> you told her, period! you told her, period! >> i'm saying, what do a child have to do with it? >> that ain't your child. you weren't there for me when i was 6 and 7. >> you weren't. >> i was out when you were 7. >> you called another man daddy. so who is supposed to be getting mad? >> who was with my mom when you went to prison? >> that don't matter. that was your mama's choice. >> who was with my mama when you were in the penitentiary. >> listen, i only did this interview because you said you want to do it. >> i don't give a [ bleep ] about you. >> he's trying to make it one-sided it. >> i told him i don't even blame you. >> brian sr., he's angry. >> he's supposed to be. i mean i get frustrated when i think about it because i already know the majority of the situation has got something to do with me not being there, and it's hard knowing he could possibly end up with the death penalty. it's hard to even think about it.

i always wanted to be there to help him, but i mean, whcih is sad to say, i let his mama basically run me away. and for a long time, i had a grudge against her because she had another baby. that stopped me from being around him because of that and i should have never done it, but i felt like that was the only way for me to get even with her. and when i got out and he was calling him daddy, that was real touching. >> did you blame me for that? >> no, i blamed your mama. i mean i'm sorry that i was never a father figure -- you know what i'm saying, just being your friend, i mean, i wanted it so bad, because, like, i'm saying, honestly, in my heart, i didn't want you to end up here with me. i mean, you might think that i'm just saying this for the cameras. for real, [ bleep ] these

cameras. i only did the interview for you. you feel me? i only did it so i can have this conversation. you know what i'm saying? this is affecting me way more than it's affecting you because i know that the majority of this is only because i wasn't there. >> that's all i want to hear. that little bitty piece right there, this whole conversation, that was the only piece i wanted to hear. only piece i wanted to hear. i'm no longer mad at him at all. i swear to god i'm not. now that we realize -- you know what i'm saying. now we can just get over this bridge, you know what i'm saying? get on with some father/son stuff. if it's from jail cell to jail cell, you know, it's still possible. you know what i'm saying? if i was to get out and you had to stay in, you could still make an impression from a jail. i don't know exactly how, but you know what i'm saying, ain't nothing impossible. you owe me to try. i don't blame you for nothing else. you owe me enough. at least to put in an effort. i don't care how stubborn i am, you owe me the effort. that's all i ask. >> let's wrap it up.

>> yeah. >> i love you. >> i love you too. >> i don't know really what to say. i'm satisfied, though. honestly, in my heart, you know what i'm saying, i ain't mad at him. ain't no hard feelings. ain't no none of it. i felt like he was sincere about it. that part of being a man he didn't know how to do. i know he know he's wrong, and i don't care if nobody else in the world knows. now i really know. you know, i'm cool with that. >> all right. >> all right.