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use the ford service credit card. did you tell him to say all of that? no, he's right though... hi, everyone. i'm tamron hall. we're following capitol hill. let the debate begin. the senate holding the first vote on gun control legislation in a decade. >> i believe the government should focus on keeping firearms out of the hands of criminals and those with mental issues that could cause them to be a threat to our society. the government should not punish or harass law-abiding citizens in the exercise of their second amendment rights. >> we can all agree criminals and those adjudicated as mentally ill should not buy firearms. why should we not try to plug the loopholes in the laws that allow them to buy guns without
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background checks? stand up and be counted. >> is the senate easily cleared the 60-vote threshold to open debate on the gun control bill. the final tally, 68-31. this despite the nra's warning last night that it would rate lawmakers on procedural votes. something they don't normally do in the end. many republicans voted to move forward with the will including some surprises and plans of a gop filibuster ultimately failed. the white house welcomed today's development but stressed that this is only the beginning of what will be a long process. >> there is still work to be done. this was simply while very important, a first stage in an effort to get sensible common sense legislation that would reduce gun violence in america while protecting americans' second amendment rights, signed into law. >> kelly o'donnell has been informing it all for us from capitol hill with the details. so before we get to the next step in the process ahead, let's
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look back on what happened a few hours ago. i know you noted in your report that there were some surprises as it relates to republicans. break it all down for us. >> if you look at what has happened with there issue in just a matter of days, it really is starting when you consider the time clock of capitol hill. it wasn't long ago when there was an expectation that any bill related to this could not move forward because there was even enough opposition among democrats who are up for re-election next year. and now with the involvement of newtown families and others who have survived or had loved ones involved in gun violence, there has been a level of political pressure that has had significant impact. so early today, top aides were telling me, maybe they would get 62 votes. 60 was needed. and that's a big victory. but instead they got six more. that might not sound like a lot. it is a big deal in capitol hill terms. why? a number of republicans, 16 in all, voted for this move to step forward with the debate.
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let me be clear. many of them might not vote in the end to support any new restrictions but they said, it is an issue that should be debated. deep red states like georgia, both senators voted to move forward. tennessee another deep red state, both senators voted to move forward. and we have not been certain that would happen. we thought maybe three, four, five republicans, 16, a pretty big number. >> all right. thank you very much. >> let me bring in senator richard blumenthal who was with the newtown families today on the hill. thank you for joining us today. >> to kelly's point, you have some republicans who voted to have the debate continue but may ultimately in the end not support this legislation. one of them may be senator bob cork he, republican from tennessee. i want to read what he said following the proceedings. he said i don't understand why any senator would not want to debate these issues but in the end, i will not support any legislation that violates our second amendment rights. what is your reaction to as
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kelly pointed out, a few more republicans than first believed, getting on board for a debate on this bill. >> i'm going to be talking to my friends like bob corker and making the case as strongly and persuasively as possible that there is nothing, absolutely nothing in this bill that even comes close to violating second amendment rights. we're not taking away anyone's guns. we're not bridging anyone's right to hunt or target shoot. and the united states supreme court says that everyone has a right to possess firearms, just not all firearms. and without a background check. so all we're doing is banning illegal trafficking and straw purchases and providing stronger means to school safety. >> as i mentioned, you've met with the newtown families. the white house released a picture a short time ago. we may be able to show that to you. the president calling newtown
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families as well today. do you believe, sir, writ not for these families showing up on capitol hill, the way they did, flying from connecticut to washington, d.c. with the president and also, standing there reading the names of their loved ones and what they were calling their own filibuster, do you believe that is the reason this filibuster was averted? >> the newtown families really played a remarkable, maybe unprecedented role in this debate. i met with them off and on over this period. of course, i've come to know them over these last four months, very, very closely. truly extraordinary strength and courage to have borne this loss and now make it their life's work to save others from similar losses has really impressed and turned the tide in this debate. remember that just four months ago, gun violence was thought to
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be untouchable politically. just four days ago. we thought that 60 votes were unreachable. and these families being here, looking them in the eye and asking for their vote has played a profoundly significant role. >> there are a number of articles and analysts say who say those fighting for gun control legislation should not, if you will, get ahead of themselves. you have support from some republicans, perhaps your colleagues in the senate. but once we look at the house, we know that it is a different dynamic. we know that those individuals are playing to their constituen constituents. many are in districts in solid red and they're not in threat or jeopardy if they vote against this legislation. what do you believe the odds from the senate to the house that we will see this legislation in its form, not watered down? >> this fight is up-hill. no question that the odds are always against gun measures, even the most responsible common
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sense measures. but again, this fight today was thought unwinnable just a few days ago. when the president came to connecticut and my focus right now is exclusively and solely and very energetically on the united states senate. we'll worry about the house in the next step. what we have going for us is not only the newtown families but the majority of american people. 90% want common sense measures. in the end, the american people are on the right side of history. >> quickly, i would like to hear from you what you believe can change the game or the dynamic that would convince republican colleagues of yours to support this legislation. and i asked that because you've pointed out, you have the polling on your side. yesterday i saw in an interview with a newtown family member who said they met with one of the senators opposing this legislation. and they spoke respectfully to one another. in the end, they left again with the same opinions they went into the room. she wanted gun control legislation and the lawmaker she
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spoke with was still standing where he was and seeing there as a violation of someone's second amendment rights. what can you say that would persuade a republican who is not willing. >> what i say, if their constituents speak from them, if they hear from an organized and galvanized constituency, and if they listen to their consciouses. so many of my colleagues are wrestling with this issue because they know what the right thing to do is. and they are really making a very tough decision about what they can say to their home states as they go back. if they listen to their constituents and they realize that we are breaking the strangle hold of those special interests like the nra that have imposed such a threatening and intimidating force in the past. >> senator richard blumenthal. thank you for your time. i greatly appreciate it. joining me now, politico
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reporter, a "washington post" writer, and jonathan capehart. you heard me ask what can be said. we've been talking about these polls. they indicated, especially when it comes to background checks. they have not wanted to go on camera even. what can be said at this point to persuade republican think in the house and even maybe like senator corker who see this as a violation of second amendment rights? >> i think time will help in terms of the folks pushing for more gun control legislation. getting these bills passed, or these amendments attached and passed to a bill. i spoke with the senate democratic aide, a member of leadership who said that the decision by rand paul and ted cruz and mike leach announced almost two weeks ago that they would filibuster the vote at the outset really helped them in terms of giving them time to
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prepare for this. mobilize the families, get the president out there. a lot of this may have been underway regardless but it really mobilized, they believe, in their favor that time that they had to do that. and push some republicans they believe in their direction. so given that this is going to be several weeks of debate, time may be on their side. >> but to carrie's point, as those families mobilize, the nra is doing something it has never done. it is scoring procedural votes. as one side is lining up, so is the nra. the heritage foundation said yesterday, it will score in a sense, sending out, dare i say, a warning shot to lawmakers in those conservative parts of the country that they are watching just as the newtown families are watching. >> yeah. the nra in particular, they haven't stood down since newtown happened. you remember wayne lapierre of the nra and his response to newtown which was quite frankly insulting to a lot of people and
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stunning to just about everyone who was watching. with this bill going from the senate once it has been debated and voted on and goes to the house, that's where the real hard part begins as the senator was saying before. you've got members of congress, as you alluded to, in bright red districts who might be worried about a primary challenge if they could something related to gun control. you've got the nra which is watching very carefully what these members of congress do. but they are also going to be in the halls, helping to write the legislation that the house will end up voting on. and there might be some people in congress who are so craven as to not want to vote for gun control legislation because that would be a victory for the president, rather than a victory for victims of gun violence. >> i want to play a little of what joe manchin and pat toomey said on "morning joe."
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>> i know this does nothing to infringe the rights of law-abiding citizens. if it did, i wouldn't be for it. >> we are assuring them them as nra members, a sportsman all my life, this bill doesn't allow government infringement. it takes none of your rights away. >> carrie, right after newtown, people said someone like a joe manchin would have to step up. someone who has street cred with the nra. same with pat toomey. both of them with an "a" rating. does it surprise people that two nra backed lawmakers are being dismissed in this way by the nra? it just seems as though this is a non-negotiable issue for the nra and they don't care who the faces of this legislation are. >> they have certainly made that clear in the last 24 hours coming out against it. they decided these interest groups in washington score the
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votes of lawmakers in washington. that affects their "a" rating. they decided not to score the vote today and that's why we may have seen more republicans, many with "a" ratings, voting for it. however when these next steps come up, the manchin-toomey will be scored and it won't be as easy, certainly. that's why thepour of the nra is so important in terms of the equation of this debate. you're right, we've long looked at a deal between manchin and a conservative republican. someone who clearly has strong conservative credentials. that was supposed to be the thing that broke the log jam in washington. give some democratic senators from red states some cover. and i don't think we're quite seeing that breakthrough as of right now and there is a lot of skepticism about whether those red state democrats and others will follow toomey's lead. >> it leads me to wonder. would we then need to see one of the republican senators say
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enough, take my card back, nra. you're not reasonable. you're not willing to compromise here. we've made accommodations. for example, with person to person sales. someone can give their family member the gun if they so choose. hunters as well. not affected by this. will we need to see one of these republican lawmakers or an nra backed democrat say thank you but here's my card. you're unwilling to compromise. you are being an obstructionist to someone who is an issue to public safety. >> that would require leadership. so yes, it might take something that dramatic to sort of break the log jam and perhaps give cover to another members of the republican party in the senate, to do the right thing and vote for measures that would reduce gun violence. that is requiring a lot. the nra as we've been talking about, all three of us mentioned the power of the nra. not just in the scoring but the
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money they provide and the money they provide to potential challengers for not just republican members of the senate or the house but also democrats. >> and quickly, i want to ask you. the celebration and the democrats and those looking for gun change hold off, because what we may see as a result of the amendment. what have you heard behind the scenes? >> there is a lot of concerns with democrats about poison pills as they call them on the hill. amendments that can be brought up and offered by republican that's could get enough support from conservative democrats. and something on concealed carry that would require states to honor the concealed carry laws in other states. that would be if that passed with the help of some democrats, led by republicans, that would kill the prospects in the senate, given that it is democratic controlled. not only on an amendment by amendment basis. but in the end, getting off the
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bill to a majority vote will be extraordinarily difficult. >> thank you very much. jonathan, it is great to see you. >> we're following developing news from the white house. any minute now, the president will posthumously award the medal of honor. the nation's highest military honor to an army chaplain who died as a prisoner of war during the korean war. also, the captain is also being considered for sainthood. we'll tell you more about his incredible life, his journey and what at the for other soldiers during that war. coming up. plus, a deal on immigration reform is expected to be finalized in the coming days. and our first read team says it has a better chance of passing than gun control. this was the scene yesterday on capitol hill. might we see more of this kind of turnout? we have the results of our nbc news poll regarding immigration. you can join our conversation on twitter. you can find me @tamronhall. more than two years ago,
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welcome back. we're going to take you to the white house where a live event is taking place. an extraordinary event. president obama is preparing to posthumously award captain emil kapaun the medal of honor. an incredible story. this is a man who went from being a priest in rural kansas to a prisoner of war in korea. it is an incredible thing that not only is he or his family about to receive this honor, but he is also a candidate for sainthood in the roman catholic church. the president will present the nation's highest honor to kapaun. his next of kin. he was an army chaplain who showed extraordinary bravery during the korean war.
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both on the battlefield and while he was a prisoner of war at a camp there. and he lost his life at that camp. the stories that you read from many of these men who are now in their 80s about his heroism and how he cared for them while they were prisoners of war, not only touching but inspirational. he saw several battles during the war. and according to people, each one, he would run to the side of a wounded soldier despite his own worries. his own fears, he would be there at their side. one individual told a story how they were surrounded by chinese soldiers and kapaun, this chaplain, refused to leave the fallen americans. and he was captured himself, november 2nd, 1950. let's listen in to the president and this event. >> let us pray. >> almighty god from whom we come, to whom we belong. this day revives in us memories of a faithful servant and a
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loyal patriot whose memory is a blessing forever. his ministry and specially complexity of front line combat, chaplain emil kapaun contended against evil and reverendly searched freedom's cost. giving up himself for the welfare of those whom he called his boys. we are humbled, oh, god, by the strength and honor of a chaplain who often appeared from nowhere during combat operations and remained only long enough to perform his duties before moving on, praying for souls as the battle raged. we bestow our nation's highest honors upon chaplain kapaun. may his legacy nurture our nation and our army and inspire us to serve with steadfast hearts which no unworthy thought can drag usson ward. with unconquering hearts which no tribulation can wear out. with upright hearts which no
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unworthy purpose may tempt aside. this we ask and pray in your holy name, amen. >> good afternoon, everybody. please, have a seat. on behalf of michelle and myself, welcome to the white house. thank you, chaplain. this year we mark the 60th anniversary of the end of the korean war. a time when thousands of our prisoners of war finally came home after years of starvation and hardship and in some cases, torture. and among the homecomings, one stood out. a group of our p.o.w.s emerged carrying a large wooden crucifix. nearly four feet tall. they had spent months on it, secretly collecting firewood, carving it, the cross and the body, using radio wire for a
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crown of thorns. it was a tribute to their friend, their chaplain, their fellow prisoner, who had touched their souls and saved their lives. father emil kapaun. this is an amazing story. father kapaun has been called a shepherd in combat boots. his fellow soldiers who felt his grace and his mercy called him a saint. a blessing from god. today we bestow another title on him. recipient of our nation's highest military decoration, the medal of honor. after more than six decades of working to make this medal a reality, i know one of father kapaun's comrades spoke for a lot of folks here when he said, it's about time.
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father, as they called him, was just 35 years old when he died in that hellish prison camp. his parents and his only sibling, his brother, are no longer with us. but we are extremely proud to welcome members of the kapaun family, his nephews, his niece, their children, two of whom currently serve in this country's national guard. and we are very proud of them. we're also joined by members of the kansas congressional delegation, leaders from across our armed forces and representatives from the catholic church which recognizes father kapaun as a servant of god. and we are truly humbled to be join by men who served alongside him. veterans and former p.o.w.s from the korean war. thank you.
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>> now, obviously i never met father kapaun but i have a sense of the man he was. because in his story, i see reflections of my own grandparents and their values, the people who helped to raise me. emil and my grandfather were both born in kansas about the same time. both were raised in small towns outside wichita. they were part of that greatest generation, surviving the depression, joining the army, serving in world war ii. and they embodied those heartland values of honesty and hard work, decency and humility, quiet heroes determined to do
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their part. for father kapaun, this meant becoming an army chaplain. serving god and country. after the communist invasion of south korea, he was among the first american troops that hit the beaches and pushed their way north through hard mountains and bitter cold. in his understated midwestern way, he wrote home saying, this outdoor life is quite a thing. and i prefer to live in a house once in a while. but he had hope saying, it looks like the war will end soon. that's when chinese forces entered the war with a massive surprise attack. perhaps 20,000 soldiers pouring down on a few thousand americans. in the chaos, dodging bullets and explosions, father kapaun raced between fox holes, outpast the front lines, and into no
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man's land, dragging the wounded to safety. when his commanders ordered an evacuation, he chose to stay. gathering the injured. tending to their wounds. when the enemy broke through and the combat was hand to hand, he carried on. comforting the injured and the dying, offering some measure of peace as they left this earth. when enemy forces bore down, it seemed like the end. these wounded americans, more than a dozen of them, would be gunned down. but father kapaun spotted a wounded chinese officer. he pleaded with this chinese officer and convinced him to call out to his fellow chinese. the shooting stopped and they negotiated a safe surrender, saving those american lives. then as father kapaun was being
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led away, he saw another american, wound, unable to walk, laying in a ditch, defenseless. an enemy soldier was standing over him. rifle aimed at his head ready to shoot. and father kapaun marched over and pushed the enemy soldier aside. and then as the soldier watched, stunned, father kapaun carried that wound american away. this is the valor we honor today. an american soldier who didn't fire a gun but who wielded the mightiest weapon of all. the love for his brothers so pure that he was willing to die so they might live. and yet the incredible story of father kapaun does not end there. he carried that injured american four miles as their captors forced them on a death march. when father kapaun grew tired, he helped the wounded soldier
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hop on one leg. when other prisoners stumbled, he picked them up. when they wanted to quit knowing stragglers would be shot, he begged them to keep walking. in the camps that winter deep in the valley, men could freeze to death in their sleep. father kapaun offered them his own clothes. they starved on tiny rations of millet and corn and bird seed. he somehow snuck past the guards, foraged in nearby fields and returned with rice and potatoes. in desperation, some men hoarded food. he convinced them to share. their bodies were ravaged by dysentery. he grabbed some rocks, pounded metal into pots and boiled clean water. they lived in filth. he washed their clothes and he
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cleansed their wounds. the guards ridiculed his devotion to his savior and the almighty. they took his clothes and made him stand in the freezing cold for hours, yet he never lost his faith. if anything, it only grew stronger. at night, he slipped into hits to lead prisoners in prayer. saying the rosary, administering the sacraments, offering three simple words. god bless you. one of them later said that with his very presence, he could just for a moment turn a mud hit into a cathedral. that spring he went further. he held an easter service. i just met with the kapaun family. they showed me something extraordinary. the actual stole, the purple vestment that he wore when he celebrated mass inside that prison camp.
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as the sun rose that easter sunday, he put on that purple stoll and led dozens of prisoners to the ruins of an old church in the camp and he read from a prayer that he had hidden. he read from a crucifixion that he made from sticks. as the guards washed, father kapaun and all those prisoners, men of different faith, perhaps some men of no faith, sang the lord's prayer and america the beautiful. they sang so loud that other prisoners across the camp not only heard them, they joined in, too. filling that valley with song and with prayer. that faith that they might be delivered from evil, that they could make it home was perhaps the latest gift to those men. that even amidst such hardship and despair, there could be hope. amid their misery in the
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temperal, they could see truths eternal. that even in hell there could be a touch of the divine. looking back, one of them said that's what kept a lot of us alive. yet for father kapaun, the howific conditions took their toll. thin, frail, he began to limp. the blood clot in his leg, then came dysentery, then pneumonia. that's when the guards saw their chance to finally rid themselves of this priest and the hope he inspired. they came for him and over the protests and tears of the men who loved him, the guards sent him to a death house. a hell hole with no food or water to be left to die. and yet even then his faith held firm. i'm going to where i've always wanted to go, he told his brothers. and when i get up there, i'll say a prayer for all of you.
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and then as he was taken away, he did something remarkable. he blessed the guards. forgive them, he said, for they know not what they do. two days later in that house of death, father kapaun breathed his last breath. his body was taken away. his grave unmarked. his remains unrecovered to this day. the war and the awful captivity would drag on for another two years but these men held on. steeled by the memory and moral example of the man they called father. and on their first day of freedom, in his honor, they carried that beautiful wooden crucifix with them. some of these men are here today, including herb miller, the soldier that father kapaun saved in that ditch and then
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>> i'm told that in their darkest hours in the camp, in that valley, these men turned to song. as we prepare for the presentation of the medal of honor, to father kapaun's nephew ray, i want to leave you with the words to that song which sustained you all those years ago. even though i walk in the valley of the shadow of death, i will fear no evil, for you are with me. your rod and your staff, they comfort me. you prepare a table for me in the presence of my enemies. you anoint my head with oil. my cup overflows. surely your goodness and love will follow me all the days of my life and i will dwell in the house of the lord forever.
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ray, would you please join me on stage for the reading of the citation. >> the president of the united states of america authorized by act of congress, march 3rd, 1863, has awarded in the name of congress the medal of honor to chaplain emil j. kapaun, united states army for conspicuous. distinguished himself by acts of gallantry above and beyond the call of duty while serving with the third battalion, eighth cavalry regiment, first cavalry division during divisions against an armed enemy from november 1st, 1950. on november 1st as chinese
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communist forces viciously attacked elements, he calmly walked through withering enemy fire in order to provide comfort and medical aid to his comrades and rescued friendly wounded from no man's land. though the americans successfully repelled the assault learning the found themselves surrounded by the enemy. facing aviolation, the able bodied men were able to evacuate. however, chaplain kapaun fully aware of his certain capture stayed behind with the wounded. after the enemy succeeded in breaking through the defense in the early morning hours of november 2nd, chaplain kapaun continually made rounds. as chinese communist forces approached the american position, chaplain noticed an injured chinese officer and convinced him to the surrender of the american forces. shortly after his capture, chaplain kapaun with complete disregard for his personal safety andunwavering resolve bravely pushed aside an enemy soldier preparing to execute sergeant first class herbert a.
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miller. not only did the gallantry save the life of sergeant miller but also his unparalleled courage and leadership inspired all those present including those who might have otherwise fled in panic to remain and fight the enemy until captured. chal chaplain kapaun's extraordinary here overism and selflessness above and beyond the call of duty are in keeping with thighest traditions of military service.
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>> let us pray together. lord god, let us go forth into the world in peace and dedication to your service. let's follow his example and hole fast to that which is good, render to no person evil for evil, but in the faint hearted may we support the weary and encourage the tired and honor all peoples. let us love and serve and may god's blessing be upon us. be with us today and always. we ask and pray in your holy name. amen.
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>> i can't imagine the better example for all of us, whether in uniform or not in uniform, a better example to follow. father kapaun's life, i think, is a testimony to human spirit, the power of faith and reminds us of the good that we can do each and every day, regardless of the most difficult of circumstances. we can always be an instrument of his will. so i hope all of you have enjoyed this ceremony. i certainly have been extremely touched by it to the kapaun family, god bless you, to all our veterans, we're so proud of you, and my understanding is that the white house has pretty decent food. so i hope all of you enjoy the reception. thank you very much. >> a beautiful and touching ceremony. the nephew of father emil kapaun
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receiving the medal of honor for the bravery shown by his uncle during the korean war. the president said he could not think of a better example. father kapaun is just one of 11 military chaplains who have died in the line of duty since world war ii. serving this country but also, standing alongside those who had fallen and needed him the most while they were prisoners of war. an amazing story, an amazing life. and we're honored to be able to bring that ceremony to you during "news nation." i want to get you caught up on other news of the day. right now, u.s. secretary of state john kerry is traveling to south korea as the region is on edge. waiting for expected missile tests from north korea. today, state-run tv indicated pyongyang is ready to fire nuclear missiles on the south. the country responded by mobilizing destroyers and aircraft. meanwhile, japanese media is
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reporting a north korean missile launcher is in the firing position with rockets facing the sky. joining me now, time international editor bobby, a lot of developments. let's first talk about secretary of state john kerry's trip. andrea mitchell indicated it is to shore up the new president of south korea. president park, who has certainly the newness of the job, if you will, but the great importance and the tension on her shoulders as well. >> she is the daughter of a form he president so she carries that legacy. but she is part of the political elite in the country. and for her and the people around her, this is not new. so she may be new to the job but the circumstances are very familiar. i think secretary kerry's job will go to reassure her that america is by their side. equally, he will be hearing from her what the state of the latest intelligence on north korea. the south koreans know more about that than anybody else. he will be hearing from her what they think is their best
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assessment. >> there is at least one report indicating that the south korean president may be open to talks with the north. what can you tell me? >> that's a very big deal. one of the close officials at a statement on television said that they wish that the north koreans would come to talks. that's a change in the temper and mood that we've seen from south korea. throughout the crisis which began in december and has escalated ever since, south korea has been quite adamant by saying there will be no talks. this is a punishment for the new sanctions. a punishment for bad behavior. you mend your behavior. then we'll talk. so this is interesting. we'll see whether this goes beyond one official expressing a personal wish or whether this is the official new policy of the government of south korea. >> bobby ghosh, greatly appreciate it. we'll be right back. [ jackie ] it's just so frustrating...
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pieces of the senate immigration plan that could be released in days. the proposal would reportedly stiffen border security and increase apprehensions of those trying to cross people living in the u.s. legally people could begin to get green cards in ten years but only if new security and employee verifications are in place. meanwhile, a brand new nbc news "wall street journal" poll shows a strong majority support a pathway to citizenship for undocumented immigrants. support drops to 76% overall. 73% among republicans. when told the pathway would require fines and back taxes as well as security background checks. gentlemen, thank you for joining me. mark, let's launch into this poll. again with the guns, the gun safety polling. the large majority of people supporting universal background
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checks. a large majority of people, at least when it comes to certain parts of immigration reform, are with it. >> they are. what is really interesting is how republicans are more with immigration reform than they are gun control measures. as you ended up mentioning, if you tell respondents that a pathway to citizenship includes paying back taxes, a fine, the republican support for immigration reform and for a pathway to citizenship goes up to 73%. if you just say basically, do you support a pathway to citizenship? 47 republicans say they support it. that goes up very highly and it shows you the potential to get bipartisan support for this. >> so the polls, of course, interesting numbers. tells quite a clear picture as mark pointed out. when folks were asked about time line for eligibility, 18% said immediately. five years, 51% of people thought that was enough time. looked at ten years, 12% and then another 14% said never.
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but 51%, the majority there believes five years. >> right. and that just shows that we're moving past possible and we're getting closer to imminent. those details about the time frame are going to still be worked out. i believe according to the decisions, most latino voters prefer a five-year time line. it will be at least ten years. the thing that was so exciting no looking at that, this is not just something. >> the rally from yesterday. it was in washington, d.c. but there were many across the country. >> chicago, atlanta, throughout california. one of the most exciting things, not just latinos. this was a cross section of what this country looks like. that shows the support is there. i can tell you the immigrant community is so mobilized. everybody is watching this. >> 2007, we were talking about it in the break. i remember seeing one of the biggest rallies i've seen in my life, in chicago when people thought the time had come for immigration reform.
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you mentioned, it discusses the new immigration attack, that it is too pricey. you will have some who are opposed to immigration reform. and they say they're in a race with proponents to frame the debate around costs, betting they can kill the bill by capitalizing on anxiety over budget deficits. high unemployment, government overreach, obamacare and the staying power of entitlement programs. you're mentioned as being caught flat footed when these arguments had come up prior to but you're ready now. >> that's right. thanks so much for having me. actually, i don't think it is much of a race. i think the politico story overstated the strength of the, of our opponents' side on this issue. they have really just, i think, shown that they are operating from scare tactics and really operating off the old play book. we've shown convincingly that immigration reform that legalizes the undocumented population, it is going to
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create a huge economic boost to this country. 125,000 jobs a year over the next ten years. over $800 billion in gdp, cumulative gdp during that time and over $100 billion in tax revenues. the cost is not about the cost legalizing the undocument population. the cost is what is the cost of not legalizing them? >> you and i both know in many debates, you refer to it as scare tactics. others think this might be reasonable questions to bring up at a time of high unemployment. we had a disappointing joks report and we've seen this before. back to 2007. you have these huge rallies of people wanting to see change but i also interviewed members of the minutemen rallies who said that this was going to bring down the country if we saw reform. and we saw it fizzle out. >> yeah. obviously, the other side is going to get energized at some point. it is pretty interesting that we
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haven't heard much out of them. it has been crickets to this point. we have reached a national consensus on this as the other guests were talking about. the 76% poll in the nbc/"wall street journal" poll today puts a fine point on how ready the american public is for reform, for common sense reform that holds everybody accountable and really fixes the system once and for all. >> thank you very much. raul, a great pleasure. mark, i wish we had more time but as you know, we were covering a wonderful story from the white house where the president awarded the medal of honor. appreciate it, gentlemen. up next, find out how you can vote on our "news nation" gut check. [ male announcer ] red lobster is hitting the streets to tell real people about our new 15 under $15 menu! oh my goodness... oh my gosh, this looks amazing... [ male announcer ] 15 entrees under $15! it's our new maine stays! seafood, chicken, and more! ooh! the tilapia with roasted vegetables. i'm actually looking at the wood grilled chicken with portobello wine sauce. that pork chop was great. no more fast food friday's. we're going to go to red lobster...
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