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>> welcome back to "morning joe." we're talking about what we learned today. i learned actually that i was deliberately obtuse on health issues. perspective of someone on twitter to say is he really that stupid? i learned about ten big ideas. we didn't get a chance to talk about it. a great book. we have to talk about the biggest of the big ideas. >> my favorite idea is a lab made burger. a laboratory meat so that vegetarians can have it and that you save on all of the farmland that is used to kill 9 billion cattle and pigs and all that. you know what i learned today? i learned how long two hours is in morning television. it lasts forever. >> try three.

we're three. >> what did you learn? >> i learned the 11th big idea that didn't make the cut was the egg white mcmuffin. >> 40 calories less. >> i'm hungry. what did you learn? >> i'm good. let's wrap it up. mika, you stay here. you always walk off. i'm going to make do you this. if it's would too early, what time is it? >> it's time for "morning joe" now time for "the daily rundown" with chuck todd. have a good day, everybody. >> two down, two to go. after a contentious meeting with house republicans, today president obama talks to the group of republicans who may hold more of his legacy in their hands than he realizes, senate republicans. the bigger question, will the conversations continue after this week to try to find some common ground? meantime, a conservative kickoff as fan favorites headline a de facto 2016 cattle call in front of a boisterous base at the

annual cpac meeting outside of washington today. and an historic pick for pope. a latin american jesuit. we'll go live to the vatican in just minutes to break down what it means for the billion catholics around the world and perhaps our own politics here in the western hemisphere. >> good morning from los angeles this thursday, march 14th, 2013. this is "the daily rundown." now, here's chuck todd. >> thanks to brad stubbs out there in l.a. thanks for getting up early. you're going to vote in that mayoral runoff, brad? let us know who you're voting for if you do. send in your greetings. now, let's get to my first reads of the morning. today is arguably the most important day of outreach for the president. anything he can get done in the budget, immigration, anything, he'll get done by working with

senate republicans first. can he move enough of them to give speaker boehner cover to pass something that doesn't have the support of the majority of the boehner's majority? yesterday the president outlined his approach. >> over the last several weeks the press here in washington has been reporting about obama's charm offensive. the truth of the matter is all i've been doing is just calling up folks and trying to see if we can break through some of the gobbledygook of our politics here. >> if the president is going to wear down enough republicans to work with him, the charm offensive can't stop. day after house republicans rolled out their budget, they had an hour long, longer than that conversation with him face to face. it was a contentious meeting but it wasn't heated. >> is there a hint of white smoke here? >> you're straining the analogy.

>> you know what i mean. >> it was good. it was useful. >> the president leaves for the happy life of low expectations when it comes to interacting with house republicans. we were gracious. we were courteous. we were respectful. our members were very clear that we're not going to be pursuing this revenue trap. >> the very first question for the president came from oklahoma's james lankford after the obama agenda is for securing a house majority in 2014 in order to secure his legacy. lankford sounded skeptical of a compromise at a news conference later this afternoon. >> the president said if we'll do areas that we agree on, you'll have to do some of mine. i won't do them because you like them and i like them. if we find areas that we agree on, why can't we do those and in areas we disagree on we'll put that out in front of the

american people but let's move forward on things we do agree on. >> we heard two different perspectives after the meeting. one faction, one time of reaction was from house republicans closely aligned with the tea party. folks who said they thought the president sounded a good game, talented communicator as one called him, but was his willingness to act boldly going to match the speaking ability? these tea party republicans came away believing the president doesn't think there's a debt or spending problem. they didn't come away believing the president wanted to reform medicare and they came away believing the president thinks government spending is the key to economic growth and that president thinks spending is at historic lows. the gist from these folks, how is it that we're supposed to trust this president if he is so intent on wanting a democratic house? then we got another set of reactions and conversations that we had with some of these members. call it from the legislative wing of the house republican. as one of those members of this wing put it, the president was at his best when he was talking

about political realities. they thought he argued that if you truly were interested in an above all else in defeating republicans in 2014, why why he try to reach a deal on immigration reform? why push democrats on entitlements instead of beating up republicans saying they wanted to kill medicare or hostile to latinos. republican leaders issued a statement that sounded like one from a tense bilateral meeting between the u.s. and a country that isn't quite an ally but isn't quite an enemy. >> i thought we had a very frank and candid exchange of ideas and frankly i think it was productive. >> it was good that the president came. it's something that should have happened many times before. >> you know, again, if the president wants to let our unwillingness to raise taxes get in the way, then we're not going to be able to set differences aside and focus on what we agree on. and my take away was that.

>> frank and candid are always interesting diplomatic code words when year overseas. thiser boehner in today's "the washington post." for all of washington's focus on the president's outreach to republicans, it's his engagement with members of his own party n that will determine whether we succeed dealing with the challenges facing our economy. the fact is there are folks on both side of the aisle that talk a good game on the idea of reforming medicare or doing something about social security, nobody wants to own the plan. they want to agree to it reluctantly to a plan brought up by the other side because here's another fact. medicare and social security are universally popular and even in a republican primary getting caught messing around with social security without a reason is bad politics. so any time you hear this from either side, the other side

needs to lead, translation i'm not going to put out a plan on medicare or social security. you do it. maybe i'll agree to it. today is the second day of the organizing for action conference here in washington. when you hear what the president told political donors and activists last night, bear in mind he made those remarks after an hour of having his own motives questioned by house republicans repeatedly. from the outset, the president went out of his way to say his aims with ofa are not just political. >> people have been puzzled about what it is that we're trying to do because the usual idea is this must just be a mechanism to try to win the next election in 2014. and what we have tried to explain to people is that, no, i actually just want to govern at least for a couple of years. >> president obama's dinner address to about 75 supporters was more subdued than the

campaign style speeches he's given to supporters in the past. he addressed the blistering criticisms aimed at the group which has been accused of given special access to him in exchange for big donations. >> one of the things i'm proudest of during the course of two campaigns where we raised an awful lot of money is the people who got involved didn't ask me for stuff. except to be true to my vision and true to our agenda. >> the clash between what the president is trying to do this week with flurry of meetings on the hill and what the group is trying to do to push legislation from outside washington is especially obvious because of the timing. yesterday the president told ofa that after his campaign he still believes change happens from the outside. >> what we don't want to do is repeat the mistake that i believe in 2008 we made where some of that energy just kind of

dissipated and we were only playing an inside game and i'm sitting in a room with a bunch of folks negotiating all the time but those voices are no longer heard. >> one more thing, they are the same people that ran the president's 2012 campaign made this audacious claim that the group is not a partisan political organization. >> i want to say a word about what we aren't. we are not a partisan organization. >> there's been some confusion as john said earlier about what it is and what it isn't. organizing fraction is an issue advocacy group. not an electoral one. >> folks, they can jump up and down and claim this all they want and maybe for legal statuses this is what it is. the fact is that group is a group that taps the president's campaign e-mail list to solicit donations. what is the piece of republican initiated legislation they are trying to persuade members to

support? any way, finally one of the two big stories of 2013 is going to be how does the republican party rebrand itself and rebuild itself? the three day conservative political action conference begins today. events like this will go a long way to defining what the party is going forward. this turned into a bigger republican party cattle call than some would like. you have some of the caricatures of the right on display, donald trump and sarah palin and then you have some of the people the party may actually determine its future. senators like rand paul and marco rubio who both speak today. we know there will be red meat. some of it very raw. how raw will it be? anything that happens here that hurts the party as a whole? will republicans spend the next three days licking their wounds or any serious attempts to move forward and try to talk to people that aren't republicans? it's one thing for the party to experience an identity crisis in

2013 and 2014. it's another to experience that in 2015 and 2016. cpac delivers a semi surprise. a moment to remember. in 2009 it was rush limbaugh. that 90-minute speech jumping up and down blasting the media's criticism of republicans as racist during the election of barack obama saying it was the democratic party and not the republicans who were bigots. in 2011, it was donald trump who was jeered after mocking ron paul. he used that to flirt with his own presidential bid and last year it was this line from mitt romney that, well, stole the show. >> i thought against law and odds in a deep blue state but i was a severely conservative republican governor. >> romney will have his swan song at cpac also on saturday at 5:00 p.m. releasing the results of the straw poll.

no one wants to make too much of any straw poll. do note this. interesting trend. the last three gop presidential nominees either finished first or second at some point in their bids at cpac. romney finished first or second every single year in the cpac straw poll from 2007 to 2012. up next, pope francis begins his first full day at the vatican. we'll head live to rome where the first latin american pope and first jesuit is sending a strong message about change in the church. and karzai clash. the strained relationship with the afghan president and what it means as the u.s. tries to wind down america's longest war. first, a look ahead at today's politics planner. it is loaded with cpac and the president headed to the senate. and he also meets with house

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it's the first day on the job for the newly elected pope francis. it began with prayer. a fitting start for a leader recognized already for his simplicity and modesty. cardinal jorge bergoglio became the first noneuropean pope since the 8th century and first ever from latin america. he was born in buenos arias.

he was ordained as a priest in 1969 and he rose quickly through the ranks. even after becoming archbishop in 1998, francis still maintained a simple lifestyle riding the bus to work in argentina and visiting the slums of that capital. he took the papal name from st. francis of assisi. the inaugural mass is set for next tuesday. chris jansing is live at vatican city and george is our vatican analyst and also author of "evangelical catholicism." i want to start with you, chris. you had an interesting chat with cardinal timothy dolan about how cardinals are feeling today about their new leader. >> someone who obviously was talked a lot about, chuck, as possibly a pope candidate

himself. he seemed relieved to me. i don't know if was that the conclave was over or relieved that he wasn't pope. he said it was harder than he expected it would be. we knew going in for a lot of them it was a new experience. they had been appointed by pope benedict. a group of 67 of them and he among them. i asked him this morning without breaking secrecy of the conclave, which is punishable by excommunication, what it was like in there and here's what he told me. >> it was difficult for me to make up my mind at first. i mean it when i say -- i'm kind of hard boiled when it comes to spiritual life. you could sense the gentle breeze of the holy spirit and gradually you saw this man emerge and as watched him and listen to cardinals who know him well and as you saw just the acclimation of the college of cardinals moving in his direction, there was a great sense of resignation and peace in my mind. >> i also asked him, chuck, about a lot of the issues that

american catholics care about. things like celibacy and gay marriage and birth control and he said if those are things that american catholics experience this new pope to change, they're going to be disappointed. however, he emphasized what a lot of people have which is his long record of fighting for the poor. >> george, you always identified bergoglio as somebody who was well thought of inside the college. you seem to believe at a time or you thought others believed that maybe his time had passed and that maybe he was going to be too old to be considered. what do you think changed the mind of some of those cardinals in there? >> i think a couple of things happened over this past weekend. first of all, a conviction that this ought not be an italian pope really solidified across the college of cardinals. that's not a question of ethnic or national prejudice. it's simply a judgment that the

machinery that's broken in the vatican is largely broken because of an italian culture here and it would take someone from outside to break that up. there was a solid latin american block of support for cardinal bergoglio based on high esteem in which he's held in his native part of the world and in part on determination of these men to assert themselves in a situation in which they often feel ignored. over half of the world's catholics in latin america and as you showed us the other day on one of your maps, there's more than a little underrepresentation in the college of cardinals here. >> george, what do you think this is going to mean -- what will make his papacy different from pope benedict and what will he borrow from john paul ii and what will we try to change from

john paul ii. >> this is a john paul ii guy. he was teaching chemistry in northern argentina at a high school where he had been exiled by some of his jesuit brethren when he was rescued by pope john paul ii. this is a guy very much on the same page with john paul ii. i think he'll be a bit more simple in self-presentation than his predecessor. but with pope francis, the church has really completed this turn away from institutional maintenance katri maintenance catholicism and into the 21st century. he was an influential character getting them back in. that will continue on a global basis. >> chris jansing, what's the rest of the next few days going

to be like for pope francis? there will be this meeting at some point with the pope emeritus. >> they've already talked on the phone we're told. in fact, the vatican just had a briefing. we also heard and you saw pictures when he was at st. mary major this morning. he startled some of the local school kids who were on their way to class. you can imagine that. he is also going to do something that's traditional. he'll have an audience for members of the media particularly those based here in rome. i think the big event before the mass where he's officially elevated although he became pope the minute he said yes to that question in the sistine chapel yesterday, the big event will be sunday out in st. peter's square. the traditional audience. he'll come to the window of the papal apartments and he'll bless the crowd and say a few words and it will be the first chance for a lot of people who didn't happen to be in rome yesterday and couldn't come down to the square after he became pope to have a chance to see and hear him. >> all of this will happen just a few weeks before holy week.

chris jansing, we'll see you in 40 minutes. george, you have been a true and great partner and adviser on all this. thank you very much. >> thank you, chuck. back here at home, president obama's charm offensive continues today with senate republicans. by the way, he does meet with house democrats today too. first, we'll talk to north dakota senator about what he wants to ask the president today and if he sees an opening for some sort of common ground in the budget battle. first, today's trivia question. in the 2000 race for north dakota governor, senator hoeven defeated then-attorney general heidi heitkamp. how many other states have senators serving together who have faced off in elections before? the answer and more is coming up on "the daily rundown."

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>> republicans want to balance the budget. the president doesn't. the republicans want to solve our long-term debt problem, the president doesn't. having said that, today was a good start. >> president obama got mixed reactions as i've been reporting on his meeting with house republicans. in just a couple hours, he'll try to continue this new charm offensive meeting with the entire senate republican conference. his fourth and final meeting this week on capitol hill. joining me now is north dakota republican senator john hoeven who will be in that meeting with him. senator hoeven, good morning to you, sir. >> good morning, chuck. >> what is it -- let me ask basics. what's the first question on your mind for the president? >> i think the real focus is going to be how do we get a big deal to address the debt and the deficit? i think he's going to get asked the question what's he talking about when he says we don't need

to balance the budget. we'll need to do both. we'll talk about that. real focus is on how do we address debt and deficit and get this economy growing and get people back to work. >> one of the things that came through in the house republican meeting was this issue of clearly a lot more distrust in that room between some of the house republicans and the president and that in many ways they were just trying to be nice to each other and that was a step. there have always seemed more potential of a working relationship between the president and senate republicans. is that a fair way of assessing the situation? >> it's my belief and the belief of other republicans in the senate that the president needs to stay engaged in congress as we work on these issues. as long as he stays working with us, a better chance to solve problems we face versus him going around the country saying it's congress' fault. congress needs to do something. he needs to work with us to come

to solutions for the american people. >> do you think the politics is such that there is a grand bargain that is entitlement reforms and revenues out of tax reform, it's not clear something like that can get through the house. is that something that could get a good chunk of senate republicans to support depending on the size of the reforms on either side? >> i believe we can get to a grand bargain as you term it. that means pro growth tax reform and economic growth not higher taxes combined with entitlement reform which protects social security and medicare for long-term. there's a grand bargain we can put together. he needs to work with us and continue to work with us until we get there. >> revenue from tax reform for bringing down rates. you don't believe revenue from

tax reform should be part of a deficit reduction package? >> correct. you already have 600 billion in higher taxes which the president got earlier this year as part of the fiscal cliff deal. when you talk about entitlement reform, one of the things that's clearly on the table is means testing medicare for upper income individuals. so that revenue piece in terms of affluent people paying more, that's there are there. we've got to get to reforms that get the economy growing and that is where pro-growth helps and then you get revenue to address the deficit. >> is there any deal that includes -- if the president is saying i'm willing to do this and buck my party on social security and a couple things on medicare but i got to have revenue from tax reform that goes to deficit reduction, you know, is that at least something you would consider or is that

totally off the table for you? >> the revenue should come from growth. that's where you really get it. >> i understand that. >> he got a tax increase already. so we've got to look at these other things. he's got to show a willingness to go there and again if you look at means testing medicare, you do have upper number people paying more. these are things he has to look at in terms of getting to at that grand bargain. >> all right. senator john hoeven who will be in that meeting today with president obama. we'll watch and want to check back in and find out your reaction from how with went. thanks for coming on this morning. up next, a deep dive into the rocky relationship with afghanistan as president hamid karzai wraps up verbal attacks in the u.s. is this a case better the devil you know better than the devil you don't know or just a devil we have to stop knowing? you're watching "the daily rundown" only on msnbc. all right that's a fifth-floor problem...

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today a deep dive on the man at the forefront of america's decade long effort to get an afghan government. hamid karzai has been the best of bad option which is it comes to running the country. the u.s. helped support his rise to power after the taliban fell first as leader of transitional group and then as interim president and newly elected president in 2004. the u.s. has spent billions to support him and his government even though karzai earned his nickname as the mayor of kabul. his influence barely penetrating the warlord run provinces outside of the capital. the u.s. was stunned when he accused the u.s. of conspireing with the taliban for instability. the remarks may put western troops at greater risk.

>> these comments are outrageous. they are completely inaccurate and absurd. if i was a u.s. service member in kabul, i would be offended. for all of karzai's weaknesses, he's a good afghan politician and he uses the u.s. as a foil from time to time. it's infuriating. >> karzai's political career was nearly cut short in 2009 when his bid for a second term was marred by ballot stuffing and fraud. karzai won re-election but accused of corruption. the u.s. continued to support his efforts doubling war spending from 59 billion in 2009 to 118 billion in 2011. >> we once again have a voice as the people of afghanistan and this would have not been possible without the sacrifices and the resources of the united states and our other allies of putin. >> karzai himself blocked

unsurgent operati enn enn ennt wouldn't be seen as a foreign stooge. in 2011 karzai accused of u.s. of staying in afghanistan for "their own purposes and their own goals." he didn't say what those were. last october he criticized the u.s. for not adequately supporting afghan forces and two weeks after that he says the real source of afghan instability isn't the taliban, it's the united states. >> part of the insecurities coming to us from the structures that nato and america created in afghanistan. the private security firms. the contractors that they promoted at the cost of afghan people. and the way they behaved with the afghan people and anger that has cause afghan people and that

resulted in insecurity. >> comments like that led to growing frustration inside this country. he wrote this week i'm sick and tired of karzai's baloney, his family's corruption, the corruption of the afghan political and political and economic elite, the waste the thievery have proven to be far better an exploiting their fellows. we put together this segment to get you in here to explain further your comments make me think that you believe that's it. united states ought to just say, you know what, wash our hands. walk away. >> first off, i'm glad you're doing this because the media, congress, white house, secretary hagel, they paid almost no

attention to it for a couple of days. what karzai said was dangerous and it was harmful. look at the alert that our chief military commander in afghanistan put our troops on. because karzai is in effect telling the afghan people that america is cjoining because the want to stay in afghanistan indefinitely. to have him say that unanswered by our government is an outrage. >> why is it unanswered? we sit there and i hear behind the scenes i'm told we know karzai has to do what karzai has to do. >> mr. todd, you know my profession. they downplay everything. this is not important. forget about it. ignore these comments or let's go to war.

if you go ask our troops in afghanistan what this means, they'll tell you how they feel about it. if you go ask experienced diplomats, they'll say these kind of remarks unanswered send a message to tehran and to pyongyang because they say americans won't stand up for their own interests and their own rights and their own soldiers. you can't let this go by. >> so when you say this, who should do the answering? you think president obama? you believe -- you think there should be an emergency meeting of allies and message be sent and president obama ought to send the message? >> yes. i think a couple of things need to be done and need to be done urge urgently. what karzai said and consequences of it need to register in u.s. policy. first of all, we need to go to our allies that have been fighting alongside us and say,

look, the afghan people say they want to handle this on their own. they say we're delaying our departure. let's speed it up. let's not get out but speed it up. secondly, this is very critical, let's go to afghan's neighbors and get them far more involved than they are. the fact is they have greater interest in the future of afghanistan than we do. they're the ones who have to worry about the drugs, the refugee, the religious extremism as long as they think we're going to take care of their interests for them, they'll do nothing. >> so who are you saying here? pakistan and iran? >> pakistan, iran, russia, china, they all have interests. china has huge economic interests there. they own an enormous copper mine. let them begin to take care of their own interest. you remember at the beginning of

the afghan war that iran was helping us on their border with afghanistan. so they know they have interests. and they've talked to us since about doing so again. >> les gelb, i'll leave it there. a powerful piece of commentary that was written. i know that everybody in the west wing and in the national security wing of the white house read it. the question is will they react to it. coming up next, whether president obama's outreach will have any impact beyond this week. plus, chris christie is out and donald trump is in as conservatives convene outside of washington how will republicans rebuild their brand this way? first, can't leave you without telling you the white house soup of the day. it's loaded potato. don't forget to check out our website. we'll be right back. i'm the world's worst cleaning lady.

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here are the numbers for the president. four meetings on capitol hill over three days. two meals with republicans. and one speech at organizing for action. will any of it pay off? let's bring in our thursday gaggle. former democratic member of congress and also washington bureau chief of "usa today" and a republican ad maker. someone who calls delaware home. welcome all. let me ask you, congressman, i'm going to ask you as a former congressman, outreach efforts by presidents of the opposing party. you served in congress when there was a president of the united states as an opposing party. >> it can be effective. ronald reagan did it for final six years of his term. ronald reagan.

it was the way it was supposed to be done. he was a charmer. some of it is political theater. some changes the dialogue on what may be in the news in the particular week. it is more effective than it is less effective because it makes people watch and wonder what the response from the other side is going to be. >> interesting in a different -- there's definitely different factions of house republicans. there was some that didn't matter what he said. they don't believe him. that trust deficit is so big it will never get bridged. others said, okay. please keep doing this. that's the question now. >> he has to prove that he means it. i don't think good relations with congress and with opposition party gets you a deal done. but having the kind of relationship that president obama now has with congress keeps from you getting anything done because there's not a level of trust that enables you to work not only on a grand bargain. maybe a grand bargain on the

budget, probably not. on immigration, which is probably doable this year but not if there is a corrosive relationship between the president and the hill. >> what struck me about from everything i reported on, the house republicans who asked him the questions who questioned his motives about 2014 and trying to take over the house were the ones that were the safest. that was what was amazing. the guys that seemed the most paranoid about his political motivations were the ones that had nothing to fear. >> look at the reality. the reality is a lot of us think that he's a bit of a duplicityic president. he says he wants to compromise with house republicans and goes across the street or uptown or whatever you want to call it and meets with a bunch of guys about to beat the crap out of republicans in congress he said he wanteded ed ted to compromi. that makes you nervous as a republican running for congress. >> this is the group organizing for america. >> i wasn't invited.

>> he gets asked all these questions. he was grilled more about politics than about the budget standing from everything i understand. and then four hours later you could hear in his voice. he knew he was trying to deal with everybody thinks i'm playing politics here. i swear i'm not. you look at it, it's hard not to see that. >> it's a slippery slope. organizing for america is a nonprofit so they qualify. they are legal in their standing. he can address them. it's a slippery slope because the whole world anticipates why they've been formed. if you just move too far the other side, you can do more damage to him and the organization and what they're trying to do. it's very -- i keep saying slippery slope. it's a tenuous position for the organization to be in. >> do you think it's a good idea? >> i think it's a good why the. i think the president probably should back off of it some and let it generate its own momentum. >> is organizing for action aimed at delivering victories in

2014 for democrats or passing things for barack obama? i think that barack obama's agenda is barack obama's. it's barack obama's legacy. it's getting things passed in the next two in the next would years. it's less about electing democrats in the house. >> what about the president's point? if he wanted to win in 2014, why would he compromise sm. >> i don't think that's sincere. when it comes to campaign politics, it's like a moth to a claim. >> if he is going to have a legacy, he has to compromise. can't be good for the country. >> we want to talk about c pac as the republicans rebuild. >> we asked besides john hope and heidi. how many other states have senators serving together who faced off in elections before? the answer was three other states. the states are maine, angus king beat susan collins for governor in 1994. republican nominee. independent. a democratic nominee.

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c pac kicked off about 25 minutes ago. what do you expect to get out of it? what do you think you will learn from c pac, mike? >> chuck, it's been around for 40 years. it's pretty successful.

somewhere ronald reagan is smiling. it's a place for folks to meet each other and bone up on the issues. it's a good meeting place for republicans and conservatives. >> the message sent -- donald trump is there, chris christie is not. >> that's the part that's hard to grapple with when you're looking as an observer. >> it's not the republican party. it's the conservative movant. >> tell us -- the decade, two decades, three decades ago, it was the weird right wing of the republican party. >> mainstream of the republican party even though chris christie is not a part of. >> do you sit there as a democrat and say great, more cpacs in. >> i'm taken aback. i didn't know chris christie was not -- he took money pour a storm. >> rand paul is now in the mainstream and the paul family more in the mainstream. >> and governor mcdonnell is

not. >> mott there either. >> i'm running out of time. shameless plugs. >> looks like the only college and university in the whole state of maryland going to the ncaa is good old morgan state university. >> how about that? >> they got to win one more game. >> one more game. my colleagues at usa today, covering the pope and doing a great job and said before the pope was named he could be take the name francis. >> how about that? >> for those of you who don't think the republican party doesn't have a lot of young leaders, look no further than virginia where there's a great campaign for governor. we'll take a look. thank you all. that's it for us. chris jansing & co. is next live from the vatican. >> see you tomorrow o. . you can't believe you lost. when what you just bought, just broke. or when you have a little trouble a long way from home... as an american express cardmember

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