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off. >> all three suspects are still at large, but have steered clear of trying another robbery at the store. michael wallace remains impressed with mary's shooting skills. >> i would say she was pretty good. we give her the name annie oakley. >> but for mary todd, it's just another day at the office. >> i never did get nervous about it. i was doing my job. i always try to handle any situation in that store. i had protection, and i was willing to use it. are you going to move out? >> do you want to get along
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tonight or do you want to start a war? >> cici doesn't have a right to say get out. >> it's her home but my home, too. >> good night. >> good night. >> do you still think i'm your wife. >> i don't want drama her. >> this is not your house. you said you would not come back unless i wanted you to come back. >> he's like a squatter in your house but you put mints on the pillow. >> she could leave, take her rent money and leave. >> christian and cici are stuck in purgatory. >> nothing is resolved. >> this isn't going to be resolved today. >> will i ever make the right decisions?
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>> i'm christian. i love that breeze. so amazing. >> yeah. >> i live in sherman oaks. >> and so do i. >> i work in film financing and i'm also a professional hand model and actress. >> i create art with writing and film and photography and food. >> he proposed. he was totally unprepared. >> i don't remember the ring. she tells me i got a jack in the box ring or something. was it jack in the box. >> there's no such thing as a jack in the box ring. >> we're divorced. >> and living together. >> are you going to want to look
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at the view or no? >> probably not. i've seen it enough. >> it can be very, very challenging at times. i have a question for you. do you still think that i'm your wife? >> no. i think you're my best friend and my roommate. i'm open to it resuming in a better way. i don't have anyone else in my life. i think you love me like a family member. >> it's a very, very tight place for two people to be living in. he stays here on the couch. this is where he sleeps. we haven't slept in this bed together for over a year. i'm not attracted to him anymore. if he came in here in the middle of the night, i would probably scream. >> i don't normally feel like
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oh, i feel so bad about being divorced. when i think about being kicked out of my bed, i feel really bad. >> i really don't have any privacy. he's here 24/7. i've been paying rent for many months since the separation. the apartment should be mine because i can pay for it. he should get another place. >> i don't blame her for wanting to stay there one bit, because it's her home but it's my home, too. >> i have to remind you that i've been paying the rent here, and i need you to contribute something, you know. >> well, i've been doing all the cooking and cleaning and sweeping and stuff like that. so i figured that was contributing. >> but it's not. i feel like i'm the only one carrying the load here. you wrote down on an i.o.u. that you will pay me for the rent.
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i'm struggling, too, christian. i've been paying for food, gas, rent, everything. >> like we said months ago, this is sort of a thing where we just have to take it day by day. >> christian when they were getting separated, he was pretty hurt and frustrated and not knowing what to do. >> he was e-mailing her and talking to her. he was going to start contacting ultimate people in cece's life. he wanted to turn people against cece at that point. and that's harassment. >> when cece filed a restraining order against me, it was just like possibly the worst thing that's ever happened. i went to a series of friends' houses. i was miserable. i never in my wildest dreams thought i would be couch surfing. >> for the three months, there is peace. i felt like i was also beginning to find myself again. i felt guilty about the restraining order being on his record, so i lifted it because
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he promised me he wouldn't come back. and he had our landlord let him back in. he was not a man of his word. he betrayed me. >> you said you would not come back unless i wanted you to come back. you forced your way back in here and it's really uncomfortable. that's all i'm saying. i need to have my space. i need to heal. of course i don't want you on the streets. >> i'm on a lease. i live there. i don't see any kind of argument that's going to convince me i just need to go sleep in the alley. that seems insane to me. >> we need mediation because i can't live like this anymore. i want my life back. this has just been a train wreck. >> we made a covenant cece and i. when you break a covenant you made with god, he's not going to be very happy about that. >> i really wanted to try to
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keep my marriage together. the last thing i wanted was a divorce. >> cece may be disappointing god but i'm not. i'm trying to fight for the marriage and stick it out. >> you need to move on with your life. i'm trying to let you know you need to move on with your life. i don't want you to hang onto me. >> this is what i'm doing. this is when i'm doing. this has been my coach and mentor pablo. he teaches holding on loosely. that's what i'm doing with you. >> the sad part is that as long as christian is living there, he's going to keep putting her back in this guilty fog where she feels obligated to take care of him. >> reba things when i leave and go to another place you're going to follow me over there and try to get in that place. >> do you believe that? >> i don't know. >> the way you're talking. >> did you see this again, "holding on loosely." do you understand the principle of this? loosely.
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>> i met cece at a monday night bible class. >> i was like, wow, he's tall. i thought he was handsome. >> i liked cece. she seemed to be a fragile, vulnerable, sweet spirit. >> a lot of people i felt like weren't there for me. christian was there for me. i was just so vulnerable at the time. and i just wanted somebody to love me and i wanted to love somebody. i want to start my new life. >> okay, great. >> this is hard. >> can't you go to the manager and talk to him? >> i don't have any grounds for anything? >> yeah, you do. >> if i don't come up with the rent, he has to come up with the rent. if he doesn't -- that's the way it is. >> i think the lease is an excuse. it's month to month, which means at the very least it should only
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take 30 days to resolve this. she could move. she could just take her rent money and leave. >> i just want to do the right thing. i know i can't be an enabler for him. >> i think there's a big guilt factor of abandoning christian. if christian was doing well, she probably would be so happy for him so she could be free to do the same. >> it's such an awful situation to be in. >> i don't want to be interrogated by you anymore. >> i'm not trying to interrogate you. >> i feel like i am being interrogated. >> i'm trying to help you figure out a plano. >> have you hurt him by bailing him out? >> yeah. i was an enabler for him.
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up, and i come out of the bedroom and see him on the couch and i'm just like, okay, when is this ever going to end. okay. got to get breakfast going. i have to get ready. >> i wake up in the morning, and i feel this is where i'm supposed to be. she agrees, because she doesn't wake up in the morning and go, leave. she says, make me breakfast. i feel valued and needed. she comes home and i make dinner. >> okay. i've got to hurry. are you going to be able to do the floors? >> yeah. except we don't have any swifters. we're out of swifters. >> you can go get some, can't you? can't you just walk and get some? >> i guess i could walk. >> you still do owe me. >> i know. that's why i'm willing to pay for it. >> they are the epitome of
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co-dependency. she can't hike without somebody. she wants somebody to comb her hair. christian is the same way. he wants to be in her business 24/7. he can tell her everything from portion control, to the way she puts on makeup to the outfits. she's a girl. i think she can handle the outfit situation. >> okay. have a good day. >> you, too. see you later. >> when i leave for work in the morning, i do feel it's an escape for me. i'm glad that i have that space. >> when cece leaves, sometimes i do need to go back to sleep. i feel the need to crash. i can't function, i can't work, i can't do anything. >> he does have to get to that
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place where he can take care of himself. i want that so much for him. >> i lived with my mom on and off for much longer than our culture would say is healthy. >> good morning. >> what's happening today, jesus? this isn't exactly what i want to be doing but it's cool. being a made basically doesn't exactly help me to feel like a man. what i'd rather be doing right now is painting. i'm missing some hair product. this was the old one. >> i'm completely wasting time on this easter egg hunt. i've learned i don't want cece coming home and seeing me that's how i looked when i woke up.
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man, i think i wasted about 20 minutes on this already. >> what if mozart da vinci, oscar wilde, had just concentrated on paying the bills. >> i don't know why he hasn't gotten a break. he's super, super talented. >> i've got to call john. he's sort of my acting art rep on the east coast. he's helping me with this painting of elizabeth. >> hey, john, how is it going? it's christian. i want to let you know the painting is coming along really
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fast. >> i'm actually in a meeting. >> talk to you soon. bye. >> i'm just going to say my new painting coming along. >> i think christian is a hobbyist. he likes to write. he likes art. he likes a lot of things but he's not getting paid to do it. >> this is what i find happens. twenty minutes on the hair product, twenty minutes object facebook add up. i wonder if successful people like steve jobs, do they do this? maybe they don't. >> today was an awesome day at work. it does feel strange at times going home when christian is there. >> hey. how are you? >> good. how are you? >> great. >> i just want to sit down and rest for a minute. >> chill? >> yeah. >> wow, i love it.
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the hair is coming alive. what do you think? >> i'm not sure what to think about it. >> do you like it? >> it's not finished yet. >> it sounds like you just don't like it. >> what are your plans, christian? >> i'm going to make dinner. but i'm not talking about those plans right now. i'm talking about, are you going to move out? >> i don't think this the place to discuss it. i don't want to discuss it. is that okay with you? >> it's kind of not okay. i really would like to -- >> do you want to start a war? >> i don't want to start a war. of course vopt to start a war. >> you keep asking me this. >> if i don't bring it up, you're not going to -- >> that's not true. when i'm done with the painting i'm going to resume the job search. >> what about going to pavilion's and applying for sacking. >> i've applied. i'm overqualified.
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>> you haven't walked in. >> i don't want to be interrogated. >> i just want to help you figure out a plan. >> you're really raising my blood pressure and stressing me out. >> you have to learn to make it on your own. >> i have to end it here. i'm feeling a tension in my chest. >> nothing is revolved. >> here is what should happen. hey, john, yeah, that's great. so you got a power. so the painting sold. okay. thanks. bye. that could resolve. >> what is he doing with that painting? >> he's working on it. >> he's still working on it. >> and you believe him. >> i have to believe him. >> i have to believe him. if i don't, what am i supposed to do? >> i don't know if he will be a burden on me the rest of my life. i hope he doesn't. he hope he moves on and does really well in life.
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>> setting your alarm? >> okay. good night. >> good night. >> we need mediation, because there is a part of me that worries that he's never going to let me go. >> i don't want drama here. >> this isn't your house. this is cece's house. >> talk to the wall, reba. >> christian, when did you lose your way, to end up just cutting your whole deal for shelter. whole grain, multigrain cheerios! mom, are those my jeans? [ female announcer ] people who choose more whole grain tend to weigh less than those who don't. multigrain cheerios
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>> christian, what's the latest? fill me in. >> not much has changed really. we're doing everything we can to be peaceful. >> you're being like roommates actually. >> we are. we agreed. we're best friends and roommates. >> i feel like i'm in prison. >> he knows you don't want him there? girl, you're from texas. show his [ bleep ] on the lawn. [ laughter ] >> you're going to end up taking care of this man until the day
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he dies. he's sabotaging you. you still want to have a family and kids. >> yeah. >> he's literally going to ride that clock out. do you think he thinks you're going to get back together? >> i think he wants to, but i think he knows at this point in time that that's not where i'm at. >> she wants to see a guy whose independent. it can happen instantly. that's why we're all in hollywood. like that it changes. i knew jessica simpson. i saw her go from nobody to $40 million. >> you're using an extreme point. >> it happens. it happens all the time. >> there's only two things in my opinion that's kept him from finding something to make a living, that's you and his mother. >> i hope i'll be doing like my art rep says and i'll have 10 people in line for portraits and $40,000 each. >> he's okay with not having a romantic relationship with you as long as you're taking care of him. >> i'm just trying to survive and have a roof over my head.
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>> you don't think he wants a romantic relationship with me? >> i don't think he cares. it would be different if he was like i'll sleep on the curb but i can't let you go, i love you so much. >> right. >> at least those intentions would be better than i don't care if you love me, i just need a place to stay. >> i just think that's really hurtful. >> she doesn't want to be alone. she spent 10 years in this extremely co-dependent relationship. and to be out of that is very scary. >> let me go in first and talk to him and see if he's okay with everything. >> what do you mean if he's okay with it. this is your house. >> i know. >> cece, come here. >> yeah. >> this is the thing, you don't
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have to make things okay for him. he's an adult. >> i know. >> you don't have to do this. this is you being co-dependent and you trying to make his world okay. you're not responsible for that anymore. you don't have to do that anymore. >> no, i know. >> you want to because you've been doing it 10 years. you don't have to. >> okay, then come on. >> well, look what the cat drug in. i'm surprised to see you here. >> when reba gets together with cece, i feel like it's a toxic combination. her personality is much more dominant. cece is much more sub missive. >> christian, what are you doing here? i thought you moved out. >> christian is constantly manipulating her and verbally overpowering her and putting her in her place. so when there's confrontation around, she goes back to that place. >> you know what, i don't want drama here. >> this isn't your house. >> you know what, i'm through.
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>> this is cece's house. >> talk to the wall, reba, i'm done. conversation is over. i don't want drama either. so there you go. >> move out. move out. you've been asked to leave 1,000 times. the police asked you leave, the judge asked you to leave, the divorce papers asked you to leave. leave, go, you don't belong her anymore. this is weird. i wouldn't even care if cece wanted you here, but you're imposing at this point. to me she acts like a battered spouse. she gets real quiet like she's trying to disappear because she doesn't have a voice in this relationship. it pains me to see some grown man forcing his way into some woman's home. you're a bully, christian. you're a bully. this is like -- >> give it up. give it up, reba. you're not going to stir up drama. i'm not going to feed into this and i'm not going to do it.
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god bless you. god bless you. >> you sound psychotic. >> you guys can do whatever you want. i'm going to go and get on my laptop, get on facebook. >> you're living off a single woman. it's disrespectful and disgusting. >> sorry you feel that way. >> when you start acting like an adult, maybe people will take you seriously. >> all you do is throw incendiary bombs. >> i'm going to go drive. >> christian, i really don't want you to drive the car right now. will you take a walk. >> i'll take a walk. i'm not going to be here as long as she's here. i'm out. i'm out. >> i don't know. i just feel really strange right now. i'm shaking. >> reba has been dead out for me and i'm --
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it's looking like he's not going to leave. we need to move on. >> cece will say it's horrible and unmanageable and a nightmare but i feel peace about it. >> hi. >> hi, how are you? michelle. very nice to meet you cece. >> hi, michelle. nice to meet you. >> in mediation, my goal is to create a contract the parties can live with in the future and to help christian and cece separate once and for all. >> this the process. we're going to talk a little about goals. i come from a divorced family. i have been divorced. i was a divorce lawyer for 20 years. i am literally marinating in this subject. so who would like to go first?
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>> let's see, the apartment. we both love the apartment. we both want to stay. we both want to move on. i think i can speak for her. we both adopt want to go back. we either want to stay where we're back or up. >> you're speaking like a couple. >> i don't want to go back to people that want to kill me and steal my mom's ashes. >> so you're stuck with this apartment or people that want to kill you and steal your mom's ashes. >> i don't want to go back. >> i want to see that apartment. it must really be something. there's three kinds of separating. there's emotional divorce, physical divorce and the document. they thought they were going to get relief from the document. the document meant absolutely nothing. would you agree with me that the choices you have made you think may not be the best. >> yes. i made horrible choices. >> holding on until your fingers
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are bleeding to what doesn't serve you anyway. possible? >> that's possible. >> let's hear from cece, the living together. tell me what you think the problems are around that? >> well, first of all, i shouldn't be living with him because we're divorced. and at the same time i don't want to see him homeless. >> your projection of him being homeless, tell me more about that. >> that's what he tells me. he doesn't really have a job or any income to support himself right now. >> so he's like a squatter in your house but you put mints on the pillow. right? have you hurt him by bailing him out? >> yeah, i was an enabler for him. >> because you have that connection with him. >> well, no, i'm not emotionally attached. i see him like he's my family. >> that's not an emotional attachment. >> yeah, okay. maybe there is a little bit of an emotional attachment there.
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i don't want to get back together. all i wanted to do was die. literally i wanted to die. >> because that was your way out. >> i need to interrupt. >> hold on. not yet. uh-uh. that was your only way out as far as you could see. >> yes. >> i'd like to talk to you both individually. >> okay. >> so let me talk to you first. >> okay. >> i want to ask you to step out and then it will be your turn and then we'll get back together and see what we have. >> okay. >> i want to talk to you, if i could, about your path. christian is not going to leave. you know that. >> i know that, yes. >> the only way you're going to rescue yourself is that you do the walking. >> right. >> do you know why? >> because it makes me a stronger person? >> hello. emotional currency in the bank. would you like to leave some of these difficult memories behind and start fresh? >> definitely.
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definitely. >> what's with that apartment? it's got ghosts in it. it's killing you. >> i know. i've got to give it up. >> we can't expect christian to cut his life raft. she is the one that's got to do the work. you don't make this move, what's going to happen? you're going to go back into your depression. you're fighting it on a daily basis. you tell me, this is your solution. when would you leave? >> i could leave in two months. >> two months. okay. we'll put that on the list. talk to the landlord. >> when are you going to do when christian says i'm going to be homeless. >> sorry. it's not my problem. >> let him hit his bottom. >> i know. >> let's talk about the emotional contract. what do you want from him? >> well, i would like a six-month break where we don't talk. >> at all. >> he doesn't text me, call me, he doesn't try to e-mail me. >> okay. i'm going to talk to him. then we'll get back together and see what we can figure out.
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>> okay, great. >> thank you. >> here's your chair. >> keep my same chair. >> you're good at that, specialty of the house, stay in the same place. >> symbolic. >> i want to ask you, christian, when did you lose your way? you are so talented to end up just cutting your whole deal for shelter? >> wow, that's not easy to answer. it's a complex mixture of factors. poor choices on my part. the economy. poor choices on cece's part. it's just the way of the world. >> would you say that whatever you're doing isn't working? >> i'm persisting. >> in what? >> in staying alive. my dad committed suicide. i'm not going to follow in his footsteps. >> your dad gave up.
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whatever his reasons are, may his soul rest in peace. >> uh-huh. >> without a doubt, this is a copy cat suicide. >> uh-uh. >> your story line, the economy, cece is strangling you. >> when you're competing with people with harvard degrees that try to work at blockbuster. >> you could get a job. you could be an assistant on movie sets. >> i've gotten jobs. i've had more jobs than anyone i know by far. >> i don't think the job debate helps you at all. >> no, it doesn't. right. >> i think she's going. would you do the only thing she really wants from you and go to the landlord and say i'm off the lease, two months. >> i'm going to get a roommate. >> you're going to put an ad-in right away for a roommate. >> i've done it. >> my perfect world, i'd like to see you both get out of the apartment. it's got too much pain. >> i wouldn't mind leaving
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either. i want to go up or stay the same. that's my boundary, if i have a say anymore. >> you're not going to have a say. she's going. i want a rescue plan. she wants six months with no contact. can you do that? i can see that will be hard for you. >> six months. i don't see the practicality of it. what if something happens in a month, someone could help her out in her career. >> you could contact her for business reasons. >> if that were part of it, that would make sense. >> would you agree not talking about the relationship with her? >> not talking about the relationship is fine. >> would you agree not to talk about how you're homeless or doing badly? >> if i'm homeless, i'm going to tell her. >> this is why she wants the six months. let's just keep it to business. all right. so let's bring her in and see if we can't get this behind us.
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we're making good progress. >> good. >> tomorrow you're going to call the landlord and christian is going to tell them that he's going to try and get a roommate. october 1st, if that works for you, you move out. you have a place, you don't have a place, it's the deal. >> okay. >> nothing is perfect for anybody. he doesn't want you to go. the fact he's going to talk to the landlord and put it all out there is a big deal for him. the sibs month piece, he made a suggestion about that. he agrees not to talk to you except if it's about business. so given that parameter, does that work for you? >> yes. >> deal? >> uh-huh. >> christian, deal? cece? >> so we are going to sign something. >> we're going to write something up and give it to you. >> that's a little scary. >> i thought you would like it in writing. >> i just would feel much better if we just a verbal contract.
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>> then you make it an oral, verbal contract. >> i would rather have no contract at all. >> if you don't honor the contract, you will never have a chance at being friends. you will never be able to believe what either of you say again. that's a big deal. i'm not saying it's going to be easy but you can do it. i am not convinced that cece is ready to go. will she be able to grow a spine and leave him with the potential of him being homeless? i'm not so sure she'll be able to do that. >> life is good, enjoying my second glass of pinot grigio and tonic water on the rocks. >> i still felt like we could move forward and just wondering will i ever make the right decisions. i've just made so many mistakes.
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>> do you want to take this mediation and tear it up and throw it out the window, that's fine. i forgive you whatever you do. >> i don't have complete peace about me leaving right now. a r, try running four. fortunately we've got ink. it gives us 5x the rewards on our internet, phone charges and cable, plus at office supply stores. rewards we put right back into our business. this is the only thing we've ever wanted to do and ink helps us do it. make your mark with ink from chase.
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and tear it up and throw it out the window, that's fine, too. i forgive you, whatever you do. if i can forgive you for a divorce, i can forgive you for not wanting to honor mediation. if you really believe in god, he's going to do what he's going to do. maybe he has plans for me to move to new york next month. that would be awesome. i'd love that. you can keep the apartment. or maybe the plan is you're going to leave for a movie and shooting in europe for six months. or maybe his plan, for whatever reason, is for us to be miserable here. that doesn't make sense at all. it sounds like no, no, no, god doesn't want us to be miserable. sometimes we don't understand his ways. >> christian is trying to hold onto me. i think it's fear. what you said earlier really kind of concerned me when you said, going away six months and
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come back. we're coming back and going to get married? >> you said repeatedly there's a chance that could happen. >> i'm not going to move back in here. >> they say absence makes the heart grow fonder. >> when i leave, i leave. >> six months of not talking to christian, you may be completely in love with me after six months, if that's true absence makes the heart grow fonder. >> no, i'm saying when i leave, i leave for good. i'm going to be moving, christian. we talked about that. i really am. i'm going to be moving. i'm wondering what your plans are. what are you going to do? >> nothing has changed. i'll try to get a roommate to come in here and stay. >> but in order to get a roommate, you're going to have to come up with your side of the rent and you're going to have to have income, because i care. you're not your mother or
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anything. >> i'm not going to talk about it. i don't want to talk about it. i don't want drama and conflict. >> i don't want it either. >> do whatever you need to do. i don't want to talk about it. >> i don't want drama either. i just don't want you to be surprised. that's all. >> this is what i have on craigslist los angeles right now. vhs tapes. i'm sure someone in l.a. muff a need for these. six hours. i have a phone. a cordless phone. perfect condition. that's worth not much. probably cost me $10 or $20 at target about eight years ago. i tried selling my art on ebay and craigslist. it's a joke, unless it's an established name. it's going to be a picasso, something where somebody knows the name. still looking for work. nothing has happened. i'm taking it day by day.
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i'm very, very, very hurt and angry. we had an 11-year marriage. we had a covenant that we would never leave each other. she just decided at some point she wants to bail out. i'm still incredibly angry and hurt about it. i think that the best thing would be if we eventually got back together. i'm not sold on the full speed ahead thing. a month from now, she could be like, you know, he's really turned around, turned his life around. he's kicking butt, making good money. he bought me a new mini cooper. i was taught in this class at our church by professionals that there's a really good chance when she says, i hate you i need for you to really love me the right way. and you've been loving me the wrong way. >> we're divorced. it's not right to be living together. >> a lot of psychologists would say she's not totally in touch with her true emotions.
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subconsciously, there's a part of her that might prefer that things would work out. >>, no, that's not true. >> so you're more open to -- you're more open to me coming over there? >> no, i'm not. >> shut up! shut up! >> hold on. hold only. hold on. can i talk to you? blarng blank
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. you know what we should do? we should divide an conquer. you should start packing up your clothes and i should start packing up the kitchen. >> since she's moving today, i'm just trying to put anything together i possibly can. we've got eight or ten people looking to possibly help me out with the rent or get on a lease or whatever.
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>> he's trying to get somebody else in here to pay all of his rent while he sleeps on the couch. >> i'm going to do whatever it takes to stay here. other than sleeping out in the alley. but i will sleep in here, if that's what it takes. it's a place for a little single mattress or a sleeping bag. i could put a sleeping bag down here and it's six feet. it's perfect. shut my door, have privacy. >> i think it's absurd. maybe there's a sucker out there. >> can you leave me alile bit of this -- some of this coffee? maybe leave me some of the coffee and some of this? i definitely need olive oil. that i definitely need to have. >> he's lucky that i'm leaving. he didn't even let me off the lease. >> i know, but i'm paying for that. >> i'm purposely not letting him
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know where i'm moving to. i don't want him to be messed with right now. >> cici, can i just give you the meat loaf and keep the pan? can i just take it out of the pan? >> i've got to hurry. >> no, christian. leave this stuff alone. it's her food. no. >> what happened to the idea that we were going to work out what you were going to take and leave. >> i have to do it later. >> okay. so you're open to me coming over there -- >> no, i'm not! >> shut up! shut up! >> no! no! you're not coming over! >> you are a foul person. you're foul! >> good, move away from it, then. >> christian, please move. >> why don't you just stew in your evil. i'm getting out of your life because you are evil. wow, what an evil person. this is rape. reba, you are raping me. >> i guess i'm going to have to get this stuff later.
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>> no, you're not coming back here, ci krrksz i. . >> my stuff is just randomly being taken. and then when i simply say, can we come and talk about it later at your place, this evil person suddenly decides i cannot visit my ex-wife's home? still, the best friend i've ever had in my life, married, sleeping in the same bed for 11 years, i can't even visit her home according to that evil woman. >> it wasn't eleven years. >> ten years. ten years. look at her, she's brainwashed. >> i'll have to give you this stuff later. i'll have to go through it. >> you said you would leave a lot of this stuff. krrksz ci, ci, what's snex? >> this is not your business, reba? why, because you're her husband now? yep, you are. that's disgusting. you are disgusting. she doesn't love you.
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here i am, beginning of a 12-year, 13-year, incredibly powerful, bonding relationship. yes, we're divorced, but we still have a soul tie. >> no, you don't. there's no connections. there's nothing. it's done. it's over. it's finished. it's gone. you have nothing. there's no friendship. there's no love. there's nothing. you go. go, go, go, go. everything you say is wrong. cici, hold on, hold on, hold only. can i talk to you? do you agree with what r erksz ba said? >> i feel very, very uncomfortable. >> so i can't even -- i don't even get it -- look at this. this is evil. i can't even say good-bye to my ex-wife. it's pathetic. it's evil. >> this is so sick. it's so sick.
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>> is this good? >> to new beginning? >> to new beginning. thank you. >> oh, awesome. >> it hasn't hit me. i might get really depressed later tonight. i'm not sure. i don't think depression is healthy. i don't think denial is healthy, but i think depression is worse. my biggest enemy is depression. >> he just needed a kick in the head, you know. and it's -- it sucks that it had to be me to do it. but it wasn't his mom years ago. but you know, it's just the way it is, i guess. >> i already miss her. it's hard. we slept in the same bed

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