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and she blank blanks, so i'm not going to go there. but maybe i might get me a blank. but he says he's not going after no blank blank. homey don't play that. okay. well, we don't play that either. not here. so, this letter is going to be rejected. >> let's go cat hunting. >> cat hunting? >> let's go. >> with reassurance from sergeant english that he will find a safe home for fluffy, t.c. agrees to help track her down. >> take her to california? >> i don't know if she's going to california or not. >> somebody needs to take her to california. >> she gone? she don't move. >> she's watching us right there. you see her? >> i see her peeping right now. she's smiling.
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she's peeping. she's going to get somewhere. she's gone. she ain't coming back. she's going to stay on that side where she's safe at. >> t.c., i believe she just told us where her kitten is. kitchen gate, two tower. >> stay away from my girl, man. >> get on out of there. she's leaving a false trail. that's what she's doing. >> leaving a false trail. it was worth looking. the search continues.
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due to mature subject matter, viewer discretion is advised. america's prisons, dangerous, often deadly. there are 2 million people doing time. every day is a battle to survive and to maintain order. >> down on your feet! down! >> located in the deep south, holman correctional facility, where most are serving life sentences. we spent months documenting life on the inside, where the prisoners have nothing but time and nothing to lose. this is "lockup: holman extended stay."
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right there. >> a lot of people around here, they do homosexual activity. it's cool for a lot of people. i'm not going to parts it in it. >> they want i'm going to continue to masturbating. it's a thing i got for women. you know what i'm saying? okay. i have to go through all this. it's difficult. i like women. i got to go through it. coming up next on "lockup extended stay," a soured relationship lands this women in macon prison. >> my ex-husband, my deceased husband. he was standing there. and later, terence moseley reaches the breaking point.
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open up k-14. >> inmates at the holman correctional facilities found violating the rules are brought in for a disciplinary hearing to determine their punishment. >> correctional officer michael kendrick for possession of contraband. circumstances and violation are as follows. you do have in your possession, two sets of knives. one red and one white. and one tube of lipstick. do you wish to plead guilty or not guilty? >> i plead guilty. >> sign that, right there. you know you're release from segregation has been in the seg review board, right? >> yes, sir. >> i'm going to recommend 30 days loss of visitation privileges.
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and glasses with him. >> what was the big infraction? nice and lipstick. >> the thing of the dice is, they go down and get the gambling. and then, they'll lose something they don't have to give back. the lipstick comes to the homosexual activity that goes on within the facility. we try to keep that down to as little as we can keep it down to. >> why? >> it causes want to fight over the homosexuals. most of the time, when you have an incident, it will be something to do with fighting over cards, dice, and they'll fight over a homosexual relationship. >> i have a complex about being called gay or homosexual. okay. i know that i was born a male. i know that. that, i do know. but i live as a woman. i see myself as a woman. i like to be respected and addressed as a woman.
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my ex-husband, my deceased husband, he was very overprotective. he just consisted to beating on me. beating me. beating me. i manipulated to get away from him. ran into the kitchen. you know, they had this knife set, the biggest hand thle that seen, i grabbed it. and i ran outside. and he was standing there. i just stabbed him. he fell. i stabbed him again. they grabbed me. they called the police. i still had the knife in my hand.
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they came. they retrieved the knife. and handcuffed me. been locked up ever since. >> once locked up, marcus was quick to develop prison romances and is currently on her third prison marriage. >> i see him as a man, a straight man. that's how i see it. you know? he's a man. he's my husband. i'm a woman. i'm his wife. let me wrap my hair down. we exchanged vows. you know? he opened his heart to me. i opened my heart to him. and we vowed to be best friends. for life. >> marcus' husband is new to prison relationships and has asked his identity not be revealed. >> i have a son that i feel
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wouldn't understand the situation right now. that's the only reason that my identity is hidden. i never thought in a million years i'd be in a relationship like this. in prison, it seemed like she's the woman, i'm the man. and we're in a relationship. she's gay. and that's it. now, on our side, i'm gay, she gay. i ain't never been -- i still haven't been -- i still haven't been able to accept that. >> i'm his first. i'm his first prison wife. and i can understand why he's a little shaky about it. you know what i'm saying? >> marcus is in ad seg for getting in fight with another inmate. while she's there, she's not able to communicate with her husband. >> the hardest thing about being in lockup is not being able to sit and talk to him. he's just -- he's my everything.
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he's my everything. >> if you'd wow say something to holly right now, what would you say to her. >> i would tell her i love her. and waiting on her. >> in order to get out of ad seg, marcus must be put on a release list. one of the people who can put her on this list is deputy warden patterson. >> let me out of this lockup to be with my best friend. >> what is it, marcus? >> i think the most restricted probation y'all had. >> june 14th you had 90 days. at that point, we can possibly consider you for population. if you don't have an enemy situation. >> you know i don't have an enemy situation.
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>> let me see your hand. >> the nails. >> yes, sir. >> i'll be so glad when they let me out of this lockup. and i'm going to give him the best life he can imagine. you want to be interviewed? >> coming up -- marcus pleads with the warden to be let out of ad seg. >> why should i turn you to prop? >> i learned my lesson. >> i ain't convinced right now. my insurance company told me not to talk to people like you. you always do what they tell you? no... try it, and see what your good driving can save you. you don't even have to switch. unless you're scared. i'm not scared, it's... you know we can still see you. no, you can't. pretty sure we can... try snapshot today -- no pressure.
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which means fewer opportunities to communicate with one another. so, they invent ingenious ways to communicate with their friends. allen clark has recently been transferred to holman and hasn't created relationships there. >> for 15 years, i didn't have anybody come see me or write me or anything like this. and then came [ bleep ]. she's a darling. you know? she's the love of my life. i miss her something terrible. you just wouldn't believe. you know? i really miss her. last year, in september, i became real sick. and i had been sick all that day. when i got to the infirmary,
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they took my blood pressure and found that it was real, real low. and they rushed me to the emergency room. but i met a nurse there. and when she walked into the room and we made eye contact, i knew, you know, that she was going to be my girl. you know? when we started seeing each other, i said, i've got life without parole. i may not ever get out. and she told me, she says, you let me worry about that. finally, you know, one day on a visit in the yard up here, when she come to see me, i got down on my knee. and i asked her, will you marry me? and she says yes. i said, okay. i'll put in a request for a marriage. and so, i did. as it stands right now, at last count, the chaplain said i was
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ninth in line. >> until his wedding day, alan must rely on letters to communicate with his fiancee. but before he opens his mail, it must undergo a meticulous screening process. >> good morning. mail room. if it doesn't have dorm numbers, ais numbers, they can't have it. if it doesn't have a name on the return address, they can't have it. if it doesn't have a return address at all, they can't have it. they're not allowed to have any kind of nude pictures, pictures that are sexually explicit. that's not allowed. when i was going through the mail, i was looking at the envelope. and i noticed it was like a big sticker. so, you know, i've never seen one of those. that looks kind of weird. i took the letter opener and peeled it up. when i did, nude picture. i was like, okay. well, that's rejected.
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at first, i was, like, okay. the nudity pictures. now, it really don't bother me. i'm used to it. it's just like a normal routine. i look at it. reject it. we did have one woman for three weeks in a row, she purposely hid her nude pictures behind cards. she would, like, open them up on the inside and try to glue them back down. she pasted them behind other pictures of, like, her children. that's a great one. i love that one. so, she kept doing that. i mean, it was every day, i was opening them. i took it to the warden. and he banned her from corresponding for 90 days. and she has to write for permission to write him. when it goes to that extreme measure, that's when they pretty much learn, i can't do this. i can't get it by. so, they leave it alone.
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and they don't too much do it anymore. >> a-5 to 801, we're in the comp room on arrival. >> meanwhile, marcus thomas has been writing warden culver. and she's granted him a meeting. she hopes to be returned to general population and reunited with her husband. >> he's maintaining. i mean, it's hard for him. he wants me out there with him so bad. just as bad as i need to be out there with him. we've been writing each other, back and forth. but i mean, really, we just haven't had enough communication with each other. so, i really don't know. i'm not there with him. i don't know. >> marcus. what's up with you? >> they want to do an interview
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with me. >> you want to be interviewed? >> yes. >> what question did they ask you? >> have i seen [ bleep ]. >> that caused you to cry? >> they asked me. >> they asked if you see [ bleep ]? that hurt you? >> [ bleep ]. >> marcus. marcus. you aren't going to win an academy award with that [ bleep ]. quit crying. i don't want to hear you crying. or i'm just going to go on back. they want me to talk to you about being released to general pop. i'm not going to hear you crying about some other damn man. >> i'm sorry. i'm sorry. >> last time you were in population, how long did you stay? about three or four months. and both of them times when you were in population, you called
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yourself one individual. yes or no? even though you call yourself one individual, do you have people that are coming after you all of the time? yes or no? just yes or no. yes or no? >> well, yes. >> whether you say your problems or not, i cannot stop these guys from coming after you. and you know that regardless, somebody's going to make a play for you. so, why should i turn you out to pop? >> please. >> tell me why. >> give me a chance. >> i don't want you to beg me. >> i'm not begging. i'm asking. >> tell me one good reason i should turn you out to pop. >> i need a change. i'm not coming back to lockup. i promise i'm not coming back. please. just let me show you. >> i'll think about it. i ain't convinced right now, though. and the reason i'm not convinced, is in the past, your past tells me that if you go to
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joint population, you got about 60 or 90 days and there will be problems. that's what history tells me. >> i'll bet you you're wrong this time. i'll bet you're wrong. >> we'll see. >> it's just unfair. unfair. coming up -- terence moseley gets written up again. but this time, it's not for indecent exposure. >> listen here. >> and alan clark's fiancee may be getting cold feet. >> i asked her if she was going to be getting married. would you like to hear how the conversation went? ortable sleep number experience. a collection of innovations designed
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i'm betty nguyen. a modest pullback for the dow, ending its winning streak, down 25 points. a report from the university of michigan says consumer sentiment fell in early march to its lowest level since december 2011. and consumer prices rose by the most in four years due to a surge in gas prices. excludeing food and energy, prices were up just 0.2% last month, showing inflation remains time. back to "lockup." due to mature subject matter, viewer discretion is advised. i probably got about 100 hours in the tattoos. i got a good side and a bad side. got jesus on this side with angels and stuff. and then, i got the devil on this side. freddy krueger, medusa, stuff
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like that. that's tony montana from "scarface." i have two .45s and a holster. and i have vini vidi vici. i want to get my chest covered. when i get out, i'll work on the rest of it. >> after six weeks of shootingal holman correctional facility, our crew went to check up on terence moseley, an inmate who has repeatedly exposed himself to officers. we weren't prepared for what happened next. >> i told you -- >> you wanted to stay something. >> i wanted you to -- look here [ bleep ]. >> all right. let's go. >> the reason he did this is because on a particular day,
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sergeant banks and myself were walking p.o. call. and he was masturbating. and i had to use force with my baton. i hit his arm. and i broke his arm. so, he told me then he was going to get me. so, on this particular day, we were feeding inmate terence moseley. and he threw a tray in my face. i guess the day he got me. >> what started as an obsession with sergeant banks has turned into a grudge match between terence moseley and officer montgomery. >> he's been a problem with all -- he got into it with two officers on third shift. same way he did with you today. i know you had a problem with him before. >> yes, sir. >> i don't know what the solution is for that individual. if we can find any way to get him to start complying with the rules and quit being such a troublemaker. disciplinary action doesn't seem to have any effect. that's the only tool we got.
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we can just roll the door and whip him. we don't do that stuff anymore. we have to find other ways to get him in compliance. >> keep writing him up. >> and hope eventually he'll come around and do different. i really don't see the hope for it right now. >> while officers hope to change terence moseley's behavior for the best, another inmate's future may have taken a turn for the worse. >> alan clark's in lockup. he's an inmate we're going to go see. and he didn't know whether his fiancee was going to marry him or not. he was under the impression that they were okay. but apparently, she hadn't returned any letters when he had written her. apparently there was something wrong. and he had me call her and find out if they still wanted to get married. alan? have you got a second? you know what this is about? have you had an opportunity to
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talk to [ bleep ]? >> no, i haven't. i haven't even heard from her. >> remember, you told me to give her a call concerning you guys getting married. and all that stuff. i had called. and when talking to her, she sounded pretty upset. >> uh-oh. >> and i had asked her if she was still interested in getting married. she said, married? and i said, yeah. alan's been wanting to get married far while. i want to see if you guys want to get married. and she said in emphatic terms, absolutely not. so, i don't know how all that sits. apparently she's upset. did you know that she didn't want to get married? or -- >> yes. she's the one that asked me. you know what i'm saying? she told me to go ahead and put in the application for the marriage. and that's the reason why i come to you and asked you, you know, about going about getting married. >> what do you think changed her
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mind? >> i have no idea. she's noticeably upset. yeah. yeah. probably need to straighten that up, whatever miscommunication might be taking place. >> yeah. definitely. good night. >> okay. see you later. >> apparently, she's mad at me for some reason. i don't know. i don't know why she's mad at me. this is news to me. you know? she's the one that asked me to get the ball rolling on getting the marriage going, you know? and i don't know what's happened. coming up, terence moseley's problems forces the warden to take matters into his own hands. >> we came to an agreement, if you keep your nose clean, then i cut you loose. but you couldn't do that.
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for him as it is for me. sometimes, i just wish it could be me with the one that i love. just me and him, away. away from all of this nonsense. you know? just praying that he remains strong until i get there. >> while marcus thomas struggles with life in ad-seg, her husband is struggling with whether this will succeed as a long-term relationship. >> i'm having a lot of mixed feelings. five, six months from now, who knows? we may be in different prisons. and marriages -- see she always have to have a man supporting her. and you know, that messes with me mentally, to know that if we separated, she'll have to be with another man. we've been in a relationship two years, couple of months. but i really can't say, you
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know, like i said. anytime, we could be going separate ways. >> alan clark is being moved to another cell in ad-seg. it's been nearly two weeks since the chaplain told him that his fiancee seems to have moved on. >> not as yet. i wrote her two letters. i asked her in the letter, you know, if she would write me and let me know what is really going on. you know? if she wants to call it off, then, you know, that's fine. you know? but tell me, you know? don't -- you know, let me know something. i don't really know what's going on. >> maintaining relationships can be difficult. but just getting into them can prove to be dangerous.
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inmate marion dent has been sent to the hospital for hitting on the wrong man. >> i had in my mind, i would never go back to the streets no more. i might as well get me a friend. then, i started messing with homosexuals and things because they were taking place of a female. marion's attempts of making contact with prospective partner haven't always gone as planned. >> i wanted to talk to him about that. the man took one blow and knocked me out. and then, i -- an incident down there in one cell. i got stabbed up down there. oh, yeah. another inmate hit me in the head with a lock.
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when the fella hit me in the head with a lock and i got stabbed in one cell, good lord woke me up and told me, hey. don't you think that's enough? give the lord just one minute, if you don't give him one second of your time, you don't know what you might be missing. give the lord some time. so, i'm going to start going to church. and i started to get into christians, or god study, stuff like that. i started to kind of like it. ♪ >> with marion becoming more and more involved in the church, he decided it was time to make a real commitment to the lord and get baptized. ♪ >> marion, if you would, just stand up here. and stand in here, watch your step. turn around. and then, you're going to step with your feet down there and
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then sit. ♪ all right, now, brother, based on your confession that jesus christ is lord and that you believe in your heard that god raised jesus from the dead, i'm going to baptize you in the name of the father, the son, and the holy spirit. amen. [ applause ] ♪ >> i'm a christian. and i live for the lord. i gave my life to the lord. i gave my life to the lord. ♪ >> while marion dent has found the right path for him --
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>> k-51. >> others have problem finding direction. warden culliver has scheduled a meeting with terence moseley to confront him on his most recent incident. >> come on. what's your problem? >> i ain't got no problem. >> got to get your attention one way or another. i can't do nothing about them. the thought process. >> let me out of lockup. >> how can i get you out of lockup? >> you got me locked up. that's my problem. >> no, no, no, no. listen. you haven't proved th ed thad t. you want to go back to pop. the thing you want to deal with, came down, did your time. and let us figure that out. you seen that happen before. that's how we came to agreement, that if you keep your nose clean, then i cut you loose. but you couldn't do that. >> i slipped. >> okay.
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there's a consequence for slipping. >> there's a consequence for slipping. i know that. i'm taking responsibility for that i did. >> and i'm taking responsibility for what you did, too. this is what you have to do, though, terence. before we can talk about working out a deal that we had before you slipped, you have to do these 14 days. and you still know you're going to get disciplinaried for all that stuff. >> i know that. i ain't trying to manipulate the system. i'm trying to be straight up. if i do these 14 days, this is the only thing i'm asking for right now. if i do 14 days, can i get a five-minute phone call to my mother? just five minutes. >> if i can talk to her first. >> you can call her and talk to her, then i talk to her. >> deal. >> all right. >> all right. anything else? >> yeah. i'd like to apologize to her, right? >> okay. >> for yesterday. >> okay. do it. >> i apologize for the way i
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behaved yesterday. >> thank you. >> get ready. you have to wait and see. sometimes it works. sometimes it don't. coming up -- desperate to get out of ad-seg, marcus thomas becomes bold. >> the only way you're going to know who is telling the truth, me or you, is you have to let me out and let me show you.
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i got good news. they recommended my release this morning. warden came around this morning and recommended my release. i'm going to be on this elevator. >> after seven months of waiting in ad-seg, marcus thomas is going to have a discussion to get released to the general population. >> i feel myself getting closer to my husband. >> marcus is optimistic that her name is finally on the release list this time. >> if i put you on my list to get out of seg. is that what you're talking about? >> yes, sir. >> it's not on there. that's what we're going to do now is talk about why i don't have you on that list. when you first got here, they turned you out to the population.
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it wasn't long before it started being a lot of confusion between two or three different guys. then, all of a sudden, these guys wanted to go to fighting over marcus. i honestly believe there's going to be problems. >> there's not going to be problems. >> the last two times you were down there, there was problems. >> why they're so hard on me is i'm a homosexual. i've only been involved in minor disputes. >> it wasn't minor. >> no one ever got hurt. no one never got hurt. and i really need to get back to population. and i promise you, i am not coming back to this jail. i've gotten it together. i've got it all together. >> you can tell me you got it all together. but you can't tell me what [ bleep ] is going to do. >> yes, i can. i can tell you. i know him. i know him more than he know himself. he's not going to get into anything. the only way -- the only way he'll -- the only way you're going to know who is telling the truth, me or you, is you have to let me out and let me show you.
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>> that's true. i don't know if i want to take that chance because there's a lot of new guys in that hall. when you hit that hallway down there, there's going to be one of them, probably someone, that says, i've got to have him. i'm going to have him. i don't want somebody down there with knives fighting. >> and nobody's going -- that's not going to happen. it's never been that serious. >> you can't promise me that. >> yes, i can. >> i'll tell you what. i'll tell you what. i'll take all of this you said into consideration. but if i find out that you have caused problems down there or [ bleep ], get into it about somebody about you, i'll lock you back up. >> i accept that. i will accept that very restrictful base. >> i'll give the warden a call. and see if he will agree with it also. >> i appreciate that. >> all right. >> thank you, captain. >> you're welcome. >> i feel a lot better. i feel relieved. he's going to take it into consideration. he just didn't say no.
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he would have said no, i probably would have broke down. take me back. i don't want to talk anymore. i'm ready to get to my husband. well, back to my hot, little cell. >> please, open. you leave my house alone. >> while marcus thomas may find her tenacity could reward her, terence moseley is about to be rewarded for his good behavior the past two weeks. >> today, i'm going to call your mom. that was part of the thing. when was the last time you talked to your mom? >> back in about december. december last. >> really, i'm doing you a favor, huh? >> on one hand. >> warden culliver has been keeping terence's mother aware of his behavioral problems.
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he hopes she can talk some sense into him and trigger a permanent change. >> may i speak to miss moseley? >> hello? how are you doing? i've been trying to. i've been trying to, right? i got that problem. i still got that problem. it's a problem. she wants to talk to you. >> yes, ma'am? we appreciate it. we got a contract. i got a contract with him that if he can go until november the 15th without getting a disciplinary, we're going to try him in general population again. that's something that he's just got to work on. and i don't know. we may make a couple of months -- if he continues to do well, i'll let him call you again in a couple months. yes, ma'am. maybe we need to get him a bible and let him read the bible. yes, ma'am.
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thank you, ms. moseley. you all right? >> i need a transfer. >> you need a transfer? you'd rather have a transfer in november than to go to population? >> ain't going to make it, man. it's ain't going to make it six months. you know you ain't going to make it. >> i got a temper, man. i ain't going to make it. >> i think he's touched right now. i think five hours from now, this time tomorrow, i think he'll refer back to his mother. i think it kind of got him because he was shaking for us. and he realizes that she's not truly well. but i don't have a problem with him being transferred out. that's not going to happen. he's going to get turned over to another facility. he's closer to his mom here than he would at anyer
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