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instead of the papal limo to dinner where the cardinals, god forgive you for what you have done. which is well-known humility coming out as his life begins. he reportedly startled schoolchildren on their way to class. later on, he'll say a private mass inside the sistine chapel with the cardinals who elected him. the new leader of a billion catholics is a pope of firsts. the first francis, the first pope of latin america. one of the first world leaders to wish him well was president obama. he called the pope a champion of the poor and the most vulnerable among us. "just as i appreciated our work with pope benedict xvi, i look forward to working with his holiness to advance peace, security and knit dignity for our fellow human beings". americans are excited at the

possibility that new leader can mean a new start for a church that many believe has lost its touch. >> i think we need some life. i think we need some energy and cred bltd. and so that's what i'm hoping for. >> it's wonderful that we finally have a pope that can represent a large piece of community. latinos and a lot of people who need the support. >> he has so many issues to take care of. just so many. and i'm going to pray a lot for him. >> for progressive american catholics, he's not likely to deliver the changes they hoped for. it's something i asked new york cardinal timothy dolan about just a short time ago. >> the issues that americans talk about most. >> sure. >> things like gay marriage and lbgt rights and celibacy for priests and contraception, they're expressing disappointment because they feel he won't move the church in what they see as a forward direction.

what would you say to those americans and catholics? >> if people who are disappointed, they probably have -- it's probably an accurate sentiment. he's not going to change anything on that. but you listen to what the people are asking for as well. they're asking for a sense of hope. they're asking for trust. they're asking to be uplifted. >> i'm joined by hose diaz the anchor of telemundtelemundo. >> father john -- and elizabeth, at duquesne university's campus. on a windy morning. good morning to all of you. what are the immediate challenges do you think, liz, for the new pope pran sfrancis? >> must be that shell shock of coming out on that balcony. he was right in front of him. the problems and issues are all

those flags, those faces turned towards him for hope. whether it's physical abuse, sexual abuse, fiscal problems, poverty. so much problems with religious liberty. people die because they're christians or catholics every day. the immense number of problems must be daunting. in that third comment from that wonderful woman beaming with that great face, that's the next step forward. she will pray for the pope as he will pray for us which is how he started his whole tenure as pope. >> you heard what i asked father dolan. cardinal dolan. the issues of american catholics are sometimes different than those in the rest of the world. but is he up to these challenges sm. >> that's a great question. one of the things that he showed in argentina as a bishop there. as a president of the bishop's conference there, he gained the confidence of fellow bishops. we can see in that he knows how to play as a member of a team. i believe he's going to form a

strong team, give the bishops in different countries support to help them address the issues that each country needs to face most urgently. that's going to be a big plus. he doesn't have do it all him search. he has a team. he has the bishops, the other cardinals. he's going to be able to bring them together as a cohesive team and we'll all benefit from that. that's my hope. >> 42% come from latin america of the world's catholics. a growing hispanic community in the united states that is catholic. what are their main concerns? >> their main concerns are that the pope is allowed to do what he has done in places like argentina, which is focus on the poor, on those that need help. they're many times forgotten. those in latin america who look at messages, saw last night in the pope's silence a message as well. his humility. the fact that it's not about him. it's about the bigger picture, about the people with the flags from all over the world that were celebrating last night. young and old alike.

they want him, hopefully, to be able do what he's done in argenti argentina, focus on the poor in a universal sense. >> to that point, let me play a little bit more of my conversation with cardinal dolan. >> we've heard about his humility, we saw it last night. we've heard about how he lived in an apartment and not in a grand palace, takes public transportation to work. what is something that we might not know about him that you think will be central to a successful papacy? >> you know about his tender love for the poor. this is a constant priority for him. that affected us. you can't sit in the sistine chapel underneath the most renowned setting in the whole world where jesus is saying, all of you good to the poor come o heaven. all of you who turn your back on the poor, go to hell, literally. to elect a man who radiated that sense of loving embrace of the poor, that was important. >> the issue of the income and equality, the inequality is --

he's a religious leader, not a political leader, right. >> he's done that in buenos aires. he's been rather outspoken both encouraging the government in some ways and speaking out against what he seems to be threats of democracy, care for the poor. i think we'll see that. as you know, that's become something that we expect from a pope. the world expects the pope to be prophetically on the side of such things as justice, peace, charity, human rights, human dignity, protection of life. he won't let us down. >> you know, jose, in addition to his work with the poor in buenos aires, he was known as an evangelizer, it was one of the things that was said going into the conclave, they were looking for somebody to go out there and there are a lot of challenges for the church around the world in places like the you state where i think only 40% of catholics say they go to church regularly. tell us what you know about his

abilities in that area. >> first and foremost, he's a jesuit. if you have lived or grown up in any country in latin america, the school you went to or your friends went to was organized by jesuits, a university system in many of these countries. >> people who don't know, it's an order of priests. >> absolutely. they've been proactive in reaching out to the poor and you can go to a university in latin america. a jesuit university even if you are the poorest of the poor. that's what people know in latin america and latinos in the united states about jesuits and they also know that this is a man who has stood up for his beliefs. if anybody in the united states thought that any of the 115 voting cardinals were going to come out in favor of gay marriage or lgbt issues, they were sorely mistaken. i don't know were they feel today as though oh, my gosh, we expected a different kind of a pope when had the 115 are pretty much cut from the same cloth.

>> that is the question that a lot of people on the west are asking, father. what do you say to them? >> i think that the key is, if we understand why he's been strong and kind of vocal politically in argentina but tender and loving with the poor also. were is that? how could you combine those two things? they don't usually go together. the reason is he's focused on jesus christ. that's the heart of the new ee advantagization. that was stressed over and over again. in order to ignite a new wave of ee advantage alization, we have to start in each one of our hearts. that's something that pope francis i has -- >> the catholic church, the modern catholic church is exclusive, not inclusive. >> it's really inclusive in the way that jesus was inclusive. in the sense that jesus opened his arms to everyone. but he loved them too much.

mott not to communicate the truth to them. when they say abortion is a horrible crime. that's opening arms with the truth. if we're going to help you with a difficult pregnancy as much as we can but we can't tell you abortion will be good for you. we believe that it's not. the truth has a healing power. one of the advantages of someone like pope francis i is he knows how to communicate those truth in a gentle way and reveal their beauty. sometimes we haven't done a good job of that. >> i have to also say that a lot of people who love in the united states cardinal dolan may not be always so in love with some of the things that he has to say. but he has such a winning personality. this hass elevated him, liz. he's come out as a serious contender. it elevates his stature perhaps. elevates his influence within the vatican. >> i have no doubt that this will elevate the influence of cardinal dolan in the vatican

and more importantly, i hate to say this, but i'm so glad we get to keep him in america. the idea of having this very powerful forceful media friendly bishop in a place where we're media friendly. the interesting thing that's been fascinating in the past 24 hours looking at francis, pope francis and cardinal dolan and that they're two people with a great sense of needing to communicate and evangelize. cardinal dolan, is a larger than life personality that appeals to us. i saw that still silent figure and that sense of embracing every single reality in that square and in a certain sense, i have a feeling that in in pope we'll have the opportunity of seeing a man whose actions, in the sense of his loving example, the examples we keep talking about, that's going to speak a great deal for him. >> not somebody who obviously wanted this position. by many reports, he came in second in the last conclave. he was reported to have looked

up at the last judgment and people read the look on his face to say please no. when he said to the cardinals at dinner, god forgive you for what you have done. >> since he's been a cardinal, he's almost systematically avoided traveling to rome to take part in curial things. he's wanted to stay in argentina with his people. he has this ability to connect with people. >> one of the last things he ever wanted was to be pope. she says, we asked her what message did you have for the world? she said please pray for him because he didn't want this job, really. >> on that note, jose, always great to see you, thank you for coming in. father. even with the wind, i'm not complaining. thank you all so much. in our next half hour, we'll talk to the man who is now writing pope francis' biography. back in the u.s., there's a lot

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president obama is talking about former vice president dick cheney and the growing criticism from both parties over the administration's controversial drone program. at a closed door meeting with democratic senators on tuesday, two senators told politico that the president tried to assure them that his administration has been more open to oversight than the bush administration's, saying "this is not dick cheney we're talking about here." the white house had no comment on the reference. next week, the senate judiciary committee will hold the first of two hearings one to address privacy can concerns, the other to talk about the targeted

killing program. i want to bring in congressman keith ellison, co-chair of the congressional progressive congress. >> thanks for having me on. >> i know you've raised your own concerns about this issue and in addition to talking about dick cheney, the president also told the senators he's not involved in drafting the justice department legal counsel memos that justify the use of lethal force against american terror suspects. what's your reaction to how the white house has handled this? >> i think that president obama is right when he says that he is far more open toover sight. he's been quoted as saying that he's a "legal architecture" around it and he has a -- >> to put a legal architecture around this drone program that guarantees transparency, due process and that we do not allow this to be some sort of a program where we have a kill list and that there's no

judicial oversight. i think it's time to get about the business. i wrote an op-ed on this issue well over a month ago in january. i'm not -- i'm glad that it's getting the attention it deserves. >> in another op-ed, former clinton chief of staff called on the president to release the documents that just fie the use of drones. he writes, i'm quoting here, "president obama is ignoring the system of checks and balances that has governed our country from the earliest days and in keeping this information from the american people, he's undermining the nation's ability to be a leader on the world's stage and is acting in opposition to democratic principles we hold most important. requesting "we should say the president allowed parts of the committee to see the memos. are you satisfied with that? is it enough? >> no it's not enough. i don't think the president has anything to fear. he's the one who said let's have a legal architecture. this is a chance for the united states to really lead the world.

look, this is technology, which means more people are going to get it. it's only going to proliferate. that's what technology does. what if we put some rules, some law around this that ensures due process, the rule of law and transparency. we should lead the way. the president should not allow himself to be coming up on the backside of this. he should be helping to lead this effort. you know, the reality is that there are legitimate uses of drones and there are some illegitimate uses of them. when people are not combatants, they should not be subject to target assassination. we should arrest people if they violated the law. we should only use this sort of technology in the circumstances to protect american lives to do so. but i think that the technology has outrun the rules. we've got to get a handle on this right away. i agree with poe did he say toe.

>> there's been disagreement even amongst the republican party. i'm sure you saw john mccain criticizing rand paul who filibusternd and said paul is foolish to be worried about drones being used on americans on u.s. soil. who is right on that one? >> i probably would disagree with rand paul on 99% of all things. i am very glad that he used the power of the filibuster to go to the house floor and dramatize this issue around drones. like i said, i wrote an op-ed about it. didn't get much attention. but his 13-hour filibuster really garnered a lot of attention and now we're talking about drones. so if it was a stunt, it was a good stunt. because now we got two senate committees, we had one house committee and we're starting to do the work that congress should do is to really address drones, lead the world and show them we're about due process, the rule of law and america doesn't do political assassination. that's what we should be doing and i think rand paul can take a

little credit pour for it. >> congressman before we let you go, i want to ask you about the budget battle. your conference released its own budget blueprint yesterday. it calls for raising taxes on everyone earning more than $250,000 a year. spends a trillion dollars on public works projects over ten years. >> right. >> you say it will create 7 million jobs by next year. it does not, however, balance the budget. that's something also that the president has talked about. won't this be dead on arrival in the republican house? where do you see this document fitting into the debate? >> first of all, let me say the ryan budget is dead on arrival. so our budget stands, i think, it's better than his does. at least we're doing what the american people want which is to put people back to work. chris, i'm looking for the day where we can evaluate a budget based on whether it puts americans back to work. we don't need to balance the budget in ten years. we need to make steady progress

toward reducing the ratio of gdp to deficit. that's what we need to do. what we really need to do and the crisis we actually have is a jobs crisis. we need to put our infrastructure in good repair, which we don't have now and we need public employees like teachers, firefighters, police officers and people who fix our roads to be back at work, which we've seen massive numbers of layoffs in that area. i mean, the real question is putting americans back to work. we need to do that. we can't be satisfied with 7.7% unemployment. we got to go down at least 5 to really start talking about full employment. that should be the priority, jobs. that's how i hope we evaluate a budget, whether putting americans back to work. >> congressman ellison, always good to see you. thanks so much. >> thanks, chris. this afternoon, president obama heads back to capitol hill trying to identify what he calls a common sense caucus to work together to try to sort out a budget. yesterday he met with house

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right now, some of the biggest names in the republican party are in maryland for three days of power talk and positioning at the conservatives' annual cpac conference. about an hour ago, former florida congressman allen west took the stage.

marco rubio is scheduled to speak. the republican party is still trying toe reinvent and reunite itself. critics say it may not happen at this conference. joining me live, gop strategist, former adviser to rick santorum and political strategist, angela ry, co-founder of impact d.c. good morning to both of you. >> good morning, chris. >> john, if you look at the lineup of speakers, you get insight as to where the party seems to be. sarah palin, donald trump will have more minutes on stage man rubio, rand paul, rick perry, mitt romney will be there. does it feel like the party is stuck? we have a lot of shades of i would say the past or a strong conserve tichl. >> you have to break them into groups. the sarah palin and the donald trump and mitt romney, they're the entertainers. they're the ones who are drawing

tickets for people to come for the entertainment value. then you have the marco rubio side, which says we're going to be the new generation. you have the rand paul side saying saying it's time for libertarianism and rick santorum side. it's time we fight for middle class families, instead of tax breaks for the rich. there will be something for everybody at cpar. >> you said sarah palin. but less than a third of the speakers are women and no voice for gay republicans at cpac. angela, is this a good thing for the democrats sf. >> i think it's a great thing for the democrats. if it's for entertainment value only, we'll watch for entertainment value. at some point, the republicans have got to say, we've got to stop entertaining and start talking about american values in a way that makes sense to not only the american public but what makes sense for the republican party. they cannot continue down the same path of talking about the same issues in the same way when the country continues to evolve

into change. they have to look at their core values, their core messaging and communicating it to a group of people at a demographic that continues to change. >> we mentioned at the top, this is a chance for power talk. a lot of republicans came together a couple months ago at a meet of the rnc and louisiana governor bobby jindal said that republicans have to stop being "the stupid party and get their message together." is this a place where that gets done? is this a place or a lot of different messages get thrown out and we see what sticks? what happens here? >> i think there's been sort of a message void at the republican party. we're always defending the wrong things. what we've got to get back to is that we understand that we're going to help, hard working families reach the american dream, that they no longer can under this democratic president, they've given up on it. they don't think we realize that their life, they think we just care with tax breaks for the wealthy. we have to fight for the small guy and the small women and have

them realize we're doing that. >> angela, a lot has been made of the fact that there were rising stars who didn't make the list, chris christie not there, bob mcdonnell not there. what does that say to you? >> it says to me that the conservative wing of the republican party is going to stay extremely conservative, focus a lot less on compromising and finding places to find common ground with the democrats and with the independents of this country and continue to push policies of the past. >> let me ask you finally, john, what comes out of something like this in the end? we did mention senator at the time cruise is going to be there. rand paul, marco rubio is going to speak. if you look at the list of possible contenders in 2016 and we already see some of them trying to position themselves, how important is this audience? >> well, i think this is really just a start. i think we'll find out who the real talent is there and who are

sort of the posers if you will. there will be a straw poll, which i think everybody expects rand paul to win because ron paul wrood to win it as well. a lot of their supporters show up. there will be a smaller field, moving forward with real contention in 2016 probably after this weekend. >> john braid bender, angela rye, good to see both of you. thanks. >> thanks. >> checking the news feed this morning, the democratic-led senate judiciary committee is expected to pass a bill today banning assault weapons. dianne feinstein admits she knows it will be tough to get it through the senate. it was a major part of the president obama's gun proep -- it all started yesterday when 64-year-old kurt myers opened fire at a barbershop in the town of mohawk and an

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well. usa today headline, new world pope faces new world. the boston herald, let us begin this journey. news day says, a huge shot of him waving. the headline, simile pope francis. he grace the new cover of "time" magazine also. i want to bring in robert moynahan, editor in chief of inside the vatican magazine. he's been selected as a biographer and probably have the first book out on the pope very soon and monsignor of the pontiff of the american college. thanks to both of you for coming in. there are a lot of stories coming out. one is when the cardinals came to pay respect, he did not sit on the throne. we know he's a simple man, he prefers to take the bus and cook his own meals. what else should we know about him? >> there's o two more things i found out this morning. the pope snuck out of the vatican this morning for his first visit. >> you can sneak out?

>> it wasn't entirely sneaking out. but there was very, very low key. he went to one of the most beautiful churches in rome, a very important church had, st. mary major shall largest and most important church in the world dedicated to mary. in that church is one. most important images of mary and the child jesus, madonna and child, which tradition holds was painted by st. luke. so it's believed may not be true. but it's believed to be one of the most ancient icons and it's considered the pro tech tres of the roman people. that's what it's called. he prayed in front of that icon this morning. >> very humble guy. >> very humble and this mary devotion is very important. >> the second thing he did, in that same church is a tomb of a very important pope, pope pious the vth.

he designed and wrote the mass that the more traditional like. he prayed to that tomb. we know that he's a very spiritual man, cooks his own meals, takes the bus. people are saying that he didn't have as much of a liturgical sensibility as pope benedict who was writing books, et cetera. this gesture, praying in front of this tomb reassures them. >> monsignor, you have an interesting perspective. you're with a lot of young americans who decided to study for the priesthood. there was a real problem with getting vocations, particularly around the time when the pedophile scandal broke. doing better, still need to do more. i wonder what you're hearing around the north american college and in rome and what you think he can bring to a very big need for priests in america. >> that's a great question. i know that everybody is excited about pope francis at the north

american college. as long as he is a pope of joy and as long as he keeps promoting the priesthood, i think we're going to be fine. we're packed actually at the north american college right now. it's a really good sign. your first question, i want to add something about that, too. this morning, i had breakfast with a cardinal and he was telling me, he's met this pope francis 20 times and he said when he drove with him, most people want to show you the monuments and other important buildings. he was showing this cardinal where the poor are in the city. >> of rome? >> everywhere. in rome and in argentina as well. >> amazing. >> he's a humble man. you see what you get. >> we know why pope benedict, emeritus now, decided to step down. he didn't have the vitality to do it. this is a man who is 76, four years older than the average age. i was talking to cardinal dolan

and i said it he up to it? here's what he told me. >> the average age of the cardinals is 72. >> uh-huh. >> you feel he's up to it? >> oh, i do feel he's up to it. by the way, you're right. i feel like a kid in the college of cardinals. it's the only place where they call me sonny. i'm 63 but one of the young are he's people in the room. he's up to it. his health is good. he's a vigorous man. his brother bishops in argentina see he's up to it. there's different kinds of energy, isn't there? there's a bouncy energy at 76 you wouldn't expect a man to have that. but there's an interior energy that the bible speaks about in the psalms. he's got that in abundance. >> in the way that they presented themselves to the world and you knew pope benedict. >> yes. >> very driven than pope john paul ii. what will we see in pope francis? >> i think what we have is a holy man who, remember, he's a jesuit, a society of jesus formed by ignatius of loyola who

celebrated his first mass in st. mary major 400 years ago. it was a wres tur also to the founder of the jesuits. they're the marine corps of the catholic church. they train for years, ten years, 12 years, 15 years. this is formation of their mind, of their outlook. first, this is the first jesuit ever as a pope. they chose a man who has a profound formation. he's going to bring that forward. but his love of the poor means that he really takes seriously the gospel message. blessed are the poor. he really is going to implement the attitudes. he's a coherent man. he doesn't fake it. he took the bus. i think, i was astonished that out of all the speculation of whom they might choose, they brought forward this man, francis. now, that's another thing. st. francis of assisi was called the little poor man. to choose the name pran sis reaches out to the franciscan spirituality and pope benedict

was a very simple man also. he didn't put on airs. he took off the tiara from the coat of arms. so the church is trying to down play a little bit the pomp and circumstance and come back to the people. that's what's happening here. >> were you as surprised as the rest of us monsignor? >> i was shocked. i was shocked about pope benedict retiring and pope francis became our pope. but really happy. as soon as he walked out on the stage, out on the balcony last night and just how humble he was, simple, his simple, very beautiful. >> monsignor, from the north american college, and robert moynahan. we'll be looking for your book when? >> i've got 13 days to go. >> thank you both for coming here. the tweet of the day from bbc. cardinal bergoglio wakes up his first day as pope francis, hard to imagine a more rapid or enormous change.

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before we get some final thoughts from here in rome, we have developing news on capitol hill. the senate judiciary committee passed senator dianne feinstein's bill banning assault weapons and large capacity magazines. that bill does face a tough hurdle, clearing the full senate. in the next few days, we'll see a lot of firsts for the new pope. the first time he meets with the press on saturday. sunday we'll see him wave from the window in the vatican apartments for the first time and tuesday, will be his installation mass. a huge event here. i'm joined now by father john bar tunic and elizabeth lev at duquesne university's italian campus. good to see both of you. >> i was joking with you. because we've been here since pope benedict decided to step down. i said before you go back to your real lives and i'm not bothering you to be on tv anymore, imagine waking up and yesterday you were this humble cardinal who lived in a small apartment and cooked your own

meals and today you're waking up as the leader of 1.2 billion catholics. can you fathom that, father sm? >> i can't imagine. the rest of rome is celebrating. we have about 120 residents in our seminary. we slept in a little bit and had a celebration of mass. >> what's sleeping in, like 6:00. >> an extra hour. like 6:00. had an extra lunch. we're celebrating with conversation. the rest of the city is celebrating. for francis i, if i were him, i would be on my knees a lot in these first days. that's the first thing he did. he went to visit a church and to pray and ask for heavenly grace to help him in his had you mission. >> when you say the weight of the world on your shoulders, it's almost unfathomable. our friend george weigel talked about this sort of thing, a tipping point in the church. we're moving in so many areas

that need attention. the pressure must be enormous. >> i always think when there's final thoughts and standing in front of st. peter's, and i think of st. peter. i think jesus told him what the job description was. you used to get up and do your own thing. now others will bind you and you will go where you do not want to go. peter's job ended crucified upside down in back of us. the job perks don't look very good. this incredibly prayerful, brave and courage us man who is taking a job that many times is thankless but approached it yesterday with serenity and offered hope to the world. what a great beginning. >> one of the great things about pope john paul ii was his ability to travel and reach people that way. are you hopeful we'll see that? >> i'm hopeful we will. i think that francis i has shown he connects with people and likes to connect with people. i don't think he likes many desk days. he's out there. something else that occurred to me, thinking about the name that

he chose, francis i. thehe assisi are overjoyed. a prophecy of -- it depicted a humble friar, st. fran is, picking up the church that was falling over. it was supposed to be a prophecy that he was going to renew the church. there were a lot of problems in that period of history 800 years ago. today we have a lot of problems but there's a lot of hope. i personally have hope and the hope for renewal. i'm hoping francis i can be a catalyst for that. >> father, liz lev, you've added so much to our coverage. i want to thank you for the long days and nights you have spent with me. thank you so much. also, i want to tell folks we have the full interview with cardinal dolan. we'll put it up at

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