reports," done deal? nearly four months after the mass shootings, senators joe manchin and pat toomey strike a bipartisan agreement on expanding background checks. >> i have to tell you candidly i don't consider criminal background checks to be gun control. i think it's just common sense. if you pass a criminal background check, you get to buy a gun. no problem. >> how would you define a success? inch in 50 years from now, two weeks from now we could look back and say wow, look at what happened result of those shootings in newtown. there was progress. >> nbc's kelly o'donnell joins us with more of her exclusive interview with the newtown families. plus budget battles, the president's long awaited proposal finally arrives on capitol hill. >> when it comes to deficit reduction, i've already met republicans more than halfway. in the coming days and weeks, i

hope republicans will come forward and demonstrate they're really as serious about the deficits and debt as they claim to be. >> he does deserve some credit for incremental entitlement reforms that he has outlined in his budget. i would hope that he would not hold hostage these modest reforms for his demand for bigger tax hikes. plus tensions boil on the korean peninsula. where a north korean mitch test could come at any time. we're live in south korea and china with the latest. and -- the president and first lady bring a bit of memphis soul to the white house. >> i just want everybody to know it is now my second term, so rather than "hail to the chief" we're going with that.

♪ sittin' on the dock of the bay ♪ ♪ watching the tide roll away by yourself ♪ sittin' on the dock of the bay ♪ ♪ wastiin' time ♪ i mean, who doesn't like justin timberlake? c'mon, people. i'm chris cillizza in for an degree contraduring a busy day here in washington. the president's budget is public. an immigration reform announcement could be around the corner, but the big story is the two senators who reached a last-minute bipartisan deal. joining me now, she's a busy lady these days, kelly o'donnell. let's talk right off the bat. this was something that everybody was skeptical that might come together. but it looks like we do have a deal. tell us what it entails and

where we go from here. >> when you say it looked like it might not happen, boy, was it close. no one wanted to ache a breath for the risk it might not come to pass. the big substance is background checks would be expanded for any commercial sale, which means at a gun show or over the enter net. right now it would expand it to other kind of sales. what it does not do is something that was really the subject of a lot of controversy. it does not expand background checks for individual sales between people who know each other, strangers, personal sales, where there isn't any official commerce. that is important to people who were concerned about the reach of what this might do if you look at the example of does a brother sell to a neighbor or another sibling, those sorts of scenarios. democrats, progressives wanted

more, but are very pleased what this does do is put new controls in for those gun shows and for internet sales. they want to see a commission formed, but to examine some of the other large issues. video violence, mental health issues, some of the big cultural and societal force that is contribute to the problem. the politics of this, you have a rep from pennsylvania in pat toomey. you've got joe manchin, front and center, a democrat from west virginia, also help from chuck schumer, and mark kirk, a republican of illinois. in their negotiations, they had people from the nra to try to get a sense of how they could gauge this, but when i talked to joe martialingen today, he said he's had no assurances from the nra, and we saw that right away with a statement from the nra,

saying this wouldn't prevent the shooting that occurred in newtown. >> an important point. martial -- nra putting out a statement to your point. we focus on the policy and political piece, but the personal piece should not be lost. as a farm of two small children, you've got a very unique perspective. you sat down with newtown families. >> i think there is a moment when many people sense a feeling that shifted. the people i talked to certainly acknowledged that as well as the senators. meetings began yesterday, private calls made by members of the families, talking to those senators, trying to have these -- the exchanges, could they change any minds? could they make some ground? continuing today, the depths of what they've been through is so hard to comprehend. i tried to get a sense of what they were getting back from, say, republican senators they

were meeting who don't agree. so i want to give you some of the inside from two people living this so personally first from nelda marquez green, she lost her daughter, and mary sherlock was the school psychologist who put herself in harm's way by going after the gunman. here's what they want about the meetings they're having. >> when we're sitting across from these people in these meetings and the divisive spirit, there's a real spirit of unity, listening, respect, and i'm so grateful that my daughter taught me that, and that i can do this in her name now, and for my son. >> somehow they get the idea that we are some sort of lobbyist. we have no intention of infringing on anyone's legal ability to own a firearm. we don't go there, we don't talk about that. what we're trying to do is bring some sanity back to the table.

>> reporter: what was interesting, what they shared is they are sort of pushing lawmakers to try to get them to change their minds, more sharing and talking, which is something they had republican senators seemed to be surprised by. those conversations are continui continuing, as they have these meetings, thee did ily coming back at each of the other stages as broad gun legislation moves forward. they'll be back many times, i think. >> kelly, thanks for getting that interview, the easier it is to forget that this is based on a personal tragedy that will not go away. thank you for that. today freshman senator chris murphy uses his first speech on the senate floor to demand change when it comes to preventing gun crime. >> this country has gotten so callously used to gun violence. it's just raindrops. just background noise. >> the question is will we do anything about it or sit on our

hands, and accept the status quo with respect to everyday gun violence and these increased incidences of mass shooting? >> joining mess white house senior divorce dan pfeiffer. i know it's a big day, but i want to start on guns. does this mean we are headed to what the white house believes is a meaningful gun piece of legislation to limit gun violence or not? >> it means we're certainly moves in the right direction. we applauded republican senators who in the last 24 hours after hearing from the families of newtown and seeing the powerful display of emotion when the president was up in connecticut on monday night, who stepped away from the brink and decided not so we're heading in the right direction.

the president will not be satisfied until a strong bill gets to his desk and he signs it. >> dan, i know he was in colorado last week, i'm interested in how much personal outreach has the president of the tunnels done to some of these folks in states, members in congress in states like montana with max baucus or louisiana, these are folks who are democrats in swing to conservative states who have been wary on gun legislation. is the president reaches out specifically other joe biding reaching out specifically to say we need you on this? >> the president and vice president are talking to republicans and democrats, including some of the one you just cited, to make the case about why this is common sense, why it's 100% consistent with being a strong supporter of the second amendment, because all we're asking for in this case is to expand background checks, and

while politics are tough on gun issues, this is an issue with strong bipartisan support across the country. there will be votes on limiting high capacity magazines. there will be a vote on the assault weapons ban. neither of those are expected to be added to the bill. if the bill as it stands, as discussed and agreed to this morning, straw purchases, and more money for school safety, is that a win for this white house and for what you started out doing and the president started out doing after newtown? >> the president doesn't view this as a win for him. this isn't about horse race politics. his view is are we making a difference? are we saving lives? are we keeping faith with the families in newtown, aurora, tucson, and all the other horrible tragedies, the ones that have gotten a lot of

attention, and once that have gotten less like in his hometown of chicago. are we keeping the faith with the people? we'll keep pushing for those things, but if we can save lives, make a difference, that's real progress. >> now, dan, on any other day, the president submitting his budget proposal would be huge news. it shows you how busy -- but i do want to talk about it. the president has put the budget proposal before, and he's gotten some criticism on the left. surprise you or concern you? >> it's not surprising. the president made a decision to put in his budget his last compromise offer to speaker boehner, that includes some reforming that republicans have called for that are not the president's ideal, but things he was willing to accept. in the nature of compromise, you have people on both sides who are unhappy. the question now is, you know, the president has put out his offer. are republicans as serious about the deficits in debt?

if this is the number one challenge facing the economy, as so many says, are they willing to make compromising to address that problem? the president is. the question is will they come to him and attempt to make progress. he has a dinner took with rep senators, and he's going to test the waters. >> it is a fascinating time to be in washington. dan pfeiffer, thank you for the time. >> thank you, chris. the top democrat on the budget committee says he has tactical concerns. more from maryland's chris van hollen is next. [ male announcer ] it's simple physics... a body at rest tends to stay at rest... while a body in motion tends to stay in motion. staying active can actually ease arthritis symptoms. but if you have arthritis, staying active can be difficult. prescription celebrex can help relieve arthritis pain so your body can stay in motion. because just one 200mg celebrex a day can provide 24 hour relief for many with arthritis pain and inflammation. plus, in clinical studies,

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are we any closer to solving or long-term economic problems? the man with the answers, chris van hollen, ranking member of the house budget committee. thanks for the time. >> chris, good to be with us. >> we heard from white house senior divorce dan pfeiffer before the break, i asked about compromise and he said, look, that's just the reality, how things work. you voiced concerns about the tactical approach the white house is taking. is this just sort of how compromise works? >> well, chris, i have some substantive concerns and as you said, i expressed in strategic tactical concerns. what the president is doing here is showing that he's willing to meet republicans more than halfway, by including some provision that they had asked for in the past, which now they themselves are running away from, just earlier today the head of the national republican campaign committee was beating

up on the president for including some provisions in his budget that the republicans that originally had asked for. so, look, my view, chris, is we need to find a way to get to a compromise, but republicans have already demonstrated in the last 48 hours and the whole last year that they don't want to meet him halfway. i think what we need to do now is the house should appoint conferrees. after all, speaking boehner and house rpg have been lecturing everybody for years about the importance of getting back to so-called regular order, so they need to name conferrees. >> congressman, one of the big criticisms against republicans is their unanimous opposition to anything that resembles a tax increase. on the other side, though, much of the criticism on the left has been that there are some measures in that budget

regarding cuts to entitlement reform. is entitlement reform not similar in democrats' view that it's untouchable to what republicans are saying, and how do we get beyond those two poles that are being staked out? >> well, chris, i don't think that's a quite accurate description. certainly there are some democrats in that category. as we saw with the affordable care act, democrats are prepared to make reforms to things like medicare, but we want to reform them in a smart way, not in a way that simply puts the escalating costs onto the backs of seniors. so, for example, we have called for clinging the way we reimburse providers, whether they're physicians or hospitals, so that we can try to reduce the overall costs of health care in the system, but not simply transfer that costs onto the backs of seniors. the republican voucher plan for medicare, that doesn't reduce overall costs.

it transfers them onto somebody else. we don't think that's the right way to do it, but we have supported the idea of savings in areas like medicare, by reducing overall health care costs. >> i want to switch subjects quickly. i want to ask you, there's a huge profile of anthony weiner, who you served with, saying he's interested in running back for may -- i know the two of you served together. do you have a relationship with hmm? what do you make of his hopes of returning to the political spectrum? >> i haven't seen that report. i always have wished anthony and his family well in terms of dealing with what was clearly a very bad judgment and something, you know, that he himself recognized was wrong. in terms of his future political decisions, i will leave that to

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ministers. the syrian war is becoming increasingly violent. kerry is meeting with opposition leaders after just yesterday signaling that the obama administration is considering stepping up support to them. so far the administration has not provided the opposition with any lethal aid, but has provided food and medical supplies. the concern is that weapons or lethal aid may fall into the hands of al qaeda affiliated extremist it is operating in syria. the u.s. also has considerable concerns about syria as chemical weapons stockpile. chris? back to north korea, where a mitch launch could come at any time as the country celebrates the anniversary of its founder. it's historically a time when pyongyang seeks to draw the world's attention with dramatic

displays of military might. joining me is richard engel and ian williams is in beijing. ian, i want to start with you. china obviously has a critical role to play, if they want to in defusing the situation in north korea. do we have any case of where they're leaning and what they might do? >> there are indication of a rethink here. u.s. officials say china is key, they want them to do more. the official take, we heard it again today from a spokesman from the foreign ministry, all sides should act with restraint, all sides should act together, but privately chinese officials have been telling the u.s. counterparts that they are rethinking their strategy towards the north, and only last weekend at a forum held here in china for business leaders, xi jinping was very critical of

what he calls threatening chaos to the region and the world for selfish gain. he never mentioned north korea, by name, but clearly he had them in mind. it's also significant what the chinese are not saying. there's been no criticism of the military buildup, of the defensive shields. normally the chinese would be very, very edgy about that, and the fact they haven't criticized it would seem to suggest that they accept what's happening and it's a tacit criticism of the north. clearly john kerry here at the weekend will be pressen senior officials. he's meeting the prime minister and the president for more action from beijing, chris. >> and richard, i want to ask you, as something of a layman in this, i find the mitch launch seems as though it's been imminent for quite some time.

is there some quantitatively or qualitatively different now that makes it thinks it's more real? >> i think that's the fundamental question. why does anyone care if north korea fires a missile. many countries around the world fire missiles. just today pakistan test-fired a missile. the difference is north korea is threatening to bring nuclear war to the rest of the world, and has a capacity to have a weapons deliverable nuclear device. i think that's the real difference. north korea is making all of this noise, it is forcing the united states to change policy. it is drawing in military, forcing the united states to cancel its own weapons tests, and it is getting away with it. north korea plans to have a missile test potential pushing the outer limits of this musadan type medium-range rocket.

it can't happen any time until the 15th is the window most people are looking at right now. what's difference is the capacity, the intentions, and the fact that no one has been able to stop north korea. i think from north korea's perspective, that is a victory. for other potential states looking at acquiring nuclear weapons of their own, it is something the world should be very concerned about. >> richard, you're there on the streets of seoul. the south korean prime minister has said the odds of a north korean missile launch are considerably high. what is the attitude among people in south korea? is there a panic? are they more aware? is it a talk on the streets? what are people saying? >> reporter: i think to a degree there's a big of a conflaying of two issues. the idea of a missile launch being a high probability is universally said, but it doesn't mean it's coming toward seoul.

that north korea will carry out a test firing, perhaps a multiwall launch, by the way, and on at least three occasions, north korea has done multiple missile launches sometimes over several days, so that is a scenario that could play out as well. but it accident mean they'll be raining down here in seoul. i think that's considered a very low probability. what is of greater concern to the people in south korea and across the region is that one of the north korea's larger intentions. if it gets away with this. if it can thumb its nose at the world, launch a missile test, threaten thermonuclear war, which is something it threatened yet again day and have no real repercussions and feel unconstrained by it, what will happen next? how will south korea feel about its long-term future, its long-term security needs? i think that's the bigger

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legislative language to encapsulate all the agreements that we've come to, all of the major issues on a pathway to legalization, on border security, on future flow of workers, on ag jobs, on dream act, all of those have largely been agreed to. >> joining me now is janet murky, the president appeared ceo of la rasa, the largest latino advocacy organization in the united states. i remember back for 2007 when everybody thought we're going to get a bill, we didn't. the signals seemed to suggest we are. why not? as someone who's followed this issue for a long time, do you see something different here that gives you hope. >> absolutely. everything has changed. a lot of it was the election in 2012. for us we knew it would be

important to make a statement. we were at history, a represented 10% of the vote for the first time in the history of the country. and that number is only going to get bigger. we have approximately a million hispanics who will turn 18 every year between now and the next 25 years, so that's voting age added individuals, who are going to be interested in how this issue and other issue that is we care about end up being addressed. >> i always say to people if you know why republicans are more willing to play ball, two number, 71 and 27. 71 is what many p many got hem on 2012. moving in the right direction, but still some hurdles, what that will look like, let me play something that happened earlier in the morning.

>> of that number, how many people do we either apprehend or turn back. that allows us to understand flow. >> have you developed the metrics and the statistics or not? >> we have, sir. >> you have? >> yes, sir. >> you have? >> yes, sir. >> and we're using them? >> we are at the tactical and the strategic level, trying to understand where it makes sense to capture that. >> i'm not asking where it makes sense. what can i -- what can the members of this committee have as a basis to determine the level of security. >> one of the things we're doing -- >> are you sharing that with congress? >> we're just starting to, sir. >> starting to? >> yes, sir. this has been an evolutionivities that's good to snowe. >> that was border patrol chief michael fisher. the question for you is does the hurdle of border security, is that the biggest issue that could derail a deal? >> i think there's been a lot agreed on in principle.

we keep hearing they're in the drafting stage of this legislation, so the specifics of the details will be important, but yes, for us, it's th path to citizenship. i note for others there's an interest in making sure border security issues are addressed. the reality is we'll have to do both. the specifics and details will be very important. my assumption is we'll have to do both in tandem and there will be phases of how we address continued interests around border security and phases of how we move forward on that path to legalization and ultimately citizenship. for us it's very important that path be clear, and achievable for so many who are eager and ready to be part of this society? >> thank you for joining us. i always feel like it's a question of whether congress can walk and choose gum. >> i think kell can. msnbc will be airing "the dream is now" the human face

behind immigration reform. here's a sneak peek. >> it's nothing news for us. pick your favorite moment in history and pick your favorite invading race or nationality. the chinese, the jews, the irish, the italians. look at our history, and you can find a new other we were told to fear. and consistent throughout the struggle is a battle between our very worst instincts and our very best, that this other has become us. >> there's no way i can get in the military. i just gave up. i said why try if -- if -- if i can't get there. >> earlier this week andrea interviewed the director behind the film maker, david ghoulsen

hype. guggenheim. >> tell me about what's inspired you to work on this project and what you are trying to make real for people, the lives of these young, undocumented immigrants. >> when you look at this issue, and politics, so much news, so much politics, i think people forget the humanity behind it. so i wanted to tell the stories of people whose lives are literally at stake. my hope is if they watch this 30-minute movie, it will open people's minds to they people who are fighting, trying to live the american dream, and we have to work really hard to let them. >> and who are some of the people whom you have profiled here, because these stories are dramatic, they're compelling, and they're people that any one of us would know in our own lives. >> there's this great kid name al hand dro, who grew up in

chicago, he's a junior rotc. out of 11,000 kids who want to be in the military, they picked him as the very best and most capable. he wants to be a marine. the marines want him to be a marine, but he can't just because he can't fill out the social security number part of his application. fixing this right now in washington at this moment will let great, very capable people lime al hand dro fight in our military. >> why is this so important economically? what do people need to understand about the imperative of saving these people, but also for the wealth of the country? i want you're right. there's a moral argument, that we should do this because they're people, but the practical argument is just as strong if not stronger. if you go to our website thedreamisnow i, and we made a short film, he had just gotten

into yale graduate school, some spectacular program. he might not be able to go, because he is not documented. he doesn't have any -- he may not be able to get the financial aid to do that. he does this great chalkboard scene for us. if you watch this movie, it shows how it will bring $329 billion in benefits to our economy if we just take the dreamer piece, get these young dreamers, make them part of our society. the other flip side is we sent people do we train them here and send them to another country if we don't figure this out. >> and it costs something like $23,000 to deport one of these young people? >> $23,000 to deport an undocumented person. it's hard, it's difficult, yet if we help them people, who you heard john mccain cease these people who live in the shadows, he's exactly right. they're living in the shadows,

and yet as young kids, they raise their hands in grammar school saying they wanted to go to college, they wanted to live the american dream. all of them, it's very fascinating, andrea, when you meet them, they all do spectacularly well. they all hit this moment where they realize, uh-oh, the dream isn't real. if you can go to college, they can't get the jobs they're qualified for, because they're undocumented. so if we fix this thing, it's great for all of us. >> there's support on capitol hill, but a lot of opponents as well. what do you hope to accomplish with the film? >> you know better than me, there's a moment where the stars are aligning. it feels like there's a rare moment, when the window is opening, where we could possibly pass comprehensive reform that's been tried and failed for many, many years. my hope is if people watch this movie, they go to my website

thedreamisnow.org, and open their minds and see the humanity at stake, and that it's not just a moral imperative, but an economic, a practical exercise tiff to help our economy and to help our society and get this things done. my hope is people will watch the money, be inspired enough to sign our pledge, go to our website and say, demand that congress fix this very broken system that we have right now. >> well, good luck to you, and we're really proud that this is airing on msnbc at 4:00 on sunday. it's "the dream is now" and great luck to you with this venture. thank you so much. >> thank you. nice to see you. >> you too. don't miss "the dream is now" this sunday immediately followed by a panel discussion on immigration reform. that's only on msnbc. we will be right back. this day calls you.

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significant, heart for him among the democratic left, it's not everybody that republicans want, but a significant move in the right direction. i think it bodes well for a future deal. >> let me ask about pre-k, early education funding. budgets have lots of proposals in them, moth of them don't come to pass. how do they get the money for it? we think about -- but a lot of it is on education, recidivism and prisons, and the research and dada is overwhelming.

you i've got working on education reform all my adult life, and we're not getting any better. we've got doing the same old thing. >> what makes you think we're going to get better? everyone wants more money. if you asked 100 people -- >> because we didn't know if it would work. we've been doing smaller class size, now we have data. we know from good solid science research, if you spend it as they're developing, you don't have to do it later on. if you get a return on the dollar, it makes sense for everybody. >> some are reporting the way it gets paid for is by raising the cigarette tax. >> yeah. >> is that the kind of thing that can make it through a deeply divided congress? >> i don't know, chris.

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mark miller is here to tell me. mark, the president bringing senators, republican senators, to the white house. what do we know? >> well, chris, this doesn't have the same amount of fanfare but it meets at the white house this evening. johnny isaacson, mike inzy, susan collins. those are some names that have leaked out so far. >> this is the second big dinner he's done. kind of an intriguing group. does it matter? >> it might. we won't get any type of budget deal done in april. the question is, do these relationships pave for getting something done in the summer, in september? that's what they are trying to do. >> two reminders, johnny issacson, fresh off the dinner with president obama, will be on this show tomorrow. joe biden, you might have heard of him, the vice president of the united states, he will be on tomorrow morning. that does it for this

edition of "andrea mitchell reports." tomorrow, andrea will be live in south korea where there will be talks about the north korea crisis. my colleague, tamron hall has a look at what is next on "news nation." hi, tamron. >> we are following stories out of washington, d.c. the conservative group threatening to hold republican accountable if any of them support the bipartisan compromise on background checks held today. we will talk with keith elson and jackie spear about whether the deal has any chance of passing the deal. plus an emotional homecoming for the first lady who is set to speak on gun violence any moment now from chicago. we will bring you the first lady's remarks. and reaction to the president's budget which he says will create jobs. zachary will join us to look at president's proposal and the

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