connecticut legislature. the component parts of that bill, every state in the union should take a look at what connecticut has done. >> thank you, mike. >> if it's way too early is it? what time is it? >> it's time for "morning joe." but right now it's time for "the daily rundown" with chuck todd. have a great day. immigration nation in the wake of a giant capitol hill rally. wednesday, it's full day coverage, right here on msnbc, on one of the biggest issues facing washington right now. and we have brand-new poll numbers to show you on the debate that will shape the future for millions of future americans. also this morning, a republican congressman in charge of keeping the house in republican control speaks out loudly to the left of the president on social security. he's sticking to his guns. how many republicans will make him walk it back? and a bipartisan breakthrough on background checks may not be so easy after all. the nra, after hours of letting it hang out there, late last

night, let congress know they're still keeping score. it's a very busy thursday, april 11th, 2013. this is "the daily rundown." i'm chuck todd. got the 411 on everything today. had to use it once. let's get right to my first read. this morning at 11:00, the senate is expected to vote on whether to take up debate on a gun bill. it follows a whiplash day of sorts, as momentum seemed to stall on the big compromise on background checks put forward by senators pat toomey and joe manchin. senator chuck schumer agreed not to appear when the two rolled o out the deal, because toomey didn't want to stand next to them, for political reasons. senator mark kirk, also co-sponsor of the compromise also agreed not to appear. at the news conference, toomey and manchin said all parties, including the nra, had been in the room. >> i've got to tell you, candidly, i don't consider criminal background checks to be gun control. >> we've taken all sides into consideration. have the nra sitting there, all people on all sides of the gun

issue. >> have the nra sitting there, which then confirms exactly what we've been hearing about what happened two nights ago. while it was clear from the outset the nra would not support the bill, the question was, would they oppose it? well, now we've got an answer. being at the table did not stop the nra from releasing this letter it sent to senators after dinner last night. "the nra is unequivocally opposed to s. 649. in addition, the nra will oppose any amendments offered to. 649 that restrict fundamental second amendment freedoms, this includes the misguided compromise proposal drafted by joe manchin, pat toomey, and chuck schumer. votes on all anti-gun amendments or proposals will be considered in nra's future candidate evaluations." they say they were technically not opposing the bill, just calling it misguided, and said

that it would score anti-gun amendments. and some senate democrats are trying to claim that didn't necessarily include the manchin/toomey compromise. this morning on "morning joe," toomey and manchin defended their plan. >> i know this does nothing to infrang the rights of law-abiding citizens. if it did, i wouldn't be for it. >> we are assuring them as nra members, as a livtype member, a sportsman all my life, this bill doesn't allow government infringement, takes none of your rights away. >> all right, so what happens next? if the senate successfully votes to start debate, and that's going to happen, then the senate leaders have to decide how they'll proceed with amendments to the legislation. and this could actually take days. leadership aides think the amendment process will determine the overall fate of the bill. here are manchin and toomey's expectations for how things will go. >> do you have 60 votes? i think so. i think we worked hard. >> let me just add, i think we've got a few voting hurdles and i don't know how they'll be able to turn out.

i think we will be able to get started on the underlying bill with the vote today, but how the amendments play out, i think it's just too early to know. >> so this is what's not clear. and in a move that did not help them, oklahoma's tom coburn said this of the compromise. the manchin/toomey proposal is a good faith but unworkable plan. the proposal will kbroez new taxes and unreasonable burdens on law-abiding citizens. remember, tom coburn was the first target of chuck schumer to try to get him on board the background check compromise. here's the thing. as our new poll shows is, a wide divide remains between the two parties. 55% of all americans want stricter gun laws. but while 82% of democrats favor stricter laws, just 25% of republicans do. you can pretty much use those same percentages to decide what are the chances of a gun bill passing in the senate versus the house. a lot of gun control advocates belief the manchin/toomey compromise is not enough tough. but we've got more prove yesterday that the president will be happy to sign anything.

he released a statement saying this, "this is not my bill and there are aspects of the agreement that i might prefer to be stronger. but the agreement does respect welcome and significant bipartisan progress." in an interview with "morning joe," vice president biden chose to paycheck the nra his opponent. >> guess what? the nra was for the background check bill. i negotiated personally with the nra as to how this thing got taken care of. and all of a sudden, it's like, well, it makes sense to check 60% of the people buying gun, but 40%, it doesn't make sense. the public is so far ahead of the elected officials. i mean, so far ahead. you saw it in immigration, you saw it in marriage issues, you're seeing is it now. the public has moved to a different place. >> white house is pulling out all the stops to get a deal done on guns, including a very personal pitch yesterday, from the first lady in her hometown of chicago, where she talked about the 15-year-old chicago teenager who was shot and killed

earlier this year. >> what i realized was hadiya's family was just like my family. hadiya pendleton was me and i was her. but i got to grow up and go to princeton and harvard law school and have a career and a family and the most blessed life i could ever imagine and hadiya, well, we know that story. >> there's a lot more moving parts on this gun issue today, including the vigil that's taking place at capitol hill and a lot of other things. but we have to move on. moving on to the other really intriguing story of this morning. the guy in charge of keeping republicans in charge of congress, a member of the house republican leadership, the nrcc chairman, greg walding has created a bit of a stir by

attacking the president's ideas on social security and doing so from the left. the white house budget rollout was going predictably with everyone sticking to their usual talking points. >> if anyone think s i'll fini reductions on the a backs of the middle class. when it comes to deficit reduction, i've already met republicans more than halfway. >> why don't we do what we can agree to do. why don't we find the common ground that we do have and move on then? the president got his tax hikes in january. >> so, all going predictably, right? well, enter oregon congressman greg waldon. he's the chairman of the nrcc, and he said this about this changes the president's budget wants to make to social security. >> his budget really lays out kind of a shocking attack on seniors. >> what's so shocking about changing that cpi, that consumer price index, the way that you would determine how much

inflation would go ahead with increases for social security recipients, for example? >> well, once again, you're trying to balance this budget on the backs of seniors. and i just think it's not the right way to go. >> okay, again, that was a republican saying that. that was not bernie sanders, that was not robert reich. that's who had been criticizing the president on change cpi, starting last friday. here's the other rub, republicans, including house speaker john boehner and senate minority leader mitch mcconnell support this change in the so-called chain cpi. apologies for keep using that washington speak. the private and public pressure for walden to retract those comments began immediately. the conservative club for growth said in a statement, "greg walden doesn't seriously oppose even the most modest of reforms for social security, right? greg walden ought to think about clarifying his remarks on chained cpi and think about clarifying soon. i'm sure his constituents would like to know his opinion." a bit of a veiled threat there.

well, walden is standing behind what he said, in a statement provided to us this morning, "chairman walden supports the budget passed by house republicans that preserves and protects medicare and social security while also balancing the budget in ten years. he disagrees with president obama's political plan that hurts current seniors, just so he can pay for more wasteful spending." we hear this clarification, by the way, not sitting well, with members of the gop leadership. but this entire episode raises too larger points. one, it shows why reforming any of these programs is so difficult, because the political parties are ready to pounce on any type of change that's unpopular and trust me, folks, changing anything to sz enior citizens is unpopular. note that walden is probably reading plenty of these polls that indicate how unpopular this is. and trust me, i've seen the numbers he's seen. it's unpopular. so he's seeing an opportunity to take advantage and save the republican majority.

two, walden's comments hurt the gop in its effort to be taken seriously about this grand bargain budget process, and particularly entitlement reform. the past two elections, the republicans have attacked the president and the democrats for raiding $716 billion from medicare, but then using those cuts to help balance their budget, and now, as it's demanding that the president get serious about entitlement reform, one of its political operatives, essentially, the campaign chairman of the nrcc is pouncing on changes to social security. walden could be providing a fascinating clarifying moment for the president sitting over there in the oval office. they'll find out who wants to work with him and who doesn't. who speaks out publicly against walden, backs up the president, who doesn't. haven't heard from any elected officials on this. putts all the more pressure on the president's talk with members of the senate, like the white house dinner last night, with a dozen republican senators. if he wants to get something done, he will only get it done with senate republicans. this trust deficit that's been

exposed between house republicans and the white house, it's bigger. also, has walden given the president a walk away from talks free card? all right, turning now to the focus of what we're doing today, our brand-new nbc news/"wall street journal" poll, the president's mini honeymoon is over. the right track number has dropped for the third straight survey, down to just 31% of the country thinking the country's headed in the right direction. the president's job rating is under 50% for the first time since october. it's dropped for the third survey in a row, down to 47%. his handling ton economy, his approval rating there, sits at 47%. on foreign policy, he's at 46%. that's the lowest approval number on that issue that we've ever recorded for him and the president's 47% positive personal rating is at a one-year low. on the sequester, most people say it hasn't impacted them at all. just 16% say the sequester cuts have had at least quite a bit of impact on their own pocketbooks. but there is fear out there,

when asked if sequester would harm the economy as a whole, 47% believe that it will. we tested the country's feelings on some 2016ers and it turns out there's hillary clinton and then there's everybody else. clinton has the highest personal rating at 56%. marco rubio and rand paul both have net positive ratings, but the new york city mayor, michael bloomberg, slight net negative. i guess being in the face of big gulp doesn't help. and as the networks of nbc news put a special focus on immigration nation today, for the first time in the poll, a majority of the public agrees with the statement that immigration strengthens the nation. 54% believe immigration does strengthen this country. that's up from 47 in may of 2010, 41% in april 2005. and among hispanics, that number is even higher. 65% believe that immigration strengthens this country. we'll dig much deeper into those immigration numbers coming up in our deep dive, pollster's right here. it's one of those days, it's poll day, and it's an even larger day. coming up, nbc's special coverage of immigration nation

continues as thousands of immigration reform supporters rally at the capital. the gang of eight senain the se say they're on the verge of a deal. congressman luis gutierrez and mario balart from my hometown will be here next. but first, a look ahead at today's politics planner. there's a lot going on. masters the tees off. tiger, i think he is a morning tee off. the president is presenting his 11th medal of honor since he became president. that happens today. that's a posthumous award. you're watching t"the daily rundow rundown", only on msnbc. ♪

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we are just finishing up legislative language to encapsulate all of the agreements that we've come to, all of the major issues. all of those have largely been agreed to. >> that was senator bob menendez on wednesday'sda "daily rundown saying the so-called gang of eight in the senate is very close to finishing their legislation. that news came on the same day that tens of thousands of people gathered on capitol hill to push congress to act. joining me now are two members of the house, who are working on this issue. illinois democrat luis gutierrez and florida republican, mario diaz balart. welcome to both of you, gentleman. >> thanks, todd. >> congressman gutierrez, let me start with you. what's your hearing coming out of the senate, are you going to be able to support something like this that has this, what you're hearing, the metrics of having sort of a border security metrics that has to be met before the path to citizenship

begins? >> look, i've had t explait exp to me by senator schumer and senator durbin. they have been doing this for decades. he understands. they have convinced me that what they have agreed to is a path that is reachable, that -- to american citizenship. but most importantly, they are going to protect 11 million people from deportation, give them work authorization, learn english, pay your taxes, get a background check and make them right with the law. and for, i know, mario and i, as we look at this, we think of those families, 1,400 people will be deported today, 1,400 tomorrow. even if we finish this, todd, by the end of, let's just hope and pray, that the president signs this legislation, another 125,000 people will be deported and thens of thousands of

families will be affected. >> congressman diaz balart, the most fascinating thing we found in our poll, among members of your party, when you do not talk about the penalties that those who are here, that are undocumented, would have to go through to get citizenship, a majority of republicans are not in favor. but then when you tell them that the bill will have, that you'll have to pay a fine, you'll have to learn english, there'll be a background check, then suddenly support grows to 73% among republicans. how do you, essentially, prevent the messaging from getting out of whack? because that's what destroyed immigration reform's chances seven years ago. >> first place, we have to make sure we have legislation that is reasonable, that the american people understand and think it makes sense. and that's what we're working on in then in a bipartisan way. and you would think if there's a bipartisan arrangement between members of the house, with all the bickering, people may say, we don't agree with it all of

it, but good job. we think all sides are going to try to kill it. which is why it's important the to do this right. >> let me stop you there. you sound a little more pessimistic. i've had people say i'm overly optimistic of these chances, compared to everything else you guys are working on, that immigration is the best chance of seeing something done in the next three or four months, but you seem a little nervous. >> i'm optimistic we're going to get it done, precisely because of all the work that's getting done. but i'm a realist. i don't think because it's a bipartisan effort, something that's rare up here, that the world is going to say, great job, guys. i think both extremes are going to be critical. the important thing is to stay on the issue, to focus on the issue. and we're working on legislation that is reasonable, that protects the rights of those that are in the legal process, who, as my friend and colleague said, stops the deportations of decent people, who have, by the way, in many cases, american kids, fixing the immigration system that's broken, creating a visa program that works.

>> what mario is saying, todd, is that, look, we are going to, democrats are taking into republican concerns and priorities, and let me say at the same time, they are taking. so it's a bipartisan approach. it's a comprehensive immigration bill. so there are going to be parts that are going to be more acceptable, likable to certain sectors of 435 members of the congress of the united states. but i'm sure once we, once the senators unveil theirs and we shortly thereafter unveil ours, as i expect we will, then i think you'll hear people say, pick and choose different parts. but it's going to be a comprehensive immigration reform bill. and i've got to tell you something. the american public on november 6th said, stop picking winners and losers, get together in a bipartisan approach. it's what we want you to do. and that's what mario and i and a lot of other really good men and elm with on the republican and democratic side are doing on the issue of immigration. the people yesterday that were

clamoring for change here in washington, d.c., expect no less. they don't expect me to wake up in the morning and fight with mario and that that's the challenge of the day. they expect me to sit down with mario and find 218 votes, republican and democratic, and get this done. >> does this, realistically, have to get through the senate first before the house takes it up? >> i don't think so. >> look, we have our own process. in the house, we've been working for a long, long time, and we think that we have a very good piece of legislation that we hopefully will be able to unveil shortly. a piece of legislation that's good, that's reasonable, that's permanent, that fixes what's broken, and does so in a way we can get the votes in the house. >> let me steal an expression from mario. we're on the same planet. that is to say that the way in which the senate has explained to me and others, that they're going to manage the key and principle issues around comprehensive immigration reform

are going to be somewhat similar and somewhat insync with our approach. but the approaches will be different. you will see different things treated differently, because we are not, it's not a group of 16, it's a group of 8. the house of representatives has different considerations than the senate does. and we need to get 218 votes. that's our goal. >> before i go, congressman diaz -- go ahead. >> you're going to reach relatively similar conclusions. >> congressman -- >> we'll have differences, but they'll be very similar. >> congressman diaz balart, i want to ask you one quick political question. greg walden, chairman of the nrcc, was very critical of the president's budget on the issue of social security and those changes on the cost of living increases and seemed to use some rhetoric that some republicans are uncomfortable with. do you agree with congressman walden about his critique of the president's budget on social security? >> i frankly haven't seen it. and to tell you the truth, i

haven't finalized reading the president's budget. there are things in that budget that i obviously am not going to like. i'm hoping that there are some things that we can get together and start working on. but i frankly have not seen the comments of mr. walden, and i haven't finished reading -- >> there is widespread concern in the democratic caucus here in the house of representatives, with the president's proposal. so i will share that. maybe mario and i, we've been locked up in a room with our staff, trying to get this done. so excuse us if we don't know, if we're not, if we're not up to date on everything. >> right. >> all right, guys. thank you very much. thank you for helping us kick off what we're doing all day today on this push on immigration reform. thanks for your work, thanks for coming on the show. >> our pleasure. up next, resisting reform. our poll shows a strong majority now support a path to citizenship. but there are some grassroots groups trying to squash any efforts. up next, we'll look into the money and methods into some of the opposition. but first, today's trivia

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as we've been telling you, immigration reform efforts appear to be at a tipping point. the public now in favor of some form of legalization for those that are here undocumented and more republicans getting on board, hopes are high for a bill that can become law. but there are some powerful opponents still standing in the way. nbc news national investigative correspondent michael isikoff has more. >> reporter: as thousands march in washington demanding immigration reform, and a bipartisan group of senators crafts a bill that hopes can pass congress, roy beck is working hard to make sure their efforts fail. >> the real question is, are we going to flood this labor market

with more foreign workers at the expense of our own americans? >> reporter: beck is the president of numbers usa, a grassroots lobby that ehelped kill president george w. bush's push for immigration reform in 2007. it's now launching attack ads, targeting reform backers like south carolina's lindsey graham. >> who demanded graham to end amnesty. >> amnesty, not me? >> he's got a message. >> you need to get your affairs in order and go back home. >> it's a position mitt romney picked up during last year's election. >> if people don't get work here, they're going to self-deport. >> beck takes credit for that. >> we were jumping on that bandwagon. i think the phrase is not the best phrase. >> reporter: it was the phrase you used. >> and it's fine. >> reporter: beck and numbers usa are the spearhead of a closely aligned network of groups with names like fair and the center for immigration studies that has spent over $100

million over the past decade to shape policies aimed at restricting immigration. >> every anti-immigrant bill in congress has either been drafted by these groups or has been strongly advocated for by these groups. >> reporter: all three groups were founded with help from a controversial michigan doctor and environmentalist, john tanton, who in this 1993 memo wrote, "for european american society and culture to persist requires a european american majority and a clear one at that." tanton was unavailable for comment due to health problems, his spokesman said. beck, who once worked as an editor for tanton, strongly denies any racial motivations. >> we've always been very clear. immigration should not have a racial component, it should not have an ethnicity component. >> reporter: but recently, some republicans are blaming the influence of beck and his anti-immigrant allies for sinking the party's latino vote, from 40% in 2004 to only 27%

last year. >> i would say that listening to these groups is a recipe for disaster, for the gop. >> reporter: beck is unmoved. he says he's being outspent by pro-immigration lobbyists, but that his numbers are growing by the day. >> how much clout do you have in congress right now? >> right now? >> yeah. >> we're going to find out. >> michael isikoff joins me now. you know, mike, what's interesting here is that the -- you talk about those lobby numbers, pro-immigration side, a lot more money. >> and more is being poured in. zuckerberg -- >> facebook -- >> silicon valley. >> there are a whole bunch of people jumping on this train. >> now a big lobbying push for immigration reform. look, roy beck told me he's going to be unveiling more of those attack ads against senators in coming weeks, like the ones against lindsey graham. i spoke to graham's office yesterday, a statement from the senators, they can spend all the

money they want, i'm not backing down. >> and you look at the three leaders in the house republican leadership, one's from ohio, one's from virginia, one's from california. and i always emphasize that to people. they do have their eye on the larger ball, it seems, when it comes to this. but let me ask you this question. one of the attack lines that i've heard that could scuttle immigration reform is just the pure cost. >> exactly. >> and some conservative fiscal groups might go at it that way. >> what we're learning about the bill the gang of eight is crafting right now, and it's the border security beefup is -- >> it's expensive! >> the one thing that they're bringing on to get those wavering senators, but it's going to cost a lot of money. >> where do we get this money? >> where's it going to come from? that's the big question right now. >> mike isikoff, nice work. thank you, sir. >> thank you. up next, taking a deep dive into the brand-new poll on immigration. we've got a big shift to show you. plus, a cool new technological toy. we always have something new to play with. our pollsters will be here. you're watching "the daily rundown," only on msnbc.

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time for the deep dive into the immigration numbers in our new poll. they prove that reform actually should be relatively easily, particularly when you compare it to the other facts on capitol hill. big question, do americans support a path to citizenship for immigrants living here illegally? and that, to me, as always been the biggest tipping point. here are the numbers in support overall. 64%, latinos, 82, latinos, 80% democrats, all in favor there. but if you explain how a path to citizenship would work and lay out the list of penalties that are included in this legislation, the gang of 8's working on, a fine, back taxes and a background check, the numbers change and they change dramatically when it comes to republicans. look at this number. a jump of 26 points for republicans, but overall, 76%.

latina support goes slightly down to 80%, democrats up to 81%, independents up to 72%, but it's that republican number that jumps up to 73%. 26 points different. the key details, how long should people have to wait before they are eligible for citizenship? so when you look at here, the public has a sweet spot. and it's at 51%. and this is, by the way, it's that way, it's over 50% among latinos, 54%, but 51%. and this seemed to be that at least five years after application, 12% after 10 year, 18%, immediately, only 14% say never. now, let's move on here when it comes to, when it comes to where folks are, when it comes to who handles the issue of immigration better. among all adults, democrats, a slight advantage there. 26%. republicans, 19% both, 21%.

noo neither, 33%. when you look at latinos, the democratic party is seen as better with immigration, 37%. just 11% of hispanics believe the republican party is better on immigration. both, 26%. neither, 23%. so you can see politically how this issue could be trouble among hispanics or republicans. so let's bring in our pollsters, bill mcinturff from the republican side of our nbc "wall street journal" poll and fred yank on the democratic side. gentleman, thanks for letting me do our little technological run-through. bill, you know, i've had some people tell me i'm being pollyannish about looking at our poll numbers on immigration and showing, frankly, how easy it appears to get this through politically to the public, as long as washington doesn't mess it up. am i naive? >> i would never say you're naive, chuck, but i would say polling underestimates polling intensity. and if you were at a republican

primary, the emotion and intensity on immigration is don't let people break rules and be rewarded. and that's a very strong current. so these numbers explain and show how carefully the dialogue has to take place with republicans. the reason for optimism is compared to last time we did this in 2007, overall attitudes, including among republicans, are more positive about the contribution of immigration to our country. >> you know, it's interesting, fred, he brought up the word, "emotion." in the gun debate, it's all emotion right now, and we've been talking about that. an emotion is driving everyth g everything. whether it's the newtown families, whether it's folks at the nra. what it feels like on immigration, it feels like the emotional aspect maybe has been taken out of it, which makes it easier. >> there may be some memotions n both sides, but i think what the numbers show, chuck, that this is a practical thing we need to do soon. one of the things that's interesting is acknowledge voters who think immigration weakens the united states, you

were talking about that, is the border secure, you were talking about, when and how long should the path to citizenship be. only a quarter of the americans who say immigration weakens the country says they should never have a path to citizenship. >> so it's really a small group of people. >> even if you're opposed to this, with you know it's going to happen at some point. >> and you think that there should be some way that folks eventually can become citizens. >> yes. >> bill, i want to ask you, you asked this about this basic question, do you believe the border is secure. majority, not just a majority of all americans believe the border is the not security, but a majority of hispanics. it was only a small, it was only 30% who thought the border was secure. does this matter. >> sorry, chuck, go ahead. >> no, does this matter? >> oh, yeah, it matters. look, the first precep when people have, when you do qualitative research and talk to people one on one, they keep saying very simply, why in the world would we do anything until we can make sure folks would not

keep coming to this country. and the real progress that's been made is kind of underreported and people have this very strong perception that more needs to be done. so when you hear this legislative dialogue, that clearly has to be an element. and it's a first step. but, by the way, what they also want, is we've been doing this since 2007. they want this problem fixed, they want it solved, and they want it kind of put away and resolved for years to come. >> and that's what you wonder. it is amazing, right, that the lack of what they know about what they know about what's going on in the border. i want to go to other parts of the patrol, fred. and the more things change, the more they stay the same when it comes to the president and the feelings about the directions of the country. we're back to where we were a year ago. the president's job approval sitting below 50. direction of the country, people feeling pessimistic again. it's dragging -- is that what's dragging him down? >> you know, a year ago, when we were seeing these same numbers, it was a lot about the economy. you know, conflicting reports have shown economic progress,

but i think, ironically, chuck, and i don't know what bill thinks, is i think what the focus on some of these important issues, immigration, marriage, even abortion, important issues that seem to be consuming a lot of washington's time, they're still very worried about the economy. and i think one of the lessons from the survey is, these are important things, we need to debate it, discuss it, but don't forget our livelihoods. >> is that your sense of this, bill? i've had people say to me, washington's talking about every issue except the number one issue. >> i go back, it was a key moment in 2005, when washington talked about that part woman, schiavo, in florida, and baseball steroids. and our numbers dropped in congress, and peep said, what are you talking about? we need to improve the economy and fix jobs. you can hear the president and first lady's passion with regard to the issue of guns. but people have day-to-day life concerns and we know from our

research that they're still saying the economy will get worse and we're in a recession and there has to be a core economic focus and these economic concerns continue to be an anchor on this president and feelings about washington. >> fred, last question on guns. that gender gap. i cannot think of another policy initiative that has had that large of a gender gap when it comes to having a larger gender gap. 65% of women and 50% of men. >> is it a mom/dad issue. >> it is, it is 50% with men. so that's a high number too just, obviously, the women feel -- >> just that huge gap, it was kind of startling. we have a whole second half of this poll that we're releasing tomorrow morning. we're doing things a little differently. we'll be talking to both of you guys again. thank you, thank you, bill. we're just about an hour away from the first senate bill on gun legislation. the gaggle's coming up. but first, the white house soup of the day, chicken t

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the budget really lays out kind of a shocking attack on seniors, if you will. once again you're trying to balance this budget on the backs of seniors, and i just think it's not the right way to go. >> greg walden, the man in charge of keeping the house under republican control using some progressive democratic talking points to attack the president's ideas on social security just hours after the white house released its budget proposal. let's bring in the gaggle. thursday democratic stritist mike feldman. from the bernard center for

women and politics and public policy, michelle bernard and my partner in crime senior political editor at msnbc mike murray. mike feldman, he was using bernie sanders talking points to hit the president. a lot of republicans are telling me they're upset with him but i have not heard any republicans publicly say that. >> it was a little disorienting. i fully expected they would be walking it back together, not doubling down on it. i think it will be interesting to see the contours of the caucus and what people will say. in a lot of ways the budget is the opening round in the next debate. odd to attack him from the left on this. i think probably people in his own caucus are puzzled by it. i think the left is probably puzzled by it. >> but it is a reminder, social security, that is one thing nobody wants to touch it, and there's a reason republicans had been not putting out. they kept saying to the president, you do it, you do it, you do it. now we know why. >> social security is the holy grail when we talk about

entitlements and entitlement reform. despite the fact we know it's the holy grail, what walden did really looks like political pandering. it's a way of getting out there saying yop the seniors to get mad at me even though we're the party that cries budget reform, don't touch seniors. it doesn't smell good. >> but we know what he's doing. it's not that changing the way social security does is somewhat unpopular. it's really unpopular. they've tested this every which way from sunday, and he's out there saying don't do it. >> it's very unpopular but so is tinkering with medicare too which were republicans were all for. this thing in some ways might hurt republicans credentials in trying to reform entitlements. we saw in the obama health care law, republicans said president obama is trying to cut $716 billion from medicare. then republicans assume that in their own budget. on top of that you have this and that hurts them i think. >> they really did. the other -- obviously we're

looking at a big focus on immigration. i'm looking at the poll numbers and saying this is easy. am i too naive. >> you're polling shows it but the other numbers that show it are the demographics. you look at states like nevada, new mexico, colorado, northern virginia where you live, chuck -- >> the hispanic population. >> percentage of the eligible vote that's nonwhite is growing. in nevada i heard by 2% a year and republicans are looking at that, looking at the 24% that mitt romney got among latino voters in the last election. they cannot win a national election unless they get right on this issue. >> i go back to something i've been focused on which is this issue of emotion. the more emotion is involved in the debate sometimes the harder it is to get legislation passed. i feel like the emotion has been taken out of immigration. >> i feel it's been completely taken out of immigration. people do look at it as a moral issue and people say there needs to be a legal pathway to citizenship. it is a civil rights issue. after everything that happened

in zastates like alabama and arizona the feeling that the laws that were being passed are racial profinaling. americans want to do the right thing. if republicans want to win elections, they need to pass immigration reform and there needs to be a legal pathway to citizenship. >> mark, messaging is everything. how they roll this out, there's a reason -- marco rubio is being very careful. he's walking, not running, but he's in. that's why he has to say all those things because we see it in our polling. it's the difference between having republicans with you or against you. >> the gun control debate, there isn't a republican, even pat toomey, who has done what marco rubio has done, selling it to diehard conservatives, that this is important for us to get there. >> it is amazing. anyway, i can't imagine it not getting done. but who knows. my blow up. shameless plugs. >> a double plug my dad turned 80 last week. jed feldman and nancy grut uthrs recovering. >> and i know nancy is watching

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