figure some things out. all right? this is going to go from here right to the next one. so keep rolling and rolling. looks like a job well done. due to mature subject matter, viewer discretion is advised. a brutal stabbing puts the prison only edge. a brash new inmate gets taken down a notch. >> it ain't your business to take compare of that, man. >> two buddies do their time together. >> my first cat saved my life

during the contract hit. he woke me up when the guy tried to take me out. >> oh, no. >> now we put our cameras in the hands of inmates who share intimate thoughts about life behind bars. there's a lot of foul stuff that goes on in indiana department of corrections. >> when i first got sentenced, man, i started stabbing police. you know, i targeted them. >> you see guys wearing their pants down to their knees. thinking they're cool and stuff.

that would get you gang raped or something like that. >> when i first got to prison, like i said, i had blood on my mind. i wanted to get my knife wet. >> we're on level 4. we have the worst prisoners of any in the state here. you got your murderers and rapists. we got people in here with 400, 500, 600 years. up on the ranges, we got camera, people walking all the time. still you can't be with them 24/7. if they want to jump somebody, they'll jump them. if they want to jump me, they can come right in my door and jump me. that's just the way it goes. that's prison. i try not to know what they're in here for, because i don't want to be, like, i don't want

this guy around me because he did this or r he did that. you know, there's guys in here you know automatically why they're in here because i read the newspaper. i get two newspapers a day and i read them from one end to the other and i know what's going on. >> what is it? what is it? >> pull up right there. on the wall. >> in the initial seconds that officers respond to a report of a fight between inmates -- >> up there, man. >> -- the first challenge is sorting through a yard full of convicted criminals to determine who was involved. >> i don't know who was involved. >> was he involved? >> i don't know. >> hold up. >> suddenly, a "lockup" producer encounters the victim outside the prison's medical clinic. >> where?

where you want me? he is bleedi ining profusely fr deep slashes in his neck, stomach, arm and leg. >> he just awe tacked me for no reason. oh, i'm sorry. >> hey, what's his name? >> ellerman. >> ambulance. >> ambulance. >> let me get my shoes off. hey, don't throw them away. they're brand spanking new. can you put them in a bag, please? >> okay. we have another cut up here, guys. >> how bad? >> you're all right. >> is this worse than this? >> it's okay. >> come on, man. >> while prison workers work on pat ellerman, officers continue their search for his attacker. >> looking for a long haired white guy. he said he got to main street.

>> white guy, long hair, right? >> yes. did i understand you have somebody that went to medical? there was a long haired guy. is he the one that went to medical? >> yes. >> that's affirmative. >> was there a third one? >> there was a third one. i can't identify him. i can only -- >> knowing only that ellerman's attacker has long hair, officers detain an inmate. but soon determine he wasn't involved. and the search continues. >> come on, guys. let's go. step up. just hang on. got anything in your pockets? take them out. >> no, right here. >> a short time later, another inmate is taken in for questioning. >> we got the one guy with one of the weapons. i already took the weapons up to the custody hall. >> i want my shoes. >> don't worry about those shoes. we've got them. >> there was extensive tendon

damage to the affected arm. he won't be coming back here any time soon. he's going to be transferred to a medical facility that's going to be able to deal with that kind of damage. >> they called me in from home. right now we're in the crime scene. so watch your feet. see what these are, these are gravitational droplets. it's where he's walk and his hand's moving or he's got other wounds on him and the blood's dropping from his body to the ground. >> so the actual incident might have taken place here but they were struggling, i guess, all the way up here to the fence. >> looks like a smear. i can't tell if this is blood right now. down here. it looks like a smear like somebody fell down. like a mark that kind of drags across. this is the victim's blood.

>> after surveying the crime scene, investigator chuck wheian examines the weapons. >> this is a blade from a hobby craft box. he just took a little time to put a couple pieces of wood together to hold it in place. a razor blade-type weapon will do a lot of damage. >> the suspect, michael ray stafford, is brought in for questioning. >> have him have a seat right there. you want to tell me where you got the knives from? coming up -- >> oh, i'm innocent. >> investigator wheian finds both the suspect and the victim unwilling to cooperate. >> the victim doesn't want to be labeled as a snitch. i am probably going to the gas station about once a month. last time i was at a gas station was about...i would say... two months ago. i very rarely put gas in my chevy volt. i go to the gas station such a small amount that i forget how to put gas in my car.

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you put a dog on a short chain long enough, he's going to bite you. you put him around 50 other dogs, they're going to fight. just a fact of life. >> a vicious stabbing has just occurred at indiana state prison. the victim, with deep slashes across his neck, stomach, arm and leg, has been rushed to a hospital. the suspected assailant, michael ray stafford, has been brought in to internal affairs for questioning. >> i jumped on him earlier today. >> were you physically assaulted at that time? >> yeah. >> then what happened? >> i heard the guy talking while i was waiting for chow, talking about, watch what happens to him when we come out. and a little later i heard him say, i'd kill the little bastard. >> is this the same guy you got in a fight with that was talking? >> i'm not really even sure. >> okay. >> then what happened? >> all hell broke loose. >> who had the knives?

>> i don't know nothing. >> don't know nothing about the two weapons sitting here on my desk? >> look, i've already been beat up once today. >> yeah. >> i heard people talking about killing somebody when the doors come open. i come out to defend myself. i'm not dying in here. >> i can understand that. >> this is between him and me. i'm sorry, [ bleep ]. that's all i got. that's what happened. that's all there is to it. that's -- >> so the same guy that made the comment -- >> i'm not going to build a case for you. >> at this time we're going to end the statement. >> 2,200 people in here, different things. a lot of them in here for murder, long time, big time. you could walk down the street tomorrow and get beat up. you could get stabbed just walking down the street. it's just -- what do -- it happens. >> back in presidethe 1980s whe cabanaw controlled isp as a correctional officer, he experienced such violence firsthand. >> i've been assaulted, yeah.

i fought for my life a couple times. we had three offenders back in the back i.d. with knives and the only thing i had when i went back there was one of the guys in the cage give me a cut off mop stick. this guy was trying to stab me and i broke that stick over his head and got the knife from him, but all i can say is he probably was lucky that the stick broke. personally i try to treat the offenders the way they treat me. they treat me all right, don't give me a problem, then i'm not going to give them a problem. i tell you what, if they cross me, i can be their worst enemy. >> james stone is one of the offenders that used to test cabanaw's meddle. >> my first eight years here was very violent. that's what i did for hustle. guys, stuff like that, had people that owed them money, was having problems getting it, they'd come to me and say, hey, collect this for us, i say, yeah, but i get half. i'd go up, split their wig and say, you got a week to get the

money there, or i'm not going to be nice the next time i come back. >> over the years, stone has grown less violent and more committed to his prison job, which today will take him to the fifth floor of "i" cell house. the intensive detention unit. the most dreaded cell block at isp. >> there's currently about 99 people, that's our max capacity, here on idu. and you can hear -- this is what it's like pretty much every day. you got -- you walk out pretty much with a lot of headaches every day. >> this is like prison within prison. someone's going to try to gun you down. these guys are going to get combative with you. these guys will try to stab you, and, hence, the stab vest i have to wear. this is idu. this is the real deal. >> [ bleep ]. >> and -- and you've got to have thick skin to work here, too. >> oh, no. >> they got an overflowed toilet on idu. got to go up there and clean up. i'm the backup in biohazard.

in other words, i got to clean blood, crap, urine, overflowed toil toilets. you know, it's a glamour job. what i'm anticipating, just cleaning up some swamp water, unless there's a man-eating toured in there or something, i'm pretty much safe. then, again, with the food we get here, you never know. >> stone's a good person. he's a hard worker. one of the hardest workers that i know. >> hey, don't clean that [ bleep ]. >> getting ready to. >> he's a convict. a convict is one of the older ones. >> oh, right here. here we are. spilled toilet. >> the difference is they respect more people in here.

the officers, i think they respect the officers. they have jobs. they go to work. they stay out of trouble. >> been in prison for 24 years now. when i first came to prison, i didn't have much to lose or anything, because the type time they gave me was more or less a death incidencsentence, anyway. back in the old days, wintertime came around, those windows were bol bolted open. heat was shut off. everyone stayed in shape because they jog in place, do pushups, whatever, just to stay warm. now these guys got hot water in the showers. didn't have it back then. you had to think about your sexuality sometimes because you take a shower when it's only in the teens, you're like, damn, where did it go? >> the kids are more the inmates. the older guys are the convicts. they're getting less and less. >> holy mackerel. >> isp is slowly going from convict to inmate because we're getting a lot of younger kids in here who are not used to prison life. and they're not used to interacting with us.

>> bird, it's a plane, no, it's the bio bucket man. these new guys coming in here now got their pants hanging down to their knees or grunge on their headset or something like that. on the phone calling for mommy or daddy so they can get a nickel sack or crack head ball, whatever the hell they got going on around here. they want to cry. state this, state that. state ain't doing nothing for you. you're here. they could care less. they done did what they could, ruin your life, or whatever. you're here. do what you can. >> to the back cave. >> in a prison where old school convicts where james stone are a dying breed, josh harrison represents the new generation. >> i'm 20 years old. i've been in prison for a little over four months.

i was here for approximately two weeks then they came and put me on "d" east which is administrative segregation because i got into it with officers. i broke tvs. now i'm just trying to do my time an get an education and go home so i can be home with my children. >> if harrison falls into the wilder, less disciplined ways of the inmates, he could wind up spending years in lockup. but one of the prison's oldtime convicts is committed to looking out for him. >> i've known josh probably over three months now. we was all on lockup when i actually first met him. i know his dad from inside the prison system. >> me and my dad ain't got a real good relationship. robert is more of a father than

my real dad is. >> he's a lonely kid. he walks -- actually he just wants to know that someone cares about him. >> every time he sees me he's like, stay out of trouble. stay out of trouble. if i do do something or get myself caught up in something, he'll cuss me out. >> josh reminds me a lot of me when i was his age. i know what he's going through. he thinks he's got to prove something to people. i think he's wanting me to see him as a tough guy. you know? >> spears would soon be proven right. next -- >> well, he passed the rumor that he wanted to try to kill me. >> josh harrison finds himself in serious trouble. >> if i could get him right now, i'd beat him up just to show him you're not tough. [ emily jo ] derrell comes into starbucks

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a little bit of help finding his way. ♪ [ laughs ] [ applause ] i love you. i love you, too. everybody in this row, need to stand up against the wall. >> with a recent stabbing at indiana state prison, officers are stepping up searches for weapons. >> sir. i need you to step over here. >> the procedure is monitored by internal affairs officer will

mcginnis. >> okay. there's the officer shaking down "e" dorm. they're going through, underneath the bed and the mattress. personal property. and looks like something wases found. all of a sudden the officer is reaching for his cuffs. you see him restraining the offender. >> the offender is josh harrison. >> disappointed a lot of people. i let a lot of people down. this is my wife. my wife. my daughter. that's my son. they're twins. >> my mom is going to flip out when she finds out i was in here and got caught with a knife. >> this is a shank that was turned in from possession of offender harrison. "e" dorm east. and as you an see here, that's a pretty lengthy piece of iron there. it's got a pretty good point on the end of that. could do some severe damage. especially if they come up through a rib or kidney or lung. >> i got a really, really good friend who cares a lot about me, and i let him down, too.

>> if i could get him right now, i'd beat him up just to show him, you're not tough. >> robert spears has been a surrogate father to harrison during the young inmate's first four months at indiana state prison. >> i'm really mad at him now. there's no reason he should have had that knife. he's got two babies. i told him, it ain't about this, man. you got ten years to do. do that ten, go home, be a dad. it's not about being in here, being tough, having a reputation. >> on his way to preseg, a temporary lockdown for inmates awaiting disciplinary hearings, harrison reveals his reason for having the shank. >> dude that murdered my cousin is in this prison. >> right. does he live in "e" dorm? >> no, he lives in "f" dorm. word was he was going to get me. so the day i heard that, the same day i got caught with it, that's when i got the shank. >> sha kirkir smith is the man

harrison was allegedly targeting. >> he already passed a rumor that he wanted to try to kill me or was going to kill me, and i could either go what this guy had on, and probably prove everybody right i'm this big, violent person they mark me to be or i could talk to him, face up, and i came in one day from work. he was waiting outside and i kind of seen he was antsy and everything, had something in his pocket. >> so you had the shank in your pocket? >> i was tied -- i had a shoe string holding my pants up, it was tied to a shoe string hanging by my right side. >> smith was convicted of killing harrison's cousin but claims it was someone else. >> yes, i do have an idea of who did it, but i ain't no snitch. >> in reality, josh, you had every intention of using that knife? >> yeah. of course. >> to what extent? to what end?

>> i wasn't going to kill the dude. >> what were you going to do? >> i was just -- going to poke him a couple times. somebody was to kill your family, what would you do? >> michael ray stafford is dealing with a different kind of loss. >> i haven't had a haircut since october 1999. and why, just -- this is the second time i got jumped on. they pulled all this hair out. i hate losing that. >> after further questioning about the brutal stabbing of inmate pat ellerman, stafford is escorted back to the special management cell that he is assigned to until the investigation is complete. >> we did interview the victim. the victim is not being very cooperative with us. he's an oldtime convict.

he doesn't want to be labeled as a snitch, so he's not giving us any statements whatsoever. as he put it, i'm not going to help you with your investigation at all. some of stafford's information he gave us don't pan out. what we're hearing in the rumor mill is he owed somebody some money. we're hearing he owed the victim money at one time. stafford and the victim used to be friends. in the past six months or so, they have slowly, you know, separated and went their own ways. >> somebody seemed to think i owed them some money. i don't know. i think they was in debt, themselves, and to get the bill collector, so to speak, off of them, i think they just up and said, hey, that guy right there owed me some money. >> stafford said there was two guys that jumped him which we still have to prove he got beat up. we'll never know that. at this point i got enough information between the witness statements, video and everything, to go ahead and charge stafford with class "a" battery, violation of our adult disciplinary procedures. we'll put together the case for the prosecutor's office.

we'll refer it to them, let them review it and decide whether he wants to present criminal charges. >> the guy that caused all this, the guy that got cut up, he had me pegged wrong. well, that guy's in the hospital right now. i don't think he's going to mess with me. coming up -- >> best case scenario, just be they forget about this. >> stafford gets his day in court. >> if i had done that, where would i be now? with the spark cash card from capital one, sven gets great rewards for his small business! how does this thing work? oh, i like it!

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due to mature subject matter, viewer discretion is advised. i'm surrounded every day by murderers, rapists, child molesters, and the worst of the ilk, mankind, 4 1/2. but me and the man in here are hard to believe, pretty decent guys. >> the old-school convicts and the younger less disciplined inmates at indiana state prison usually keep a distance between themselves. but another segment of the prison population roams wherever and with whomever they choose. >> we've got guys in here that used to cause us problems all the time. they got a cat and they changed

just like that overnight. >> many isp inmates are allowed to adopt cats from a local rescue shelter. >> this is jinxter, my buddy. i've had him since 2005. my first cat died in 2005. they replaced him with one that looked similar to him. my first cat here was jinx. which like, as you can see, he was a large cat. he wasn't fat, either. he was musclebound. like i said, the first cat anybody ever seen that could pull a concrete block. not no brick, a block across the ground. >> that's how me and stone met each other. by me, i was in charge of the cellhouses. as a captain. i'd be walking the ranges. he caught me playing with jinx one day. that's how we became good buddies. and we've been friends ever since then. >> my first cat saved my life during the contract hit. he woke me up when the guy tried to take me out. i ended up sending that guy to

the hospital. so my first cat was like a watchdog. you couldn't get near me or anything like that. he guarded me. >> i am in charge of the cat program. you know, that's a switch, but i don't know, i like cats. i like animals. my personal opinion is our cat program is probably one of the best things we got going on in here. >> by taking a cat, he gave me a sense of responsibility, something to lose, think about. which a lot of these guys in here don't have none of that. you ain't going to the vet. i think he thinks he's going to the vet. >> stone, before he got jinx, he was kind of a rebel rouser. he would go around and drink, smoke, whatever. not wanting to do what he's told and stuff. then when we got jinx it just changed him, changed him to a different person. >> the major, himself, used to come up and visit the cat all the time. he told me if i ever got a problem to where i had to get rid of jinx, he would take him

home to his mini farm, himself. he really fell in love with the cat, himself. >> what's up, dude? how you doing? >> bring him over. he ain't been over for a while. >> look how big he's getting. >> the cats are good for both sides. staff and guys doing time. because it don't just affect the guy that's got the cat. jinxter, he probably affects 50 people in the cellhouse, alone. see you. >> see you, jinxter. >> he's my little buddy. i depend on him. he's more dependable than anything i got in here. i mean, he takes a lot of the anger and temper away. makes it easier to cope in here. because when i do feel like i'm about ready to go do something stupid or whatever, i just hold him in my lap, pat him, stroke him a few times and you look at those big betty davis eyes and you think, hey, this guy depends on me, i got to take care of him. you know? >> while stone's cats might have

helped, it's hard to say what, if anything, will help josh harrison. after being caught with a knife, he has been confined to the prison's preseg lockdown unit located on the fifth floor of "d" cellhouse, and now he's in even more trouble. >> he's been asking about his cable all day. he has tv but he doesn't have any cable. and he mentioned that if he doesn't get his cable fixed by 5:30, he's going to gun the next officer down. meaning he's going to throw either urine or feces on the next officer or possibly the next worker that comes up there. while i was standing there trying to talk some common sense into him, he took his pipe from his light switch and went to pull it off the wall and the sparks started flying. and so i spoke with shift supervisor and he told me to write him up for destruction of property. oh, he's not going to be happy with me once he gets this.

>> two of them in blue. two of them in blue. >> mr. harrison. for one things you have to take -- >> why? >> for the next thing, i had to write you up for your little destruction of property with the light switch. >> that ain't destructive. it ain't destructive. >> as well as i can't get ahold of the cable company today. so you're not going to get any cable today. you do have to take your curtain down. >> take your curtain town. >> it ain't coming down. >> it's got to come down, mr. harrison. >> it ain't coming down. >> if you can't take it down, then i can get someone to help you take it down. >> you go get somebody to help, then. >> all right. i'll be back. my style, if i have an offender that doesn't want to follow my orders, then i'll give them a warning. because i understand, you know,

these guys are locked in most of the day and they don't have a chance to, you know, communicate with their friends or brothers, family, whatever it is. so i'll give them a little bit of slack. >> that bitch wrote me up, man. destructive property. i don't [ bleep ] know. she probably wants me to destruct her ass. >> he's refusing to take his curtain down. >> who's refusing? >> harrison. >> i'll go back. >> she wants somebody to [ bleep ]. i can't even doing that, sarg. i want my privacy. >> come here. now, if i see that curtain up -- >> it's going back up until you all get my cable fixed. >> i will come in here, shake it down, take you up and have you strip searched and write you up myself. >> get your cable fixed.

>> i'm trying to get your cable fixed, but i do not want to see that curtain up again. >> my cable ain't fixed by 6:00, we going to have problems, man. i'm going to be honest with you, there's going to be drama up here all night. >> did you just tell me today you wanted to go home? >> i do. is she going to write me up for petty [ bleep ]? >> you can't be in here destroying property. >> this ain't destruction. it's been [ bleep ] like that. ain't no reason for me to get a [ bleep ] writeup. i'm going to rip it out. pointblank. i'll rip this whole [ bleep ] -- >> wouldn't it be easier to beat the writeup if it wasn't torn down? >> i'm not going to beat it when she sits there and says she watched me rip it out of the wall. i don't have no witness saying that was already broke. >> harrison, you're not the only one in here with problems. we both know you want your cable fixed and we both will do what you can do get it fixed. i don't want no more about gunning officers down if you don't get it done, because you don't need no more writeups, you don't need no more nothing, all right? in order for you to two home,

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happy and without regard for anybody that's around them. >> back years ago we had a lot of convicts here. they were a little different. they took responsibility for what they did do and what type of crime, whatever they did. now we have a lot of offenders/inmate that it's all about me. it seems like we owe them. >> get the cable fixed. >> and i don't understand where they're coming up with the thing where society owes them. they owe society. and that's what we're trying to teach them, to take responsibility for their actions >> hard as they try, however, prison staff do not always succeed. but sometimes a convict can do what an officer can't. as josh harrison currently in preseg for being caught with a knife is about to find out. >> he knows i'm a little upset at him because of the knives situation, but i actually told him i'll try to get up and see you. you know what i mean? but he's going to try to come

with his little dumb story, you can believe that, oh they was going to do something. he knows i'm not going to let no one do nothing to him. that would be weak to me. >> convict robert spears has been a surrogate father to josh harrison since harrison first arrived at indiana state. >> is that him? >> now, he's decided to drop in on harrison for a friendly visit. >> you think it's funny, don't you? you're an idiot. what have i been telling you? >> that's what i've been saying. >> what did you go get the knife for for? for real, why did you get it? >> the dude killed my cousin. >> i told you way ahead of time, leave that alone. let god take care of that. tvs not your business to take care of that, man. do you want someone raising your two little kids calling someone else dad? >> no. >> okay. if you'd have killed him, what's he going to get, dude? a life bit. it's stupid, dude.

if you don't use your head, you're going to do the rest of your life right here. you're still a kid, dude. you can turn around and be my age and not even know it. look at me. 43 now, man. what you're doing, i've done done. been through it. done it. locked up. stabbings. fighting. being tough. you don't have to be tough, man. if i could get ahold of you, boy, i'd whoop you just for that reason. and i'd try to knock your teeth out just because i care about you, boy, to wake you up. not to hurt you but just to show you you're ignorant at times. you got a head, man. so you can't really tell me you're stupid because you're not, man. you know what i mean? if you was, i would have cut you loose a long time ago. you know how i do it. i don't know about you, boy. you hurt my feelings. i can tell you that. you let me down. of all people i thought that you was going to come through. you better wake up, josh. no matter how much i care about you, you have to learn the hard way, then you're going to do that on your own. if you get into this anymore, i'm for real done, man. >> you got anything down there right now? >> what you need? >> food.

>> i'll send you some up later. you can't -- you know what i mean? stay -- just shut up, man. just stay out of trouble. that's -- you talk too much. stay out of trouble. stay out of trouble. >> love you. >> all right. see you later, man. >> yep. >> straight idiot, man. if i could hit him in his mouth right now, i would. >> i let him down. >> how much time harrison spends in the hole will be determined in a disciplinary board hearing. just like the one awaiting michael ray stafford for allegedly stabbing pat ellerman. >> best case scenario just be they forget about this. >> stafford is assigned an inmate advocate to help him present his case at the hearing. >> would you get a copy of the investigator's report? >> yep. >> here's what i would say. no matter what the outcome is, i would plead not guilty to it. just for the simple fact that you don't want to plead guilty to something -- >> i thought i already pled not guilty. >> she's going to ask you what your plea is again inside of

here. >> okay. >> you don't want to plead guilty to something that has a possibility of an outside charge. >> actually, i'll take care of it from here. you're done. >> wants his copy of this. he says he wants to ride out solo from here. >> you're waiving your right to a lawyer? >> i don't want him. >> you can go ahead and step outside. >> okay. you can have a seat. this is your copy of the evidence card, weapons they found, one taken off of you. this is a video outside of "a" cell house. you're wrote up on a 102, battery with a weapon. when you were screened you pled not guilty. is that still your plea? >> not guilty. >> do you have a statement on the incident? >> you know i was beat up twice in one day here. i've had three people putting knots on my head and i'm the only one locked up? what's going on here? >> did you report the incidents to anybody? about you being beat up? >> how could i do that?

i got to live here. >> i understand that. but you could have went down and said, hey, this happened. you don't have to give them a name. >> if i had done that, where would i be now? >> i don't know. >> yeah, you do. you work here. you know what would happen if i'd have done that. >> anything else you want to add to your statement? >> no, no, it's not doing any good. >> the conduct report is clear, concise. based on the case file, i am going to find you guilty of battery. give you a year ds. 9/22/08 to 9/22/09. i will give you an appeal form so you can appeal that. >> assigned to a year of disciplinary segregation, stafford will be locked up 23 hours per day, lose some of his personal property, and not be allowed contact with general population inmates. >> i'm going to be living like an animal caged in a cage with nothing. absolutely nothing. over what, because somebody tried to take my [ bleep ] away from me. i protected myself. this is what happens.

that guy was coming at me with a weapon. i had to do something. i had to do it right then. she's talking about, why didn't you get an officer? hell, i can't get an officer. where would -- if i went and got an officer, where would i be now? i'd be the one laying over in the hospital all cut up. it's just a bad deal all the way around. there's no such thing as defe defending yourself. coming up -- >> i didn't know he had a knife. >> the stabbing victim returns to general population. >> i know this guy had a couple of drops of blood on my shoes so i stepped back like this and he reached up and went like this. and josh harrison face the consequences of having a shank in prison. bacon and cheese add up to 100 calories? your world.

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michael stafford knows a thing or two about violence. >> i got shot in the head years ago, and see that big old hole in my ear there? that's where the bullet came out. the bullet went in right here underneath my right eye and come out my left ear. this window here is up higher than the wall. i remember when i first come up here on this unit, i look out there and seen a car down the street. just it kind of dawned on me. damn, there is a world out there. it's been so long since i'd seen a car. >> but stafford has now left his cell with a view for the intensive detention unit. where he will be locked up. the disciplinary board has found him responsibility for the stabbing of pat ellerman. >> get the blood out of my

shoes. that's -- becauseon my shoes. >> two weeks after his brutal stabbing, ellerman has returned to general population. >> i was stabbed ten times. i think i won the fight. he won the war. >> stafford received a year in the hole, despite ellerman's refusal to cooperate with the investigation. it's all part of the convict code. >> i'm a convict. you don't tell nothing. >> why? it is. i mean, i got to live here the rest of my life. i don't want anybody thinking that i'm weak, that i'm going to talk, that i'm going to say anything about anything. i'm not mad at the guy. if more people would do what he did instead of this poking and running, this would be a different prison. and i'm sort of up preimpressed went that far. he could have cut me and ran.

i didn't know he had a knife while he was cutting me. i didn't know he had a knife. >> how did you not know? >> i was busy. i was fighting. >> at what point did you realize you had been stabbed? >> at the very end i had him by the hair and i was uping cutting him and i noticed i had new shoes on. i noticed i had a couple drops of blood on my shoes so i stepped back like this and he reached up and went like this. he had, you know, and i noticed i was holding him so hard when he went like this, it just was like rubber bands. bam, bam, bam. i said, ah, man, and i let him go. >> cryou were severely stabbed. i mean, i'm just curious how a human being wouldn't have felt that. >> because i was enjoying fighting. >> but fighting has led to one of the greatest regrets of ellerman's life. the loss of a relationship with his 13-year-old son. he's only heard from him once in the past eight years. >> i wish my son would get to know me before i die.

i sure do. when he was born, i swore to him as he was looking up at me, i'd never come back to prison. i told him i'd quit fighting. i lied to him. i don't want my son to end up like me in any way. i never knew my father. he disappeared out of my life when i was 5 years old, but he died. i didn't get a chance to meet him. all i ever heard about him is he hung out in bars, he was a fighter, he was a really tough. i didn't think that that's what i wanted to be, but that's what i've turned into, and i don't want him to subconsciously try to turn into me. i do not -- i'd rather see anything than my son come to prison. anything. anything. >> ready to go? >> after being caught with a shank and other lesser violations, josh harrison is about to be separated from the

convict that he considers his surrogate father. he has been given an 18-month term in the prison's intensive detention unit where he will be locked up 23 hours per day and not permitted to associate with general population inmates. on his way to idu, he is allowed one last good-bye. >> robert? >> where you going? >> idu. they gave me a year and a half. >> i told you to stay out of trouble. use your head. if you don't, they're going to bury you. >> i know. stay out of trouble, kid. >> this will be harrison's first time on idu. with good behavior, he might not serve the entire year and a half, but that's small consolation on this cellblock. a place where the prison's most dangerous inmates seemingly spend 24 hours a day shouting threats at each other. >> he's nervous. i think he's nervous. i mean, this is his first time

up here on idu, so it's nerve-racking. >> stuck in a little ass cell. this is smaller than the [ bleep ] cells over there. in the regular cell. >> so hopefully he'll do his year and a halftime up he time harrison will go out to population and straighten up. >> if not? >> he'll be up here longer and probably get more conduct reports. if he backs it off from here, they'll probably ship him out of here. >> going to stay out of trouble? >> i don't know. depends on what these dudes down here talk about. >> run like you did the last time.