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i mean when you do your time with a cat for 15 years, you just -- you miss having them around. you know. but, yeah, i said i hope i get out of here so i can pick my little buddy back up. not a whole lot else i want to say except jinkster if you're out there and you're looking at the tv screen right now, it's me you little fella? you know what that means little fella. my little fur ball buddy. hopefully i'll get out there soon. you can show me what the free world's about.
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>> a convicted murderer seeks legitimacy for a religion prison officials expect is a front for prison gangs. we have turned our cameras over to the inmates to share personal thoughts within the privacy of their cells. >> welcome to the belly of the beast. >> i hate wabash. >> who wants to be locked in a room for 8 1/2 hours a day. the 3 1/2 hours we come out is to go get the worst food you ever ate in your life.
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i don't even know how they call it food. >> every day, things people take for granted, we cherish right now. wabash, a maximum security prison on the western edge of indiana, the centerpiece of carlisle. the inmate population of nearly 2,200, outnumbers local residents four to one. it is approximately 35%. the most violent are housed in single person cells, 23 hours a day in the secured confinement unit. few, however are more notorious than leonard, who has spent 16 years here. >> he still is escorted anywhere
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he goes by staff. two-man escort. cuffed behind the back. recreation is, by himself. don't get to rec with the other people. his activities are limited. it is all by himself. that unit is designed for people like mccoy. everybody in there knows his history. >> the most infamous chapter occurred serving time at indiana state prison, 17 years earlier when he stabbed a corrections officer to death. >> we approached him. stabbed him one time in the front chest area. broke a rib he stabbed him with force. the sound of it targeted a staff member one range over to respond. when he respond heed actually observed the second stab to the back. according to the reports. before the officer actually died, they said that he told them that he didn't know he was going to make it or not. and mccoy is the one who actually stabbed him. >> at the time, mccoy was
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serving 20 years for sexual battery. he was sentenced to an additional 60 years after being found guilty of murdering the officer. despite the eyewitness accounts, mccoy still proclaims his innocence. >> mcquay will soon reach a milestone. his time in confinement is about to surpass the years he spent free in outside world. >> you know how sometime you can be in an environment like this and a person begins to see you as a mad dog. like every chance you get, you just going to lose control or you are going to snap or something -- on somebody. that's not me. >> periodically, mcquay files
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requests to be moved back to general population where he would have considerably more privileges. >> i still believe that leonard mcquay has an ulterior motive. >> the first person he need to win over is administrative segregation case manager, bevery gilmore. >> we are know tonote rising wh. we all get along with leonard. very likable. very charismatic. so friendly. but he is so overly friendly. it's so fake. it's not for real. >> since coming to wabash, mcquay has been involved in several incidents that enforce his violent reputation. >> a few years ago, he was on rec bed. he asked for a basketball. when they handed the basketball, he came through the door, pushed his way through. began assaulting a couple staff members. and several staff respond add long with myself and -- there
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was about six of us to finally restrain him and get him down on the ground and get him in cuffs. >> sometime emotionalism can push you over the edge. sometime, you can regret after becoming so emotional, the things that you do. especially when you know that one action can result in a lifetime of mitzery. -- lifetime of mitz mitz miser. >> mcquay said he had a change after converting to islam. mcquay its not the only inmate who says he has gone through a spiritual transpour maformation coming to prison. marcus murray is a self proclaimed priest of a little joan j joan germanic religion.
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>> it is the prechristian religion of northern europeans. >> hail all ye, holy gods. hear me now, your son of -- >> it has proven popular among white inmates in prisons nationwide. murray says he discovered it shortly after coming to wabash, 11 years earlier. he is serving a 60 year sentence for beating another man to death and says the religion, which worships nordic god has helped him come to grips with the murder. his thor hammer pendant and prison tattoos are symbols of his faith. >> they're all norse, viking age is a large portion of, study viking age history. >> the prison officials have begun to see it as something
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else. a front for white supremacist gangs. members have been allowed to hold services that some prisons. but wabash has band gatherings. >> the gang members are using services to have gang meetings within the services itself. it has been disruptive at other facilities. >> murray denies any ties to white supremacist gangs and decided to file a grievance to appeal the ban on group meetings. >> it is not a gang. it does not promote gang men tal ttal -- men tal ttality. it hasn't stod him from -- it h stopped him from recruiting new members. he's been teaching me what the hammer means and what the
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different goddesses and gods are. >> jones, who also denies being a white supremacist came to wabash three years ago at age 18. he was sentenced to six years for burglary. >> i hang out with the wrong people. i was strung out on drugs. and i breck inoke into a house. took a tv. tattoo gun. took them and sold them for drugs. >> house he robbed was his father's. >> when my dad called the police i strongly believe it was my son junior. it killed him to do it. >> jones says he would look to rebuild a relationship with his father and will soon hatch the chance. he leaves prison on parole ein one week. >> you are not enjoying the weather are you? why would you enjoy the weather? you get to enjoy that all when you go home. next week. next thursday. >> he wants to be influenced.
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he is still being molded as a man. you know he is still a kid. he is turning into somebody. >> delivering papers. >> that's just temporary. just time to find a real job. >> just glad you have aspirations. >> what does that mean? >> coming up -- >> i got $100 tattooed on my penis. >> two boyhood friend, find them self at a crossroad. >> i am asking you, miss gilmore to open your heart. >> leonard mcquay tries to rehab his image. i treat him with respect. but i do not trust him. when the kids come to grandma's we make sure they eat healthy.
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and say i have always been the best for them. matter of fact their lives probably would have been a lot better without me in it. >> the wabash correctional facility is ice layed with miles of corn and soybean field. some of the state's most violent inmates are housed here. and they have been known to hurt each other. james stone has been in prison for the past 25 years for attempted murder. and he has had more than a few scrapes in that time. while some inmates have been nun to create knives out of toothbrushes or nearly anything else. several years agesho when stones at another prison he devised a new like weapon. >> the cheese graters was leather work gloves that i had that i took pad off welding gloves, the inside the welding gloves, i took the pad off of
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them. put varnish, dipped them in vanish. pad on top of the varnish, let it dry until it got good and tacky. drich do drip down into the varnish. went to the drill shop, curly qs are, metal curly qs. dippeden a bunch of them. looked like a metal bush on top of the gloves. then let them dry for a men out. then i ran them through the top layer of the varnish in the can, keep them from breaking off. and let them dry on your hand while your hands stay balled up. once they dry they last forever. every time you hit some one like taking cheese through a cheese grater, not pretty. like making slaw. >> among the population of seasoned inmates like stone are two young sons. once boyhood friend on the outside they now rely on each other for survival on the inside. >> we met like a different,
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places we hang out when we was, what? >> 13, 14, maybe at the latest. maybe even 12. >> rby is serving six years for armed robbery. and is no stranger to prison. >> i will be 23 in a couple dates. with parole violations, altogether i have came to prison five times. but if i keep coming eventually it is going to be. i don't want that. i really don't have nobody out there. i wish i had some place to go. i wish i could get on my feet and get a job and live life productively. i don't want to keep coming here. this ain't for me. for anything happened wrong with bro he is going to help me stay out. >> you hear me? you know. >> unlike his boyhood friend in and out of prison five times. this is bradley napier's first time behind the walls. as juvenile.
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he was first placed on house arrest. now serving 15 years for burglary and criminal gang. >> when i heard my sentence, i was crying. at 18, getting 16 years, you know, it seemed like forever. seemed like, oh, man. i ant nevin't never getting out snow b know? we got a good relationship. talk to ooch otheach other craz. >> it is always real good afterward. >> though they are from the same hometown, their lives in prison would make it seem like they're from different side of the track. >> his tv is a little older model. my tv is one of the flat screens they started selling. it's expensive. but it's, just a bigger picture, you know what i mean. everything in here is ours, you know what i mean? it's not -- whatever is mine is
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his, whatever his is mine. that's the way we live. you know what i mean? >> thanks to support from his family, napier has more money to spend on commissary. so once a week he load up for both himself and his cellmate. >> he eats half of everything. oh, man. he need to carry half of everything. robbie! robbie! [ bleep ] -- >> why would you just grab that? >> all the commissary goes in one box. we both eat out of it. he doesn't have a lot of things going for him that i have. so it is hard for him to stay on the right path. >> one thing he does have is an abundance of tattoos. >> i got these praying hand for my dad. my mom's name in the heart. honor thy mother.
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honor thy father. i have my south side done. my neighborhood where i am from. over here is money bags. naked girls. everybody likes naked girls and money. all clowns up there. and ain't too much meaning behind those. >> didn't you have $100 bill. >> i do got a $100 bill tattoo. >> where is senate. >> that's crazy, bro. >> i got $100 bill tattooed on my penis. >> oh. >> so what do you tell the girls about that, man? >> i mean, that's money to blow. >> the aimage on his body tells part of the stories. it's the pictures tucked in a photo album that tell the rest. >> how often do you look at it? >> every night. >> he hasn't seen his son in more than two years. he has had a contentious relationship with his son's mother. >> since i came become to prison. me and her got into it.
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i've came become to prison. i ant sein't seen him at all. 26 months ago. napier is also the father of a young boy. 2-year-old bradley jr. >> this is what he sent for my birthday. a lit thing that came, he coloreded color on and put stickers on. it's my life. my world. >> their relationships to their sons are also marked by a have/have not quality. unlook mcnellie, napier enjoys regular visits with his child. >> i wouldn't be able to go through what he is going through. not seeing my son. >> there ain't no reasoning behind 26 months. >> that's just how it is. we're in two different places. >> mcnellie longs for a visit with his son. marcus murray has been playing father figure and teaching his religious beliefs to william jones jr. jones is two days away from leaving prison on parole.
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murray says he hopes that the religion will help keep him from returning to prison. >> so when you are hanging out at the house and you roolize you got bills to pay or something like that, and somebody comes over, and they offer you, the opportunity for you to -- make a little bit of easy cash, you know, go rob something, things go bad, things break bad. people get involved. people that weren't supposed to be there come out with shot guns. you get killed. you end up being another justin. another heartbreak i have to deal with. >> right. >> i have been through this before. i have had friend of mean that i -- taken under my wing. youngsters. that get out before i do. any way. and they get out there. they mess up. in fact, i lost a friend, sick years ageshgs justin got shot by a police officer in indianapolis. i feel lick i failed him. >> i promise you will i send you a card for every month you are out there. but if you come back.
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i will send a blanket party your way. >> i'm not coming back, bro. >> all right, thank you. >> coming up -- leonard mcquay gets a job and a chance to prove himself. >> now that was to the dislike of some of my supervisors. they thought that i had lost my mind. >> and later -- marcus murray lashes out when religious member says the wrong thing. >> you just made us look like a bunch of [ bleep ] [ bleep ]. nt. dentures are very different to real teeth. they're about 10 times softer and may have surface pores where bacteria can multiply. polident is designed to clean dentures daily. its unique micro-clean formula kills 99.9% of odor causing bacteria and helps dissolve stains, cleaning in a better way than brushing with toothpaste. that's why i recommend using polident. [ male announcer ] polident. cleaner, fresher, brighter every day.
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every day islamic prayers can be heard drifting from the cell of leonard mcquay at the wabash correctional facility in indiana. >> five times a day. it is mandatory for, muslims, all over the world, five times a day. >> mcquay is serving 60 years for the murder of of a corrections officer at an indiana state prison 16 years earlier. since then, he has been an
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administrative segregation at wabash's secured confinement unit. >> when he arrived. >> while mcquay says his koran has helped him grow spiritually, the other books in his cell have helped him grow physically. >> this is what i call my weight bag. where, every day i do me some curls, right. i do these. i do shrugs, what they call shrugs. do these. i do, back arms like this. like this. it's probably about, about 55, 60 pounds. mcquay has spent years trying to earn his way back into general population. but his history as a violent offender continues to haunt him. >> i basically engaged in what i kid to be emotional response to
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being disrespected. >> i was warned, when i came into this job, regarding offender leonard mcquay. leonard is very smart. very, very clever. he can talk a great talk. >> though caseworker beverly gilmore raised serious questions about mcquay's trust worthiness. her goal ties give segregation inmates an opportunity to prove themselves. so she recently made a controversial decision. after mcquay's successfully completed a prison life skills program she gave him a job in the housing unit. >> i did make him a sanitation worker. now that was to the dislike of some of my supervisors. they, thought that i had lost my mind. i would never, they say, let him get out of his cell. i said let's give him a chance the i tacklked to leonard.
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i said one time you passing a scrap of pay r per, you will be without your job. we are watching him closer, at least miss gilmore is, i have something to prove. i think he can do it. >> change is gauged by behavior. if you are actually changing your behavior must change. and i believe my behavior has changed. >> mcquay hopes a positive job performance will help him win his transfer. and his fate will be determined at the next review less than a week away. >> the bottom line is, i am still somebody that deserves respect, and treated look a human being. if it is given to me, i will give it. treat me like a human being. give me respect and courtesy of a human being and not an animal. and you will receive the same. >> coming up -- an asatru follower speaks out of turn. >> i don't have nothing against --
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i'm milissa. it is possible president george h.w. bush could be released from the hospital. they're take everything one day at a time. he has been hospitalized more than a month due to a persistent cough. >> chicago standing by for a winter storm moving across the midwest. it has the the city under advisory. snow and sleet are expected overnight. and temperatures are predicted to fall below freezing. more news later now. become to "lock up." >> due to mature subject matter, viewer discretion is advised. >> isolated in rural southwestern indiana, the wabash valley correctional facility is more than 100 miles from a major urban center.
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but it has plenty reminders of urban problems behind its walls. >> wabash valley has approxim e approximately 43 different gangs and gang members. that doesn't reflect suspected members. they're all confirmed member. we have approximately some where between 200, 300 suspected gang members at this facility. >> most of the gangs are divided along racial lines. but the majority of gang members here belong to white supremacist gangs. the aryan brotherhood and knights. prison officials suspect a growing religious group, asatru may bea front. one of the asatru leaders at wabash denies that. >> there has never been anything in my study that says, one race is more dominant over another. one culture more dominant than another. or one religion dominant over
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another. asatru believers believe our religion is fine. your religion is fine. >> guy radcliff, practicing asatru for several years here. says there is one group who is not welcome. >> if we find out that somebodien tsomebody in the asatru community was a child molester he would be banned. he cannot participate. it is a bylaw. you cannot bea sex offender. >> ratcliff who used the group's name defended the fact that some members have swastikas tattooed on their body. >> the swastika was around a long time before adolf hitler was around. i don't have anything against adolph, but he took something from my religion which was a sun wheel, and made it part of his party. it goes become to ancient
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civilizations. they had a swastika in persia way before national socialism came along. >> while radcliff defended asatru, his comments disturbed murray who let him know how much when he returned to his cell. >> you just made us look like a bunch of [ bleep ]. >> i tried to talk about this with you. i swear i did. sorry, marcus. i [ bleep ], bud. i'm sorry. i apologize. try not to get mad hat at me, m. >> hard not to, man. you just sank my boat. >> later, we told murray we recorded his exchange with radcliff. and asked him to explain it. >> i was a little mad. i mean, it -- he didn't mean, mean any harm. he just -- you know, ignorant of the, the conduction of leadership roles, you know, and
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i think now that he -- has seen, you know that, that it, set me and knows that, it is not really how we do business, i think he has changed his point of view. >> murray hopes to also change the point of view of prison officials. he will soon have a hearing with administrators. to appeal their ban on group worship services among asatru members and to have it removed from the list of security threat groups. robbie mcnellie faces a different challenge. he feels isolated from his young son, but from his boyhood friend who just happens to be his cellmate. >> my celly, a great dude, been knowing him for years. and even before we cam to prison. but i got my problems that i ain't seen my son in two years. and -- [ bleep ] he gets to
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tripping acting lick he knke he how i feel. and stressing if he don't see his son in a week. gets visit in every week. everything possible to get in here. he got it. and i'm in here. >> mcnellie, wearing his frustration in prison ink. >> that says vengeance. i have had a lot of wrong done to me. i hurt a lot. i seek revenge. a lot of animosity built up when i go out. i am hoping i can let things go for my sake and son's sake. ain't worth it to come become to prison over. >> he points to another tattoo as the source of his frustration. >> the mother of my child. kind of mad that she has withheld my son from me. >> that could be changing. a recent letter and her submission of a visitation request are indications she is planning to bring his son to see him. >> this in a the first time she says she is going to come visit. let me be in his life.
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all of a sudden just falls off again. so i am not really going to get my hopes up. last time i seen him. he couldn't walk, couldn't talk. nothing. i can't wit to see him. >> he clings to the hope that the visit will take place. his cellmate, brad napier is enjoying one of his regular visits with his two-year-old son, brad junior and his son's mother. jessica corn. >> say, touchdown! >> touchdown! >> bradley talks abbout his dad. he pulls up. sees the guard tower. that's daddy's house. daddy's house. great, he sees the guard tower and razor wire and thinks of his dad. in a sense that is his dad's house. he is excited to see him. >> this type of one-on-one between an inmate and child is rare in most maximum security prisons where visits typically take placen a large common area choked with noise and distractions. but napier's session is in a
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private play room. part of the prison's fatherhood program. >> the fatherhood program, is great, man. buzz i get to spend a lot more time with my son. i get to come in this visiting room. in this visiting room. everything is great. it is one-on-one. me and him. running around here. playing ball. >> the monthly visits are carefully monitored by the program's coordinator, joshua cullens. >> they have a responsibility, what we are freeing to teach them. even though they're in prison that doesn't give them a cop out not to be a dad. >> oh, my gosh. >> you are okay. buddy, get up. >> come on. >> hit his head. let me kiss it. go tell daddy, kiss it. kiss it. >> no. off awe you will be all right. >> say, you are beast mode. i'm beast mode. >> you're all right. >> daddy's beast mode. >> glad to see you, mr. nap
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pichlt napier. have a seat. >> following each visit. >> let's talk about bradley crying. >> i think when he starts crying, i say brady get up. you are fine. he is raised by a whole bunch of women. and, little boys raised by a whole bunch of women get babied. i don't want my isn't to grow up getting babied all the time. i want him to have a little toughness about him. because the world is tough. you know what i mean. get up. you got to go on anyway. >> i understand where you are coming from. i am going to give you a suggestion. it is okay for him to cry. it is okay for you to say that he is okay. and then, address the situation and move on. it kind of seemed that -- some of your patterns came from -- just, okay, quick fix, let's get him on to something else so he stops what he is doing. it okay to acknowledge why he is crying, find out why he is crying and move on from that. do you understand what i'm saying? appreciate you coming in. >> thank you. >> no problem. >> i look to hear insight on what people think about how i am
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as the a father. i am going to give it some thought about it. but, i know how to be a father. i have done good with it, you know? >> coming up. >> man. >> william jones says good-bye to his monitor and hello to life on the outside. >> don't come back. >> leonard mcquay argues for a transfer out of confinement. >> that's all he need. bright students are getting lost in the shuffle. and administration's work gets more complex every year. when you look at these issues, do you see problems or opportunities? with an advanced degree in education from capella university, you'll have the knowledge to meet these challenges and make a difference in the lives of students. let's get started at capella.edu. why let constipation stry miralax.? mirlax works differently than other laxatives. it draws water into your colon to unblock your system naturally.
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correctional facility. most of the 2,200 convicted felons housed here, treat it as one more routine day of incarceration. but not william jones jr. today, after three years. he is going home. >> how do you kneel today? >> nervous. i am happy to leave. but it sucks to have to leave people here. >> the one inmate he most hates to leave behind is his close friend and spiritual mentor marcus murray who is serving 60 years for murder. >> what's up, man? >> it's going to be hard, dude. >> you're going to miss me. >> i'm going to miss you, man. >> be cool, man. >> all right. >> while jones spend his final moments in prison, just outside the walls, his older brother casey and casey's family arrive
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to pick him up. >> me and my brother are pretty close. i am just glad i get to pick him up, not have to leave him here. i have pin up here like eight different times. and it was hard. >> have a good one. >> you too. >> good luck. stay out of here. >> it feels different. i guess there is nothing like walking out of prison. i guess. >> all right. >> being in jail know it real cool. i don't like it. >> get in there. >> what's your name? >> jones. >> here are your clothes. >> thank you. >> did you get your property and we'll escort you out of here. >> releasing one from gate two.
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>> let's go. >> come on, billy, run to me. >> don't come back. i don't want to see you anymore. >> i aein't coming back. >> one step at a time, sir. >> a little bit of normal. >> let me do the honors. >> man. >> cigarettes in the car. >> can't have them right now. >> take a picture. >> oh, man. finally. >> all right. >> everybody in. >> while jones savors his first moments of freedom. back inside wabash, convicted
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murderer leonard mcquay fights for a different kind of freedom. he has a review hearing with his case manager to determine if he is ready to be released back into general population from administrative segregation. the only world he has known for the past 16 years. >> you are going all the way out with it. dog leash and all. >> the prospect of mcquay, killer of a corrections officer, being released back into general population naturally has some staff on edge. >> offender mcquay, he comes off as a very well-spoken, polite individual. that being said, he does have the conduct history with assault on staff. the murder charge of the staff member from the previous facility. so, he, even though he does come across as a polite individual, you always have to keep that in mind when you are dealing with him. >> he is so evil. he is so barbaric, putting all
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them chains on that guy like that. >> i do not trust him. i treat him with respect. but i do not trust him. >> the last time mcquay had a review with case manager bevery gilmore, she approved his request for a job. he hopes he can persuade her he is ready for general population. >> hi, mr. mcquay. how are you? >> i'm all right, mrs. g. how you be? i have my presentation for you. >> mr. mcquay, what makes you a good candidate for release from administrative segregation into the offender general population? >> i have engaged in rehabilitation that has allowed me to take a retrospective look, not only at my past, violent behavior, and my new more humbled progressive behavior. and i believe that i have made
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some significant strides in my social relationship with staff. >> all right, leonard. you talk a mighty fine talk. however, how are we to be assured that you actually have soaked this in and believe it down into the bone marrow? >> i am asking you, miss gilmore and asking the administration here to open your hearts and look at me as a human being who has made some terrible mistakes, who has come back from the grave. i am a new man. and the only way that this new man can shine is that you give me the opportunity. please, give me a chance. that's all i need. i won't let you down. >> i will sum rye thi summarize statement. thank you. >> thank you. >> they got reason to be concerned because of prior incidents. you know, associated with me.
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and the only way that they can see that i am not only a changed man, but ready to do something different with my life, is to let me have an opportunity. i haven't had a chance, and that's what i am hoping for. >> coming up, marcus murray defendants asatru. >> you have a salute like white supremacists do. >> no, sir. >> and a decision is handed down on leonard mcquay. i think your friends will understand. oh no, it's actually my geico app...see? ...i just uh paid my bill. did you really? from the plane? yeah, i can manage my policy, get roadside assistance, pretty much access geico 24/7. sounds a little too good to be true sir. i'll believe that when pigs fly. ok, did she seriously just say that? geico. just click away with our free mobile app. before taking abilify, an antidepressant alone helped me get out from under.
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prison a little more than two year. in all that time he hasn't had a single visit with his 3-year-old son. recent contact with the child's mother had given him hope that a visit might be imminent. but now the child's mother represented in a tattoo on mcnellie's arm changed her plans. >> she had been talking about for the past 2 1/2 months now, going to bring trey down there. going to bring trey down there. all of a sudden. this year, too busy. think i will turn her into a clown. bro, i will turn her into a clown. >> he just talks. he loves that girl -- >> she ain't worth [ bleep ], she aein't worth [ bleep ]. >> later he revealed one possible reason why the mother of his child has not fol led throuled -- followed through on visits. he said it was an incident beaver he returned to prison.
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something he rarely talks about. >> it was a domestic battery. i haven't seen him since then which was -- yeah, the last time i seen him was the night that happened. >> he can only accept the consequences of his actions and do little control developments with those left behind on outside to. day marcus murray is hoping to make the big change on the inside. >> how are you doing? >> he filed a grievance to have asatru removed from the threat groups or gangs. today security threat group manager, and superintendent, have granted murray a hearing on the matter. >> if you were in a leadership position and you saw some one coming into your community or into your services, with ill-will or intent to participate in security threat group activity what would your take on that be? >> i would tell them to go back from whence they came.
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there is no rooeason to bring i will in, it is a sacred place. if one person is sick in the group. we are all sick. if you are in the community you have a say-so. if it is anything controversial. it does get voted on. >> can you elaborate on that a little bit? >> let's say, somebody had a new idea for how we salute each other. >> you say salute. you talk about greeting someone. >> like particular handshakes or something. like, as a fraternity. you know, people look to -- set themselves apart. >> you stated that you -- or your, community, have a greeting that you refer to as a salute. could you show me what that refers to? >> no, i never said that. >> no. no. >> you mean, like we say something, we say hailsa, hello and good health. >> you weren't referring to a gesture? >> no, no. >> body language or anything
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lake that? >> like a lot of white supremacists do when they do hitler salute. >> no, sir. >> i have one major question here, what is your input on other races joining your community? >> we will discriminate against no one. regardless of race, gender, sex, creed, nationality, origin, or of their religion the we won't discriminate from that. >> have you had a minority in the leadership role? >> no. >> if that opportunity arose, would that be allowed? >> yes it would. >> mr. hendricks do you have any more questions? >> no, not today. >> marcus do you have any questions for us? >> no, i don't. >> thank you very much. >> the final decision could still be weeks off. but the wait is over for leonard mcquay. prison officials have denied his request to be moved back to general population. >> it seems like he has everything in the word going for him. but when you really sit down and you really listen, off the, off the unit, when he
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