let me finish with this. when you look at the faces at st. peter's square how can you not have hope? those faces glisten with the excitement and possibility that the world's largest church could have a lead history will deliver us to an era of openness, honesty, compassion, and social justice. all this could happen because francis i, that's the name he took, holds tremendous power. as we watched him tonight present himself, we saw how he was calling the shots minute to minute, not operating according to the prescribed choreography directed to him by the vatican officials there. i believe that's a good small sign perhaps of things to come. the last thing we need is a pope

locked into the woodwork over there. as a catholic i am so hopeful. i want a pope who cares about the welfare of the hull bell people, those without power. and that's "hardball" for now. thanks for being with us. "politics nation" with al sharpton starts right now. >> thanks, chris. thanks to you forritun tuning i. we start tonight with news, the mystery is over. we have a new pope. jorge will be called francis. there's another mystery about to be solved. the man behind mitt romney's infamous 47% tape will be revealed tonight. it was his secretly recorded tape that exposed who mitt romney really was at his core. he was speaking off the cuff at a fund-raiser inside of this florida mansion and he had no

idea his life and his campaign was about to change forever. >> there are 47% of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. all right, there are 47% who are with him who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you name it. and so my job is not to worry about those people. i'll never convince them that they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives. >> 47% of americans were victims who believe their involvement has a responsibility to take care of them. he wasn't going to worry about them. the damage control started right away. >> good evening. i understand that there's a video that's been on the internet for a few weeks that has attracted some attention and i thought i'd make some comments about it. >> you're not stepping away from

anything you said in this video, you're not backing away from anything, and do you worry you've offended this 47% who you mentioned? >> well, you know, it's not elegantly stated, let me put it that way. >> this became what the campaign was all about. it's mitt romney, the 47% guy, against president obama, the family guy. we know how it ended but to this day we don't know who was behind that tape. a new chapter in american political history is about to be written. the man who recorded those 47% comments reveals himself to ed schultz in two hours right here on msnbc. here's part of the interview when ed asked why he did it. >> i simply wanted his words to go out. and everybody could make a judgment based on his words and his words alone. the guy was running for the presidency.

and these were his core beliefs. and i think, you know, everybody can judge whether, you know, that's appropriate or not, or they believe the same things he does. but i felt that an obligation to expose the things that he was saying. >> joining me now is my colleague, ed schultz. host of "the ed show" here on msnbc. ed, thanks for doing this, first of all, congratulations on this interview. >> thank you, rev, good to be here. >> tell us about him. who is he and why did he come forward? >> well, he didn't do this with the intention of injecting himself into the political process or becoming such a pig f big factor in an important election. he's a worker, a wage earner, a guy that worked parties, was a bartender. and he was going to be there and he knew it. and he was going to see one of two people who was going to be president of the united states. and so he wanted a souvenir, so

he had a little camera that he got and put it on there and started recording it just to have it as somewhat of a souvenir. but as the night went on and as the conversation went on, he realized what he had. and he couldn't believe what he was hearing. he talks about that tonight in the interview. he talks about really what tripped his trigger as to what he thought, you know, the american people had to hear because they weren't hearing this side of mitt romney out on the campaign trail. and he knew instantly he had a story to tell. >> so he didn't go there as a guy who disliked romney? >> no, this was not a get moment. this was not, hey, i'm going to sneak this camera in here. there were other cameras in the room, there were other people recording. obviously they were for romney, because this is a $50,000 dinner fund-raiser plate. he talks about romney's personality. he talks about what was said that was not getting any exposure. we all focus in, the media what, on the 47% comment. but there was another story that was told that did get some attention by the media. and that is the story about the

sweatshop in china. and about how mitt romney went over to china to purchase this when he was with bain. and this gentleman will tell the story how that hit him and how he thought that that just had to get out. he just didn't get the tape, you know, fall into and it say, hey, i'm going to be somebody. he talks about why he released it now. >> now i know you're not here to give us the name. >> sure. >> tell us about the guy. what can you tell us about the profile of the guy that this resonated with the guy? >> i would -- he comes from blue collar roots. he comes from -- he's a wage earner his whole life. to my knowledge he is not a union member. and he is a guy that is trying to make a living. he's a guy that works hard, that believes in america. he tells me that he's a registered independent. that he's never really been a big politico. he obviously follows the news and it was an election year and

he was paying some attention to it. this is a guy, in my opinion, from what i could see, from the two hours that i spent with him to do this interview, and there's a lot that's going to hit the cutting room floor. it's a very interesting story. our team has been working out hard. this is a guy that could have gone to "60 minutes." he could have gone to the biggest platform out there. but it wasn't about him. and it wasn't about making a dollar. and he turned down a lot of offers. and he decided to go where workers are advocated for, which i'm honored. as our network should be honored. and he talks about that decision. he talks about what his life has been like. how he really struggled with what he was going to do with the tape. you know, rev, and you're in the business of managing big things in the public eye. no one has managed this man. this has all been his instincts. no pr firm, no media consultant, no one that says, hey, you've got to do this, or this isn't going to happen. this is really amazing. >> by not having that

management, he talked to you about the risks that he took to get the tape out. let me play that part. >> has this been any time where you feared for your life? >> i was up against the most powerful, richest people in the country. and, you know, it was certainly -- the stakes were pretty high. and i knew that you know, you never know what could happen. whether there's nuts out there. you know, you just didn't know. i've certainly had threats. >> so, i mean, this guy's not being handled by anyone, which means he has nobody promising him any protection. >> no. >> so he's a courageous guy on top of it. >> very courageous. he has got tremendous character, he's very courageous, i think that comes across in the interview. i think he's very genuine. he wanted people to know the real mitt romney. that's what this was all about. >> you also asked about how hard of a decision was it to put the tape out.

listen to this. >> how big a decision was it for you to release the tape and to go through all of this? it was -- it was -- it was tough. i debated fare ed for a little . but in the end i really felt like it had to be put out. i felt i owed it to the people that couldn't afford to be there themselves to hear what he really thought. >> now let me show you, ed, what mitt romney said just a couple of weeks ago about the 47% comment. listen. >> it was a very unfortunate statement that i made. it's not what i meant. i didn't express myself as i wished i would have. it was very harmful. what i said is not what i believe. that hurt, there's no question that hurt, and did real damage to my campaign. >> so even romney admits it hurt, it did tremendous damage to his campaign, even though he tries to act like he just misspoke. there's no question what this

guy did was of real impact in the race last year. >> that interview right there on march 3rd just 10 days ago was the trigger. that was the deciding point for this gentleman. >> oh, really? >> i'm going to come forward, i'm going to speak out. when he found out mitt romney was going to speak at cpac and he saw that interview on fox, in denial mitt romney was, what he was still saying, that's when he made the decision that he was going to take a risk, and it is a risk, for him to come out and speak to everything that he is -- everything that he's been through. and he talks about the anguish of after the recording. and how tough it was for him to come out. he knew what he had. but he didn't want to make a mistake and he didn't want to draw attention to himselfr. if he wanted to draw attention to himself he could have been on every news show within 48 hours. >> no doubt. >> he could have been anywhere. but it wasn't about him. and that's what's so genuine about this. and i do think that this is

going to be a revolutionary moment in how to handle campaigns. there's never going to be a fund-raiser again without it being completely controlled or the candidate understanding what you say behind closed doors is what you're going to have to be held accountable for. >> or at least you should say what you mean and mean what you say. >> well, and that too. on march 3rd was some discrepancy in what mitt romney was saying there which i think was the impetus why he came out. >> and stand by one more minute. i want to bring in ben la balt, former national press secretary for the obama campaign. ben, you were inside the campaign when this tape came out. what was the reaction inside the campai campaign? >> well, we knew immediately how damaging this tape was. it's rare that you have a gift that's this potent handed to you at such a critical time in the campaign. and the reason it was so damaging was because it played into americans' worst fears of who mitt romney was.

here he was writing off half of the american people when he was trying to lead them. and i remember huddling meal with david axelrod and stephanie cutter and trying to calibrate our response. when we took a look at the tape, we decided the most important thing for to us do was to get out of the way, let the american people hear mitt romney talk about the 47% in his own words. and that's what we did in battleground markets across the country. we put that tape up on the air for all americans to hear. >> and i think that was wise that you got out of the way. didn't stand in the way of the story. it spoke for itself. there was nothing else to do. >> that's right. and ultimately it became a critical contrast in the campaign. the president's campaign was all about strengthening the middle class. and here you had mitt romney going down a list of 47% of americans, retirees who'd worked their entire life paying into social security, paying into medicare, so that they could have a secure retirement.

veterans. these were the faces of mitt romney's 47%. and those folks went out there and spoke about their thoughts on that tape for the rest of the campaign and really put a human face on what mitt romney was talking about and what he got deeply wrong. >> and i think, and you've got the great interview, we're under two hours before we can see it. i think that it showed a lot of american people the meanness of this guy. and i think it was wise of the obama camp not to get in the way. my mother used to tell me, if you see a guy going over a cliff, give him room, don't turn a suicide into a homicide. >> another thing that's genuine about this gentleman is that he didn't take it to the obama camp. he took it to the social media. >> very smart. >> he knew what he had. but he used the social networking platform to make sure this was going to get out. so he was not politically bent in any way. he wanted the story to get to the american people because he thought the american people needed to know it. >> well, we'll be watching.

ben labolt, now a democratic strategist, thank you for joining us. >> thank you, reverend. >> ed, we'll all be looking forward to this one. do not miss "the ed show" exclusive. the man who shot the 47% video with ed schultz for the full hour, 8:00 p.m. eastern, right here on msnbc. with ed, the scoopster. >> the mittster and the scoopster. ahead, inside the president's meeting with the house republicans and why the only thing they respond to is force. plus, the grassroots movement that helped president obama win re-election is getting back to work. we'll see the president live tonight. the republican party's a mess. and so is their actual party. you will not believe what we're learning on the eve of the big conference. big show ahead, stay with us. [ birds chirping ]

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capitol hill. it was described as a tense meeting. gee, i would wonder why. after all, the gop has been so welcoming. just take the gop conference chairwoman. she told her colleagues that they should not take pictures of the president or ask him for his autograph. don't get too close, he might bite. and then there's congressman ryan. just listen to his reaction to the president's so have called charm offensive. >> it didn't come across as terribly charming to me. the question is, is he going to go out on the campaign trail and start campaigning against us again like he has been since the election? was the so-called charm offensive a temporary poll-driven political calculation? or was it a sincere conversion to try and bring became together? >> hm. suddenly mr. let's repeal health care is the authority on sincerity. how about that. just listen to what congressman

mccarthy has to say about the president. >> i'll bet you this. i bet you he spends more time filling out his march madness brackets than he does writing a budget. >> wow. with news views like that no wonder the meeting was tense. the truth is the gop's real policemen with the president isn't his outreach, it's that he won't cave on his principles. >> paul ryan today put forward his budget and he says he's challenging you to come forward with a budget that also reaches balance. are you going to do that? >> no. my goal is not to chase a balanced budget just for the sake of balance. it's not balance on the backs of the poor, the elderly, students who need student loans, families who have got disabled kids. >> that's the gop's real problem. don't let them fool you. ginning me now is e.j. dionne. e.j., let me ask you, is the real problem here what i'm saying? what is the real problem, in your opinion?

does the gop expect the president to cave in on his principles? >> the real problem is a huge philosophical gulf about the way forward. i was really glad that the president very explicitly said, there's nothing magical about balancing the budget in ten years. if we balance the budget too quickly and especially if we make a lot of cuts early, we're going to potentially wreck this economy. that's number one. number two, if you look at paul ryan's budget, there are incredible cuts in there to the poorest people in the country. and also to people in the middle class. the center on budget and policy pray others estimates that it would knock 40 million to 50 million people out of health coverage. the president cannot support that. and i think it's a real challenge for people who are moderates. are they going to acknowledge how radical paul ryan's budget is? so it's not surprising that the meeting was testy. there's just such a huge gulf right now between the president and house republicans.

>> well, huge gulf. let me show you what the gop leaders said and how they stressed how far apart they were after the meeting, how far apart they were from the president on key issues. let me show you. >> republicans want to solve our long-term debt problem. the president doesn't. we want to unlock our energy resources to put more americans back to work. the president doesn't. but having said that, today was a good start. >> again, if the president wants to let our unwillingness to raise taxes get in the way, then we're not going to be able to set differences aside. >> so they are trying to act inflexible and it seems that the president has held on to his guns. >> right, and two of those statements, the two statements john boehner made, aren't exactly true, to be very xartable about it. the president does care about fiscal balance. he's put a deal on the table. he just doesn't think we need to

get there as quickly as the republicans claim we get there. and in terms of unlocking our energy, we are closer to energy independence than we've ever been. they may want to drill in places the president doesn't. but we're making a lot of progress on energy. i think eric cantor's statement put his finger on it. the republicans in the house in particular, and we're going to see how republicans in the senate do, that the republicans in the house are simply not willing to raise another penny in taxes from well-off people as part of the effort to balance the budget. in fact, the ryan budget cuts the top income tax rate from 39.6% to 25% without explaining all the middle class tax benefits they're going to have to get rid of to do that. >> but are they coming to the table honest brokers? are they really being serious? or do you think they're just playing to their base? >> oh, they're definitely playing to their base. and i think paul ryan actually

believes what's in that budget of his. i just think he is terribly, terribly wrong, particularly about government's role in lifting up the least among us. and, you know, so that in terms of negotiation, what they're saying is, we'll negotiate with the president if he agrees with us. >> which is no negotiation at all. >> right. that he's saying, if he drops taxes, then we'll talk to him. but the president says, central to his position is that we need both some more revenue, some more taxes, through tax reform in the president's case, along with spending cults. you can't negotiate if you're saying no to the half the president is asking you to move on. >> yeah. all right, e.j. dionne. great to have you on tonight. >> great pleasure to be with you, thanks. ahead, chris christie fires a big warning shot at the gop. they're about to hold a big party and he wasn't invited. plus, president obama is firing up the base. and telling supporters how they

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we're back with news tonight from washington. president obama is set to speak at the founders summit, organizing for action. it's a group that graw out of what many consider the greatest political campaign in american history. and it's now focused on rallying support for his second-term agenda. that grassroots movement of millions of americans helped get the president re-elected in november, and now he's counting on those same supporters to help push his priorities forward, to create pressure for change from outside the beltway. one issue at a time. >> we are here to get immigration reform done. we are here to move forward on taking action against climate change. to taking action against gun violence. >> the nra is running ads today against commonsense gun safety

measures which 90% of americans support. you know, shady groups with unnamed backers are already advocating against immigration reform. and rest assured, we're not going to just shrug this off. >> they're not going to just shrug it off. they're going to fight the nra, karl rove, and all those billionaire donors in the gop and republicans in congress who don't want change. this new group is empowering americans to fight for what's important to them. and to help realize what they voted for in november. joining me is former pennsylvania governor ed rendell and pollster solyndra lake from lake research partners. thank you for being here tonight. >> our pleasure. >> thank you. >> governor, this group is definitely still a work in progress but how might it help the president's second-term agenda? >> it's interesting, rev. it will help but it will help in targeted areas. for example, in pennsylvania,

most of the congressmen, the republican congressmen, are in areas that the president didn't carry and that ofa didn't have that much of an impact. they had a huge impact in philadelphia but of course the philadelphia congressmen are all on board anyway. where they'll help is in moderate republican districts, probably one out of the four republican congressmen, and in blue dog districts and in blue dog democrat senator states. they'll be very impactful there. because they do a great job and they can easily convert it to an issue or a group. and i think those blue dog democrats and the moderate republicans that are left are going to hear a ton from constituents, because of ofa, the new ofa. i think that might really make a difference. >> solinda, organizing for action could be key to the president getting his agenda enacted. at "the atlantic" they write, if he pulls it off he could revolutionize lawmaking the way

he's already revolutionize t ii campaigns. no president has ever commanded a standing army of organized supporters who could be summoned at a moment's notice to put pressure on washington at his command. how do you respond to that, melinda? solinda? >> i think they couldn't have gotten it better. i think they've got it exactly right. it's particularly important now. on the one hand we have fewer organized groups. it's not like the churches, the labor unions, the women's groups, the environmental groups can still mobile it's the way that they once did. yet we have at just the flick of a couple of keys or an iphone the ability to connect thousands and thousands and tens of thousands of people. i think this is perfect. i think it meets the moment. as they said, he revolutionized politics, now he'll revoluti revolutionize representation. it couldn't be better, in my mind. >> the numbers are impressive, governor. the organize for action was

established just seven weeks ago. but already they've been bringing americans together. already they've had 10,000 neighborhood team captains signed up, helped organize 100 day of action for gun control events nationally. 100 events. organized 1,200 watch parties for the state of the union 1.1 million people have done at least one volunteer action for the organization. impressive numbers in seven weeks. >> nothing that any of us have ever seen matches it. it is incredible. and of course, most of those people that are in organizing for action came from obama for america. so they were built in, they're trained, they're battle tested, they're experienced, they know how to organize. it's a powerful political force, reverend, a powerful political force. >> celinda, you've been out in the country, all over the country, in the belly of the country as one would say, polling, doing focus groups,

talking to american people. what are you getting from the american people? >> the american people, their top two emotions are frustration and anxiety. they feel incredibly frustrated with washington. and i think it is so smart that the president has found his voice and his vehicle. it's not going to happen in the beltway. the beltway is broken and stuck. he's taking his message out to the people. people are incredibly frustrated that they voted for barack obama and now a few republicans in the senate and the republicans in congress will not let him have his way. they lost the election. give us a shot. let's try something. let's move forward. and this is the way for the people to have their say. and i think that the other thing that organizing for america can do, for action, can do, which is to the governor's point, they can call their friends and family. they may live in very democratic areas but they can e-mail and call friends and family and co-workers in other areas and say, enough is enough.

let's move forward. who in this country thinks that profitable corporations don't pay enough in taxes? not the voters. >> so they can be the breakthrough to get through this whole resill dance that's been blocking the president from getting all of the things through that he wants to get through, in your opinion? >> i do. and i think also, if you get organizing for action taking these stands, then i think we're going to see a lot more participation and a lot more accountability in the 2014 elections. because if you have written your congressman three times and told him to be voting a different way and he hasn't done it, you're going to show up at the polls and you're going to be voting for change. >> governor, you've been in office. you've been a governor. how does that work? when you have constituents contacting you with this kind of pressure coming, as one that has sat in the seat of power, how effective is that? hue does it work? >> it doesn't always win the day. there are some times, if you

believe in something wrostrongl you have to stay by it. pat toomey, the senator from pennsylvania who i like as a person and who's shown some willingness to cooperate with the president on budget issues. you know that 90% of pennsylvanians are for universal background checks, are you when the time comes to get that vote, are you going to put up a no vote on universal background checks? you do so at your own peril. no ifs, ands, buts about it. >> do you think, governor that a well-mobilized army like this that is strategically used could be the beginning of others learning how to do this and set a whole new pattern in american politics? >> well, it could, reverend. but understand, a lot of these people are deeply committed to the president. it's the president's leadership. the big test of whether he's changed politics, and you hit it on the head, is after the president is out of office. will ofa still exist? will it help the next president

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and brightest. everyone will be gossiping about the straw poll. there's a ronald reagan award and a charlton heston courage under fire awardr. anyone who's anyone will be there. it's a big deal. which brings me to the most pressing question of the night. what will they wear? or, more importantly, what should they not wear? a conservative publicist and blogger has created a helpful dos and don'ts guide for the big party. here's what's off-limits. sorry, mitch mcconnell, no halter tops. sarah palin, better leave those ugg boats at home. paul ryan, no dressy shorts, i don't care how much you want to show off that p-90x. maybe the conference could use a makeover. but the problem isn't their dress code. it's their lineup. who's getting more air time than the gop stars?

like, say, your marco rubio or budget wonderboy paul ryan? are you ready for this? none other than sarah palin and donald trump. yes. this is actually really happening. conservatives can't get enough. i know what the real problem is. it's a party all dressed up with nowhere to gor. joining me now is joy reid and dana millbank. thank you both for being here tonight. >> good to be here. >> hi, reverend. >> thank you both for following the "politics nation" dress code too. palin and trump, what's the message here? >> what do you wear for a circus? it's difficult to dress for it. i think it's another instance of the republican party focusing on the wrong things. i actually think the only thing wrong with cpac is the fact that i don't get to go because this sounds like the biggest party and the most fun ever, watching

sarah palin talk about the war on christmas which i sure she'll bring up, thauls the subject of her new book and she's about making money, that's what sarah palin does. they don't have chris christie, probably their most viable person. but they do have donald trump, a birther. i think this tells you the republican party doesn't feel that they have a problem with who they are, they feel, yeah, we got some marketing problems but they like who they are. they like being the party of the john birch society because they're invited. they don't want to reach out to gay and lesbian people, because they're not invited. this is the pear being itself without the handlers telling them what to do. >> dana, when i looked at the time break-down, because i do -- congress is not too many conservative ones. so you kind of look at these things. this is very interesting because it shows the mess they're in. rick santorum gets seven minutes. paul ryan and marco rubio get 11 minutes apiece. bobby jindal and rand paul, rick

perry, scott auguwalker get 13 minutes apiece. how about this, donald trump gets 14 minutes. and sarah palin, yes, sarah palin, gets 16 minutes. the keynote speaker, senator ted cruz, for 33 minutes. and chris christie, the most popular republican in the country, not even invited. i mean, this is unbelievable. sarah palin got kicked off of fox news. she practically got kicked out of the party. and the reality show birther king donald trump, they get more time than rubio and ryan? >> reverend, i will be there tomorrow. wearing my shorts and with a stopwatch to keep very close track of all this. i particularly love that they're allocating minute by minute. because they're fight over this increasingly irrelevant share of the electorate here. as cpac becomes less and less relevant, as the movement shrinks, it seems that all these actors from the past want a bit

of it. i think we should have some sympathy for the movement at this time. if you look at the agenda, what they've got going here, it's like november 2012, an autopsy, should we shoot all the consultants? what the other side has learned and we haven't. these are the kinds of topics for discussion this week. i think we should speak in hushed tones and realize that this is a sick party and a sick movement that needs our sympathy. >> joy, what is the time allotments tell you? >> well, first of all, it tells me that i'm not sure marco rube yes's going to have enough time to do all 16 bars of the rap song i'm sure he's composed now that he's our preeminent hip-hop fan in politics. you can see that sarah palin is exactly twice as popular as rick santorum, someone who actually ran for president and had a shot. someone like paul ryan, writing their ayn rand budget, but he's half as popular as donald trump. i don't know that they're irrelevant. base of the republican party,

conservative movement, this is where the energy, it's with rand paul, the palinites. the smart people in the party have always manage to get these folks to go along with them at election time with their mitt romneys and john mccains but they want to stuff them back in a closet after the election. these people no longer want to be in the closet, them to be out front. >> let me show you, dana, what's going to be -- let me give you a sample of what you and your short pants are going to see tomorrow. >> all i want to do is see this guy's birth certificate. perhaps it's going to say hawaii. perhaps it's going to say kenya. >> it doesn't matter if that person has national-level experience or not, they're going to get clobbered by the lamestream media who does not like the conservative message. >> i don't want to make light -- people's lives better by giving them somebody else's money. >> leave free or die, victory or death, bring it.

sorry. oops. >> there you go, dana. >> it's enough, reverend, to make me pull off my halter top and throw it at the stage. it's going to be quite a show and i look forward to reporting back. >> now, joy, in all sincerity, we mentioned senator ted cruz, the keynote speaker. he's been getting a lot of attention for being a political bomb-thrower. he's called the president radical. just today he called for obama care to be repealed. and later, at a press conference, he even threatened a government shut-down. watch this. >> i think it's the right position for republicans to be taking. and i think it would be exactly the right decision to then send it back to harry reid and president obama and ask if harry reid and president obama are willing to try to shut the government down in order to insist that obama care be fully

funded now, even though it could well push us into a recession. >> now, this is the keynote speaker. and still wanting to get rid of obama care. >> yeah, it would seem insane that ted cruz is fighting for the path. he is trying to bring back the mccarthy era in his general ramblings on capitol hill. that would seem crazy. if paul ryan, supposedly the most serious men in washington who all the belt take seriously, wasn't doing the same thing in his budget, trying to get rid of the affordable health care act, which is signed off on. they are stuck in the past, not able to accept the results of the last election. you know who would love it if they tried to shut the government down? democrats. they are digging this party's grave and i don't think they even know it. >> we'll have to leave it there. joy reid and dana milbank, thank you both for your time. it's a historic day at the vatican. we have a new pope from a new part of the world. that's next.

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