later makes sure he has a hotel room for the night, something hicks has not forgotten. >> he went over and beyond the call of duty in taking care of me, carrying me to a hotel, to recommend that they give me a nice room, that i had had an accident, and gave me one of the best rooms for half price, and i don't care where you're from, you can't beat that anywhere. >> how are you doing? >> hicks and officer jesse reunite for the first time five months later back in reno. >> good to see you. you are such an officer, i'll tell you what. i didn't know how bad it looked until i saw the video that you took of it. i saw it on television. and i said, that's my truck. >> hicks tells jesse how his company bought him a brand-new truck when he returned to grand rapids and how he couldn't resist taking to the highways again. >> you're driving again. >> yeah. >> i remember your famous words that day, "i'm never driving again." >> oh, no. i changed my mind. you know, it's like anything

else, once it gets in your blood -- >> in spite of his mishap, dean hicks is back on the open road, but he says he won't mess with mother nature again. >> it is very scary. i wouldn't recommend anybody going into a high wind with a box trailer anymore because that's an experience i wouldn't never want go through again. i was there for the ride, that's all i can say. it was a wild ride. for many of those who've been through a wild ride, the next most shocking thing to experiencing it is watching the whole thing unfold on video. if you have a video you'd like to send to us, we'd like to see it. log onto our website caughtoncamera.msnbc.com. i'm contessa brewer. that's it for this edition of "caught on camera."

it's the place where lies unravel and alibis crumble. >> our job as homicide detectives are to speak for the dead. >> the interrogation room. or as police call it, the box. >> okay. let's sure. let's see the body in the bathtub. >> in the college town of austin, texas, government major is guild out mutilating a romantic rival. >> jealous girlfriend. jealous girlfriends make killers. >> i've never seen one act engender outcome of hate,

revulsion and disgust that laura's case did. >> and in florida, a teenager is told he helped murder his elderly relatives. >> tell me something went bad. >> i don't know. >> bostick said, "i don't know" by my count 285 times. >> now, go where cases can be made or broken. "caught on camera" presents "inside the box." austin, texas, august 26th, 2005. >> i've never been in a situation like this before. >> i hope this the only time.

>> i want to go home. believe you me, you guys, model citizen when i walk out of here seriously. i'm not even making jokes. >> university of texas undergraduate laura ashley hall assures detectives she knows little about the murder and dismemberment of jennifer cabe, her 21-year-old romantic rival. >> i don't want to you tell me anything that's not true. i don't need that. >> i'm not willing to lie. >> i was in one of the monitor rooms at the austin police department homicide unit. >> this has changed me. >> i was watching the interview. in the nearly ten years i've been with the austin police department, i don't know if i've come across an individual who has been as vile or intent on distorting the truth as laura hall. >> i disagree with the detectives. i respect them. i know they work hard. but they are wrong.

>> laura's attorney jim sawyer finds deep flaws in both the way investigators conduct the interview and the interrogation process in general. >> the entire thing is designed to make you look bad. from the moment they have you in custody, they want you to accept responsibility for having committed the crime. that's what an interrogation is about. >> but the austin police contend their ambition is uncovering the truth, a goal they say they begin pursuing the moment they receive this 911 call from jennifer caves' mother. >> please hurry. >> the address of the emergency. we need the address. >> ma'am, hello. >> police are eventually directed to austin's west campus neighborhood, home to colton pitonyak, an erratic national merit scholar finalist and drug dealer, romantically involved

with both laura hall and jennifer cave. after failing to hear from her daughter, jennifer's mother and her fiancee have forced their way into colton's apartment, encountering a grisly sight in the bathtub. >> her head was severed and her hands in the hope of removing any dental work or fingerprints. so there's a saying among homicide detectives which i have inscribed on the bracelet on my list, which means let the dead teach the living. our job as homicide detectives are to speak for the dead. they have a family that's got to continue on without them. >> to pursue that mission,

detective fugate explores the epicenter of austin's night life and the party scene that brought laura hall and colton pitonyak together. >> he was dating jennifer cave at the time. once colton revealed to her the body was in the bathtub, laura hall may have taken part in the mutilation of the body. as far as stabbing cave in the upper torso, the right side of her face and the cranial vault of her head. >> six days later authorities track laura and colton in a hotel room in piedras negras. laura isn't arrested. instead, police advise her family to pick her up and take her home. >> she was still part of the investigation but we weren't clear as to her level of involvement.

so at that point she's not a suspect. >> colton is charged with jennifer's murder and brought to a local detention center to be interviewed. >> i'm pretty sure i need to speak with an attorney. this is serious. >> that's absolutely your right to do, okay? >> investigators then drive to laura's parents' home. but when they turn on their tape recorder, laura appears unwilling to help them build a case against colton. >> i don't think he did it. i really don't. >> in fact, laura describes the trip to mexico not as a flight from justice but a romantic vacation. >> i was very excited that he wanted me to go on a trip with him. i was like, i love this guy. i didn't think twice.

>> but three days later, detectives capitalize on another opportunity to question laura, instructing her to come to austin police headquarters to pick up her impounded car, then escorting her inside the box, the interrogation room. >> i hope you didn't find any inconsistencies. >> there were a lot of inconsistencies. >> we knew her involvement was much greater than she initially led us to believe. >> i'll have to speak to my attorney. obviously. >> you have nothing else to tell us? you're not going to change your statement or anything. >> mark gilchrist, who is the lead detective, already knows he's going to put her in jail. there's already a warrant. >> you don't want to talk to me without your attorney? is that what you're telling me?

>> but he plays a game with her until what? until she says, you know what, i want a lawyer. >> if you're saying i might be in some kind of trouble. oh, my god. >> laura ashley hall, you are under arrest for hindering apprehension. >> since the last conversation, police have been scrutinizing the pretty government major for driving her boyfriend over the border. that's enough to charge her in assisting in the escape, but the government suspects it goes deeper and continue to pursue more serious charges. >> oh, my god. what's going to happen? >> you're going to go to jail. >> what did i -- oh, my god. what do you want to know? >> i want to know the truth. >> if a person is not under arrest, you don't have the right to have an attorney present

during any questioning. she was free to leave. once they informed her she was under arrest, the whole ball game changed. and she's entitled to an attorney. if she had invoked her right at that point, she could have had an attorney. >> do you want to talk to us and give a statement or do you want to go to jail? >> hoping to distance herself from any wrongdoing, laura is about to tell detectives her account. >> he had the knife out. he lipped it. he licked it. he put his tongue in the blood. >> can anyone believe her version of events.

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august 26th, 2005. >> i need you to stand up and

empty all your pockets. >> okay. >> do you always carry your passport in your pocket? >> laura ashley hall, the university of texas government major, just shy of her 22nd birthday, has come to police headquarters expecting to pick up an impounded car. instead, detectives place her under arrest for helping boyfriend colton pitonyak escape to mexico after he kills another girlfriend, 21-year-old jennifer cave. >> i want to know the truth about what happened from the 18th to the time you crossed back over the border. >> okay. >> and i don't want to you tell me right now. i don't want to you tell me right now because you have asked for an attorney. i'm going to walk out of this room. okay?

>> he's taking that extra step to make it clear that laura hall does not have to talk to him any further. >> detective david fugate is watching the interview from an adjoining room. he and lead detective mark gilchrist have been working the case since jennifer cave's body has been found headless and handless in colton pitonyak's bathtub eight days earlier. >> do you understand what i want you to do? >> yes, i do. >> think about that. and when i come back, you can make a decision. >> absolutely. >> i interpreted that as false caution on his part. i think it was an effort to make laura hall feel like he was looking out for her. >> okay. >> okay what? >> i'll talk to you. >> okay. >> according to laura, she receives an early morning phone call from colton on august 17th, 2005, and accepts an invitation to visit his apartment near the university of texas.

>> i saw someone's purse on the floor. i asked him about it. and he wouldn't tell me who had been there. he told me to shut up, quit being a ho about things. >> that is normal for him to talk to you like that? >> sometimes. >> she denied having any knowledge of the murder at all. bit by bit, she would give a little bit of detail, enough to let us know there was more information still to be gleaned from the interview. >> i knew about it. >> okay. >> i knew there was a body in the bathtub. >> if we're interviewing somebody we'll have them go through and lay out their story in chronological order. then we'll go back and ask them in reverse order. it's extremely difficult for

somebody to lie in reverse. >> i saw a purse. i saw shoes. i saw shorts. and he goes, "shhh." you don't believe me? come and see. okay. sure. let's see the body in your bathtub. you know, yeah, right. opens the shower curtain. there's a body in the bathtub. >> you never saw a face? >> uh-uh. >> at that point, did you know who it was? >> no. i had never met her. i knew that she had been shady before. >> how did you know she had been shady before if you didn't know

who it was? >> he had told me about her. look, jennifer -- there are other girls he knew. every girl he knew was sketched out. >> laura hall considered colton pitonyak to be her boyfriend and we believe that she had a dislike for jennifer cave. so once colton revealed to her the body was in the bathtub, we believe laura hall stabbed the torso and face. >> and he told me that she came in and shot at him and missed and that he shot her. he said in the head. he also said he shot her in the chest. >> she's trying at all times to outsmart them. i think she clearly thinks she's the smartest person in the room. >> it might be important

forensically to know, did you have sex with him that day in the bed or anywhere in the apartment? >> on the couch. >> the couch. okay. before he showed you the body or after? >> after. >> was it intercourse or was it oral sex? >> they have this young girl in a small room with a video camera going on above her head knowing everything they know about interrogations becoming public. the cops asked her if they had sex after laura arrived at pitonyak's apartment. you can almost see body parts and intercourse, copulation, oral sex. what kind of a question is that? it's because even the cops are

fascinated by this bizarre turn of events in the case. >> laura says within 24 hours she and colton are in mexico. she calls herself a reluctant driver despite describing their journey as a romantic holiday during a prior interview. >> i never intended on purpose to help colton hide, you know. i'm being held captive. i plead for my life the best i could. >> what laura doesn't realize is that a mexican acquaintance has e-mailed this photo to detectives. >> you're on vacation. you're having a good time. that's what it looks like. right? >> i think it looks like a fake smile. >> now, as she sees her freedom eroding, she's ready to once again to change her story.

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austin, texas, august 26th, 2005. away from the swirl of activity on 6th street, university of texas undergraduate laura ashley hall finds herself alone in an interrogation room contemplating the possibility of prison. police have already charged laura with hindering apprehension for driving boyfriend colton pitonyak into mexico after he kills his own girlfriend, 21-year-old jennifer cave. investigators also suspect laura of dismembering the corpse in the bathtub, cutting off the head and the hands to prevent identification.

>> didn't say anything about handling the body. >> i didn't touch the body. >> didn't say anything about handling things -- >> i didn't touch the hacksaw. >> when did we talk about a hacksaw? >> we didn't. i read it in the paper. >> do you believe everything you read it in the paper? >> no. >> how did you know there was a hacksaw involved. >> he told me he went and bought the hacksaw. he confessed that. >> laura is in the box for more than eight hours tweaking, revising, and sometimes in reinventing her narrative. >> he said that three people came into the apartment, one of them was -- they had guns. they came in shooting at them. he said he killed three people. >> did he say where the rest of them was supposed to be? >> yeah. >> what did he say? >> he said he dumped them. >> yet in between the inaccuracies, detectives say

they find a few nuggets of truth they need to further the case against colton. >> there's a bit of relief after the interrogation, because we were able to gather details that we would not have otherwise. >> despite her description of colton pitonyak as an intimidating drug user, who at one stage in laura's story runs his tongue down a bloody knife, she refuses to testify at his 2007 trial for jennifer's murder. >> mr. pitonyak says he doesn't remember how it happened. when he essentially came out of the influence of alcohol and drugs, his friend jennifer cave was dead in his apartment. as far as all the mutilation and all of the aftermath, he blamed all of that on laura. >> colton is convicted of murder and sentenced to 55 years.

and sometime prior to her own trial, laura tattoos his name on her ankle, a bewildering choice her lawyer attributes to her instability. >> i think she is bipolar. there's a picture of her coming into a trial and she looks like she's interviewing for miss america. she's smiling. it's all bad affect. but dear god, tell me, is that evidence relevant to the determination of whether or not you committed a crime? >> because she opts not to take the stand at her trial, the best barometer of her character can be found on the interrogation tapes. >> colton owed about $2,000 to the asian mafia. he thought they were going to kill him over the money. >> yet prosecutors never allowed jurors to hear these statements. >> i've never seen the state miss an opportunity to air an interrogation.

>> i know it's embarrassing but i have to ask, was there intercourse or oral sex? >> uh-huh. >> what could be more important to show a jury than the callous disregard for the fact you're having sex feet away from the dismembered body of the young girl? but they don't do it. and the question is, why not? the flip side of that coin is it's callousness on the part of two detectives who act in reckless disregard of the bounds of common human decency. >> we did not introduce the interrogation at trial because we felt like it was manipulative and self-serving and we would like to question her about her story. >> even though prosecutors are confident, they think both the machete used in the

dismemberment and gun fired will convince jurors she mutilated her rival for colton's affections. on december 1st, 2007, lawyer is convicted of tampering with evidence, for cutting up jennifer's body and hindering apprehension for driving colton to mexico. nonetheless, because of a procedural dispute regarding the penal phase, laura decides to appeal her five-year sentence. this time bill bishop is prepared to let jurors hear the defendant's words, not from the interrogation but a series of recorded jailhouse phone conversations. >> i'm pretty mad. there's a lot of people that are going to pay for this. i hate them with a passion. >> among the targets of laura's anger, jennifer cave's mother. >> she's going down one way or another, that bitch. >> i remember the words. they are burned into my memory. i think the next question that

was played in that conversation was what about that [ bleep ] damn judge? she responds, when i get out of jail this time, i'm going to march down to his office and i'm going to bitch slap that mother [ bleep ] is what she said. of course the judge is sitting there listening, too. >> in july 2010, laura's appeal results in her sentence being doubled to 10 years. for detective david fugate, the information called from the interrogation of laura ashley hall ultimately fulfills his mission of giving voice to the dead. >> the bottom line is to find out the facts of the case. it's not necessary all about the conviction, it's about finding the truth. >> coming up. >> please don't ask me these questions. >> a florida teen is told he helped kill his elderly relatives. >> if he didn't really remember

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when they figure out what happened, put the puzzle together. then the people decide they want to deal and they are the ones that start talking. >> 18-year-old alex bostick listens to phil akin explain his crime-fighting philosophy. >> i think about this case at night. i dream about this case. i'm thinking about it in my sleep when i'm dreaming. >> he didn't think of himself very highly. >> alex has come to the hernando county sheriff's office to talk about a double homicide. >> this is going to be solved very quickly. >> i had no idea that i was a suspect at all in any of that. >> alex is the only boy with

three sisters and a single mom. he was just a redneck boy that went hunting and fishing and loved being in the woods with all of his friends. >> he considers the homicide victims 84-year-old patrick depalma and his 79-year-old wife evelyn likable but distant relatives. >> the depalmas were my great uncle and aunt. evelyn depalma was my grandfather's sister. the children and i went over there and scrubbed her house and did all kinds of stuff for her. >> on october 28th, 2006, an intruder drives up to the depalmas' remote home in the small community. >> they were stabbed and cut multiple times.

mrs. depalma is located in the back bedroom. mr. depalma was in that hallway. >> i was 16 at the time of the murders. >> by the time the police visit his home, two years after the crime, alex is a senior at tampa's freedom high school. >> the detective said i understand you have guns and knives. alex is a good old country boy. and he says, yes, sir, i do. he says, do you hunt? he says, yeah, but i hunt men. and once you hunt men, it's a totally different game. >> alex then drives himself to the sheriff's office, gets issued a guest pass, and goes inside the box with the detective. >> i've never been interrogated or whatever you call it. >> it's not interrogated. it's called you helping the out man. >> i was definitely pro law enforcement.

they seemed like they would be good people. >> here is the thing. this is phil and alex talking here. phil who's a man here. when i was 16 i didn't want my mom know what i was frickin' doing. >> made me seem more comfortable saying it's just me and you talking, almost seemed as if it was off the record. >> do you think somebody intentionally went to hurt them or something just went wrong? >> he is providing a scenario which is not unusual for a investigator to do, a detective to do. >> gets into a frenzy. [ bleep ] >> i knew my girlfriend was outside and couple of friends were waiting for me back home to come back. we were going to have a fire out in the woods. >> but before alex leaves, police ask him to take a lie detector test on a computerized

voice stress analyzer, or cvsa. >> what this is it measures the stress of the voice. so as long as you tell the truth, you'll be able to pass with this with no problem and i'll be the best friend you've got today. >> cool. >> once again alex is asked a series of general questions about the double homicide. >> do you know anything about how they were killed or anything? >> looks like someone broke in and murdered them from what i heard. i'm guessing they tried to fight back or something. >> what do you think should happen to the people that killed your aunt and uncle? >> i think they should be locked up. >> is there any reason you shouldn't pass? >> no. >> okay. >> alex thinks the test is over but the detective tells him the computer malfunctioned. >> every once in a while you get a blue screen, the computer shuts down. that's what happened with this one, it just shut down.

we've got two, we use them so often. i'll get this cranked up. >> you're going to have to reload the questions? >> it will only take a minute. >> computers, i think as we all know, although they are of great assistance, sometimes they are a problem. i've seen that happen in other investigations by other law enforcement agents. if the question is, is that a ploy by the examiner, i don't believe it was. i don't have any evidence to indicate that it was. >> still, alex seems bothered by the mishap. >> i'll have you out of here before you know it. alex, do me a favor. take the microphone and hold it in front of your mouth. don't click it there. just hold it. >> i've never heard of a voice analysis. but i was doing everything i could to try to clear up whatever their thoughts were. i had no doubts on the answers i give him. i was extremely confident.

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test to alex bostick repeatedly asking about his elderly relatives slain in the course of a burglary in the rural community of masarytown a few years earlier. >> my mom here? >> yeah, she's here. >> methodically investigators compile the results of the computer arrived voice stress analyzer, or cvsa exam. alex is unprepared for what comes next. >> this is indicative of a lie, a very strong lie. that question was, do you know who killed your aunt and uncle. this obviously shows you're lying, you do know. this test you lied on both questions. >> that was the truth. >> no, it's not. >> it's a lie, brother. >> they were definitely lying about the voice analysis.

i had nothing to hide. i was doing my best to answer any question they had about this. >> i know the examiner. i'm not a cvsa expert by any means. based on the materials he had, that was his opinion. >> i haven't done anything. >> i'm telling you, you failed it miss really. >> can i retake it? >> no. it's twice you've taken it and you failed it miserably. i want to work with you. i'm not going to work with you if you keep lying to me. >> i was getting quite disturbed with the entire situation and stating to them clearly several times, i couldn't even tell you how many, that i wasn't there and i was innocent. >> please stop for a second. >> i don't want to you touch me. >> i'm sorry. >> what you do -- >> i didn't do anything. i don't know where i could have been. i don't know. i'm so scared, it's not even funny. i'm so [ bleep ] scared.

i don't know what to do. >> he definitely took away any personal space that was there. when we had first started talking, he was i believe on the opposite side of the table from me. a little further into the interrogation, he had moved his chair up towards mine and was sitting rather close. >> that whole body language, kinetic thing, i know there's a theory behind it, rubbing their shoulder, their back or patting them on the knee, you know, it will be all right. i'll take care of things. >> over and over again detective phil tries drawing out alex by downplaying his presumed role in the murders, portraying the teen as an unwitting accomplice in a robbery gone wrong. >> you probably wanted to puke when it happened. you wanted to puke when this happened.

>> as nightfall descends on the hernando county sheriff's office, alex's mother sherry bostick maintains a vigil outside the interrogation room. >> they said we're going to close the station. have you to wait inside. >> i said what? my son is in here. i want my son. they said we're not done talking with him yet. he knew more than we thought. >> can i please -- >> we're going to resolve. >> not allowing my mother come in definitely worsened the situation a lot. from the lower self-esteem or lower confidence level i was at, it just plummeted from there. >> were you [ bleep ] up. >> no. i haven't done anything but weed and alcohol my entire life. >> slowly alex says the detective's suggestions about

what spraps transpire transpired at the crime scene begin to impact the interview. >> i don't remember anything, unless they gave me something. i'm trying. >> you've been carrying the weight of this around for way too long, man. >> i'm trying to find anything. i don't ever remember going inside of their house. >> you were there, man. you were there. >> i was inside? >> you were at the house. >> was i inside though? i'm trying to play a scenario that would make sense. that would pop up in my head. something that was true. i was definitely trying to put together anything i could that would help. i'm trying to remember. all i see is little flashes. it all looks like i'm trying to make something up. >> go ahead, brother. it's okay. you can tell me. >> after more than five hours in the box, alex is ready to tell the story he thinks police want to hear.

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central florida april 10th, 2008. >> tell me how it went down there. >> i didn't do it, man. >> how it went bad. >> after denying his role in a double homicide for several hours, alex bostick is about to tell hernando county investigators about the deaths of his elderly relatives pat and evelyn depalma two years earlier. >> son, we're past -- i'm trying to tell you. i know we're past it. i'm afraid of going to jail. >> for much of the interrogation, alex has refused to place himself anywhere near the crime scene.

now he said he visited the depalma home with two older acquaintances named keith and ryan to commit a burglary. the story is consistent with the theory detective phil laken has been advancing in the interview room. >> i wouldn't be capable of doing anything like that, which is why the story i came up with included the two other suspects. >> they gave me something but i didn't want to take it. they were funny round pills. >> do you remember how many there were. >> there was a couple. try to get drugs, something. >> when else would you be trying to find? >> all he would look forward to was money. >> i thought if he heard a little bit of what he wanted to hear, that i was going to get let go. >> i was outside. >> you were outside?

where outside were you? >> going to keith's car. >> for what? >> his phone. >> when you went back inside the house, tell me what you knew and what you saw, what you heard. >> they were hollering a little bit. >> who was hollering and what were they saying while they were hollering. >> something wasn't supposed to happen. >> what wasn't supposed to happen. >> i guess killing them. >> i guess mainly from watching tv, i pieced together how i think a murder scene would go down. >> sometime during the night prosecutor, former dade county police officer, receives a call from the sheriff's office. >> i said, well, don't arrest him for the murder. perhaps at best he may be an accessory. >> i wasn't there. please stop asking me these questions.

>> bostick said i don't know. by my count 285 times, i can't or i don't remember 283 times. >> what are you going to tell me something went bad. >> i don't know. >> what the detective felt were admissions to certainly factual aspects were only made after the detective directly or indirectly provided that information to mr. bostick. >> it's all right. you've remembered quite a bit so far. you're doing a good job. i'll check right now. >> if they didn't leave will you tell them i love them? >> i will. >> by about 11:00 that night, my ex-husband showed up banging on the doors for someone to let us in and get to my son.

the detectives looked at me and said he was there. he was at the crime scene when it happened. and i said, he's a good boy, you know. he doesn't deserve this. he said ted bundy's mother said he was a good boy, too. >> the hernando county sheriff's office declined to discuss alex's case with msnbc. when alex's father, david bostick, finally gains access to the interrogation room, the teen has been there for more than eight hours. >> just relax. breathe. >> one thing he's always been able to do is keep me calm. >> i came here today and i didn't believe i had anything to do with it until they told me the lie detector said and they had all this evidence. >> that's all kind of a ploy. >> alex's parents are about to deliver the worst news possible. >> you are being charged -- >> with -- >> murder. >> all right.

>> i'm sorry. we're right in the middle of it. we'll have the attorney here and do as much as we can as soon as we can. >> i'm calling him again right now. he said, what are they going to do to me? i wiped his tears, and i was just like, i don't know. >> where are we going? >> we're going for a ride, brother. >> because he was 16 at the time of the murders, alex is transported to a juvenile detention facility where he's placed in solitary confinement. >> i knew there was only two things that could happen. either they were going to figure out they were wrong and i was going to be okay or i was going to sit in jail for a while. >> there was a meeting later on in the morning with the sheriff's office. they were of the belief that the