miami. >> when is duane coming back? >> we have five seconds. >> i learned that i get a full pass on easter duty. holy thursday coming and i had a jesuit. it was great. you know what's better than great? it's time for peter alexander. take it away, buddiy. >> thank you very much. with congress out of town, president obama keeping up the pressure on changing the country's gun laws, talking about gun violence and children on the same day that state police released new information about the sandy hook shooting tragedy. we will take you live to connecticut for the latest. after two days of tough questions and a few clues into their thinking, they wait to see what the supreme court will say about same-sex marriage.

we will break it down moments from now. boston's big shot off the sides to call it quits. after two decades in office, could mayor tom be one of the last larger than life to dominate city hall. >> welcome to sequoia national park. it's thursday, march 28th, 2013. here's the daily run do you. >> good stuff. i'm peter alexander minus the goatee. a thanks to twins paige and eric. that was sequoia national park in california. i grew up spending my summers out there. we will begin with the supreme court where justices seem skeptical that the 17-year-old defense of marriage act should survive. they call it discrimination in the most basic form.

justice elena kagan said congress itself was being discriminating when it passed the law. >> i'm going to quote from the house report here. congress decided to reflect an honor of collective moral judgments until and to express moral disapproval of homosexuality. is that what happened in 1996? >> you hear the gasps in the audience. the more liberal justices backed the idea that doma violated by withholding benefits from same-sex couples. >> the federal government then becomi becoming -- no social security benefits. your spouse is very sick, but you can't get leave. that set of attributes might ask what kind of marriage is this? >> the idea of skim milk

marriage going viral late yesterday. kennedy likely to kft a swing vote arguing that the act seemed to run counter to the federal government's tradition of deferring to state when is it comes to defining marriage. >> you are at real risk of running in conflict with what has been thought to be the essence of the state's power to regulate marriage, divorce, custody. >> a conservative side. roberts rejected the assertion that the court needed to protect homosexuals because no one else would. >> you don't doubt that the lobby supporting the enactment of same-sex marriage laws is politically powerful, do you? >> as far as i can tell, they are falling over themselves to endorse your size of the case.

>> the moment that struck people was this one. edie windsor, the plaintiff in this case explains why she fought so hard and so long for the right to marry. >> it's a magic word for anybody who doesn't understand why we want it and need it. it is magic. >> nbc's justice correspondent pete williams is taking a break and joininginous studio to break down what we witnessed over the last two days. what's the sense. we learn a decision to early this summer, but what will we be left with? >> at least five justices seem willing to strike down demma for different reasons. it seems like the four most liberal justices say it violates equal protection and there is discrimination and no sound basis for treating same-sex couples differently from traditional couples in the state where is they decided to let same-sex couples get married.

justice kennedy is more bothered by the federal. is this really something for congress to decide since congress deferred to the states to define marriage. you put 4 plus 1 together, five votes to strike down the defense of marriage act. >> some suggested that gay rights advocates can be a victim of their own political success and this should be among the states and voters as opposed to by the court. >> that are gets to a question that the court has to deal with. it's actually a legal question. should gay people be treated with additional -- when the government discriminates should the government have to prove why they are discriminating if they are politically powerful? that would seem to cut against that. i'm not sure they'll get to that and either of these two cases or

prop 8 will decide on more narrow grounds. prop 8, they don't seem willing to do much at all on gay rights. they are looking for a way if they decide the case to limit it just to california to allow marriage to resume because of the unusual circumstances through which marriage was stopped. >> when do we expect to hear more? >> i wouldn't count on much before the end of june. >> appreciate you joining us. our pleasure. moving on, president obama moving quickly on immigration and going so far as to put a time table on legislation and suggesting if lawmakers do not act, he will. >> i'm optimistic and if i said i see a break down in the process, i have my own legislation and i am prepared to step in. i don't think that will be necessary. i think there is a commitment among this grouch democratic and republican senators to get this done. >> that was the president's interview with telemundo.

laurie was conducting that interview. i saw you at the white house and now we are over satellite. appreciate you joining us. even though the president is staying out of this, he is not shy about explaining what he wants. was that your impression as well? >> very determined and very optimistic. congress can get something done. the president making it clear, for example, that a path to citizenship has to be included in any legislation and also saying that border security, he understands that people have concerns about that and does not believe it can be tied to dealing with the millions of undocumented persons who are here, saying if we start to do that, that would push back more and more dealing with the millions of people here without papers. >> we have a chance to watch your conversation and we heart

the president really put a specific time table on immigration reform. he almost didn't want to. here's what he did say. >> for we have a bill introduced at the beginning of next month as these senators indicate it will be, i'm confident we can get it done before the end of the summer. >> the end of the summer. is that realistic? >> a lot of the immigration acts have said that would be the ideal time to get this overwith. they fear if it goes past the summer and congress starts to look towards the election in 2014, some of those who are hesitant about this very controversial issue will just sit back and do nothing. is it realistic? who knows. he is confident and saying republicans and democrats seem to be working well. we haven't seen bills yet. they keep saying we will see this. when they come back from recess

in both houses. how long of a process will take who knows. i can tell you the people who are affected by this, that's the question they keep asking and we keep pressuring the president to give us a date. they are saying kuando? they know they will have to go through a process, but after winning so many years, that's the key question for everyone. when will there be a signed immigration bill go into law? >> reportedly they are speaking once again trying to overcome the differences there. i want to move on since you are one of the few people who had a chance to speak to the president directly about the supreme court hearing on doma. here's what mr. obama said to you yesterday. >> i think that not only is it right and fair, but also consistent with the constitution to recognize same-sex couples.

it doesn't mean that everybody has to agree from a religious stand point about the issue, but it does mean it is important for us to remember we are a nation which everybody is supposed to be equal before the law. >> lori, did you find the president to be optimistic from what he heart from inside the court? >> yes, optimistic and cautious and just determined to say that this is a nation where people's civil rights should be recognized and everyone should be treated equally. >> thanks for your time. appreciate you joining us. >> democrats are facing a challenge to face tough gun control and strong background checks, the centerpiece of a bill may be in jeopardy due to a threat of a republican filibuster as well as legislation. republican senator said he is crafting his own gun bill. that would likely omit the checks o long with bans on assault weapons and limits on

high capacity magazines. this is being framed as an emergency option of sorts for republicans in case harry reid gets the 60 votes needed to pass the democratic bill. gun control activists are trying to keep the pressure on. they are staging what they called a national day to demand action. later this morning, president obama will discuss what the white house calls common sense measures to protect children from guns. on a wednesday conference call, joe biden tried to rally the troops. >> we cannot remain silent. we cannot remain silent. and the courage that was demonstrated by those teachers, we don't expect the same amount of courage from our elected officials, but lord's sake, courage to stand up and take responsible action to end this senseless violence. >> nbc political editor here on

the first read, we have a bunch of things to get to. what is chuck's proposed bill due to change the equation? >> it makes things tougher for democrats. they have the universal background checks as they see as a centerpiece for reform and includes the measures that you would be able to get with democrats and republicans agreeing on by removing this potentially and can put a pressure on democrats. the name of the game is getting 60 votes for democrats for them to hold on and peel off a few republicans. that is how they can beat back the republican filibuster. you have democrats trying to negotiate a compromise with a handful of republicans. >> the latest to say he would support bill that exists and a lot of challenge in that. i top the move on to ashley judd. we thought this would be the most talked about and we have been talking about it as if it

was going to happen. finally yesterday we learned she is not going to be a part of it because of family reasons. what does this do to change our conversation as we think about mitch mcconnell and the desire? >> he would change the media. this gets a lot of attention because of the senate as a leader. i'm not sure it changes the dynamic. democrats are hoping to get secretary of state allison grimes into the race. it will be tough for a democrat whether it's ashley judd or grimes or anyone. mitt romney got 60% of the vote in a democratic year. this will be an off year. this will be tough. it's one thing for democrats to win a race in kentucky, but this is a senate race. >> it's difficult to face ashley judd. have real madness, but let's focus on the brackets.

>> this is the final first round matchups. jesse helms, the senator from north carolina facing off with ted stevens. the father of modern conservatism and howard baker, the senate leader in the 1970s and 80s going off against joe biden, someone who is currently vice president. he is in the contest and a lot of people didn't make it. >> 2014, we focus on march madness. we will ask to you go to first read.com. vote on the latest senate march madness matchup. coming up next, we will talk to two former members of congress from virginia about the fights over immigration and guns and also a new poll number on the old dominion's fight for the governor. moments ago, prosecutors finally

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>> not one person is writing this, but if we can get the bipartisan cooperation demonstrated by the negotiators in this group, i think we can be successful.

>> nobody will be totally happy with the legislation. no one will be because we are having to make compromises. that's what makes for good legislation. >> that was two members of the gang of and working on the reform from a few area where is congress could break the gridlock. it has been difficult and you wouldn't commit to a timeline for introducing the bill. republican tom davis and democrat and the president and ceo for the action fund. thanks for joining us. you have it left and right and we try to do it properly. john mccain said i can't girl an tee anything. there will be something coming back when they return on april

8th. tom, do you see the potential for progress on this? >> you get a senate bill in 06. you have a house bill. they were so far apart, they couldn't reconcile them. you will get a senate bill out and the house is working on a different thing. it's complicated, but political. >> for the most part, does congress have the ability to get it done? they are one of the programs, the guest worker program is fighting with the chamber over the future of that. the low wage for the immigrants. ultimately what you take away from politics is it's always easier to be a no vote than a yes vote. you can talk about a bill that you didn't like. if enough elected officials are willing to lead and say we are more interested in solving the problem and getting it dng right

than necessarily reaching agreement on every issue. a moral issue about the american dream. we will lead and get something done. >> i want to see what the president said with telemundo indicating the path to citizenship and border security that they can happen simultaneously. >> regardless of how much dnchl effort we put in, we don't want to make this earned path to citizenship in a situation where it put off further and further. there needs to be a certain path for how people can get legal in this country. even as we also work on the strong border security issue. >> with a lot of the argument being over, can they afford to appear in the course of the process?

>> they will give the positive rhetoric, but this is also about votes. it's about politics and you are talking about enabling a group to vote. i think you will get something out of the house. the question is can you reconcile these? we will let it die in conference and nobody gets blamed. >> you talk about the policy and where they intersect the guns. we know recently that joe donnelly, the red state democrat said he would support background checks. where you see this going, there has been a lot of criticism that the president hasn't been hands on on this issue and the white house pushing back saying we held 20 public events in rough low 1 h ly 100 days. that would include background checks. >> the president and the vice

president have been strong on this over the last few months. the vice president's set of recommend as were strong and also aware that ultimately the legislation has to come through the house and senate and seen senators in good faith sitting down to take the issues seriously. almost everyone agrees that we want to keep guns out of the hands of murderers and rapists and terrorists and without a universal back grund system there is no way to do that. you have seen strong supporters to the second amendment and strong relationships with the nra and the comfortable thing, we have to keep the guns out of the wrong hands. >> the harder the president pushes t makes it more difficult for the republicans to react. the president found the right tempo. he laid the ground work and has grass roots and they are very nervous to lose the dialogue. >> cash 22 on this.

i have to ask you about the governor's race. the lieutenant governor will not run. the numbers seem to show as you see on the screen, the margin of error race right now. they do not see him as too conservative according to that. what are we looking at? . >> the more people learn about it, the less people feel like where virginia is headed. when they see terry, they feel positive about it. the fact that someone who held the office is not starting out ahead gives an indication. >> is he in touch with what virginia voters want? >> we will find out. this race is not engaged yet and the fact that he is a hit or ahead, we go against the president's parties. >> it makes it easy for us.

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president said the 94-year-old is suffering for a recurring lung infection. the country's first black president spent three weeks in the hospital in december being treated for a similar illness. the u.s. is affirming commitment to defending south korea and announced bombers ran a practice bombing run over south korea thursday. this is the first time they publicly confirmed this kind of mission. it's part of an effort to deter any attack from the north. the boston mayor will announce later today he will not seek a 6th term. he held the seat for two decades, but has been hospitalized with a string of illnesses that may have led to his decision. he told the reporters it was the hardest of his life. john conley is the only major candidate to launch a campaign

for the seat. regardless of his decision, that had come up, but the candidate can begin a find for the nomination papers next month to get the name on the ballot for the election scheduled for this september. things are heating up in massachusetts as well to fill the senate seat. congressman ed marky and steven lynch participated in the first televised debate over a series of issues. among them abortion and health care. most found themselves defending their position on votes in congress. three republican candidates also squared off last night in a debate prior to the democratic candidate. it is now more than three months since adam lanza went on the rampage killing 20 children and seven adults before he turned the gun on himself. today in the last hour, investigators released details

from the police search that followed. joining me now is correspond ept michael who is doing his best to browse through the documents. can you give us a sense of what the most significant findings are? >> peter, there is a lot of material that we are still going through, but a couple of highlights so far. first a statement from the chief prosecutor who said there 154 bullets were recovered from the school that day, the day that adam lanza went there with the push master assault rifle. a total of 10 30-round high capacity magazines were recovered from the school that day. lanza used the high capacity magazines to shoot those young first graders and adults at the

school and 154 of the casings from the bushmaster were recovered. in the search warrant that we have been released, some redacted. they have the details about other material recovered from the lanza home including samurai swords and multiple boxes of ammunition and a national rifle association certificate in adam lanza's name. probably one of the most significant statements in the search warrant affidavit comes from fbi introduce. i will read you a portion because it does give a window into adam lanza's world. it said that agents of the fbi had interviewed i guess a number and redacted so we can assume it to be associates or people who

knew adam lanza as somebody who rarely leaves his home and considers him to be a shut in and an avid gamer who plays call of duty amongst other games. again, it's redacted, but hoe has a gun with at least four guns and goes on to say redacted we can assume that lanza had attended the school and the school was adam lanza's life. that may be somebody who ended with adam lanza, but described it as his life. there were a lost questions about what adam lanza's relationship was with the school. >> you notice and e-mailed us the books that were recovered. look at me, my with aspergers.

that is a question in terms of his mental state going into the shooting. nra guide to the basics of pistol shooting. another book found in the lanza family home. where do we go from here? what should happen next? >> this is not by any means the complete story or the findings of the investigation. in fact, prosecutors make clear twice in his statement that this is an active and ongoing criminal investigation and some material needs to be confidential and not releasing everything. the final report on the police findings into this case is not going to -- we are not going to see that until summer. there is a lot more to be learned about adam lanza and what was going on and his motivations were for the shooting. >> we appreciate your time. we know you have a lot of scouring to do. coming up, president obama preparing for a second dinner

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the president of american bridge and former spokesman to harry reid. political reporter for "the washington post," nice to see you. robert costa, washington, d.c. editor for the national review and a cnbc contributor. this is my debut doing the gaggle. i appreciate your help. i want to put up the numbers. here's the democratic senator who is have not endorsed smarmg. same-sex marriage. what is the hold up for senators of this sort waiting still? >> a lot have a personal view for religious reasons or whatever reason on this issue. that should be respected. there is political pressure from the left that the centrist division in the democratic party doesn't seem to be against same-sex marriage. you have to be for it. that's what the red state democrats are trying to acknowledge and reconcile their own politics with. >> we heard from rob portman

saying she in support of same-sex marriage, citing his son, a yale student who is gay and told his family that in 2011. why have we not heard from the republicans. it seems like an anomaly. >> it is an anomaly. if you look at the polls, they are 42% of american who is don't agree with same-sex marriage and a lot of those people are older and whiter and more evangelical and that looks like the republican party. democrats who haven't made the switch yet on supporting same-sex marriage are making the same sal clagzs and looking at the states. they will have to rely on those. it's not the obama coalition that is everywhere and every state. >> let's mention the poll numbers up on the screen. 81% of adults under 30 say they support same-sex marriage. that's today's voters and future voters on the topic.

here they are as the look at the 18 to 34. age 65 and older obviously there is still push back among the older community in america. about 39%. i want to ask you having worked for mark pryor on where he would stand on the issue. he doesn't support same-sex marriage right now, but take me inside senator pryor's mind on this issue. >> where we are nationally which is people are favoring same-sex marriage, but you have to look at this locally. politicians rarely get ahead of their constituents. you look at the places you are talking about. indiana and north dakota. i'm not sure if you pit it on a ballot referendum, that they would pass in any of the states. >> i was surprised that kate hagan came out. they just passed an initiative

saying no same-sex marriage. she will need a lot of donors in new york and for whom this is a real issue. they want to see a democrat get skin in the game. >> the democratic party, we will hear more from republicans in the months ahead? >> i sat down with the republican party chairman and h traditional marriage between a man and a woman, but with rob portman, they are not going to toss them out because they have a different tradition. it's a different view and the principals remain the same. >> i should ask you, do democrats enjoy that they are ahead on the issue? this is not a constituency that has been divided, but are they enjoying that they are out in front? >> a lot don't want to be on the wrong side of historiful the tide is turning and it may not thb year or next year, but we are getting there. >> stick around. we have to take a break.

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the renewed charm offensive, the president back at it, inviting some republicans to dinner a couple weeks from now, johnny isaacson from georgia is in charge of this. this is our lightning round. does this get anything done or is it all for our purpose? >> when i look at the republicans and the president, this is a couple that broke up a long time ago. this is like dinner with an ex. i don't expect much to happen. it's all politics, all for show. >> a, how many republicans are open to this conversation and think it adds any value? >> it seems like the ones who were at the first one, those might have been the ones who were open, some of those folks not open for election ever again. it's great theater. i hope i don't have to stand out there and cover it like last time. this has been one of the president's great flaws has been his inability to reach out and form relationships, not only with republicans but with democrats as well. >> let me pose it to you, what is the best the president actually gets out of this aside from the headline that says he's

reaching out, he tried his best? >> if he's going to want to get anything done, he needs 60 votes, which means he needs votes. i think this is a good thing. >> ashley judd, she said she is not running. mitch mcconnell, perhaps he should have been rooting for her to run. could have a more difficult challenger. >> you had people saying she would have been a horrible candidate. if that's the case, why did they chase her out so quickly? >> the super pac that was running ads was trying to bait her into running. >> should they have put the ads up? is that what pushed her out? >> i think the attempt was to stroke her ego and make her think she was a viable candidate. i don't think she ever was. the only people who are sad about this are reporters because we don't get to cover this race. >> mitch mcconnell spent $22 million in 2008. how much can we expect if he

faces allison grimes, secretary of state, half his age? >> by being -- playing hard ball against judd before she even jumped in the race, he's scaring off primary contenders. that's always part of mcconnell's strat jit. >> shameless plugs? >> getting uninsured americans the insurance they need. >> nash review reporting team, they're doing a great job. >> northwestern wildcats, never been to the tournament. chris collins from duke is our new head coach. >> if it's duke, i got to love it. that's going to do it for this edition of "the daily rundown." coming up next, chris jansing and company.

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good morning. i'm chris jansing. gun control advocates are hoping today will show lawmakers the power of their plight. they're holding a national day of action, calling on congress to pass new gun laws. events are planned in 15 states organized by mayors against illegal guns. that's new york city mayor bloomberg's group. >> you need to remember the 26 victims who lost their lives. >> she just wanted to teach little kids and that was her goal and she died doing it. wonderful. >> that was the last day i ever saw jesse alive. >> i want to prevent any other family from having to go through what we're going through. >> the families featured in the ad will be at the white house today. the president will talk about gun control live in our next hour. >> and this is all happening as there are new developments in