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men? not a single woman. is there a reason for that? >> we just haven't seen any women in our investigations. the experts say that there are women predators. they just go after kids they know. they're more comfortable with that. male predators like the anonymity and the other accessibility offered by the internet. >> we've heard some other viewers say that they think someone in their community may be a predator. don't know what to do. what can you tell them? >> don't try and do a sting operation by yourself. the fbi office locally, the police, sheriff's department, they're all very receptive to this kind of crime and they'll do something about it. >> are there other options short of jail? what about treatment? >> prison and punishment is critical, stone, but the experts tell us that there has to be more treatment options out there for when these guys get out of prison because there's a chance they'll reoffend. and without that we're really not going to find a solution to this problem. >> so look at both potential solutions. >> there's no one size fits all solution to this. there has to be punishment and there has to be treatment. >> chris hansen, thanks. >> thanks, stone.
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>> as we've mentioned, there are many things parents can do, from monitoring children's internet use to installing special software on your computer. you'll find a complete online safety kit on our website. the address is dateline.msnbc.com. that's all for now. i'm stone phillips. for ann curry and all of us at nbc news, thanks for watching.
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due to mature subject matter, viewer discretion is advised. msnbc takes you behind the walls of america's most notorious prisons into a world of chaos and danger. now, the scenes you've never seen. "lockup: raw." >> what is it? what is it? >> a fight. >> when our crews go behind prison walls, we know to always expect the unexpected. we've seen bloody assaults. >> we got another cut up here, guys. >> inmate rage. >> we will not negotiate with terrorists! >> destruction in the cell >> are you going to come out or what? >> and bizarre expressions of personal style. now, some of the most memorable, unexpected moments we've encountered inside america's
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prisons. >> this is what you live for in the penitentiary. >> you want to think it's funny. [ bleep ]. >> never a dull moment. >> we send our producers and crews inside prisons. their job is to be objective observers. but in the first week of filming inside limon correction facility in colorado, something unusual happened. we inadvertently became part of the story we were covering. >> why is everybody getting agitated? >> we were in ad seg, administrative segregation, the prison within a prison. we started hearing inmates screaming out things, and i started to hear them talking about cho-mos, which are sex offenders, and then mayhem erupted. >> [ bleep ]. >> take that camera somewhere else. you can't buy my story. you can't buy me. >> i don't want to. >> get the [ bleep ] out of
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here. >> i don't want to buy your story. >> this [ bleep ] ain't free. this is what you i think of your story. >> i believe he threw a liquid substance under the door that smelled somewhat suspicious and we're going to report that. >> jonathan hall, serving 40 years for murder, was one of the first inmates to make it clear we weren't welcome in administrative segregation. >> unless he does calm down and follow our rules and orders, he'll be cell extracted. >> inmate hall won't calm down. so they call in the special response team. and they suit up in their gear. in these situations, when we want to film it, they always have us suit up as well. >> we'll give him the last three verbal commands. if he doesn't comply at that point, we'll introduce o.c. >> you got it? >> uh-huh.
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>> inmate hall, come to the door and cuff up. come to the door and cuff up. >> eat [ bleep ]. >> if you do not cuff up, we will introduce chemical agents. are you going to comply? >> [ bleep ]. >> introduce o.c. >> hall has covered his food port and window with a mattress. but the special response team knocks it down and fires a couple of short bursts of o.c. gas. >> hall, you're going to be all all right. all right? listen to my orders, okay? >> i can't. >> i need you to get up on your knees. get up on your knees. come on, help us out.
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get those cuffs. >> ahhh! >> shooting an extraction wearing a gas mask is pretty difficult. you're kept a certain distance from the viewfinder. it's hard to see. with my beard or goatee the seal around the gas mask is compromised a bit. so there is some of the gas that leaks in. eyes are watering a bit. but that's just part of it. we go in there and do the best we can to show what's going on. >> what's going on with these [ bleep ]? i need fresh air. i can't breathe. >> you're all right, hall. >> give me some air. >> so that was quite a first day. the next day we had to go back into ad seg to continue doing our interviews, and one of the inmates we were going to interview was michael gill.
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one of the first things he shared with us is that on the streets he was a professional wrestler. >> i do what you see on tv, like wwe. but i do -- i do it off camera most of the time. and at smaller arenas. mainly around kansas and colorado, iowa, stuff like that. >> what's your name? >> my wrestling name? bud dubey. it's a stoner character. >> gill had just finished explaining that he was currently at limon on a parole violation when the interview was interrupted by a commotion on the ad seg tier. [ screaming ] >> that's crazy. what's that noise? >> yeah, i'm curious, too. >> i can hear water running, and we had an officer in the room with us that was doing our security and i asked him, what's going on? when he opened the door, you just heard this cascading water.
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>> they flooded the tier. >> what happened? >> that's awesome. >> you better go get that. >> i walked out of the interview room and was shocked to see water cascading down from the top tier down onto the floor. i'd never seen anything like that in my life in a prison. >> what happened? >> what did you do? did you do this? >> i didn't do nothing. >> what happened? >> i have no idea. >> what does it look like happened? >> i'm not even going to say nothing with that door open. >> in the midst of this crazy scene, the officers were taking michael gill back to his cell, at which point he just started cracking jokes with the staff members. >> if you let me see the key, i'll do the rest. sarge? >> no. >> oh, you guess you guys are
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worried that i might try to escape or something. that's real cool. thanks for having faith in me. >> i have faith that you'll try and escape. >> see? you're crazy, sarge. can i use your walkie-talkie real quick? >> no. >> after following gill to his cell, our crew is taken to the source of the flood. >> remember that. lymon, you mother [ bleep ]. rats, punks, chomos, sex offenders. does that make you feel good? >> george graph, serving three years for motor vehicle theft, started the flood by overflowing his toilet. >> [ bleep ]. [ bleep ]. >> graph, pull your seat away there, please. >> [ bleep ]. >> i'm sorry? >> [ bleep ]. >> why don't you -- >> [ bleep ] yourself, mother [ bleep ]. >> are you flooding out here or what?
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>> check this out, [ bleep ]. how about that? >> you know it's not hurting my feelings. >> then jonathan hall, the inmate extracted the day before, rejoins the ruckus. with a prison camera outside his window to monitor his activity, he begins yelling at "lockup" cameraman brian kelly. >> go film some [ bleep ] child molesters. >> we're trying to get both sides. that's what we've been trying to do. >> [ bleep ]. [ bleep ]. >> that's what we're trying to show. >> this is real life. >> come on out. >> i got it, i got it. coming up -- >> we will not negotiate with terrorists! >> the anger in ad seg intensifies. >> you know what, you want to think it's [ bleep ] funny? ♪ shimmy, shimmy chocolate. ♪ we, we chocolate cross over. ♪ yeah, we chocolate cross over. ♪ [ male announcer ] introducing fiber one 80 calorie chocolate cereal. ♪ chocolate.
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administrative segregation loudly protested our interview of a sex offender. one of them, george grahf, even flooded his cell by intentionally backing up his toilet. >> if you do not come to the door, we will introduce chemical agents. >> we will not negotiate with terrorists! >> the prison special response team is called in to extract grahf from his cell. when inmates don't cooperate, the team uses o.c. gas, a form of pepper spray, to gain compliance. >> uncover your window. take a step back. >> get on your knees! >> in this case, grahf will be moved to a stripped down cell until his can be cleaned and his behavior improves. >> this [ bleep ] hotel sucks. >> but first, he's given the opportunity to shower off the stinging o.c. gas. afterwards, grahf still blamed us for his actions.
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>> that's the reasoning all of this is happening right there. [ bleep ]. [ bleep ]. >> in every prison, filming in ad seg is a vital component to telling these stories. because of all this commotion, the warden comes up and says we can't film there anymore. >> we had two offenders act out for the camera crew, to put a show on for the camera crew. so we've asked the camera crew to stop filming in segregation in order to calm these guys down. and from this point on we'll assess whether we'll allow the camera crew to come back into segregation. >> the next day, we learned more about the incident from another inmate, who had insights to share. dan huff, serving nine years for aggravated murder, is considered a leader among the prison's white inmates, including hall and grapf. >> we're now told we can't go into ad seg because it looks like we're creating this problem.
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so tell me what you think and what's happened. >> no, i don't think you guys have created it. i think those guys are young, and they won't listen to anybody unless you're white, unless you're -- you have authority. the reason they listen to me is because i'm their friend. but sex offenders that you guys have been interviewing, if they truly are, they're -- some of them were caucasian and they hate that. they don't want them guys on camera. and that's where the problem arose, you that know, they said, oh, look, they're representing us as we're a bunch of -- the white dudes ray bunch of sex offender, child molesters, rapos, homosexual rats. you know, just a whole laundry list of things. >> while the prison took disciplinary action against grapf and hall, huff claims he intervened as well. >> well, i just called over there and told them, hey, man, you need to cut that stuff out because you're not making us look any better than them guys are. it doesn't take a big tough guy
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or a smart guy to get sprayed and drug out of your cell. and then strip cell. and now you're raising hell with these people and making us look like idiots. >> though things seem to have calmed down in ad seg, prison officials still had not allowed us back in right away. but two weeks after the flooding incident we were told the inmate we were interviewing at the time, michael gill, had been injured. little did we know a new drama was about to unfold. >> i was asked to get offender gill to bring him to medical. he's declaring a self-emergency. he said he has a broken arm. >> authorities told us that gill's injury was the result of banging on his cell door when he was denied a shower. >> i've been dealing with the offender through the hearings process, and i've actually developed a little bit of a rapport with the guy. i've been able to talk with him in the past. i was hoping to go down with the sergeant and see if we could settle him down a little bit and then get him over to medical where we can take a look at his
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arm and see what's going on. >> can we go with you? >> i don't think they're going to let you in seg. >> well, i always ask. >> i think you could see him in medical? you might work on that as far as medical. i don't know, like i said, this guy does 180s. so this could work out, it might not. >> it's not worth getting somebody hurt over, though. that's my concern, is safety. >> with our crew and camera positioned outside ad seg, we picked up gill as he was escorted to medical, and he immediately began accusing us of putting him in danger. >> you guys got me [ bleep ] up. >> how? >> he came out irate and spewing all sorts of things at us. he was very concerned that he was going to end up going back into his cell and inmates who may have seen him being filmed by us were going to throw feces at him. which they call a [ bleep ] bomb. >> though gill consented to be
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filmed and never requested to us leave, he grew more agitated as he made his way into the medical clinic. >> now i'm going to get [ bleep ] arrested. [ bleep ]. >> they didn't do anything to you. >> really? were you there the other day? it was an empty cell that was going to be used, now i'm going to probably get [ bleep ]. i just got totally [ bleep ]. i ain't some punk you can sit here and [ bleep ] over. >> listen, let's get your hand looked at. let's deescalate this just a little bit. okay? >> gill was convinced he was going to be labeled as a snitch, so he kept threatening to hurt somebody in ordre to prove his reputation that he was a tough guy. >> everyone wants to call me a snitch and a bitch for being on camera. and then you come over there sxur standing outside the door. people are on pod time. now my life, if i go back to yard, is going to be in jeopardy. so i'm going to have to take someone's life to earn some respect. after losing respect on this. i got four months till i go home and you guys are asking me to turn it into life. >> we really didn't know how the situation was going to turn out.
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he just kept lashing out at everybody. and at one point thought an officer was looking at him funny and verbally attacked him. >> you know what? you want to think it's [ bleep ] funny? [ bleep ] face. >> gill, gill. focus here. >> in the midst of all this, this nurse comes in to address his medical problem, and she's very calm. and i expected him to have a worse reaction but it actually seemed to calm him down. >> have you ever broken your hand before? >> yeah. several times. every time a c.o. pisses me off. >> hurt here? >> yeah. that hurts. you're making it worse. >> does it hurt here? >> yeah. >> does it hurt here? >> yeah. all of it. >> okay. and has it ever taught the c.o. a lesson? >> i've never taken it far enough to teach them a lesson. >> she meant hitting the wall. >> yeah. >> does it ever teach them a lesson when you hurt yourself? >> it's kind of tender right there. this one's fine. >> what was impressive to me about the staff is they
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kind of de-escalated the situation by calmly talking to him, by engaging him in a conversation. >> i'm not going to sit there and be [ bleep ] by inmates and not take it out on the staff. >> gill, listen to me a minute. none of that has been determined. we're going to get through this. >> let's get through this and then we'll deal with that, one step at a time. >> right as they're taking michael gill's blood pressure, lieutenant millburn starts using humor to calm everything down. >> that's pretty good, actually. >> that's pretty good. i wish i carried those numbers. i've got karo syrup coursing through my veins. mine aren't anywhere near that good. >> chocolate. >> that's some of the finest german chocolate, too. >> man. four months left, and i'll tell you what, i'll probably end up catching 40 to life. >> no, you won't. maybe 15 to 20, tops. you'll be all right.
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>> once the tension was alleviated a little bit, they tried to get gill to see the bigger picture. >> you know, in four months this is all going to be over and done with. just make the best of it. it's four months. >> what am i getting out to, a $10-an-hour job? >> whatever it is you're getting out to is better than being in prison, isn't it? >> not really. $10 an hour. i'm going to go up to my girlfriend, i'm making $10 an hour. are you proud of me? yeah, come on. i don't have any goals. >> she's going to be a lot prouder of you at $10 an hour than in here at 23 cents a day. that's a fact. >> and that's a fact. >> $10 an hour is not a goal. i might be able to afford a trailer park home at 10 bucks an hour. >> let's bring this back around to progress right now. we're going to get you back to your cell. >> what about the [ bleep ] bombing? >> you know what? if there's something that occurs in the future with other inmates, then i'll deal with that on a different level. okay? >> so i'm supposed to wait till i get [ bleep ] is what you're saying?
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>> no, what you need to do is go down there and do your own time until somebody else enters your world. but you do your own time. all right? i'll tell you what, they're not going to follow you out of medical. >> i got these officers, they want to come [ bleep ]. >> gill, we're going this way. >> i think he was just more talk. he was wanting to make a verbal demonstration more than anything else. he made a lot of verbal threats, but he really didn't physically demonstrate any desire to do anything aggressive. but he followed all of the instructions he was given and he was secured in his cell. >> a week later, prison officials allowed us back into the administrative segregation unit, where we conducted several more interviews without further incident. even george grapf and jonathan hall consented to interviews and allowed us to shoot footage of them. a few months after we left lymon michael gill was released on parole. >> whoa, whoa, there's ice on the ground. i don't feel comfortable.
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appearances and first impressions are every bit as important behind prison walls as they are on the outside. and one of the most fascinating experiences we have in prison is seeing the different methods inmates use to create their own look. from intimidating to tantalizing to just peculiar. our crews have seen it all. tattoos, however, aren't the only tools in the toolbox. at indiana state prison, billy kyle, serving eight years on a drug dealing charge, likes to strut the yard with his grill. >> i like blue and white diamonds. >> let me see you smile. what's the deal with that?
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>> it was just something, you know, that we did on the streets, you know what i'm saying? really a hood thing. that's all. >> how much are they worth? >> about $1,500. >> $1,500? >> yeah. >> we found that most women still like to feel like women in prison as well. betty conley, serving life for murdering her husband, made that clear. she has turned her bunk into a salon, of sorts. >> i love makeup. i've been into makeup since i was a little bitty girl. and i'm like dolly. the redder the better. the more the merrier. >> at the limon correctional facility in colorado, we met inmates who have had more permanent transformations. aaron cooper, serving 10 years for assault and escape, didn't stretch his ear lobes until he got to prison. >> did it about four years ago when i was in ad seg. no reason, really.
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i just like the way it looked. it started with the tooth of a comb, actually, and then started wrapping saran wrap around it and getting fatter and fatter. took about eight months. >> what's the ultimate goal? >> that's it. this was bigger than i really wanted to go but these were the only things that were round enough that whenever the officers could take them i could put more back in. just little plastic bottle caps. >> tell me what the legality is here. >> there wasn't when i first started doing, it but they passed a new a.r. that it goes under the tattooing write-up. but i don't ever wear them out of the cell block. so i don't -- it doesn't create any problems with the officers. i just wear them in here. i didn't want them to shrink back. it hurt like hell when i was doing it, so i didn't want to do it all for nothing. >> but limon inmate derek webb, serving 10 years for vehicle theft and vandalism, took things to a whole new level. one that can best be described
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as reptilian. >> all right. tell me what happened. >> i was bored. sitting in muni. nothing to do. >> and what happened? what did you do? >> cut it with a razor blade, my tongue. >> are you happy you cut your tongue? >> i don't know. it ain't nothing to be happy about. you know what i mean? it's like two years old. it was a little trippy at first. you know. but i've definitely got some weird responses from people. you know, they're looking at me like why did you split your tongue? i don't know, i was bored. just something to do. you know, in a way, i guess it's kind of taboo out there, you know what i mean? coming up, our producer follows a trail of blood that leads to one of the most shocking scenes ever shown on "lockup." >> we need to get him on the gurney, get him up front. we have another cut up here,
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i'm veronica de la cruz. and here's what's happening. after meeting with egyptian president moms morsi secretary of state john kerry announced the release of $190 million in immediate aid. part of a larger $450 million pledge to the country. police in new york are searching for the driver of a bmw that slammed into a car carrying a young couple headed to the hospital for the birth of their first baby. the couple was killed. the baby boy has survived. we'll have more news in one hour. but first, back to "lockup." due to mature subject matter, viewer discretion is advised. when our crews are filming inside high security prisons, they know that violence can erupt at any moment. while they're prepared for it, when it happens it can still be
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shocking. during our extended stay shoot inside indiana state prison, we walked into one of the bloodiest encounters in "lockup" history. >> we were filming in one of the housing units, and we heard a call come over the radio. instantly, all staff members started running. we picked up our gear and ran with them. >> what is it? what is it? >> a fight. >> there was just a chaotic scene. by the time we got there, they were already pulling people out who were coming back from chow, and they were trying to find a victim of what we thought at the time was a fight. >> i don't know who was involved. >> was he involved? >> i don't know. >> i know. i just told these guys to hold up. >> there's blood all over here. >> huh? >> where's the guy that got stabbed? >> immediately it just became a large crime scene. >> they're looking for a long-haired white guy. they say he got to main street. >> i looked over and saw our
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field producer just take off, and she had a little camera she was filming with and i didn't see who she was filming but i saw her make her way into the infirmary. >> i saw a man walking towards me and realized it was the victim for only one reason -- there was blood on his shirt. and i saw blood drops coming from him, so i just started to follow him into the medical building. >> where do you want me? >> i was a little shocked because every time they would remove another article of his clothing there was a bigger and deeper gash. but the bizarre thing about it was all he was concerned about was his tennis shoes. >> hey, don't throw them away. they're brand spanking new. can you put them in a bag, please? >> we got another cut up here, guys. >> okay. >> we'll get you an ambulance. >> how bad? is it worse than this? >> we need to get him on the gurney, though, get him up front. >> the nerve damaged?
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>> i don't know. >> i didn't know any of this happened. >> the fact that the wounds were so graphic they actually had to be blurred, i think it was best for all. they were some of the worst wounds i'd ever seen. >> you're lucky it wasn't any worse than that. >> just got to keep it covered. >> want to go for a ride? >> the victim, pat ellerman, serving 40 years for attempted murder, spent two weeks at a local hospital before returning to prison. his attacker, michael ray stafford, was found guilty of the stabbing at a disciplinary hearing and received extra time in the prison segregation unit. but no criminal charges were filed against him because ellerman refused to cooperate with the investigators. we caught up with ellerman on the day he returned to general population. >> after pat recovered from his injuries and we saw him back out
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on the yard, again, one of the first comments he made was about his shoes. >> see the blood on my shoes? that's why i stopped fighting, because i seen blood on my shoes. >> it's indicative, actually, of prison life. you have so few personal items and you certainly don't have very many things that are brand new. these shoes were new. they were a symbol of him having some kind of success, or look, if you will, as a convict in prison, and he wanted to keep them as pristine as possible, even during this horrific situation. then we went back with him to his cell, at which point he took us on a tour of his injuries and how they were healing. >> i can't open my hands but it's getting better. i'll be able -- i'll get it back. i can still punch. i can close my fist, i just can't open it. and now i got stabbed in the stomach over here. stabbed here. got cut in my neck. got my back cut and my legs,
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pretty much the worse one was on my leg. eight inches across, four inches deep, almost to the bone. >> so can i throw out a hypothetical? >> yeah. >> you got stabbed pretty bad. >> yeah. >> is this the end of it? >> no. if i ever see him again, i can't say nothing. of course i can't say nothing. if i say no, i'm going to the hole. guards ain't going to want to hear that i'm going to kill this guy the next time i see him. i can't have him coming up behind me thinking i'm going to get him and doing this again. just because he's thinking i'm going to get him back. he's going to want to jump first. well, i got to jump first, but i'm not gonna. i can't tell you i'm gonna, because i'll be in seg. i can't -- i'm not mad at 9 guy. if more people would do what he did instead of this poking and running, this would be a different prison. i'm not mad at this guy. >> why? was he justified in cutting you? >> no.
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but i'm -- he did what he thought he had to do. so it could have been a lot worse. and i'm sort of impressed that he went that far. he could have cut me and ran, because i really got the best of the fight. no, no, no, i got the best of him. he got more injuries, but i didn't even know he had a knife while he was cutting me. i didn't know he had a knife. >> how could you not know? >> because i was enjoying fighting. i was -- when you hit somebody in the face hard, i get a thrill out of that. i don't know why. >> do you know, though, pat, how close you came to having severe damage or death? >> well, yeah. i examined every wound individually. i know how deep they were. how -- but it just -- i got lucky. i've been lucky -- all my life, i've either been really lucky or no luck at all. there's never been no in between.
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never been no in between. >> because this one alone, that was very close to the carotid artery. >> yeah, would have been my ticket out. >> this is so embarrassing. >> coming up -- illegal contraband with an x rating. ith issues related to mental health. by earning a degree in the field of counseling or psychology from capella university, you'll have the knowledge to make a difference in the lives of others. let's get started at capella.edu. chances are, you're not made of money, so don't overpay for motorcycle insurance.
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needs had led to a dilemma for mary beth wolfenbarger. >> [ bleep ]. they done wrote me up. >> what? >> what for? >> for a sexual toy. >> what kind of sexual toy? >> look, it says that they found a glove, an ace bandage, and two trash bags and a tampon. they're trying to say i had -- they're trying to say i had a dilledo. >> sexual activity of any sort is against prison rules. and even though wolfenbarger is allowed to have the individual items she was caught with, she was written up for how they were assembled, or at least partially assembled. >> i'm pleading not guilty because they have no evidence. when they found it, it was not intact, okay? >> what was you going to do with it? >> everything that they have is things that i was allowed to have.
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>> but she did tell us that if she were going to make what she's accused of making, she has a good idea of how to do it. >> you have to have your marker to make it hard and you have to put your pads over it to protect it. >> as mary beth began her how-to description, all i could think about was human nature and how when left without normal resources, want or need or desire will lead you to create something out of nothing. >> and you have to wrap it with a rubber band to keep it on there and then put your glove over it because it's sanitary. and then your ace bandage is to strap it on. >> wolfenbarger's ingenuity has gotten her in trouble on the outside as well. she's serving 12 years for i.d. theft, forgery and burglary. >> i've stolen approximately
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four to five people's identities and i think i've gotten over $250,000. i've gotten boats, i've gotten cars. >> wolfenbarger used to break into lockers at a local gym to find her victims. >> i memorized the social security, the birthday, i memorized everything. i go into the bank, and i just tell them i'm you and i need to draw some money on my account. they give me what i want. they don't ask me for i.d. because i got everything memorized. even if they do ask me for i.d., i got your driver's license. and if i don't look like you, i'll make myself look like you. >> but wolfenbarger told us she did take some mercy on her victims. >> if i steal your purse, i'm going to leave your car keys because i don't want you to be stranded. >> now wolfenbarger is hoping for some sympathy herself as she faces a disciplinary hearing for allegedly possessing a homemade sex toy. >> let's go see. let me do my job.
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>> she's assisted in her defense by an inmate advocate. >> this is so embarrassing. >> miss diane, you had time to prepare? >> yes, ma'am. >> okay. how are you pleading? >> not guilty. >> the hearing quickly turns to the evidence. and whether the sum of their parts equals a whole. >> they're not constructed together. the ace bandages were for my ankle. the glove was to clean my toilet. trash bags we get every day and the tampons i get off of commissary. >> and what about the highlighter? >> i got that from field day. >> what were you doing with a highlighter in the tampon? >> i had no idea it was in there. >> was it like this when you -- >> the way that the body of this writeup is, it's making it sound like mr. roundtree found an
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assembled sex toy. i'm asking for a dismissal on this. >> okay. we'll call him up. >> the hearings officer, sergeant gooch, places a call to the officer who wrote the disciplinary report. >> officer roundtree, you confiscated the items that she had, the highlighter and things of that? >> correct. >> okay. when you collected the evidence on this, was this intact? >> the first time we saw her it was intact. when we went back in there, the rubber glove was taken off and then i got everything else and i broke everything down from there. >> may i ask you why you didn't collect the evidence when you first saw it? i mean -- >> we weren't looking for that. what we was looking for was tobacco or tobacco products when we came across that. >> so it was your assumption that this was a sexual toy? >> yes. yes, it was.
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>> okay. anything else? thank you, mr. roundtree. >> your closing. >> if he was going to write her up, he should have collected that evidence right then and there and not gone back. whether he was looking for tobacco or drugs or whatever, if he knew he was going to write her up, he should have gotten this intact thing that he saw. otherwise, it's not what he's saying it is. so i'm asking for a dismissal. >> moments later, sergeant gooch renders a decision. >> okay, miss wolfenbarger. you pled not guilty. i find you guilty. you got the highlighter wrapped up in the tampon, and looking at the shape of it, preponderance of evidence is that it shows that was used for something other than what the items were originally to be used for. >> all right, let's go.
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>> wolfenbarger receives 15 days in administrative segregation for the contraband charge. but for her, that might not be the worst part of the punishment. >> i mean, that's embarrassing. i would have rather been caught with a female. you know? >> coming up -- >> is it time for you to leave? >> my prison time has expired. >> an inmate struggles with reality before making a heartbreaking realization. right in the old bucket. good toss! see that's much better! that was good. you had your shoulder pointed, you kept your eyes on your target. let's do it again -- watch me. just like that one... [ male announcer ] the durability of the volkswagen passat. pass down something he will be grateful for.
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but the unexpected events we cover in prison are not always violent. >> inside, close the door. >> sometimes they're just heartbreaking. during our initial scout at indiana state prison, our main goal was to get familiar with the prison prior to beginning formal production. but when we toured the chronic care unit, which houses mentally ill inmates, we walked in on a quiet drama. >> we were there for our scout week, which means we didn't even have a sound guy with us. but when we came upon this scene, we knew we had to roll. >> we came upon this inmate, michael steele, who was sitting outside his cell with his items all packed up. he was convinced he was going home that day. and it was becoming a problem for the prison because nobody could dissuade him from this notion. >> i've been in prison since november 3rd, 1988. for a crime that i was charged
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with and i'm not guilty of. >> okay. what's going on today? >> i'm trying to leave prison. >> is it time for you to leave? >> my prison time has expired. >> so what are you doing? just sitting here waiting for what? >> to be released from prison. >> how long have you been waiting here? >> approximately 14 minutes. >> in reality, he was nowhere near his release date. he's serving 110 years for murder and attempted murder. >> which one of these cells was yours? >> none of them cells was mine. >> where did you sleep at night when you were here? did you sleep in one of these cells when you were here? >> the more i asked for details
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about him leaving, he started to shut down. it was almost as if i was breaking his belief system. the staff then started to move in, and they were making it very clear to him that he was going to have to comply and go back into his cell. >> hey, mike. come on in. >> the only decision is i need you to go into your cell at this time. we've all been standing around long enough, so. >> and once he was surrounded by all these staff members, everything just kind of fell apart for him and he broke down sobbing. >> and that was tough. that was really difficult to film because he was just broken. you know, it was just a sad, sad
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time. >> eventually, prison staff had no choice but to physically carry steele back into his cell. >> here we go. come on, there we go. okay. hang on. there we go. >> don't hurt yourself. >> one, two, three, lift. bring him in. >> he just kind of went limp and then they dragged him back into his cell, propped him up on his cot, and he just sat there. just staring straight ahead. but looking very much like a broken man. >> we visited steele several weeks later. he agreed to speak with us about the incident we had filmed earlier. both he and prison medical staff also gave us permission to air the footage we had shot of him. >> that day i saw you up here with your things packed ready to go home, did you believe in your heart you were going to go home? >> yes.
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>> and what about now? >> i don't think so. >> so what do you think? do you think you're going to have to stay in this housing unit? >> i hope not. >> what do you want? >> i want to be released from prison. >> prison psychologist reggie matias hopes steele will eventually be well enough to transtoigs a less restrictive housing unit. >> we have a program where they work in general population, they do that for a week or so, maybe two. if it looks like it's going well, then they'll move them up to a dorm and they can go to work from there. essentially they would be discharged from the chronic care unit. >> i heard you've been doing much, much better these days. >> i'm trying to. >> yeah, good. the plan is as soon as you get back to your usual self we'll get you back out there working. so you worked in the kitchen, right? >> yeah, i was in the kitchen. i was a cook. >> yeah, i heard you were pretty popular. >> i was the best cook over there.
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