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>> announcer: due to mature sub matter, viewer discretion is advised. >> narrator: america's prisons, dangerous, often deadly. there are 2 million people doing time. every day is a battle to survive. and to maintain order. among the nation's most know tor yousz institutions, san quinton
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state prison. gangs, drugs and sheer boredom make up a violent mixz. this is lockup san quentin. extended stay. san quentin serves the state of california. each week, the prison releases 150 prisoners. and welcomes 350 new inmates. san quentin was built to hold about 3,000 people. it currently houses more than 5,000. >> unfortunate for some of them, they think this is a step up. and in the circles they travel in, unfortunately, it is. you know, i made it. i'm in the state prison now. >> narrator: with repeat offenders clogging up the works, the officers struggled to keep
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the inmates under control. >> control. be advised we have an alarm in south block. >> i can only speculate. the only thing i think of is we have a missing inmate. >> my name is kavinsky. i've had this prison number since i was 18 years old. i just turned 37 on february 15th. from the discharge for this prison system, i met it by about four days. >> you know what, for the record, show that these people are harassing me for some reason. >> each inmate is assigned a
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security risk classification score based on his record and conduct in prison. the average inmates score ranges from 19-27 points. i probably have the highest classification score in this prison system. i'm over 2,000 now. >> the obl thing i haven't been convicted of in prison is murder and drugs. the favorite form of mayhem, exciting cell extractions.
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>> heims is back right now on a parole violation. and he's been violated on parole numerous times. with him, i think it's entertainmented. it's a game. he's a master at pushing people's buttons. he knows what reactions he wants to get. and he's very, very good at
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doing it. >> with heims being released, he will have to find ways to entertain nims the outside world. for most inmates, release from prison is just a temporary freedom. two years after getting out, more than 50% of california's prisoners find themselves right back behind bars. every day, officer whitehall greets new prisoners whose crimes range from simple parole violations to major felonies. >> what's your name? >> dennis. >> you been here before? >> no. >> how much time did you guys do? >> six. >> six years? >> yeah. >> you can go over and step by the fence. >> you can bring the rest of the
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guys out, too. go stack by the fence. >> do you have anything? any situation? or a gang member? >> no. >> how much time are you doing? >> 90. >> 90 day op? >> yeah. >> you know if you screw up, that 90 days comes right back. it's over. so you've got to be in your best behavior. it's different right now, all right? all right. >> narrator: 90 day observations are used to better gauge what kind of observation an inmate deserves. >> we're doing intake right now. we're just the first process. we checked and adjusted and paid for it to make sure it's correct. may recollect sure we have the right inmate. and then we do a body search and give the county all of their clothing back. stepping over here, get all of
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your clothes off. put it in the middle can. we shake the hair out, hands up under the arms. lift their testicles. turn around. bend over at the waist and spread their butt cheeks and make sure there's nothing up in their body cavity. step through. keep walking. >> for many arrivals, the experience of checking into prison is far from new. it's an all-too-familiar part of their lives. >> i've been here a few times, kwiet a few times. but most of the times, convictions, no. but most of the times, you've just been here for unnecessary violations. some violations have been justifiable. but believe me, not enough times to substantiate me coming here as i've been here. >> i could never actually say what my last time was going to be. but i don't plan oncoming back to san quentin.
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but as long as i'm on parole, that possibility is always there. you know what i mean? i don't have to commit crime or drugs or anything of that nature to come back here. you can come back here in a whole lot of different ways. >> are you ready? >> yeah. >> i've got to holler at you, dude. >> dd has spent her life in and out of prison. but this is t.j. mcdaniels first time inside and possibly his last chance to escape a similar fate. >> now, the judge told me he wanted me to get a feeling of how prison is. he said my life is like this right now. if you send me to prison, he says for a sentence, and he feels that my life is going to be over with. he said if he gives me a chance to demonstrate that, i'm going to be all right. now that i'm here, i've got to follow all instructions. i've got to do my program and stay out of trouble.
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okay, four fingers. are you nervous coming today? >> no, not really. >> why? >> it's prison. why would you be nervous? >> there's killers in here. thugs. that's in my life. >> so what are you, out there hustling dope? >> stealing weapons. >> you're carrying a gun, right? why? so you want to shoot somebody first before they shoot you? >> no, i just want to protect me. so if they shoot somebody, you kill them or miss them, you hit a little kid and then what do you do? >> i'm in trouble. >> you're in big trouble. big, big trouble. >> sideways. >> all right, you're busted the next time you do anything. remember that. it's my part. fighting crime from san quentin. >> coming up on lock-up, t.j.
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faces the reality of a 5 by 11 cell. and dd faces a three by three cage. >> i mean, i got into a fight with somebody. it wasn't nothing. t in? maybe new buildings? what about updated equipment? they can help, but recent research shows... ... nothing transforms schools like investing in advanced teacher education. let's build a strong foundation. let's invest in our teachers so they can inspire our students. let's solve this. hi, i'm ensure clear... clear, huh? i'm not juice or fancy water. i've got nine grams of protein. that's three times more than me! [ female announcer ] ensure clear. nine grams protein. zero fat. in blueberry/pomegranate and peach.
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is. are you going to mail home the stuff you can't have? >> yeah, but this stuff i can have. >> that chain is way too big. >> no, it's not. it's not even real. >> i don't know if it's real or not. >> look at it. >> so i can get that? it's from san quentin. can i just get it from medical?
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>> dd and taquilla are pre-op transection yuls. >> i'm a man becoming a female. i didn't know. i'm about half way through. i just haven't been clipped yet. and i prefuse to as long as i'm on parole. >> while we're on parole, if we become females while we're on parole, we'd have to be incarcerated as female. we're not going to do that. we're looking forward to it. we remained biologically male while we're on parole. so, therefore, we are housed in the male gender. >> this is the only person i would let that's transgender into my cell. >> there's too many complications.
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too many disagreements. >> it's hard for us to get along with other homosexuals, but we can deal with each other. >> although they came in together, dd will have to be segregated from the rest of general pop ewe lagsz. prior misconduct has come back to haunt dd. >> i got into a fight with somebody and it turned out to be nothing. she apologized to me and tfsz over with. >> even though dd completed her lock-up sentence for fiting, it's an inmate. >> they have a computer mess up. the computer is messed up. it's a glitch showing that i released from hold, but i didn't release from hold. i left from my actual unit. >> because he's a max a inmate, they never took him out of the computer. i have to lock him up.
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>> this is probably why i'm in the cage. i would feel a lot better if they win and find out exactly what the problem with. >> i'm upset about it. i thought we were going to go together. i guess i have to wait a couple days before i can see her again. too bad. >> listen up, gentlemen. let's go. two blarng ets and a bag. line up on the seventy side of the yard. >> t.j. mcdaniels is in san quentin for a 90 day observation period. his behavior will determine whether he'll stay in prison or perhaps receive a suspended sentence. >> all right, real quick.
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i'm here five days a week. several things. i don't want no phones. don't ask me to update i don't know and don't miss your lock-p up. all we do is shower and eat. it's a rap after that. if you have any problems, let me know, we can fix it. when i call your name, give me your last two and take it inside. mcdaniels. chavez? two west 71. they gave me 90 days. >> what's up?
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>> this ain't nowhere to be, man. it ain't cool. >> they can't even stretch in this joint. you can't even work out. you can't run in place. and then we can only come out twice a week. >> yeah, man, that's a cause to be mentally insane, for real. that's what they give us. that's all you're going to get. that's all that you can get. this little tiny bar of soap. it's going to be used in one day. >> you'll find with a lot of
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these guys, they've been incarcerated before. so unfortunate for some of them, they think this is a step up. and in the circles they travel in, unfortunately, it is. i made it. it's a subculture here that pretty unbelievable. and it's hard for a lot of people to understand where they're coming from. but if this is all you know, you know, there's a level of progression in here, too, i guess. like in the streets, you get a promotion doing good and here you get a promotion doing bad. so it's sad. but it's reality. >> coming up on "lockup." t.j.'s is just beginning. you have what i consider a violent felony background. i doubt very seriously they would put you on probation with your record. but cheap sushi, not so good.
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>> narrator: dd's housing status is still caught up in the prison bureaucracy because of a clerical error. >> i've got to go through all of this because it's unnecessary. >> but none of it is my fault. >> oh, look who decides to come back. >> what did you do now? >> i didn't do nothing. >> oh, that's what they all say. >> come on, now. >> you're holding cute. it's a one-man cell. you're handcuffed everywhere you go. i couldn't do it. which is why i tried to stay out of trouble.
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>> what did he get locked up for now? >> he just came in on friday. before he wents off to court, he got lorked up. now, i guess we're fighting. so now he's coming back. but they get to follow it together in committee. which would be wednesday. and they probably won't have us filed because he just came back. he probably have to go back to committee in a couple weeks and be released. >> with dd's records in sacramento and their meeting with the housing committee a week away, she must remain in her single cell 23 hours a day. >> it's bad enough i'm here, but i'm locked up in here in this little lock-up facility for nothing. my file may not be here. it may not show my parole. so, therefore, i'll have to see her a whole other week to go back when my file is here that
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will show that i'm paroled from the yunt. but then i'm going to become a little stressed out. >> back in general population, tj meats with his older cousin, gary, who is also serving time at san quentin. >> how are you feeling, man? >> man, i feel terrible. i made a mistake. i've got to correct it now. i ant going to cry or none of that. >> i seen him roll up on the bus. i was very shocked. he makes his own decision. it's kind of sad to say, but we know in the streets, you hit the streets early. you're sfil young. it's not a way of life to you yet. it's a projected persona that you're trained right now. you see it when everybody is around you. it's doing it. that's what you're accustomed to doing. you know what that means, right?
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that's something big, you know. it's got a lot to do with it. you've got to prepare yourself. so, last night, i hope you had your mind focused. >> yeah, my mind is made up. i'm good. yeah. >> it's more than just saying. i've been repeating the same speeches for years and years. because i'm right back in the same cycle. you know, it's hard. you've really got to put your head into it and really change it and deny yourselves a lot of things you want to do, man. you've got to be really ready for that. >> yeah, i'm ready. >> what the court has done is they've convicted you. and now they've sent you here because probation doesn't feel that you're an appropriate candidate to go out on the probation. but the judge says there may be something left in saving you from being a career criminal,
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yes? >> yes. >> basically, you had a handgun in your waistband. the police tried to contact you and you ran and it fell out. were you atempbting to sell drugs at the time? >> i don't know what kind of gun it was. >> revolver? automatic? >> automatic. >> nine millimeter. >> how did you get it? >> in the backyard. >> let me ask you a question, you feel you're a risk to the community? >> a risk? >> yeah, a risk. do you know what that means? a risk to the community? >> a threat. tlelt, risk, yeah, same thing. >> do you think you're a threat out there? >> no. >> you have a criminal back dwround that goes back to when you were ten years old, stakt? >> yes.
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basically, most of your life, you've been incarcerated. >> yes. >> you have what i consider a violent felony background. that's what i consider, okay. my recommendation would be the worst, and that would be coming to prison. it looks like they suggested to you that you've got 16 months that they're going to make a recommendation for, which i think is really mild. however, i'm pretty sure you're probably either going to get a suspended sentence or come the prison. i doubt very sincerely anybody would put you on probation with your record. that's just my recommendation. okay. and that's, like i said, the judge makes the decision, i don't. i make a recommendation based on what i saw. and my experience. okay? >> yeah.
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>> that concludes our interview. you go ahead and head back to your unit. >> all right. >> narrator: coming up on lock-up. yob what's going on. the only thing i can think of is we have a missing inmate. push push many of my patients still clean their dentures with toothpaste. but they have to use special care in keeping the denture clean. dentures are very different to real teeth. they're about 10 times softer and may have surface pores where bacteria can multiply. polident is designed to clean dentures daily. its unique micro-clean formula kills 99.9% of odor causing bacteria and helps dissolve stains, cleaning in a better way
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first, back to "lockup". >> announcer: due to mature subject matter, viewer discretion is advised. ♪
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i just think it's a heck of a waste for somebody that bright to be living their life being entertained in a prison. >> skanvinsky heims is no stranger to lock-up. inside pelican bay. the toughest maximum security prison. >> i don't care if you're a peace officer, if you're the governor, if you're the president. if you do something to me, it's on. >> heims is a career-inmate with 19 of his 37 years spent behind bars. >> turn around. officers in several california prisons have gotten plenty of opportunities to document his bad behavior on video tape. while most inmates try to deal with prison life the best they can, heims has fought the system all the way.
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>> it's going to be like starting a whole new life. i can go nymph. i can get a pass port, i can do anything, if i want to. i'm not under the supervision of law enforcement, you know, at all times, like i have been. basically, i can do anything i want to. >> although he, ms has reached the end of his sentence, the stakes are gensz him. >> i think he is aware that if he kmits another crime and is prosecuted for that, it could very well be a third strike, which he would be looking at 25 to life. >> i'm too old now, you know. i figure if i came back to prison again, i would never get out, you know. no matter if it was for a two-year sentence. no telling just what happened. and i can't subject myself to that. >> christmass, thank giveringings, he's got to spend one birthday out of jail.
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first, my plan is to get a good meal. my sister is coming to get me and needs to be around the family. i think my brother learned a less son. i think this time, he's going to get out and do more than he was doing with himself before he went to the penitentiary. >> heims is going to decide i'm going to get right. i'm not going to commit more crimes. or he's going to give into his impulsiveness and he's going to commit another crime. and he could very well be doing 25 to life. so i think with heims, it's either going to be all of one or all of the other this time.
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i belong to the california department of corrections no more. i am discharged. i'm a free black man in memphis. let me live. that's all i want to do, live and join my family. >> heims has a new life ahead of him on the outside. >> bye, california correctional center. >> later, we'll see where he is two months after release. the officer works in south block. >> my job is to control the flow of traffic during trial and also during the course of inmates returning back to the units because of the medical or dental appointments or mental health poimts that they have. >> you've got to be escorted. you've got to be es korted this time of day. welcome to my world. >> i'm the eyes and ears of this
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south block rotun d a. here, everyone is looking at me as the point man saying hey, which way do we have to go? >> that's it. that is the completion. we are done. successful. here we go. i'm regrouping now. i rethink everything i look and i do the same program with another unit. do dining hall one, this is number five. >> make sure my officers are safe. when we first start, make sure we have adequate coverage. exceed him. bring him back. you'll see that during the course. now we've got an alarm. >> narrator: the officer must secure all surrounding areas until further information on the alarm is received.
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you can go in there and do a count immediately. conduct a count and sub mutt it to control immediately. >> right now, we have an emergency institutional recall. this is the first time in six years that we had an institutional emergency recall during trial. never had this happen. i don't know what's going on. so, until i know, i can only speculate. and the only thing i can think of is we have a missing inmate. that's probably the number one thing. >> institutional recall. the volume is in lock up at this time. we'll get a possible kount. everyone report to their sign tiers. take it back up. take it in. i'm telling you to go back in. what happens is a lot of the moves are done on second watch. when they're not verified, they don't happen.
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so what happens is they err still in the cell or they're in another cell and there's no acountability. so now we're going to get some accountability. this is what i'm saying, smoke. true it ain't here. he's in 104, right? hill? went down to h unit? yeah. they sent him back up today. 5 west 45. hernandez. i don't know where he is. so you've got to lock everybody up. because this don't make sensz. every unit does the same thing. and once that count is complete, all numbers are called into the control center who tallies up all of the numbers. now our numbers have to match his. and once neez nuthese numbers mr yunt, that clears your unit. >> all right. >> oh, look at this.
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>> hey, red? have you got the count? >> it's coming downright now. >> 98 on three? >> 98 on four and five. >> so check on alpha, donor, carson, as well. make sure all moves were made that were set in prior to this. >> donner is going to cancel. >> everything has to be done before we can even up this count. hey, the longer we take doing this, the longer we take. >> narrator: next, on "lockup" the search for missing inmates hits the streets. and the search for dd's file hits the wall. >> it's like a domino effect. it's just getting worse and worsz and worse. maybe new buildings? what about updated equipment? they can help, but recent research shows... ... nothing transforms schools like investing
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>> narrator: after a phone call about a possible escaped inmate, the cos of san quentin have snapped into action. inside the prison, all inmates have been locked up and the officers have done a prison-wide recount. prison officials have also been dispatched to canvas the area around san quentin. >> it's possible that the citizen's saw what they saw. it could have maybe been two teenagers or something that lived on grounds and prison grounds and hopping the fence. and the citizens passing by, it's probably better safe than
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sorry. we're going to pull all of oufr protocols and procedures and try to apprehend the escapees. >> the lieutenant is a public information officer observing the teams sent out to look for possible escapees. >> our number one priority in the department of correction rehabilitation is public safety and to protect the community. the way we do that is to keep commitments from superior court and parole violators and such in our custody and not let any of them get out until it's time. it's a very, very serious deal. i've seen at least four units so far go out of the prison into the triangle search. they check out spots like the bus depot, the strip malls, apartment complexes, the ferry terminal. wi're following 26 right now. that officer did a really good job. he's hitting everything. >> keep in mind. they don't know who they're
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looking for yet. we don't even know if we have an escape. >> secretary is off. >> where's al at? i'll check to 24. he gave me 170. and there was a guy that's supposed to be up there. it should be 171. i'm showing one guy at fight west 45. he was down in h unit. we're coming back into the prison right now. we're going to follow up on this kwount and see if it got everybody. let's hope we do. i really hope it was just a citizen trying to help us out and was wrong about what they saw. >> the emergency recount assist and the emergency recount is clear at 2043 with a grand total of 5,193. and the clearance on our programs.
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>> i guess everybody gets to go home? >> that's it. that's a wrap. well-meaning citizen, i guess. it's a mistake. >> 5051. >> this is like a hotel room downtown in frisco. maybe a little bit smaller, but pretty much the same. i was a little nervous the first time. but, then, after the second day, i got used to the hang of it. and it kind of went easy. you'll get to know people. it just flies by. >> i was on parole saturday. i'll go back to my life. i might be back, i might not. i don't know. it all depends.
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parole in california is a bitch. so, you know, you never know. you run into the police one time, you're going back. take it one day at a time, you know. you don't really plan, you just happen. >> black line. wise up. wise up. this is your mug on tv? you robbed some banks out there? some cold case history going on? no voice or nothing, huh? >> you've got two weeks to do. don't worry about it. you've been out ten years. that's good. >> the girl is going to cheat on me. >> trust me, the bridge that you're living under out there, nobody goes there. you know that, and i know that. that's why when you said your property, you just go to the bridge on the left. >> narrator: a week has passed and dd's file has still not
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arrived from sacramento. pushing the committee another week. >> i know i'm locked up and i can't change that issue. but being locked up again, in assay, makes it everyone worsz. but there's nothing i can do about that, eert. i'm just sitting here awaiting until these people let me out of here. my worst theory is that this issue can drag on and on until they actually do get my file because there's no telling how long it's going to take. i'm becoming irritated because it's like a domino effect. it's just getting worse and worse and worse and nothing is being done to correct the problem. and the problem is so minor and it's so simple that, i mean, i could simply get a correctional officer to come and say oh, yeah. i walked him to r & r the day he paroled. i know he paroled from my unit. but they won't go by that.
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coming up on "lockup" -- scanvinski hymes is on the streets. >> people don't realize i'm really more mellow out here. >> there you go. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> you're welcome, honey. okay. fijit friends. fifteen bucks on rollback. wow! that's a savings of over 29 bucks! twenty-nine bucks!!?? and they're powered by friendship. see for yourself if you could save on the brands you want. walmart. bp has paid overthe people of bp twenty-threeitment to the gulf. billion dollars see for yourself if you could save on the brands you want. to help those affected and to cover cleanup costs. today, the beaches and gulf are open, and many areas are reporting their best tourism seasons in years. and bp's also committed to america. we support nearly 250,000 jobs and invest more here than anywhere else. we're working to fuel america for generations to come. our commitment has never been stronger.
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dee dee waits for a cocktail of hormones and antidepressants. >> thank you. anything else in your pocket? i really don't want to reach in your pocket. >> you want to look? >> did you put anything in there? come on, dude. thank you. get out of here. >> getting in trouble. >> 75% of the parolees that i have sent out, i see them come back. just over a course of time, like i said, the numbers are pretty high. west block, 50. yeah, what's up, man? how many you got? these are six guys that are paroling tonight. going home for hopefully for the rest of their term. so what we'll do now is we will alert these guys, tell them to pack their bags, get ready, we'll pick them up, take them down to r & r, get them on a van and get them out of here. >> all right, gentlemen, listen up. following individuals, thomas, 2 west 33.
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alexander, 2 west -- >> yeah! >> 2 west 8. torres, 3 west 67. >> i heard them call my name. torres for release 367. i'm going to go back home. >> pack it up, you're leaving. >> homey. >> that's just total excitement, let me out of here, please! man, when you get out there? >> get me a steady job pretty much. >> so then you give these guys ten minutes, 15 minutes, and you bring them down. >> pay you by the hour, dog. >> pay you by the hour? >> hey, i'm going to catch up with you. >> so what you going to do, man, when you get out there?
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>> get me a steady job, pretty much. >> there you go. they out there. you can get one. i don't want to see you back, man. >> no, of course not. >> everybody has a chance. like i said, it's just up to him. what's he ready to do? if he's ready to succeed, he will. if not, he won't. it's a 50/50 shot. some make it. some don't. the ones that don't make it, they come right back. the ones that do, that's good. they'll be all right. they'll make it eventually. they'll get tired of doing this, get too old. he even said himself, yeah, i'm tired of coming to prison. okay. we'll see. >> want to climb up? you want to climb up? no. i didn't think so. >> we're in vallejo city park. it's a nice, sunny day, just taking my goddaughter and her sister to the park and watch them play. much better than me sitting in prison. know what i mean? can't even compare it.
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>> after spending 19 of his 37 years behind bars, due mostly to violent crimes inside prison walls, scanvinski hymes is finally a free man. >> i really appreciate the ability to just walk out the door and walk down the street to the store. the little things that i do out here mean so much to me. you can't do it in prison. >> i gotcha. you want to go back on? you want to go back on? >> i'm more of a mellow type out here. people don't realize i'm really more mellow out here, you know, than the things i was doing in there, so -- >> once considered one of california's most problematic inmates, scanvinski has found that the simplest things in life can be the most enjoyable. >> take her around that one. take her on that one. >> this beat anything, you know? this is what life is about, enjoying being around the kids, you know, watching them grow up. that's what i'm trying to see. you know? this is my youngest goddaughter right here. so i'm trying to watch her grow up. you know? to me prison is a breeding ground for more criminal
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activity. you know? i mean, it's not a place you go to, as far as what i've seen, to be really rehabilitating. i think the thing with rehabilitation, you have to rehabilitate yourself. let's go get ice cream. come on. you want ice cream? let's go get ice cream. >> pretty soon i'll probably start a family or something, i don't know. me and my girl. that's another story. you know, i'm 37. i'm still young enough to start a family. but i want to be with somebody that i can be there for them. i want to do it right. be established financially and then have kids. not depend on the state to take care of them. that ain't going to happen. because can't nobody take care of your own like you. >> there you go. >> say thank you. >> thank you. >> you're welcome, honey. >> as a man out here, i'm going to protect my family, you know, and i'm going to protect myself. other than that, i don't see myself going back to prison. there's nothing involved in protecting me or mine, i'm not going back to prison.

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