world watches, this will be no more newtowns. >> these victims need to be our imperative, whether they with the 6-year-old and 7-year-old kids and teachers of yutown or the 17-year-olds that are dying every single day across our country. >> i'm grateful to all republicans who joined with us to allow this debate to go forward. now, the hard work starts now. >> right now on "andrea mitchell reports" -- the debate begins -- after clearing the 60-vote hurdle, the fight over guns opens in the senate. as the newtown families spend a third day meeting face to face with lawmakers. >> we're here to demand action and demand that we receive a vote and that we are allowed to have some peace of mind that our loved ones didn't die for no reason. >> i think what was the game-changer in the minds of the american people saying enough is enough is what happened to those

beautiful babies up in sandy hook. look, joe, this is one of the cases where, where the public is so far ahead. of the elected officials. i mean so far ahead. you saw it in immigration, you saw it in marriage issues, you're seeing it now. the public has moved to a different place. >> dinner at the white house. president obama huddled with 12 republican senators last night. johnny isaacson of georgia was one of them and he gives us the dish. ready to fire? as north korea celebrates the anniversary of kim jong un's appointment to power, the united states and asia are on high alert for a possible missile launch. >> kim jong un has not been in power all that long, so we don't have an extended track record for him, like we did with his father and grandfather. so that's why we're watching it closely to see if what he's doing is consistent with past

patterns of north korean behavior. >> andrea mitchell joins us live from south korea with the latest. immigration nation, as thousands march in washington, we live the veil on who is funding the fight against immigration reform. plus, pay up, eh? with a case of molson in tow, canada's foreign minister settles his beer bet with secretary of state, john kerry after the u.s. women's hockey team topples arch rival canada for the world title. >> we're very, very happy, i'm delighted that the american team won the game, but i salute our great canadian friends, and extraordinary group of athletes on both sides, they make for a great competition and appreciate it and i particularly appreciate a man of his word. i want to make sure that everybody in america knows we're not going to go drink this now thank you, john, very much.

>> absolutely. when the senators beat the bruins. >> no. >> the only thing missing from that picture was the mckenzie brothers, good day, i'm chris cillizza live in washington, andrea continues to report overseas. first the two big stories we're watching out of washington today. the senate has just voted to open debate on president obama's gun control legislation. and the march to immigration reform continues. thousands rallied in the capital on wednesday, in support of a path to citizenship for the nation's 11 million undocumented immigrants. but what that path will look like is anyone's guess. as questions remain over border security, and work visas. democratic caucus chairman javier bacerra joins us tho tal about the action up on the little. let's start on guns, first, since it just happened. much of the action is in the senate. what is your thought, the senate

is moving to debate, which i guess counts as progress. they're moving to debate the gun control law. where do you think things stand? and what do you say to folks who are looking for what's next in this fight? >> well people stood up. and people came out in force throughout the country and said, we deserve a vote, as the president has said. and fortunately, chris, the senate listened, at least long enough to allow this to move forward to the debate. there's still an opportunity to play the game of the filibuster. require a very heavy vote in order to keep going all the way to get the bill passed out of the senate. and of course we have the house of representatives where we know republicans will have a harder time passing some of the things that the senate wants to do. but, hey, the most important thing is -- we got one vote, we build from here. everyone needs to get a little bit of courage and then let's get it done. >> congressman, how big a majority or bipartisan vote has to come out of the senate for the overall package on guns for it to have a real chance of

passing the republican-controlled house? >> well, clearly you have to have at least a 60 votes, because the republicans will play the filibuster game. to try to stop it and so 60 votes, not bad. there are most members of congress or the senate don't win re-election or election by 60%. that's a big vote that should be enough to tell the house of representatives, the american people want to get something done. the vice president has said it, i've been saying it for several years. the american people are way ahead of the politicians when this comes to things like gun safety and immigration. so hopefully those who got re-elected recently will listen to the american public. they want things to get done in a bipartisan manner. >> i want to switch subjects to immigration. this is something that's being litigated in the senate, the gang of eight in the senate. i'm interested in what you as a house member of leadership do as you're waiting. i understand you met with several of the people featured in david guggenheim's movie on immigration "the dream is now." can you tell me what you do,

what you can do right now as the senate mulls this immigration bill? >> i'll tell you not what we can do but what we are doing. remember in the house there are eight of us who are negotiating as well with our counterparts, four d's, four r's in the house. our negotiations have been going on in the senate a little quieter. but we're making progress as well. we're have to make sure that the special interests that always pop out, that don't want to see anything get done. when they begin to realize that hey, this may be real, they start to surface. and so what we're trying to do is just move past that and get a bill to the senate, to the house floor that can also pass. the film, "the dream is now" was so inspiring. you're talking about young americans, who have essentially succeeded in this country. they have blossomed. one individual is a premedical student. another individual would right now be in the marines if he could get into the marines.

he's got all the grades, all the attributes to get into the marines. he said as soon as i can, as soon as i can come out of the shadows, i'm in the marines. it's just part of what mangs this country so great. these kids will be america's future leaders. >> there's a lot of folks on the path to citizenship, how that plays out. but i want to ask you about border security. john mccain got into a heated back-and-forth yesterday about keeping the border secure with the head of border security for the united states are we focusing too much on the path to citizenship and not enough on border security as it relates to the chances of the bill actually passing the house of representatives. >> chris, i think the press is focusing a lot on this path to citizenship. everyone knows that's always been the tough nut to crack because republicans have been so against providing a lot of these families an opportunity to come out of the shadows. bipartisanally there's agreement we have to do something at the border and the workplace, to make sure that unscrupulous

employers aren't offering jobs that americans should take, to folks who have no right to work in this country. i don't think you're going to have an issue when it comes to border security, not only has the president been working for over four years to beef up our ability to enforce the borders. but bipartisanally we agree that we want to make sure we don't have a repeat of the same debate we're having today, about a broken immigration system in the future. we've got to fix it right and it means the border, the workplace and dealing in a real smart, tough, but sensible way with the undocumented who wish to try to show people that they've earned a chance to stay in this country. >> the key word in all of that, congressman, you mentioned -- bipartisan, we'll see if it holds. in north korea's capital, large crowds gathered to celebrate the one-year anniversary of kim jong un's ascendency to power, the pageantry and celebrations comes as the pyongyang regime warns they've put in coordinate force a missile launch on their

warheads, promising to create a sea of flames against its enemies. andrea mitchell is in seoul, south korea, where she's awaiting the arrival of secretary of state, john kerry. andrea, i want to get right to it. how imminent is this launch? we keep hearing that it's going to happen, they've put the codes in, they've moved the missile launcher into place. where are we? >> well, a lot of this is probably for show. most likely it would happen in daylight. as you can see, it's nighttime here in korea. but look, we don't know. and that is one of the most troubling things. there was an intelligence hearing, an assessment on the hill today on the house side. and jim clapper and john brennan were both testifying and general clapper, is who is the directsor of national intelligence said to their best judgment, he, kim jong un is trying to consolidate his power. one year in to his stepping up to power and becoming leader of the communist party, as well as the other titles that he had already assumed. but they think he's trying to show off to a domestic and an external audience.

trying to consolidate power. showing the world that he has these missiles. but they don't know what his intent is. is this just a replay of what his father and grandfather did? or is it a different kind of leader, because he is so young, so inexperienced and will he cross the line or provoke some sort of reaction, some sort of mistakes with all of these hundreds of thousands of soldiers lined up along the border, facing off against each other and that's another big concern. >> we've heard these bellicose threats from the north this is a sea of fire that they're going to rain down, these sorts of things. how do we differentiate? no one knows this better than you. how do we dish yat what you're talking about. the political positioning and the real possibility that this time north korea means business? >> first of all, u.s. intelligence is not very good on this subject. this is the most owe peek, her metically sealed society. that is a problem. we believe that this missile that has now been positioned on the east coast, it does not have a warhead on it. we don't think he yet has the

nuclear warheads that miniaturized inform. this is a a missile that could ra a vang of 2180 miles, he doesn't have long-range missiles, this is an intermediate-range missile. this could target japan or guam. we think it is aimed at dropping in the sea and from what we're hearing from the pentagon. is that they would shoot it down if it is headed to guam, if it's headed towards japan. if it is fired. but not if it's going to drop in the ocean. so that is the balance of response that the u.s. has so far weighed. >> now andrea, while you're talking, we showed some of these dog training videos they've been sending out, these viral videos they're sending out. is this show, is this something more? or maybe we just simply do not know and caution is the watch word? >> well caution and prevention and having the aegis destroyers with missile defense and having the additional missile defense prepositioned in guam. showing the b-2 z, the f-22s.

this is a real danger, there's no question about it. if he doesn't have it now, as chuck hagel, the defense secretary said, he'll have it soon. so the regime is dangerous, the only real options, interestingly that the foreign minister, lavrov of russia said as well, in meeting with john kerry yesterday in london, at a g-8 summit. china is the next step. all of the leaders gathered in london with kerry, he just left today from london, heading here. is that china has to do more than criticize north korea rhetorically, they have to start cutting off money. they have to start pressuring, they have to pick up the phone and say to the regime, say to the generals, whomever they talk to, the new leader of china has to exert himself against north korea and that's the message that john kerry will be bringing to beijing in two days. >> andrea mitchell, i can do my math, i know it's past midnight.

thanks for burning the midnight oil, i know you'll be back in the show later, thank you. >> you bet. up next in our daily fix, why immigration reform may be an easier sell on capitol hill than gun control. we'll dig into our brand new nbc news/"wall street journal" poll numbers. ♪ [ female announcer ] from more efficient payments. ♪ to more efficient pick-ups. ♪ wireless is limitless. ♪ from tracking the bus. ♪ to tracking field conditions. ♪ wireless is limitless.

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did not vote to end debate. there were two, mark begich and mark pryor, what do they have in common? >> they're both up in 2014. and they're both -- they don't just represent red states, rube red states. both mark pryor's state is moving quickly if a state ha was in state elections pretty rely bring democratic and moved to being in state elections and now moving a.

and begich was sort of an accident, winning during the old ted stevens business at the time and both are trying to survive. >> it's not just, they're not just like states that vote for mitt romney. these are states where guns are a fabric of the culture. >> that's right. >> they're both heavy rural states. i've got a logger, an uncle who is a logger in arkansas. it takes 30 minutes for the authorities. everybody owns a gun in these rural areas, for protection, you need to. alaska is the same way. it is sort of a way of life. it is a cultural string here and you know, in an odd way, mark pryor and begich, they may look forward to this. >> why? because they get to cast a whole bumplg of no votes did makes them be able to identify themselves as hey, i'm not with the rest of them. >> let's talk about nbc/"wall street journal" poll. it paints two different roads for the issues we're talking

about, guns and immigration. the paths to passage, at least as told in this poll are very different. >> they are. you look at guns, you asked the basic question, you ask, should the laws be more or less strict? the majority, 55% say more strict. down from the 61% right after newtown. >> and 4% say less strict. but when you break it down by party, it gives you what i call the percentage of chances of passage in the house and the senate. 82% of democrats, want it more strict. well that's about probably i think something can come out of the senate, something. there's a good 82% chance of that. only 20% of republicans want laws more strict. that's probably the percentage chance that john boehner has of bringing it up. immigration, a whole different story, the big sticking point i believe will be path to citizenship. is it amnesty or not. path to citizenship. when you ask the basic question, should there be a path to citizenship for the folks here,

that are not documented? a majority believe it's so. but a majority of republicans are against it. but then when you add -- the caveats, they'll pay a fine. they'll get into the back of the line, there will be a background check. they have to learn english. well then republican support goes up. there's -- there's no way that that a bill would -- it has to have it. >> i think it's this, the emotion has been taken out of the immigration debate. we're not there, whenever a motion is involved in a political debate, it actually becomes more polarized. >> we're not there on guns. >> i feel like emotion is really calmed down. and that means they can get it done. >> we focus on guns, passing in the senate. but the house as you point out, a much tougher lift. >> do they take it up? do they feel compelled to take it up? >> you need a big vote. chuck todd, thanks for being our guest. >> reaction from the white house on today's senate action on the gun bill, domestic policy adviser cecelia munoz is next on "andrea mitchell reports." mr. w.

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president obama called the families of newtown victims after today's senate vote to congratulate them. but the white house is still urging caution. >> there is still work to be done. this was simply while very important, a first stage in an effort to get sensible common sense legislation that would reduce gun violence in america, while protecting americans' second amendment rights. >> scecelia munoz is director o the white house council and assistant to the president. i want to ask about president obama's calls to some of the newtown families. can you share a little bit about why he did it and how the conversations went? >> well, the president was in connecticut on monday and some of the families flew back with him on air force one. and they've been, making the rounds, making visits, with incredible courage, telling their stories. and that has really been a

powerful, powerful moment in this debate. it had impact on getting to the vote we saw today, we had a bipartisan vote. we've had a bipartisan deal coming together. i think the president feels stronger that the newtown families and their great courage played an important role in making that happen. he wanted to thank them for that and wanted them to see the results they're producing because it has been such an extraordinary thing to watch them do. >> the vote to begin debate, the vote to sort of open the debate process on the gun bill got 16 republicans, 68 total votes, are you surprised it got that many? and number two, ha does it mean if anything for this broader and longer debate that we expect to come over the next days and weeks. >> well, i have to say we weren't surprised by that. because we know this san issue, especially the question of background checks that has 90% support in the public and we know that people really respond when they think about this as parents. that's been one of the lessons

of the tragedy at newtown. is that we can make progress on this issue. we can work in a bipartisan way. lts bipartisan deal on background checks reflects that, hopefully it signals we can get to a bipartisan result. at the end of the day, what matters is what gets to the president's desk so we can bring some common-sense reforms to this issue. >> today matters, but the long-term is what matters more. this is what i wanted to ask you about, jay carney, the white house press secretary cautioned this is a good first step but we're not there yet. who do you as a white house, how does the president of the united states, how does he insure that the 68 votes today, mean 60 votes of what would eventually comes up as the final bill, whatever that looks like. what role does he in the white house have to play on that? >> well what you've seen is this president giving it his all since the newtown tragedy occurred. he's been to connecticut several times, he's met with the

families. you saw involvement by the first lady this week. the vice president did a round table this morning on msnbc. you see the president and administration giving it our all. making sure we're urging bipartisan support. trying to work in bipartisan a way as possible, and to get to the best possible result. we believe the american people are asking for common-sense reforms, things like background checks, improving school safety. making trafficking, making sure that there's strong penalties for trafficking of guns. we're going to try to make, come to a result that's as strong as possible because that's what we think the american people deserve. it's certainly what the parents of newtown are asking for. >> cecelia munoz, thanks for joining us. >> thank you. the state of the immigration debate. what to watch for as the house and senate try to hammer out a deal. and what really happened during last night's dinner at the white house, georgia senator johnny isaacson was at the table and he joins us next, you're

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foxholes under enemy fire, refusing to leave the field of battle, to instead care for the wounded, he was captured and died in captivity at a chinese hospital. as the senate moves forward with the fracture tuesday debate over gun control. senators are crafting a bipartisan immigration proposal that they hope will face less opposition in congress once that plan is finally unveiled next week. joining me to talk about it "u.s.a. today's" immigration reporter and the national editor of the cook political report. okay, allen, this is an issue, dare i say it, that has been since the election, quite bipartisan. do we expect it to continue? we're now getting down to it. they're expected to release a bill next week? >> part of the reason you're seeing such a long delay, first they said march, now early april, now getting into may. when they start actually voting on the bill. but it's going along. you know these eight original senators that signed up for this thing, they're still in there. they're trying to file this

thing either tomorrow or it looks like more like early next week. still hanging in. >> that's a key point. is that marco rubio is still in the room, right? the way that you know these negotiations break down is when people start peeling off. so marco rubio is still in the room. reasonable to think that we are actually the ball is, if it's moving slowly, still moving in the right direction on immigration reform? >> i think it is, and the next question is what does it look like when it gets to the house. that's the bigger question for both guns and immigration was how does john boehner handle both of these very contentious issues? remember at least in the senate you have these coalitions on these issues that represent either swing states or states that you know, may be more divided equally divided in terms of partisanship. once you get to the house, you've got a caucus that sits in incredibly republican red states and increasingly most republicans now, they sit in districts that are very white. >> and what they have to worry about is not a general election, it's a primary and true for

democrats. i want to put up some numbers, we've been comparing immigration versus guns. nbc/"wall street journal" poll, among republicans 47% support a path to citizenship. 27% of republicans support stricter gun laws. that would suggest path to immigration reform, more likely or at least easier than path on gun control. fair? >> relatively speaking. >> right. neither easy. 47% is not 87%. >> but at the same time, the trouble is going to be like she was talking about, when you get into some of these house districts, there are some folks in the house that are not going to vote for this because of the path -- >> under any circumstances? >> right. so you've got to overcome that there's all sorts, when you talk about border security, how much we're securing the border. when you start getting into those ideas, you're going to start losing a few of those. it's going to be collections some republicans, a lot of democrats to get anything like that passed through the house.

>> so amy, we know that the broad majority, if there's a path to citizenship, the vast majority of house republicans are not going to vote for it. but they do need some. who are the some? who are the people who are in the mix? >> well i actually looked at this based on the -- >> i'm just setting you up. we found there are 23 republicans who voted for bills that the majority of republicans did not. sandy funding, violence against women act and the fiscal cliff. those are the same 23 and there are people we all expect, they're northeast republicans, the handful of them that are left. they're those republicans, some of whom like tom cole, who likes -- >> from oklahoma. >> who is more of a traditional moderate, or more establishment, those are the folks that you're going to see moving on that bill. and you don't need more than those 23 or 24. if you get enough, if you get those democrats to sign on. >> allen, do we know the

politics for john boehner here with immigration? we three times he has let a bill pass without the majority of the majority, this is the hastert rule named after the former speaker. is immigration reform going to have to be one of those, if it's going to pass the house? >> i think we're talking about, i think you're going to need to get into that area. when you think about the politics for boehner, right after, this group came together in the senate right after the election. and when mccain and rubio and those guys were announcing they had come to this agreement, they were all very clear that this was due to the elections that they were really pushing this thing. on the national scale, the party realizes that they have to do a better job of reaching out to this very fast-growing electorate. so they understand this is a big step in that direction. whether boehner is viewing it that way, whether he's looking at individual houses -- >> his politics are not about 2016, about what the party looks like. his politics are can i get re-elected as speaker. >> 71%. the percentage of hispanics that

barack obama got. last night this dinner, bunch of republican senators this is not first time they've done this. is this pure symbolism. does this matter? >> listen, i think it matters in terms of for the electorate, i think it matters. to show that yes, washington can actually get along at some point. >> they can eat dinner together. >> they can eat dinner without stabbing each other with forks. it's noticeable that johnny isaacson who was leading this, the senator from georgia also was one of the folks who voted for cloture, right, on the gun bill. >> one of 16 republicans. >> so i think that's a hopeful sign. the thing that i'm noticing right now, what you have is both sides viewing the president and the white house very warily. house democrats concerned that the house is going to try to triangulate them. and we're setting democrats up really for the president's own legacy. and republicans who believe that

the president is setting them up for the fall. that he's going to put all of this immigration reform and then pull out the rug. >> so then lucy, charlie brown and the football is what they're worried about. >> alan gomez, amy walter, thank you. did republican lawmakers sitting across from president obama at last night's dinner like what they heard? georgia senator, johnny isaacson organized last night's dinner and he joins us, let's talk about. i put this question to amy walter. i want to get your thought. a dinner is not an agreement on policy on debt, immigration, gun control. what can a dinner do and what did last night's dinner do, in your opinion? >> well, it's a building block for a foundation to try to get to a solution to the big problems our country has, our debt, our deficit, our entitlements, our tax structure. all of those issues are up in the air. you've got to begin by talking and building a foundation where you can find common ground this was one meeting, one small step

in a long journey. a meaningful meeting. it was a good meeting and a good dialogue with the president. >> now some republicans, not yourself. but some republicans said, too little, too late. the president spent the entire 2012 election. demonizing the republican point of view. one dinner coming after that election, when he's already been assured a second term doesn't do anything. i assume since you sheerheaded this dinner, you disagree. tell me why and why you believe there is opportunity as you talk about for real compromise on these issues. >> well first of all, the president called me and asked me to put together 12 republicans to have dinner. it was at his initiative. that's number one. number two, i don't know about you, but if i was president of the united states and i was hourly trying to meet with the other side, i wouldn't be doing it just for show, that doesn't make any sense. i think he's hoping he can find a way to have a dialogue that can get us to some point in time where we can make some agreement on some of these big problems. if you don't try, you'll never know. so i think it's a sincere effort. >> congressman, senator, former congressman, now senator, i don't want to demote you.

i want to ask you about guns. this morning you said you were waiting to hear more before offering a more definite opinion on the toomey/mansion deal on background checks and where you would come down on it. i know you met at 10:00 a.m. to get more briefed on it. where do you feel for yourself, where are you going to come down on this amendment? it's going to be the first amendment offered to expand background checks on guns. >> well i'm always going to come down where i think the majority of people in my state are. the majority of people in the state think we ought to have this debate. which is why i voted for cloture. i doubt i'll vote for the end product, but you guys are asking us to make a commitment on a product we don't know yet. there will be an open amendment process. i'm for protecting the second amendment rights of all georgians to lawfully be able to buy and bear arms. >> 16 senators voted for cloture to end unlimited debate start debate on the gun law on the floor of the senate. a majority of the senate

conference voted against cloture. is that a mistake in vote by the likes of ted cruz, rand paul in terms of trying to show the american public, the republican party is serious about this issue in the wake of newtown? >> i've learned a long time ago if i start editorializing some other senators' opinion or what they did i make a big mistake. everybody will have to judge that for themselves, i think there's no ambivalence in the united states senate on the gun issue. everybody in the senate has had to deal with it in their career, it's a debate that needs to take place and to slow or dpoer stall the debate depart make any sense to me. >> congressman, senator, i've got you, i remember covering you as a congressman. senator, i want to ask you one other thing quickly about the senate race, your colleague, saxby chambliss is retiring, are you going to endorse somebody in that race? >> the reason they have primaries is so the people of georgia who want to vote, can pick who the nominee of the republican party is going to be. i'm not going to try to play king maker i'm going to let the

people of georgia make that decision. i'm going to miss my dear friend saxby, we've been friends since we entered the university of georgia 51 years ago. he's done a fantastic job, georgia is going to miss him. >> senator johnny isaacson of georgia, thank you for taking the time. next, following the money trail. a look at the money and the methods being used to oppose immigration reform. this is "andrea mitchell reports," it is only on msnbc. ♪ ♪ ♪ (vo) purina cat chow. 50 years of feeding great relationships.

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>> beck's got a blunt message for the country's 11 million documents zlxt. >> you need to get your affairs in order and go home. >> a position that mitt romney picked up in last year's election. >> if people don't get work here, they're going to self-deport. >> we were jumping on that bandwagon, yeah. i think the phrase is not the best phrase. >> it was the phrase you used. >> it's fine. beck and numbers usa are a the spearhead of a network of groups with names like f.a.i.r. that have spent 100 million to reshape policies restricting immigration. >> every bill in congress has been drafted by these groups or has been strongly advocated for by these groups. >> all three groups were founded with help from a controversial michigan doctor and environmentalist, john tanton. who in this 1993 memo wrote, for european american society and culture to persist, require as

european american majority and a clear one at that. tanton was unavailable for comment due to health problems. beck, who once worked as an editor for tanten, strongly denies any racial motivations. there's no better investigative reporter in this country than michael isikoff. he joins me now. mike, fascinating. we spend so much time talking about the nra and their lobbying power on guns this tells a story about immigration. >> numbers usa, acts in some ways a lot like the nra. they grade members of congress on how they vote every matter that touches on immigration. they run attack ads to those members who don't, who might deviate from the line. right now they've got a $200,000 buy against lindsay graham in south carolina. >> who is worried about a primary. >> i did talk to graham's office yesterday. graham's comment is they can spend all the money they want. i'm not backing down. look, they've been very influential in the past.

in fact in numbers usa has been credited with blocking george, president george w. bush's immigration reform proposal in 2007. whether they can move the needle like that this time is still an open question. >> a political tide after 2012. the other question i have is always the question i have with these groups, how much you mentioned a $200,000 buy against lindsay graham. how much are you able to follow how much money is coming in and out of these groups and from who? >> they're all 501 c-4's, 501 c-3's we did an analysis that showed that $100 million over a ten-year period for those three groups, which work together on this issue. 36 million dollars, single-largest source came from something called the kolcom foundation. >> $36 million? >> yes.

the founded by the late sister of melon scaif, a big donor to conservative causes, it's cast often in environmental terms and population terms. you go to that foundation's website and they call themselves a conservationist group. they put this very much in the perspective of more immigrants means more threat, greater threat to the environment, greater threat to overpopulation. greater threat on infrastructure. >> it's a moving target. right now numbers usa is using the economic argument at other times they've used the environmental argument. >> there is no better investigative reporter in the country -- >> and there's no better subhost for the "andrea mitchell reports" show. what political story will make political headlines in the next 24 hours, next on "andrea mitchell reports." ♪ pop goes the world [ female announcer ] pop in a whole new kind of clean

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which political story will make headlines in the next 24 hours? as promised, andrea is back with us live in seoul. secretary of state john kerry will be on the ground tomorrow. tell us about his schedule and what we should expect. >> well, he will hit the ground running immediately going to be meeting with the foreign minister and then with the new president, president park. she is the first woman leader here. she is under a tremendous amount of pressure. she was only just sworn in. some speculation about why he has been so belligerent is to put the pressure on her and to be really tough. he has been very disparaging, not only using sexist language to demean her but really offensive language in korean against her. so really trying to put her on the spot. and one of the concerns has been if something terrible were to happen like what north korea did three years ago in sinking a

south korean ship with hundreds of casualties and fatalities, that we could not persuade the south koreans not to respond. not to retaliate as we did three years ago. that this new president, president park, would in fact feel that she had to take action. so that is part of the calculation here. that secretary kerry is coming to shore her up. to reassure her and then go on to tokyo and talk to the japanese also who are right in that missile trajectory if he were to launch, the north koreans were to launch, and then go to beijing. that's a very big deal. that will be saturday in beijing. >> i want to ask you because you're there on the streets, i see it behind you, this is diplomatic talks. what is the feeling in south korea among the people there? is there an awareness? is there a concern? a panic? how are people treating this latest threat? >> i would say awareness, some concern. certainly not panic. but president park did meet with

business leaders today and was reassuring them that foreign investment is a good bet here. this is a booming economy. they have been really leading the region. and the question now is, fear among some south koreans that business would begin to flee if they felt this would become a lot war, not a cold war. so they are taking steps. but no, there's no panic, no anxiety that one can determine, parachuting in as we do. but among my colleagues here, richard engel and others are all saying no there isn't. except as you get closer to the islands and the dmz. we are only 30, 35 miles away. so they certainly know the entire country is vulnerable, as are 28,500 u.s. troops. and if there were hostilities, you know that america would be all in and that that would be a real issue because our troops are certainly right here defending the south koreans if it becomes necessary.

>> absolutely. the hardest woman in the news business. andrea mitchell, get some sleep. thank you. >> you're doing the hard stuff. you're anchoring. >> that does it for this edition of her show, "andrea mitchell reports." i'm chris cillizza. remember to follow the show online and on the twitter machine @mitchellreports. my colleague tamron hall has a look at what's next. >> coming up, following news out of texas. at least two people killed when a charter bus headed to casino overturns on a busy texas highway. now one of the state's top trauma centers said it is prepared for a mass casualty event. plus on guns, the senate clears the first hurdle to beat back a filibuster. kelly o'donnell reports. many republicans voted in support including a few surprises. we'll dig deep into that. and we'll go live to the white house as the president

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