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>> the world is remembering british prime minister margaret thatcher, the iron lady. the 87-year-old legend died this morning from a stroke. with 11 years at ten downing street, she was one of britain's longest serving prime ministers and the first and only woman to hold that office. her controversial yet towering influence radiated from london, reaching around the world. she was a strong u.s. ally, teaming with president reagan to end the cold war. she advised the first president bush when saddam hussein invaded kuwait saying, look, george, this is no time to go wobbly. she went against her own advisers and sent 27,000 british troops to take back the falkland islands. back home, thatcher championed what became known as thatcherism when she sold big parts of the economy into privatization and

refocused on competition. she has been described as a workaholic who put in 18 hours days and relaxed over a glass of whiskey. it sounds nice. her life was chronicled in the film, "the iron lady." >> this is a day to put differences aside. to hold one's head high. and take pride in being british. >> we are covering this from both sides of the pond, as they say. nbc's scott cohen is in london and our favorite brit, martin bashir, is here with us. let's start with you. the 11-year tenure wasn't without controversy. how are they remembering her? >> they are remembering that controversy. even now some 23 years after she left office, margaret thatcher does evoke passions on both sides. here are some of the plans for what will happen. there will be a parliament called back into session on

wednesday to pay tribute to the former prime minister. and there will be a ceremonial funeral. that is one step short of a state funeral, reportedly at margaret thatcher's insistence. a proponent of government austerity until the end. the date for that is not yet set. this morning, shortly after the announcement, the flags in london were dropped to half-staff over buckingham palace. the houses of parliament and number 10 downing street where she was in residence as prime minister for more than 11 years. and at her current home in london, memorials began to pile up, flowers laid out in front of the home. as we said, she has evoked a lot of reaction across the political spectrum. >> today is a truly sad day for our country. we've lost a great prime minister, a great leader, a great briton. the real thing about margaret thatcher is that she did not just lead our country.

she saved our country. and i believe she will go down as the greatest british peace time prime minister. >> she will have her critics even today. i think they will think carefully about her ultimate legacy and what she did to unleash the enterprise, the spirit of the british people. and to enable them to rediscover what they had lost which was really the belief in britain of. >> the news that she's gone brought back a lot of memories to me of times when i've traveled with her, when i argued with her, when i stood beside her. here was a brave woman who had become prime minister by her own merits. who had her own strong views about how this country should go and did her best on the whole successfully to carry those views through.

>> reporter: even her detractors are expressing respect for her resolve in what she did. she took over as prime minister at a time this country was in an check crisis. what she did was she wrung inflation out of the economy by privatizing the industries, vastly cutting the size of the government. as i said at the outset, evoking passions on all sides. the daily telegraph today had to shut down comments to all the articles the editor tony gallagher tweeting. we've closed comments on every thatcher story. even our tributes filled with abuse. that is the kind of impact she has had. so many years after leaving office. she did change this country and people are still talking about it. back to you. >> thank you very much from london. now because some people can't get enough in one entire hour, martin bashir. >> this is the first time i've been on your show. you've been on our show. >> you are and welcome to be on our show whenever you want,

martin. >> i heard the m in msnbc stands for martin. >> today it does. i apologize. >> margaret's legacy in your mind is what? >> i think it divides between foreign and domestic policies. in foreign terms, she was an immense supporter and friend of this nation. she won the talklands war in '82. she allowed america to place missiles in british soil. in relations with the russians, she was key. she had a meeting with mikhail gorbachev and rang president reagan and said he is a man i can do business with. and during her tenure, the iron curtain came down. the berlin wall came down in '89. so in many senses, her work as a foreign policy activist was great. domestically, it is mixed. she came in at a time when the country was in a terrible state. economically and socially. things were not functioning. there were deceased bodies literally at crematoriums and at

cemeteries which had not been buried because the workers had decided to go on strike. many of the industries were on three-day weeks. she came in and was indefatiguable. she was informedable. she did great things in terms of facing down that lackadaisical attitude toward work that had somehow developed in britain. in other ways it was a very, very contentious experience. for example the worst race riots during in britain during her leadership and she was responsible for laws like stop and frisk, which would targeted against urban minorities in a most aggressive way. and those minorities then rose up and there were riots. it is worth remembering that she didn't leave government because she wanted to or because she was not elected. she left because she was thrown out by her own party. because there were riots over the poll tax that she introduced and the whole of the

conservative party said we cannot have this anymore. she was forced to leave. >> martin, prime minister david cameron as you heard in our intro said that she not only led the country but she saved it. for those of our viewers who might not know what he means, what exactly was he talking about? >> from his perspective, and of course it is worth remembering that he is the prime minister of the same political party that she was a member of, so he is bound to eulogize to some extent. what he was talking about was that when margaret thatcher was elected in 1979, the country was not functioning very effectively. and so she came in and by sheer will, she forced some changes. she led a particular approach to government which reduced the size of government. interestingly if you read the great ezra klein today, you will find when margaret thatcher left

government in 1990, inflation was no better, unemployment was no better, many of the essential aspects of a functioning economy had not been vastly improved. however she saved the country in the sense that david cameron means because of the difficulties that were during at that time. >> and partially you feel that what she did was i mbue a sort f spirit that in some parts of the poplaci was welcomed. and said say that was the spirit of greed and self-centeredness. gordon brown who eventually became prime minister wrote a book called where there is greed and how margaret thatcher damaged the future. she said in 1987, a political party conference, these her words. there is no such thing as society. there are individual men and women and their families. and sorry to bring this home but doesn't that sound like paul ryan? doesn't that sound like much of the conservative rhetoric that

you hear today which is about the individual being the person who should be ultimately responsible for everything. when she came to power i was 16. aid brother who had must santa clara dystrophy who was 19. in the first four years of her leadership, any support my family received went down because that was her executing her personal philosophy which was a much more self-determined independent self-sufficient way of living. that's something many people welcomed but many people who were not so fortunate did not welcome it. >> that critique you're talking about, there is an echo of that today. she talked about saying we want to strip down the government at home and then avoid having it basically replayed in a super state at the european level. >> the conservative party itself has been at war with itself over

the place of britain in europe. there will be a referendum next year on whether britain remains within the european union in that sense. so this is been a continuing problem. to some extent, the financial problems of the you'euro zone h programs in some people's opinion proved that she was right to keep britain independent and to retain sterling and the pound outside of the euro. >> and certainly she was a trail blazer in terms of powerful women. >> no doubt. >> what are feminists to make of her legacy? >> that's the other interesting thing. whatever she did in government, she was always going to be a pioneer because she was the first female prime minister. if you look at her cabinet, gillian is about to publish a book about working you said margaret thatcher. she herself says in the book, i've read some of it. that margaret thatcher never

facilitated female success or succession in government. she was not particularly helpful to women in that sense. certainly not in the way this president has been. so i think the fact of her becoming prime minister was her greatest work in terms of equality and opportunity. in term of policy there wasn't a great deal to see in those terms. >> i think you would make an schlep cyclist. >> i would love it. >> thank you for having me. >> thank you so much. you can catch more of martin if you like at 4:00 p.m. on the martin bashir show. it comes on right after the cycle. before we roll on, another disney musketeer '60s pop icon annette funicello has passed away after a 25-year battle with multiplesclerosis. she was an original member of the mickey mouse club, starring

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using the most powerful weapon at his disposal, the bully pulpit, president obama is about to depart from joint base andrews for connecticut to speak a few hours from now in a last ditch attempt to, it will be the second time the president has

visited connecticut since the shooting that took 26 lives in newtown. before the speech, he is meeting privately with the victim. some of whom spoke to 60 minutes last night about the lives lost, an action that they want taken. >> this is dylan. i think the picture sums him up perfectly. >> he was known as the kid that would talk to somebody sitting alone. >> it feels lying it just happened a moment ago. and yet, and yet it has been years since i've seen my son. >> they need to not just look us in the eyes but look our children and the lost ones and see those faces, see what is gone. >> i've heard the argument made, you can change these magazine clips in these rifles in a matter of two seconds. what difference does it make? >> there was one instance where it wasn't two seconds and it allowed 11 kids to get out of the classroom. >> it will happen again. it is going to happen again. and every time, you know, it is

somebody else's school. somebody else's town. it is somebody else's community. until one day, you wake up and it is not. >> newtown families will be in attendance at today's presidential remarks. some will fly back to washington with the air force to begin a week-long lobbying push on capitol hill. just last hour, harry reid took to the senate floor pushing for an open debate and admonishing more than a dozen gop congressmen who are threatening to filibuster. this comes as senators pat toomey and joe manchin work on an expand bill. it is a big week in the gun debate. joining us now, rob cox, co-founder of the sandy hook promise. he will be alongside the newtown family members urging action on the hill. thank you for joining us again. >> my pleasure. thank you for having me. >> i want to start with the politics. we've got manchin and toomey now

potentially collaborating on a proposal to get something through. we have 90% public approval for universal background checks. do you think that republicans are starting to get cold feet about total obstruction and unwillingness to support any kind of gun control measures? >> we saw this in connecticut, too, don't forget. there was a bipartisan deal reached last monday. before they reach it, many of the families from sandy hook, they confronted in a normal fashion. then, hey, take a look at the picture of dylan and anna and i want you to do something when you walk into that chamber. i want you to think about some of the elements of this legislation. in particular they were talking about the high capacity magazine ban. and there was a controversial decision about whether or not to grandfather in ownership. and they found a compromise. and we had a bipartisan agreement. i think everyone across the country will have to look. in connecticut, ten mile from

where i am right now was where they made the colt .45. the handgun that tamed the west. this is, the fact that they were able to do this on a bipartisan basis should be a model for the rest of the nation but it isn't going to be easy. the folks going down there, my friends, my neighbors, they're now my heroes. they're going down there and they're going to talk. they're going to use compassion, common sense to talk to senators on the hill who may be wavering in their views about background checks in particular which is the big one. and trafficking. and also on an amendment on high capacity magazines. >> families were going to speak to the president. i want you to talk a little about what they were going to ask the president for in terms of policy and what, when they go to meet with the senators who might not be on our side or your side just yet. what might they try to say to turn them around? >> let's start with that part of it first. because the most important part is going to the senators who

might be on the fence and saying, look, this isn't about partisan politics. this isn't about anti-guns. everybody here respects the second amendment. many of us are gun owners. this is about saying, hold on. we reached a moment where something happened, where we have to think about the safety of our children. our communities. and guns is one piece of it. not the whole piece. as i've been on the show and talked to you about, we have a wholistic approach. there are other elements which are school safety, mental health, and parenting, frankly. but all of those, there's no legislation right now coursing through hill that we need to take action on. that's why we're focused on this. i think they'll try to appeal to that element of thinking in the senate, the senators. they'll talk to them a bit, i imagine they all have grandchildren and children of their own. they'll have to have some empathy. as dave wheerl said last night, they'll to have look in the mirror and realize and say to themselves, this can't happen in their town. and realize that it can happen

in their town. we need to make some steps. >> rob, as you know, connecticut and new york passed very aggressive gun control measures, post newtown in the case of governor cuomo. legislation that he later had to sort of unwind because it was fairly unworkable. but what measures, what specific measures, you mentioned mental health, have been taken to address the mental health issues that seem to link all of these mass shooters together. we hear a lot about the gun control legislation. what specifically has been done on those mental health issues. >> not enough is the answer. that's absolutely true. look at this issue here. whether it was aurora or virginia tech. there is clearly a mental health problem and access to guns by people with mental health problems. we have to address them. we have to take stigma out of

seeking treatment. we have to make sure people have access to proper mental health care. >> i agree. i'm wondering if any specific steps toward that end have been taken that you're aware of. >> there was part of a connecticut bill for sure. there was part of that. but we need to do more. there hasn't been enough. people have rushed to the gun issue on both sides, frankly. on the right they came out immediately saying now we have to have more gun rights distributed around the country. on the other side, they said we have to ban this, that and the other thing. i think what we're having here is finally a conversation where people will look at the common sense solutions. once we get through these, we have to look at mental health issues in this country. we have to look at parenting. as friends of mine who are on the fence about these issues constantly point out, nancy lanza put a gun safe in her troubled kid's bedroom. that's a parenting decision. >> does any of the breakthrough that we've seen in connecticut

show we should put more emphasis on state level reforms given that's where most of the police powers happen any way in. >> i think that will happen. governors are closer than senators and representatives are to the actual aftermath of gun violence. they go to their children's or their loved ones' funerals. they are in the line of fire. it is like the mayors. the mayors of the cities are the once who face this. as they've coalesced around mayor bloomberg's group, they are the ones who have to clean up after this stuff happens. but just one point about the folks going down on washington tomorrow. i really want to make this clear. these are parents who lost kids. in one case, a man who lost his wife. they're not activists. these people aren't coming down with an agenda that they've been waiting to put in front of senators. these are people down there. they are absolutely normal citizens. they're democrats and republicans, independents,

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we know our economy is stronger when we record an honest day's work with honest wages. but today, a full-time worker making the minimum wage earns $14,500 a year. even with the tax relief we put in place. a family with two kids that earns the minimum wage still lives below the poverty line of the that's wrong. tonight let's declare in the wealthiest nation on earth, no one who works full time should have to live in poverty and raise the federal minimum wage

to $9 an hour. we should be able to get that done. >> that was the president's call to action. almost two months ago at his state of the union, since then other legislative priorities including immigration, guns and the budget have gotten in the way of raising the minimum wage. that hasn't stropd a group of labor organizations called fast food forward, representing low wage workers from fast food restaurants going on strike and demanding not just raising but doubling the minimum wage from $7.25 to $15. our next guest says that the raise is needed because it affects 3.6 million workers, nearly half of those in the fast food industry. we welcome back to the show, president of the center for social inclusion, mia. thank you for being here. what would happen if we raised the minimum wage to $15? some are talking about $10 which would be keeping pace with inflation but if we went to $15,

senator harkin who is pushing a bill speaks would generate 1,400 new jobs just in iowa. the ceo of costco said it would minimize turnover and help productivity. others say no, no, that would mean raising prize at all our franchise. what would be the look of america economically if we raised the minimum wage to $15? >> if we raised the minimum waning to $15, we're actually helping 30 million americans actually work to the point where they can cover their cost of living. that's really what we're talking about. we're talking about whether you can not only pay your rent but buy food to the end of the month. pay the gas or the transportation costs to get your child to childcare. we're talking about families who in some instances, one woman, for instance, the story i know lost her job because she had to take three buses after dropping her child off at childcare. and her job said, we're cutting, she was a minimum wage employee

even less than minimum wage in terms of the number of hours she's working because she couldn't buy a car. so giving people the cushion that enables them to actually solve the problems they have in their lives. childcare is about a third to two-thirds of the salary of a minimum wage worker. >> does it mean fewer people would be hired and prices would go up? >> this is one of the things that is really important to get the truth out there on. there is a myth if you raise the minimum wage, we're looking at losing jobs for the workers to need minimum wage jobs. the research shows, and a letter from economist from corn 87, from columbia, from harvard to the president and the congress a year ago said the research now in economics is pretty clear. that it is good for the economy, not bad for the work he. so the research is clear. the questions are, will politics get clear. >> on the politics, we opened with that picture of the president, the state of the

union. that is the barack obama that i love to southeasterly he has been consistent and clear from back in his organizing days in chicago to when he first ran for president on a minimum wage hike, to when he just it it in one of his most important addresses. after a strong re-election when the country said they want to go with his economic policies and the other big point that people forget is the minimum wage has been crashing, adjust for inflation, people were getting paid more in the minimum wage every are than they are now. do you think the president's longstanding advocacy on this and what he's doing in the state of the union is helping? it feels like we can't get traction and everyone is only talking about the 30-year deficit and not helping working people in this pay cycle in the next two weeks. >> i think this is a good example of the disconnect between what the average american thinks and what is happening inside capitol hill. because the polls show that it is a bipartisan issue. that americans want it. 50% of republicans and 70% of all those polled said they want, 70% total.

so this is not a controversial issue to the public. this is a controversial issue to idealogues. i would say the president is on the right side of public opinion. the question is whether we can get through the gridlock of congress. >> looking bigger picture, when we're talking about income and equality in this country, we've seen that as jobs have started to come back post recession, higher wage jobs have done pretty well. lower wage jobs have come back as a larger share. and middle income jobs accounted for 60% of job losses during the recession but only accounted for 22% of job growth. so essentially we have lots of low wage jobs, lots of high income jobs. don't we have to find a way whether through the minimum wage or some other way to make service jobs pay so that people can afford a lifestyle in this country? >> so the short answer is yes. this is one of the fastest growing job segtors in the

economy is food, hospitality, service, these are all the jobs that are predominantly women. predominantly people of color, male and female. so it is also when you look demographically, it is the biggest cut of the demographics. it is critically important to the country that we have people able to not just pay their bills. it helps the economy able to spend their money. >> thank you very much. >> thank you for having me. up next, inside the minds of the men tasks with leading the global recovery. what were they thinking at the height of the crisis and what they're still doing about it today. [ jackie ] it's just so frustrating...

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with less than half an hour to the closing bell, stocks recovered from early morning losses after a lackluster jobs report. green arrows all across the board. overall, it has been a good year by the numbers. the dow up 11% year to date.

the s&p up 9%, nasdaq up 9 as well. here's a question. do you actually feel, say, 11% better about the economy? or 11% better about jobs or your retirement or america's position in this competitive world. tonight, ben bernanke, the man tasked with this, will be speaking in labor. the topic of what we've learn from banks since the financial crisis. there were three american at the center. they are each chronicled in an important new book. three central bankers and a world on fire. in it, reporter neil irwin takes us inside the minds of ben bernanke, mervyn kink of the bank of england and jean-claude trichet. joining us now, neil, author and economics editor. how are you? >> very good. thanks for having me.

>> let's start with the frame of your book. a lot of people remember this economic crisis as the decline of american businesses. you're using a lens that is telling a story about international governmental cooperation. why that different emphasis? >> we had this horrible crisis in 2008 and we all remember more of it than we might like between sub prime mortgage crisis and the lehman brothers failure and the fall of 2008. that was just the beginning of a longer complex set of events. it involves the european debt crisis, this slow painful recovery in the pus has been going on for four years but sure doesn't feel like it to most americans. they've been a secretive group that get together for dinners and chart out a path to the world economy. and i'm trying to take readers and explain how those decisions really got made over the last five years. >> the three dudes. >> there's another book out right now that touches on the financial crisis by david stockman. and we had him on our show last

week to talk a bit about that. i want to play some sound for and you get your reaction. >> the financial crisis was entirely in the canyons of wall street. there was no risk of a great depression 2.0. that was a cover story for bailing out goldman sachs, morgan stanley, the data shows it wasn't remotely possible. we could have let the two of those firms fail. it wouldn't have spread to the main stream banks. they were not engaged in this kind of leveraged speculation. they didn't own the toxic assets. there was never a rick they would go darker or pay rolls wouldn't be met. all of this, i describe in shorthand as a coop detat by wall street. propping up wall street when the taxpayers of america never should have been thrown in

harm's way. >> so should we have done nothing in the 2008 crisis in. >> disgray profoundly with him. what we've seen in history is over and over when these wall street crises spread and spread throughout the financial system, it leads to really bad places for the ordinary american. for people on main street. we saw a version here. we saw a pretty bad crisis that included the lehman brothers failure and look at this recession. unemployment hit 10% and still at 7.6%. here we are five years later and we're still feeling the pain for millions and millions of american workers because of the financial breakdown. imagine if there had been a total economic collapse and all the banks were allowed to fail that he seems to argue is what should have happened. i think he has a neilistic view of what policy makers can do to contain the excesses and ups and downs of the market. that some of this stuff puts us in a better place than we were

in the great depression. >> pretend i'm a 5-year-old. an analogy many of our viewers will accept readily. pretend i don't think anything about the markets and all this currency is being printed to save the global economy. why aren't more countries considered to be currency manipulators? >> when it is currency manipulation, one man's currency manipulation is another man's managing your domestic money supply. >> right. >> isn't that the saying? we all know that saying, neil. >> prices have been stable in the u.s. for the last five years. new money through quantitative easing and yet prices are rising 2% a year. if that changes, we start to get 3, 5, 7% inflation, that's a problem. then we have to tighten the money supply. >> thank you for being here.

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bathroom that will make room for more seats. the complaint is the bathrooms are too big and there aren't enough people on my flight. >> our facebook friends have been weighing in on that all day. one person said they should cut the fare in half, too. amen. and terry added, as americans get bigger, airline accommodations get smaller. believe it or not, an annual report says airlines have improved on a number of fronts. when it come to on time performance, last year nearly 82% of flights were on time. compared with 80% in 20 level. okay, yes, a 2% difference but every second counts. there were also fewer lost bags, even passengers' complaints were down in 2012. down, which begs the question, are we just getting used to packed planes? paying for extra leg room? meals, even carry-ons? >> unfortunately, the state of air travel today is the new

normal. i don't think we'll ever see the golden age of air travel come back again and that's the sad fact of it. >> so let's take this to the table. i don't know of hard to manning that anything up in in the air has improved that much. i think our bar is relatively low. i don't know about you guys but i avoid air travel at all costs. i am up here in syracuse right now speaking at cornell later. and it is a five-hour drive. i opted for that as opposed to a relatively quick flight because the pain, the hassle, the nuisance, the expense of air travel, whether it is the uncomfortable seat, the uncomfortable security check, the long lines, the inevitably delayed flights. i was on a vomit comet last year, a plane that could not even maintain altitude for five hours. don't get steve kornacki started

on this. it is not worth it. unless i'm going overseas, i would drive to arizona to avoid flying. >> well, i think you're right about most of that. i would not have flown to syracuse. in fact, i spoke up there a little while ago and i flew. so i believe in the air traffic system. but i do agree with you that things are bad and getting worse. i feel like there are less complaints because we accept that the system is horrible. it used to be fun to fly. it used to be a privilege. occasionally you get to go up to the front and talk to the captain if you were a little kid and people would treat you with respect. now it is like, get out the cattle prod, turn off your phone, you're a horrible person, take these little peanuts. the one exception is jet blue. and i don't want to do a free commercial for jet blue. but i kind of have to. they get it. the aesthetic is beautiful, it is fun. i think they are telling the

stewards and stewardesses, don't harass and harang our clients and customers. they give you a tv. why doesn't everybody just give you a little tv? i want to put it out there. jet blue, vomit comet. >> that's tough to come back from. >> what i want to talk about is a little something called economy plus. there are so many parts of the soft underbelly of the airline industry. i'm focusing on economy plus. a program by united which they describe thusly. see travelers are talking about. savor more space to work and relax and be seated near the front of the cabin so you can exit the plane more swiftly at your destination." i'm here to tell you a little bit more about economy plus. that entire description refers to sections of the plane, normal 747s, et cetera, the same they always have been, like exit rows that have four or five inches of

extra room. that's what they is started selling for $39 extra. they created a new class out of the seats that existed. they went further. you have to hand it to them. this is an msnbc exclusive right now. united started in some cases pricing middle seats in the back of the plane as economy plus. and they just surface them on the website, branded as economy plus. we reached out to united today to see if they wanted to excellent comment on this exclusive. i experienced it myself. it goes to the point that s.e. was discussing is the whole thing has been defined down so far, there's nowhere else to two. they're literally selling middle seats as supersize luxury option. it's all gone. >> although i have to say i'd rather pay less than have the niceties to be honest with you. but i cede my time on this issue truly to steve kornacki. >> i've always had my issues with flying. i'm, you know, i've always said if i see somebody in the

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i want to show you the face of illegals in america. that's right. obviously the phrase, illegal american, is absurd. you don't define people as illegal. we don't classify people's entire being based on one action. we don't unless they come to america or stay in america in violation of our immigration codes and then some call them illegal immigrants. the phrase is linguistically illogical, defines beam as illegal rather than their actions. last week the unflun shl associated press style book announced it's banning the phrase that promotes stigmatization and dehumanization in a nation where hate crime violence is up sharply in response to the rise of his pan ipanic americans. it's crucial to be vigilant against defining certain bodies as criminal. language matters. language shapes thought.

words carry baggage and house narratives. an illegal immigrant is like a trojan horse filled with thugs. a person who has cancer deserves sympathy. a cancerous person deserves quarantine. an illegal immigrant sounds like a criminal who's here to steal jobs and researchers. an undocumented worker is a dutiful aspiring american. frank luntz knows the difference. in a once secret memo, he counseled to use illegal immigrant because labels "determine the attitudes people have." many are refusing to let frank luntz frame the conversation anymore. before the "ap" shift other groups dropped the "i word" including abc news, the "huff po and" "fox news latino." nbc news' preferred term is undocumented rather than illegal because it's more neutral. all this because media speech must be held to higher scrutiny. if someone is found standing over a dead body holding a

bloody knife, media will refer to them as an alleged murderer until conviction. why would we use illegal immigrant, a phrase that contradicts the presumption of innocence? in the supreme court's 2012 ruling on arizona's sb-1070, justice anthony kennedy writing for the majority said "it is not a crime for a removable alien to remain present in the u.s." he also wrote it's not a crime to seek or engage in unauthorized employment. so the phrase is inaccurate, leading and loaded, purposely planting visions of unwanted people flouting laws and being a plague upon this country instead of unlucky people who come looking for work, willing to do work most americans are uninterested in doing. 75% of undocumented workers pay payroll taxes and many pay income sales and property taxes. thus contributing to a system they are unable to benefit from

because of their status. so they are makers and not takers. the language we use to define people shapes how they are seen and how they see themselves. going from negro to colored or african-american linked us to a place in history. adding ms. tried to limit women from being defined by marital status. wrapped up in illegal immigrant is a fear of the inevitable browning of america. undocumented works toward a reasonable productive discussion about that future. all right. that does it for the "cycle." now on to the james brown of msnbc, the hardest working person of the day -- >> you got it. >> -- martin bashir. >> this is the most important place to be. good afternoon. it's monday april the 8th. a world leader has passed away, leaving a complex legacy on her departure.