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>> go on in. >> there was a concern about giving you that break because you were right there on the wall. >> yeah, i know. >> it could have gone either way. >> i know. >> the only reason you got that break because the lieutenant said, i believe this kid can turn it around. don't disappointment me. you change your own destiny. >> yeah. >> so, you've got to stay out of trouble, okay? >> i'm doing my time, not starting no trouble. what it is is, i'm trying to learn how to walk away from it. that's going to be hard. things happen. around a bunch of men and we all got our own issues, stuff happens. >> samuels' behavior inside prison determines the length of his stay. but with little education and no plans, it's going to be a tough road ahead. >> i haven't been in school
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since the fifth grade. >> you've been locked up since the fifth grade. >> in and out of jail. >> youth authority. >> youth authority. >> right into the adult system. okay. so what are you going to do with a fifth grade education? >> to be honest with you, i don't even know, whoever will hire me, i have to get a job, or i'll keep getting violated. >> based on your history and based on where you're at and your recent behavior, you're not in a position where you're going to succeed. you need a plan and you need to be a realist. you need to change some things. we've talked about this. >> yeah. >> if you don't change it, i'll see you soon. that's just the reality of breaking that cycle. it's a vicious cycle. okay? you ready to go back?
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>> america's prisons. dangerous, often deadly. there are 2 million people doing time. every day is a battle to survive and to maintain order. >> down on your feet, down! >> among the nation's most notorious institutions, san quentin state prison. our cameras spent months documenting life on the inside where gangs, drugs, and sheer boredom make up a violent mix. this is "lockup san quentin: extended stay." >> san quentin is home to more than 3,000 inmates ranging from the most violent offenders in california. >> i'll rob you in a minute. >> i pulled a gun on this man and shot him six times in his chest. >> to the all too common parole
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a violators flooding the system. >> i do drugs. that's my violation. >> the overpopulated san quentin serves as the reception center for 17 counties in california. >> there's 384 inmates in this gym. right now i have six members. >> it's forced to house a dangerous mix of high and low risk inmates. >> you got the drugs, you got the inmates to manufacture alcohol, you got the gangs, the weapons. so it can be real dangerous at times. >> i've been a pretty successful robber. >> level 4 inmates, the worst in california are housed at san
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quentin while awaiting permanent transfer to other facilities. >> i used to rob stores, you know, and that in itself is a rush that you can't explain. it's like whoa, i can -- i own the world. i can do whatever i want. i can better than any ceo in the world, i can instruct you to do whatever i want you to do with a pistol, you know? it's adrenalin you can never get from anything else. unfortunately, there's the consequences because you know, i got a strike my years have doubled, which is like up to 521 years. and i got 11 consecutive life sentences. i know why i'm here, but i can see why most of you are here. stupid. >> in our three months of taping, we never heard an inmate so willing to detail his own crime, especially with an appeal pending. >> i've invaded many a home, not necessarily the ones i was
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convicted for. all right? i've invaded other people's homes, you know. people that play the same game i play, sell drugs whatever. i go in this home. >> how he'd you get in? >> through the front door. how do you get in. >> the door wasn't locked? >> of course, if it's locked, you go through it, break down the door. alarm goes off. each of us take a room. got to cover everybody at one time. because it could be dangerous you can get killed just, as well i take a room, which happened to be a son's room, kick him, wake up. wakes up, flashlight in his eyes and black room, he don't know what's going on. throw him down, put his ankles together, zip him up, it looked like he was like somebody in high school. he had trophies, you know,
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little athletic sport guy, you know, played football you could tell, things like that. so i could see him trying to be a hero or something for his family, you know? so that was my concern, okay? maybe he might be a threat. not that i'm really worried about it. it just means that i might have to do something i don't want to do such as shoot him or whatever you know? i'm not going to fight. i'm not here to see who can win. i'm here to win. at this time, he's calling out to his little sister which is right next door almost. you know, and that's my little sister, she's only 14, bro, leave her alone. this and that. that's fine. i'm not worried about her, i'm worried about you right now. i guess the father came down from the stairs, turned the alarm off. at that time, he was greeted by other people, turned the alarm
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off. once you got it under control, this is going to sound lake a dirt bag, but i'm keeping it real, you can actually sit down, drink one of their sodas, make one of their salads, hell, you can watch an hour of tv if you want. you can leave in their car when you're done. >> you and that 14-year-old girl. >> okay. >> put yourself in her shoes. do you think you've changed anybody's life in that home? >> most definitely. i mean, i've wrecked on my bicycle when i was a kid and i remember that, let alone something like that. you know, i mean, i didn't say i didn't have no remorse for them. you asked me the story. i told you. that's why i said, you lib by the gun, you die by the gun. there's so much truth to that. i mean, i may not die physically, but emotionally i
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might have died, you know? that's why we're here. you know, a lot of people are like, you got good spirits. how do you do it? i couldn't even imagine being in your situation. i'm like, well you know what? i think i deserve this. you know, i knew better what i was doing, i was doing. i knew the consequences. i knew the rules to the game. i played it, and i lost. now to sit here and be miserable and make other people miserable because of my wrongdoing, it's not the right way to be, you know? i know how to live comfortable in here. >> coming up on lockup: extended stay, nearly 20 years on death row, now he's out. >> i wanted the death penalty, to be honest with you. ♪ [ male announcer ] staples has always made getting office supplies easy. ♪ another laptop?
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>> reporter: san quentin is home to the only operating execution chamber in california. and a condemned row that houses the highest level inmates in the state. >> as of today, we have 644 inmates on death row. and 622 of them are currently housed at san quentin. the other 22 are either out to court or seeking medical attention somewhere possibly in federal jurisdiction outside of the state. >> san quentin's condemned row houses california's most heinous criminals such as the night stalker richard ramirez, the man who killed polly klass, richard allen davis, whose crime led to california's three strikes law, and scott peterson, convicted of murdering his pregnant wife.
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>> the bottom line is, we don't allow filming in condemned row simply because it's department policy. >> though denied access to condemned row, our producers found an inmate who lived there for nearly 20 years. >> when i arrived on death row, it was in the winter of '91. i remember because it was real cold, there was icicles on the ground. my conviction for the death penalty was the double felony, the murder then the robbery, but you know, if you move a person from one spot to another so many feet, it's kidnapped. so they claimed it was kidnapped and threw another felony on there. during that time, i was young. i was wild. i was angry. the jury verdict was it wasn't something i didn't expect. so, you know, at that time, and point, i wanted the death penalty, to be honest with you.
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because i wanted to come up here and you know, hang out until i was executed. but then that changed as time went on. death row is the worsest place on the planet. extinction, it's over with. the finality. you stay in your cell for orientation for several days until you meet the committee. then you go meet the committee. that's when the process really starts. from that point forward, then that's when you start to realize you're really on death row. a lot of people can't deal with it so they commit suicide. or they become introverts. and they start to go crazy. my case was overturned in 2003 for a violation. so i was sent back to the county jail to have a new trial. i lost the trial again and they hung on the death penalty. so they decided after about several months not to refile the death penalty.
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so they sent me back to san quentin. it feels good to be off death row, but it hasn't sunk in yet. you know, it will in time but it hasn't yet. they remove me from death row and put me in the reception center. the reception center is the most disgusting place in san quentin. i don't know how i ended up over there, but they removed my a-1 as a status. that means i was receiving all the benefits of programming, contact visits, packages, you know, yard. but they put me in reception center status which is zero status. you receive nothing. you sit in the cell for 24 hours a day. seven days a week, two days out of a week you get yard for three hours and the rest of the time you're stuck in a small cell with a cellie. i haven't had a cellie in 20 years, so it's hard learning cell etiquette. i'm a fish out of water.
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>> he still hasn't learned yet. they should have gave him medical attention before they brought him in the cell. mental attention. >> mental attention. >> yeah. >> dude has issues still. >> yeah, got issues. you spend 20 years on death row, you're going to have issues. >> he has big issues. >> i was lucky, i was very lucky and they put me in a cell with elder black gentleman who's been around and you know, he's open to teaching me so he's teaching me about cell etiquette and prison etiquette again because i don't know about prison etiquette any longer. i only know about death row etiquette which is different from main line etiquette. >> me and joe joe, we play cards. that what we do all day every day. >> the in case you're interested, if you see this woman right here anywhere, you tell her to write me.
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and i mean that. >> he means that. he's serious. >> with a full life now ahead of him, omar's focus has turned to helping others. >> now i want to lib. i want to live and i want to accomplish things. i want to help the young brothers. i want to help my people during my incarceration, i've learned math and a bunch of other things, history. i would like to share some of this stuff with young brothers coming in the prisons from the community i come from, who i know are going to come to prison, they're going to have dates and when they leave prison, they're going to leave with the same thing they came to prison with, nothing. and i want to get these brothers basic education, teach them basic mathematics, basic reading. i want to teach them this is not it. they don't want to come in and spend the rest of their life being told what to do, to be free, maybe when they go home, they'll feel good about themselves and take care of
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despite temporarily housing some of the worst inmates in california, san quentin is actually a level 2 facility, permanently housing mainly lower level inmates who are serving out life sentences. >> i've been in prison 29 years this december. i was arrested at age 21 for a second degree murder. and i've been incarcerated ever since. i was so young, i just felt like my life is over.
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i've got a life sentence. it's over. i came to prison and started into the same behavior. i was like for the first nine years, i was using whatever i could, drugs, prison alcohol. just trying to do anything that i could to escape the reality of my situation and what i had done. you know and that, and it's just self-medicating the same way i was in the street. all the pain, everything that came up for me that was my solution, to self-medicate. that's what i did. >> in his struggle to conquer addiction, rusty discovered a passion for counseling others. >> i've been. 12 step programs for, oh, geez, probably about 1 years now, 19 years, but the current program i'm in, it's called arc. it's addiction recovery counseling. >> it's a four-month program which is a state-of-the-art addiction treatment program. it's the first one ever in the
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world as far as we know that's completely run and has counselors who are inmates, who are trained inmates. >> it's one thing to sit across the desk from somebody in a suit and tie who's not in recovery, who's never been there that doesn't have know the first thing about getting busted, going to a county jail or going through a prison experience. it's a whole other thing when you've got a guy sitting across from them that's been there, that can totally relate to what this guy's saying. >> in addition to helping his fellow inmates, rusty hopes his efforts may influence his parole. >> i worked my points down through the years after coming into a level 2 facility and i've been to the board 17 times. i've received 17 one-year denials. i've been disciplinary free for 19 years, and in memory of the victim and there's nothing i can do to take back what i've caused, all i can do is change who i am and all i can do is
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serve, serve mankind, serve humanity, any way possible to make up for what i did. ♪ ♪ lord i am tired of being, lord ♪ >> i tell you one thing about san quentin, we got flavor here. we got flavor. >> programs like the annual poetry slam provide inmates a creative release, helping them to avoid potential disciplinary write-ups and longer sentences. >> [ rapping ] now i fall to my knees. wave my hands to the sky it will make you pop. it's like i'm buried alive. like i'm buried alive, alive,
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and this is a life here it's like i'm buried alive, alive, alive, alive, alive. [ applause ] >> this is the san quentin slam here sponsored by the university. and i believe this is the fifth. this is the first time i actually participated in it. >> judges, the scores for brother montgomery. we got a ten. a ten, a ten. a 9.3. we're going to drop the 9.3, drop the 10. >> braided brown hair around fingertips, on willow tree hips. >> wait a minute.
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sent her flowers. carnations, rose, and it smells green. i like a wedding. you can sit where you want. no usher or bride or groom. funny, all women look good in black. >> i think i'm going to do pretty good on the poetry. i'm a little nervous and don't fully remember my poem. i think it will come. >> please excuse me if this is a little graphic. il cut down as much of the cussing as i can out. >> keep it real, home boy. >> get real. >> i am. >> ready? who would have thought that penal law, boy the juvenile hall. 15 to life for taking another right but never considering the fact that he wasn't right couldn't it be a cry for some fing help, all he has seen is
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death and killing, so what the hell? kicking my ass until one day i got so tired. my real father just wasn't right. he used to do the same thing beating her every night. all she got was the pause down the hall. knocking down every picture mirror that's on the wall, as he walked out the door, and that was it, a slammed door, i never saw him no more until i got older and finally answered the phone. there i was listening to his voice trying to sell the holy dugout of my heart, it wouldn't close because now i'm frustrated and hated him even more. now my heart is cold because there was no reason for you to just leave me and go. now i'm a bastard and i don't want to see you no more. [ applause ] >> short people really got a lot of pent up anger, don't they? don't make him mad. >> judges we need the score for mighty mouse.
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we have a 9.5, a 10 plus a 9.5, 9.8, 9.8, so the winner is who's first? that's all i want to know. montgomery. please come up to the mike. >> i did very good, came in second place. some people say i got cheated but that was really great. it was fun all the way around. i'm very happy. maybe next year i'll come back and win it. i'll put together some better material and try to take it all. >> next on lockup extended stay, in for parole violation, this inmate's behavior could earn him permanent residence. >> he keeps getting in trouble. he batters the officers. he uses alcohol in custody. >> don't matter. [ whistle blowi] where do you hear that beat? campbell's healthy request soup lets you hear it... in your heart. [ basketball bouncing ] heart healthy. great taste. mmm... [ male announcer ] sounds good.
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a man continues to grow. the search for the missing man has been officially ended and the house will be demolished today. president obama blames house republicans for the sequester cuts now taking effect. he said that they refused to close a single tax loophole to reduce the deficit. now back to "lockup." ♪ daddy, when are you coming home, we don't want to spend another christmas with you gone ♪ ♪ mama cries most every night, she's always feeling blue, daddy, we don't want to spend another christmas without you ♪
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>> san quentin's h-unit houses level one and two inmates, many of whom are parole violators serving short sentences. >> down here is a little more laid back atmosphere with the inmates but at any time, they can turn on you. before i was working in counter section. >> when we first met co cavagnolo, he dealt with high level inmates in level one
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an mates in a dorm settling. >> i have 200 inmates and it's only me. it's like going totally other side of the spectrum. everything down here is observation, just watching, listening, getting the feel for the dorm and if you're always watching, you can tell when something's starting to go bad, hopefully stop it before it gets bad, but things happen down here all the time. you have a lot of drugs down here, partner found two hypodermic needles in this dorm about two days ago. you got the drugs, the inmate manufactured alcohol, you got the gangs, you got the weapons. so it can be real dangerous at times. do three searches a day so we just pick them randomly. this guy i haven't did yet. his lucky day. i'm going to get him to unlock the locker. >> okay, you guys got me in trouble. >> unlock your locker, man. >> lock it? >> unlock it.
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>> mine is unlocked. >> that's yours right there? >> yeah. >> is he around? >> no. can i move something out of mine real quick. >> come on, come on. >> this is the first time i think -- i got like nine days left. >> though parole violations bring these inmates to prison, internal violations could keep them here indefinitely. >> looking for weapons, drugs, any type of contraband, stuff like this. probably make an illegal stinger out of it to heat up food, whatever, stuff like that they can't have. could blow out the power back here. >> how long have you been in prison, on and off? >> a long time. like since 1992. i'm not catching terms or anything like that. i'm having a hard time with
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parole right now. >> why? >> do i drugs. that's my violation right there. there's my lighter. >> 58919. saltwater lighter. all's it is, you put a -- clips through here and there and you've got a hot one going from here to there, same thing there. you run a wire from one to the other. fill this full of water and put two salts in it. it won't blow a circuit that way. it's a lighter. you plug it in and this gets red hot. >> for what? >> to light cigarettes. not that i smoke. i don't smoke. i was holding it for a friend. >> you know we're taking this stuff.
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>> yeah. >> let's take a walk up front real quick. straight up to the podium. >> this write-up may be minor but enough violations could earn an inmate a cell in administrative segregation. >> my case right now is from receiving stolen property in 2001. i'm on parole right now, been on parole for the last three years. so i'm just getting violations. just getting violations. i came to prison for a dui. they gave me 90 days for that, and six-month drug program. i left from the hole last time like a year and a half ago, they -- since i was in the shoe when i left, they brought me back in the hole. that's how i do it. now i'm waiting to go to icc to find out when they're going to
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let me get out. >> matthew usually returns to prison for petty crimes. he has a history of committing more serious offenses behind bars. >> he's capable of a lot of violence in custody in the prison system. and in fact, he hasn't been in a general population setting since i think maybe 2003. and that's because he keeps getting in trouble. he batters the officers. he's resistant, uses alcohol in custody. ♪ >> whoops. that didn't work. >> good, how are you? >> good. >> this is institution classification committee. this is for administrative segregation inmates and this is a due process issue where we bring them in, review why they're in ad seg and you know,
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go over the issues of why they're locked up in ad seg and what they can expect from here. >> cdc number. >> matthew national, 245854. >> sir, warden ayres. >> referred to our csr for transfer and approved and you were retained. you have done your shoe related time. therefore, the recommendation is to release you to the rcgp. okay. do you have any problems with being released? >> yes, i got a problem to gp because i'm not a gp. i dropped out. >> you in a gang? >> yes, i am affiliated with a gang, yes. >> you're a dropout of what? >> out of the woods. but right now, i'm just concerned about my housing, where i'm going to be housed. that's all i'm worried about
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right now. >> we can make him a 1 status and that will give him the opportunity to parole today. so it doesn't matter where you're going to be housed. we can keep you here pending your parole. >> understand that, nasholm? >> yes, sir. >> if we grant you a one-time for the time you've been in ad seg, then they take this up and run it through records office and you are paroled today. do you understand that? >> yes, sir. >> okay. >> yeah. >> yes, sir. officially release you today. have a nice day. you'll be staying in your cell till they come get to you take to you r and r, okay. >> okay, thank you. >> you have a right to appeal. >> a miracle happened or something. they said i was going to get released today, and when i come back to prison, i won't come back to the hole. >> matthew's transition to freedom problems to be more complicated than he anticipated.
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>> what's going on, boss. >> come on in, let's do it. all right. in the chair. how you doing? >> how you doing? >> all right. we thought you were going home too, but you know how before you go home, the analyst sees if anybody's interested in you and the sonoma county sheriff's office is interested in you. looks like he had a little health and safety code violation and contempt of court. >> you know why? because they said i have to -- i had to be there -- i had to i was in custody. they said i had too go to their -- their dui class 21 days after my -- after my release from the court date. and i never got released because i got four days time served and got a violation here. so i was never out to make it over there. i figured they would take care of it. i guess they didn't. >> it looks like it's going to be a ride home. $20,000 bail. they're misdemeanors. you're not going to get any more prison time for them.
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so know county is going to pick you up. we never tell you exactly when it's going to happen. do you have any questions? >> no, i guess that's plain as day. you know what i'm saying? >> we didn't know. we thought you were out the door, too. you know how things pop up at the last minute. all right, mr. nasholm, take care. >> matthew will leave san quentin but instead of going home, he's headed straight to county jail. >> we're finished with him for now. if he commits another felony, we might see him again. >> next on lockup extended stay, no bars. no locks, no room for error. >> breaking all my rights. e. [ garth ] bjorn's small business earns double miles on every purchase every day. produce delivery.
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originally designed to house just over 3,000 inmates, san quentin is now home to more than 5,000. the overcrowding has forced the prison to convert every extra square foot into living space, creating dangerous environments for its inmates and officers. >> right now. >> down here, the dangers are pretty good. i'm left-handed. it's an open environment. >> gentlemen. >> there's right now, i have six staff members. >> you're doing a good job.
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>> breaking all my rights. >> another day on the job. >> almost all the individuals down here are parole violators, been out on parole, couldn't hack it. got picked up for something, sent them back here, generally do six months, a year. they go main line to another institution to do their time or released out on parole. beds are at a premium. this is the rc overflow. we house 384 individuals. it's an open dorm. we have tvs, considered pretty much the luxury suites in the reception center. i have three sets of showers broke down by race in the gym. they self-segregate. we do not tell them where to go. the shower closest to the left is all white. middle shower will be only your black, the far right shower is
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your hispanics and others. the tables along the day room right here are broken up into races. >> table for others. we're not gang members. >> other than black, other than white. >> american indian right here, a native american. >> different counties and different cities but this brings us all together as one. >> it's a show of unity. everybody eats. we don't have to eat, but that's how you show love. >> it's anyone's table. we're just playing a game here. >> but i mean, there's just certain races that you can play games with right here. and for white people, it's, what is it, ami, american indians. that's pretty much about it, ain't it? there's three separate types of mexicans and we can sit with terranos and pisces. don't ask me why. but we can't play with the black
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folks. i would get beat up. you'd get in a fight over it. that's just the way it is. there's more racism here than there is in, you know, in civilization for sure. if you don't come in prejudiced, you might leave prejudiced. >> anything we take for granted on the outside is worth money. books go for a premium in here. food is worth money. soups are 20 cents apiece in prison money. >> inmates will use virtually anything for bartering. many items can be purchased in the canteen. >> these are the treasured ice creams. they love these ice creams.
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we carry a full variety, at least four or five flavors. >> 767 up. >> yes, please. >> the guy comes up to get his order filled, we have our workers fill the order by what he puts on this list right here. and if they've got enough money, we'll fill it. we'll fill it up to the point that they run out of money. so if ice cream is on the end of the list and they run out of money, they don't get the ice cream. >> thank you. >> we have different categories of guys. if you have what you call a 1 a status, kind of like a credit rating, highest status you can have, you can spend up to $180 at the canteen. it goes down according to whatever your status is. you may have gotten in trouble, may be in the lockup and can only spend $70, some guys can only spend $90. that's your purchasing power. >> okay, this is just some of the things that we handle. they got the chili cheese chips and potato chips. as you can see, there's all
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types of sodas. we're loaded on coffee. candy bars, of course. the cookies are big and the ramen, the noodles are probably about the biggest seller. they buy those cases at a time. that's the staple of what they make. >> i just spent all my money. >> these are some of the things we have to take off the containers of milk. things you take for granted in your home. this could be made into a slashing device. we have to remove these for the condemned especially. >> give me that bag. >> got to worry about it. >> next on lockup extended stay, inmates show at risk kids the realities of prison. >> let's get real. what you going to do. >> what am i going to do? i tried weight loss plans... but their shakes aren't always made for people with diabetes. that's why there's glucerna hunger smart shakes.
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some level 2 inmates participate in squires, an outreach program for at risk youth. ♪ >> good morning, gentlemen. my name is shiab. weigh need you to understand you're in a place that no kid should ever want to be in. you should be out playing somewhere in the park but you're here because of something you did. >> every saturday, we bring in groups of kids from san francisco, oakland, richmond, all over.
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you're not going to scare them with the story that i'm a murderer in prison doing life. that doesn't scare anybody any more. what you want to know, that this is your life, man. you have an opportunity to leave out of this place and never come back. >> we try to show them this is what could happen if you keep doing what you're doing. >> all right, you guys. where you're at right now, you're in receiving and release. when you decide you guys wants to commit crimes and the judge sends you a certain amount of time, this is the first place you're going to go when you get off the bus. for you guys who like to wear your nice shoes, who like to wear nike, michael jordan, all of that good clothes, polo, when you come here, all of that's gone. this is your polo. these are your nikes. these are your filas and your reeboks. that's your fubu. this is your michael jordan gear. this is your polo.
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this is your nice 501 jeans, you guys. this is what you sell yourself for. who speaks spanish here? can you read that? [ speaking spanish ]. >> what does that mean? >> something about sexual assault. >> sexual assault. >> warning you about sexual assault in prison, how to protect yourself against it. >> the inmates are in essence the deterrent that will guide these youth back to a life of contributing to society. >> this is the building we live in, north block. and this building they have little small cells that are 9 x 4, nine feet tall, four feet wide. that's smaller than a walk-in closet, you guys, but yet two men live in those cells in that building. look where you at, man, you in a cage like an animal. have you ever been to a zoo?
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>> yeah. >> the cages for the monkeys are bigger than this, right? okay then, so what does that tell you about herself. >> they got more freedom than this. >> the animals get more freedom than us, right? so you need to really be thinking. >> they're treating me lower than animals, lesser than animals. >> this is because of the consequences of your actions. when you do something wrong, when you do something wrong, this is where you can end up. these are the possible solutions to you committing crime is putting you in a cage. >> in addition to showing them the realities of prison, the inmates challenge these youths assumptions of that i recall lives on the street. >> this is why i connect with you. i love the same thing you love. it was fun to put hands on somebody and show my home boy i'm the man. and you don't want nothing either. respect, right? what's your name. >> marco. >> what do they say in the hood? marco throw down.
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don't mess with marco, right? that's what they tell you. that's what they told me because they knew i was willing to fight for nothing. on site, let's go. you think you can whip me, then let's whip. this is why i tell you this. that fighting, eventually it got tiring. because i was literally fighting every day, every single day of my life i was fighting. the homies already knew, romeo, he throw down. i thought let me start carrying this knife. let me start carrying this pistol. and it took one day and all of about three or four seconds for me to pull my pistol out on somebody that could have easily just fought, whooped them and been done with it, and i pulled a gun on this man and shot him six times in his chest because he liked the color blue. you're 15, right?

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