though he's not going very far, we wish him the very best in continued success. all around good guy. we'll miss him. now as promised, we asked you, why are you awake? producer john tower, the answers, please? >> this one from joe summer. he says it's only 11:30 here on the hawaiian islands so we have not been to bed yet. >> that's fantastic. you know something? i say we all go to hawaii and watch this show in the hawaiian islands! hawaii, here we come! great show, everyone. "morning joe" starts right now. ♪ >> hey, welcome to "morning joe." it's friday, april 12th. a beautiful, beautiful look at sunny times square this early this morning. i think it's supposed to get up to 37. >> i know. >> maybe the guy from the red neck rivera nothing says spring like 37, willie geist, and

freezing rain. >> they promised to give us one nice day. it was 76 and sunny and said spring is here. today, it's 50 and rainy. >> it is horrible. but it's always summer in our hearts, our friends. always summer in our hearts. i want to go home! >> yes, you do. i want to go to pensacola. come, james! >> i'm just going to go watch "42" and watch a baseball movie. >> you'll feel good. >> yeah. >> you come over to my hometown much? >> every loves going to pensacola and everybody loves that mullet beach. >> we have to get willie down. the interstate mullet toss. florida and alabama. jimmy buffet always played there. they throw mullet and it's the

interstate mullet toss. >> get out the calendar. >> to massachusetts, whatever. i'm kind of like you guys call this thing a beach? >> oh, i know. >> it's always a surprise. >> you call this water? >> you guys go over to sea side too? >> that is amazing. >> that thing has won more awards than any -- >> look at it up, man. >> you've never been down there, have you? seaside? >> no. i've been to pensacola, though. >> rattner has been there. >> willie and i are renting a 1952 de soto convertible. >> and drive across the state. >> come see me in new orleans. you can't beat july, man. >> i'll take 37 and rain! with us on the set, mike barnicle, of course. james carville, he is author of

the book "it's the middle class stupid." and margaret carlson from the bloomberg view and the great willie geist as well. a lot to talk about today. greg walden, man, we will talk about that in a second. he kind of got it from both sides. >> started with you and heard it j john boehner and about everybody else in his party. >> he did not have a good day. the gun control debate is officially on the senate floor. 16 republicans, that's a pretty big number. 16 republicans joined 50 democrats and two independents in voting to allow the debate to begin. proposals will include background checks on gun sales and strength mental health and safety school programs. some families of the newtown tragedy have mixed feelings about the vote.

>> i was very pleased with how many yeses we did have and happy to get this passed but i was completely shocked there were so many who were still against this and who still believe that we don't need to be heard, that newtown doesn't deserve a vote and that nothing needs to be done. we had a good start. this is one thing we needed done and -- >> the vote was enough to overcome votes of a filibuster and not everybody is on vote. here is one who voted this bill forward. >> i vote for alaska. it's not conservative versus liberal. my issue is the base bill in front of us right now does not show it has a lot of issues with it so i'm concerned about the base bill. a lot of ideas people have but i haven't seen those amendments and i wanted to see as we move forward but what i got to vote on was a vote related to a bill that is in front of us and that

bill does not satisfy alaskans. >> jon cornyn of texas also voted to block debate and he says for him, it's a matter of actually whether the bill will accomplish anything at the end of the day. >> i am not interested in congress voting on a measure that would have no impact on the horrific violence we have seen in recent -- recent months. the president has told some of these victims' families that this side of the aisle doesn't really care about their loss. that's not true. it's false. the president is wrong! all of us care about these families and all of us should care about violence in our communities and we should try to work together to find ways to address this. not in a symbolic sort of way, but in a real way that offers a

solution. >> you know, john, john cornyn probably made the safe vote for texas. we certainly disagree with it but if you're advising him in a republican primary with ted cruz on your right you probably tell him to do what you're doing. i'm surprised, though, that the 16 republicans that voted to allow the debate to move toward made this such a comfortable margin. >> that was quite a number. to some extent, it's courageous and it's not going to do any good because it's not going to pass the house. cornyn is right what what they are doing in the senate will not do a lot of good because it probably doesn't have a chance to get out of the house. but it does show that after an event like this, it's something, you know, 90% of the people in the united states want expanded background checks. >> you don't think expanded background checks will pass the house? >> i don't think. i don't think, no. >> how would you like to be a

republican in one of those shrinking swing districts that voted against keeping guns out of the hands of al qaeda terrorists and violent rapists? >> the key word, jo, is shrinking. they are shrinking swing districts and this is what they are faced with. the gun people remember you a lot longer for good or ill than the anti-gun people remember you. >> right. >> they are a powerful lobby and they are a lobby in many instances i don't agree with but they do have long memories and they are there and i think they are just going to, you know, bring the hammer down. i've read there is like 219 republican members who fear a primary more than the general election. as long as you have that, there's going to be hard to get those other votes. >> i will say, though, mike barn cal, i think it's like the tax

bill at the end of the year, you got enough republicans in there that do have to worry about losing in the general election, especially in the 90/10 issue. not talking about assault weapons here. we are not talking about the high capacity magazines right now. but what is there? 14 -- i think 14-seat spread in the house. >> it's not a lot. >> i've seen that evaporate quickly when people go out of their way to antagonize voters and i just can't even wait to see the 30-second ads against people in the house who vote against keeping guns out of the hands of -- excuse me -- of violent criminals and members of al qaeda who love our system. >> we should resurrect that clip that we showed yesterday, the point of the clip, i forget his name. a fugitive from yaever soversea american. your number, 219 republicans

fearing, you know, a primary. the primary from the right, i suspect, for all 219. >> yes. >> we were talking about it yesterday. in a sense, it looks as if the debate that will occur in the house, if such a debate does occur, is going to encapsulate a piece of the future. they stand up and say here is where i stand, take a peek at this. >> in west, you've got a lot at your disposal. let's take america as an example. america is absolutely a wash with easily obtainable firearms. you can go down to a gun show at the local convention center and come away with a fully automatic assault rifle, without a background check, and, most likely without having to show an identification card. so what are you waiting for? >> that is one of the fbi's most wanted terrorists on their list.

>> right. >> and he is saying that to his brothers across the globe. >> i understand that. but, again, you got a very, very powerful lobby with a very enthusiastic following and, you know, the other thing is structurally. the democrats some people have to estimate when the house have to win but like 7%. so the republicans have some confidence they will be able to keep the majority without a majority. >> that's what people are saying today. i could say i disagree. i disagree for a lot of reasons. because you're going to have more money going into these targeted districts. somebody that is in a targeted district, even though it's shrinking, maybe 30, maybe 30 districts that can still swing, they got to know if they vote the wrong way on this, just on keeping guns out of the hands of al qaeda terrorists, out of violent rapists, they got to know there is going to be

millions and millions of dollars po pored into their district and not just into the nra. bloomberg, mark kelly and a lot of other people in the middle are going to pour millions of dollars in there and they are going to tell the truth. they are not going to smear them but just tell the truth and show members of al qaeda talking about how their congressman made it easier to kill americans because they wouldn't have basic background checks that would keep assault weapons out of the hands of terrorists. >> james is right. the nra is incredibly powerful. there is more attention going on to this attention. i think the fight is a little bit more difficult this time. the thing that strikes me about yesterday's vote which was 68-31 which is probably more votes for than we thought, the 31, what they effectively said yesterday not only will i not allow this debate to pass i will not debate

this bill and i don't want to talk about the possibility of background checks. margaret carlson it raises the question, then if there are 31 votes and john mccain was on the sunday shows on sunday saying a filibuster was unconscionable, how does it move forward from here? >> the conversation doesn't help those 31. you know, when the passion and the memory are on the other side, that is the nra side, it makes it hard for those people where they are going to get primary in rural districts or districts so gergerrimandered. your power now is the ultra conservative that will come in and get you. as joe said, for the first time with passion on the other side, that is the gun controlled side and with money on the other side and memory, we can see that

there can be movement. you know, if -- a senator yesterday said these votes now are like putting training wheels on some politicians. look. you can do it. you know? you can ride -- you can still stay on the bike and vote against the nra. that this is a great thing for the gun control advocates just to see that you can do it. if they don't have those ads that joe was talking about, then the money isn't there, and then the nra is going to win. i think that those on the other side are going to follow through and it's going to be different this time. >> look. we have seen this here before. it's going to come out of the senate and they will put something in house and have some kind of background check but some other part of that the nra wants that it will never get through a conference committee and allow the house members so say, my god, i voted for expand

the background check somewhat and then they kill the thing and that happens all the time. if enough people get nervous, they will get something they can vote in that will moderately do this but there will be another provision of that bill that will be something that the nra is trying to get for a long, long time. >> i don't disagree with that. but i somehow have a feeling, an instinct, it's probably wrong, that pat toomey of pennsylvania, his words are going to resonate through this debate. that he voted for this yesterday because it wasn't gun control, it was common sense. and i just think given his pedigree, his conservative credentials, i just think it's going to resonate. >> i was in wilkesbury last night. it was volunteers of america people. most of the person i talked to said it made perfect sense. i don't know how many guns i have but i would be glad for a background check for them now but i have a bunch of them. >> i haven't run into too many of my friends -- in fact, i

haven't talked to any of my friends in northwest florida or anywhere across the south that i grew up with that are against background checks. i haven't met them. there are friends i know who are conservative bloggers who are against it but i have yet to meet a friend that i grew up and i was born in georgia. i lived in meridian, mississippi. i lived in pensacola, florida. i lived in tuscaloosa, alabama and lived in gainesville, florida, the majority of my life. when i talk about my friends, it is -- half the s.e.c. represented in about 40 years of living. >> you were born in georgia? >> i was. >> so was i. >> doraville. >> my folks were for a health care.

>> senator manchin on this show and later on yesterday went out of his way to say it would be against the law for anyone in the federal government to keep a record after that background check period is over. so the concerns about some kind of a registration leading to confiscation, pat toomey and joe manchin have gone out of their way in what they drew up. after 24 hours, it would be a federal crime to keep it and that person would be prosecuted. >> if you keep those records, this bill makes it a felony. so you will be convicted of a felony and sent straight to jail. republicans on the hill yesterday found themselves in some more uncharted waters defending the president's budget proposal against criticism against one of their leaders. it all stems from republican congressman greg walden who, on wednesday, said the president's proposed changes to social

security were unfair. >> his budget really lays out kind of a shocking attack on seniors, if you will. i think he is going to have a lot of pushback from some of the major senior organizations on this and republicans as well. i don't see this budget as either on time adding up, balancing and, further, i think it really does go right at seniors it in a way they will be shocked coming out of this administration. >> we, obviously -- i'll just say i. i, obviously, was very upset yesterday morning. we were asking the president of the united states to show responsibility on medicare and medicare and he did it and one of our republican leaders went out and attacked him makes us look absolutely terrible. besides, if more republicans followed it, that would be bad for future generations of americans. well, yesterday, others jumped in to the debate. house speaker john boehner also reacted and said this. >> i made it clear that i

disagree with what chairman walden said. he and i have had a conversation about it. this is the least we must do to begin to solve the problems in social security. >> this is the very least we have to do to address the entitlement crisis in america and take care of long-term debt. if you have republicans in the house leadership that are demagoguing this issue, my god, we are all in trouble. club for growth says it is now looking for a candidate to challenge walden in a primary because of those comments. there are groups like club for growth that have been warning about the coming entitlement crisis for decades. for a member of the house leadership to step out and say something like this, it's so unfortunate. i'm glad john boehner got out and said what he said as quickly as he did but it just shows,

james, come on. you're going to be cynical again. >> why would i be cynical about politics. >> you will say walden was smart to do what he did. what do you teach your kids down in new orleans? >> a good bit of class on the change of cpi. you have to understand this will also raise taxes to the tune of about 130 billion. and grover norqist has come out and said this is a violation of the tax pledge. it affects the rates as it goes up. >> chain cpi? >> grover will get run over again. >> i think from the standpoint of democrats, when you talk to them, they are not that upset about this. a little bit upset. but what they would say is why don't we hold out and negotiate and have that part of a larger deal? because it looks like the president is a car that walks on a car lot and says i'll give you

26. i know you're going to give him, you know? 20 more but you don't start with your best bid. now what the white house would say and our friend from oregon tried to help him out, this will throw them off and get discombobulated because they don't know how to play with this. try to be a poker player and don't show us your cards at first. >> margaret carlson, i don't think it's that bad at the white house, is it? >> i think he pays 26,000 and doesn't even get gps. you know? from the beginning, the president has negotiated and shown his best, you know, he has given everything he is going to give from the outset. he's not a good negotiator. but walden spent the day in the wood shed. there is this problem. look at the campaign when after obama cut the 716 billion

dollars from medicare, he was pummeled for it. romney made ryan drop it from his budget. and, you know, we move forward. you can't touch medicare. republicans won't join hands in the entitlement cuts when, you know, when they are in a campaign and it gets close, they don't want to do it either. this is a problem. this is a terrible problem. we have spenders and entitlement reform is hard for everybody. >> mike, that is what we have. we have a bunch of spenders and had nothing but a bunch of spenders over the past decade in both parties and why we are 16.5 trillion in debt. >> what we have seen where speaker boehner takes congressman walden into his office and shuts the door and slaps him around all day yesterday. what does the president of the united states do with the left wing of his party in the united states senate, many of whom just

jumped all over him yesterday? >> i think he likes that. i don't think he's -- he is like, look. he got a very favorable "the washington post" editorial and he'll love that. "morning joe." very favorable commentary right here. i guarantee you if he is up watching this right now, got a good david brooks column. he kind of excited this morning. people said this is kind of important to him. the fact all of these guys i'm trying to do something. in his mind, the white house is not totally out of bounds here. they say if we do this it will throw the republicans off and we have put something out there and this is something we would have agreed to any way in the larger context. understand, this president wants a grand bargain. he is going to give away the store in august of 2011. absolutely going to give away the store. he wants that grand bargain. and they view this as the best negotiating strategy and a lot of people disagree with him. they really want this.

he genuinely want this. >> going on the lot and offering 26,000 he has the other side fighting against him now. not a bad strategy. he is the one looking like the grown-up here. the republicans are are fighting. they got to get their own leadership in line and i salute boehner for going out -- >> maybe the republicans don't want to throw the floor matter in? >> especially by the middle of next week. he'll be up to 28. >> we will see. coming up on "morning joe," david gregory will be with us and eugene robinson and chuck todd and "time" magazine's rana foroohar and carol burnett will join us on the set. davis guggenheim will be back and eddie falco! >> on this show! who is going to be walking the tight rope and dancing with a bear?

coming up next the top stories and politico ple lilitico playb >> a cold rain will affect your friday. if you're heading out the door i-95 from boston down through the carolinas you need the umbrella. we even got some thunderstorms. we did have a tornado yesterday a nasty one went through mississippi and damage there and one fatality. we still have tornado watches for the richmond area and raleigh area and through eastern north carolina did you no reports of tornadoes lately. esh north carolina you're next for the storms along with your friends in richmond and washington, d.c. and baltimore showers and it's going to rain shortly in philadelphia too. new york city the tail end of your rush hour get rain and then soaking rain a little later today. some areas will pick up 1 to 2

inches of rain and a cold rain in cleveland and columbia and pittsburgh. take you through the timing of this so you can plan your travel today or whatever your plans are even this morning. here is the rain. the heavy rain is shown in the yellow and red. about noon today the heaviest from new york city to hartford and baltimore. it could be mess with torrential rains through the region and maybe thunderstorms and by 9:00 clears new york city for the evening and boston still dealing with it throughout your night plans. the bottom line today major travel issues there in the south. there is the snow, by the way, to rub it in from st. cloud to duluth around minneapolis too. the forecast, again, east coast, you get a rainy friday but then it clears out for a pretty nice weekend. it will not be warm like it was but it will be dry and typical of april and i think he'll take it. you're watching "morning joe." we are brewed by starbucks. ♪ i turn to stone

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london syrian and opposition leaders pressured secretary of state john kerry for arms but so far the white house is unwilling to supply though. >> the movie was yanked from china django unchained." . some say the violence had been removed to imply with china's sensors. >> that is a lot of editing in that movie if you're going to pull that. >> basically, there is nothing left. take out the blood and gore. "the washington post" a richmond man who stole president obama's teleprompter and a truck containing 200,000 worth of audio equipment has been sentenced to seven years in federal prison. >> whoa! >> wow. eric brown also stole the presidential seal and lectern. he was caught after he tried to pawn off some of the gear at a maryland pawn shop! >> genius! >> you figure you drive through the district and go to the other side and nobody will follow you

there. parade of papers. a woman first words after waking up from a coma, i want to go to a bob seger concert! last night she had her wish granted. seger was playing in auburn hills. she awoke from a five-year coma in 2011 was given full back stage vip treatment, even getting a hug from the man himself. how about i love you, honey? or where the hell are the kids? >> you need to leave that alone. >> i like the guy walking into the pawn shop. i got a presidential seal and a rolex. >> and it's the real thing too. >> he gave it to me. the new york daily news. jay-z is addressing the recent trip to cuba head-on.

he has a song about getting access to the country. >> jay-z relieved a rap today. i now the other day you said treasury was the one who cleared their trip. he suggested that he got white house clearance and that he personally spoke with the president. i'll just quote. i turned havana into atlanta. boy from the hood. i got white house clearance. obama said, quote, chill, you going to get me impeached. you don't need this, expletive "chill on the becach. >> i guess nothing rhymes with

treasury. treasury gives licenses for travel. it's a song. the president did not communicate with jay-z over this trip. >> it's a song. . >> really? i don't know. >> the treasury did give him permission. >> sounds like jay-z may let the cat out of the bag. >> how about "parade" magazine? home sales improve and say it my be time to invest in the housing market once again. here is the politico "playboy" with mike allen. >> happy chill friday. >> why that? >> carney wrap i guess got me in the mood. >> one of your top stories talking about marco rubio in this immigration debate. you say hazards for him putting himself out front. what are they? >> yeah, big ones.

senator rubio could become the face of this gang of eight compromise that looks like it will come out of the senate early next week. senator rubio is jumping the gun a little bit. this sunday from miami he is going to do seven sunday shows. all of the u.s. networks plus telemundo and you remember the full ginsburg when monica all lewins lewinsky's lawyer did five shows and this is seven and now the full mark kco. a full sign how he is going in on this already. his staff is working behind the scenes to sell the deal to conservative talk show hosts and conservative media and also some complaints about there may be only one hearing about this. so senator rubio is thinking about having some of his own hearings where republican senators could question experts. the idea is get people comfortable with all of this to be out there and show that he has no reservations about it and hope that he'll be able to bring

in long enough republicans so that the final vote is a big number. that this isn't a 60 something vote, that is like an 80 something vote which would help protect him with the right. >> margaret, marco rubio could be entering choppy waters here, immigration, taking a lead on immigration reform and we will see how popular that really is with the republican base. from the other side, florida is a swing state. michael bloomberg and a lot of people going after him for trying to block a vote on background checks for criminals. they are starting a pretty tough ad campaign saying marco rubio's presidential ambitions are making floridians less safe. he's a new senator and already running for president. this is a trying couple of months for him, isn't it? >> yeah. it will be interesting, you know, to see how good he is. i think he is very good. you know, he came to bloomberg news to talk and, you know, he covered a whole wide range of

issues that you think he may be narrow but actually he has really studied and really learned and he knows he's on a national stage. you know, the -- joe, your wonderful, beautiful state of florida and i heard, you know, i wanted to take that trip to seaside that i heard you talking about at the beginning. you know, they have the terrible, what i think of as the terrible concealed weapon law that, you know, the conservatives want to poison the gun control bill with. so, you know, florida is an interesting state and navigating florida for marco rubio is hard enough. navigating every place else. you don't really want mayor bloomberg to be your friend, marco rubio, but you don't want him to be your enemy. >> you don't want him to be your enemy because in florida the republican primary is a conservative primary and it is a swing state of all swing states. barack obama has won there

twice. i tell you what, if marco rubio starts getting hit with 30-second ads from above, james carville, in the i-4 corridor in south florida talking about how he is blocking a vote against keeping guns out of the hands of terrorists and dangerous criminals, that approval rating will go down. >> well, he strikes me a little bit. he certainly is a -- he is in a might of a hurry and sometimes in washington that is not the best strategy but he seems like a young man in a hurry. democrats won the last six elections including 42 electoral votes err tivery time. that is including kerry and gore and everything else. if they just got florida that is 271. florida is not just a swing state. if they carry florida and the same ones they don't need ohio,

virginia, iowa, new hampshire, or new mexico and it's become a critical state. i think -- i'm not the only guy that figured this out, he has too. i think rubio has to be careful because both ted cruz and rand paul are very weary of marco rubio right now. it's just not clear sailing over there for him. you make a good point it's a conservative state and the primary is conservative but the background could cause him some grief. >> thank you, mike. have a good weekend. >> you too. tiger woods is looking for his fifth green jacket at the masters. highlights from the opening round next in sports. ♪ i wish i didn't know now what i didn't know then ♪ ♪ against the wind we were running against the wind ♪

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will be a job offer waiting for you to become a part of the "sports illustrated" team. >> oh, my god! >> that was a clip from "the moment." with us is former nfl quarterback kurt warner and creator of the show, charlie ebersol. >> good to see you. >> charlie is a fashion plate is you can tell. he was wearing nickers. >> i tomld him if he comes on with me, i can't wear the nickers. >> did that launch off? >> the clothing company took over. for man who wore them 13 seasons in the nfl? >> he makes a good point. >> that's all i'm saying. >> taelet's talk about the showd how you're a perfect host. for people who don't know your back story. before you were the super bowl mvp and a guy everybody rooted for and got behind in the nfl you were bagging groceries not long before that. >> exactly.

the premise of the show is individuals that were chasing their dream and sometimes life gets in the way. life takes us down a path that we never expected to go. it's tough to get back on that road and find that second chance. so to be the host, to be able to be able to step back in after being in those same shoes. a guy that had the dream from a young age but i ended up sitting on the bench in college and getting cut mice first nfl team like i said a like you said taking a job in a grocery store and how can i keep this dream alive? at 27 years old which is ancient in the nfl and having a second chance and 12 years in the nfl and playing in a few super bowls. it's great to be able to come full circle and offer that opportunity to other people. >> how did you hang on to that dream when you were there bagging groceries? how could it be a reality at age 27 you would still be in the nfl? i'm sure a lot of people were telling you to give up on it. >> plenty of people. obviously, the circumstances

didn't dictate it would work out. when you go through those things you have to hold on to the dream and hold on to the belief you can be what you've always dreamed of being and that is what i did. i didn't allow those circumstances or those individuals to dictate my future. i wasn't going to get somebody else tell me what my future was going to look like. so even though i was going through those things and had moments of frustration and even times when i wondered would i get another chance? i didn't stop believing if i get that chance when that comes across my table i'm going to be ready for it and jump at it and i'm going to be the reason i get it or don't get it. it's not nobody else. >> charlie, tell us about putting the show together and you coming to him and figuring that out and getting the show on tv. >> my business partner justin is a huge fan of "it's a wonderful life." at the end of the movie when jimmy stewart is offered the life he could have and the life he had and having that choice, who would that be like if you had real people go through that? giving my background having the same thing happen to me to put

that together into a television show at usa was a no-brainer but only one person who represents that total story which is kurt. when we sat down with kurt who had turned down every offer to do a television show ever, he said only one thing. he said i want this to be more than just about the eight or nine people that we do the show about. how are we going to do that? and usa stepped up and created a website where anyone who had a dream could go on and have the tools and merchants ntors. >> usa did a poll saying 80% of people say their career does not reflect their passion. meaning they don't do anything they love. how do you change that for people? >> i think the biggest thing people think the financial decision is the deciding factor. that it's like i have to do this because i can't in this economy afford not to take a risk and

not take a job. i think what was huge for us in the show was to say if money wasn't an object, what would you do? like what was your 9-year-old self hoping you would become? that is the thing inherently we all want to do. what i think we found with that poll and a lot of other outreach is that it has -- kurt is the ultimate xaexample from supermarket to super bowl, it's not really about the financial decision about where your life trajectory goes but where you put your passion. if you love something deeply and put your passion behind it, good things come out of it. >> carville wants to do a show with hillary. >> i don't think she likes fashion. we will see. it's going to be interesting. i think it's a great look. young people come to hee all the tie at tulane, what do you think i should do? how am i to tell you what to do with your life some what do you want to do? your point is a good one. if you say this is going to help

me, if i do this even though i don't like doing this it will help me get there. it's not the way it works. start doing what you like and good things will happen to you down the road. if you don't have the enthusiasm and you go to work and you don't love it, if you didn't love playing football, you would take a risk when you played. >> you don't realize how that carries over to every other area of your life. if you're miserable at work eight hours a day do you think you'll come home happy and be a good husband, a good father? i realized in living my dream i enjoyed what i did every day. i woke up with a different kind of perspective and attitude towards life and it carried over to every relationship that i had. i think that is what is vital. a lot of people say chasing after your dream sometimes costs you some time with your family. it did for me. i had to leave for amsterdam for four months. but i got that all back and i think it paid bigger dividends to really enjoy what i did and be able to share that and share that perspective and attitude with my family. >> kurt, be careful. charlie is a good guy but you

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send it to a judiciary committee for an opening hearing and their deliberations. i fully expect the house will act in some way, shape, or form. but to make a blanket commitment without knowing what the underlying bill is, i think, would be iron responsible on my part. >> also with us is pulitzer prize winning columnist and associate editor of "the washington post" and msnbc political analyst, eugene robinson. jean, some movement on the hill yesterday. >> uh-huh. >> surprised? pretty big vote to start debating. >> yeah. they are going to start debating the bill. i think that is very significant. and i hope we're at a point where we can see movement on a very important issue. background checks are very

important and people who really know the issues say this is where you get the most for, you know, what is, in context, fairly minimal legislation, but -- or fairly minimal trespass on second amendment rights. >> yeah, when you're talking about background checks, i think most americans don't think there is any trespassing. >> exactly. nra could create a gun registration and part of the bill says if you keep any of the records, you're guilty of a felony and you're going to jail. so the gun control debate is officially on the senate floor now. 16 republicans. 16 republicans joined 50 democrats and two independents in voting to allow the debate to begin. proposals are going to include expanded background checks on gun sales and strengthen mental health and school safety prameds. some of the family victims in the newtown tragedy still have

mixed feelings about the vote. >> i was very pleased with how many yeses we did have and happy to get this passed but i was completely shocked there were so many who were still against this and who still believe that we don't need to be heard, that newtown doesn't deserve a vote and that nothing needs to be done. we had a good start. this is one thing we needed done and to where -- or at least i'm not. >> the vote was enough to overcome votes of a filibuster and not everybody is on board. i guess that is to to be expected, james carville. a couple of democrats concerned about being seen too far out there. >> alaska, a minor fact they up for election. look. i understand people are optimistic and never gotten this far before. i'm a little more pessimistic than most people because i've seen what happens within our nra kicks in and seen how these

politicians are really afraid of them. if they do pass this and if a lot of these peoples withstand a challenge from the nra in the next election that will seriously diminish their power and they know that. they have a lot at stake in this, the nra, a ton. >> james, can the money that mayor bloomberg and i think others will pour into those races make a difference? >> mark kelly? >> exactly. the groups that have formed like abby gifford's group? >> they will dump all of this money and something comes in and say, wait, if you don't do this, the bloomberg people will come in and there is another side. in other words, i think what these guys are doing is big because they give and when you have a meeting and when you decide what to do in a cold hard raw politics of this. understand this. the nra has almost been viewed as all powerful. if, a big if, if they get

something through and they go after some of these guys and they miss, their power is going to be diminished significantly. >> it's so unnecessary for the n nra. they could have said, listen, we supported background checks in '99 and we will support background checks today because when you get a 90/10 issue -- here is the thing. here is the thing. the nra is powerful if the nra has the issues behind them. i was one of these people -- you know this. grover norquist is the most dangerous man in the white house. no, it's not grover but the idea grover has embraced no taxes. the same thing with the nra. second amendment rights. yes, so many of us support second amendment rights. it is the idea, though, that the nra represents and when they are only representing 7% of the american people on a particular issue and you get all of this money coming from outside groups, you're going to lose. they are going to lose. i'm just surprised they weren't smart enough to get out of the

way of its rein. >> three words you'll remember. cop killer bullets. remember they were against cop killer bullets and then finally said, man, this is like -- it's not -- >> right. >> this is -- they -- look. they going to have a hard time backing off of this because they have got a lot of skin in the game right now. lapierre and those guys have to be thinking what they are going to do because they can't afford to lose. >> i think chuck todd is right. they are more scared of larry pratt and gun owners of america. they were starting to tell joe manchin. they were working with joe. they were talking to joe all along. they were talking to pat toomey and they were trying to figure out the outlines of this bill what could of bill could get out there that they wouldn't score? so they get it out there. "the new york times" puts larry pratt on the front of "the new york times" and suddenly gun owners of america, they are the true blue. they are the guys that endorsed me with the nra endorsed my opponent back in '94. just waved that letter around

saying, well, we are more conservative than them! and so they froze and they now put themselves in a position, mike, where they are going to lose. they are going to lose and it's all their fault. there are a lot of smart people like chris cox in that organization and should have listened to them. >> they have a real problem and should have adopted common sense. pat toomey's line this is not gun control legislation. it's just common sense. and their larger problem, should we show it again? should we show it again? >> mike, i haven't seen a video of one of the most wanted fbi terrorists on the planet, an al qaeda terrorist that says it's our lack of background checks that makes americans sitting ducks for al qaeda and i have not heard it. i've heard there is a video out there. do you have it? >> alex and t.j. found it. >> let's enlighten you. >> i need to get into youtube. watch this.

>> in the west, you've got a lot at your disposal. let's take america as an example. america is absolutely a wash with easily obtainable firearms. you can go down to a gun show at the local convention center and come away with a fully automatic assault rifle, without a background check, and, most likely, without having to show an identification card. so what are you waiting for? >> that is a pretty good primary tool. >> people asking me would you be comfortable in northwest florida taking this issue to the florida voters? i would in a debate. i would love on background checks for a guy over here to say, i'm not the true conserve p ive because he is on al qaeda's side. >> you gladly go to funiac springs? >> i would gladly do that because i've yet to meet a lifelong hunter that is against

background checks because you know what? they play by the rules and do it right and they don't want to be clumped in with al qaeda terrorists and serial rapists. why should terrorists and serial rapists and people who want to kill americans get on the internet without a background check? stay with me here. if i'm in a republican primary and i know how to beat somebody up politically, you're not -- you're not telling me i can't carry today -- >> i'm going to get accused of being a suck up here. you're probably a little more skilled than the average republican that is going to get in a primary, okay? i want to g-- i don't want to gt out there too far. but hunters do play by the rules. most hunters if you go up, they is not something that you do. >> hunters play by the rules, man, and expect you to play by the rules and they don't like people who get too cute.

>> throw your trash out of your duck blind and somebody is going to slap you back on that. you make a good point on that, though. most people don't see how that has -- i don't, but it becomes an emotional issue with some people and they know how to play the emotion. >> no doubt about it. with us now is nbc news capitol hill correspondent kelly o'donnell. what is going on the hill here? we going to have us a gun debate on capitol hill? >> we certainly are, joe. i got something you get to hear first exclusively on "morning joe." nbc news has obtained a robo call going out today to help the two senators you've been talking about, pat toomey of pennsylvania, joe manchin of west virginia. a republican and democrat at the able here making this bipartisan deal come together on background checks. you talked about the nra's power and what may be coming as a counterbalance on what is going on capitol hill.

some of the groups that want to see expanded new gun laws and background checks are putting money in it too. to give you an idea what is like. gabby giffords will be here to personally lobby some of the senators. her husband mark kelly is the voice on this tape and to reach the philly suburbs and reach veterans and male gun owners who live in west virginia as a way to say support them and stand with them if you believe there needs to be something more done. take a listen. this is an exclusively for nbc news. this robo call going out today. >> i'm calling to thank your senator pat toomey for working across party lines to sponsor critical legislation to keep guns out of the the hands of criminals and the mentally ill by expanding background checks. if senator toomey's bill becomes law, it will be more difficult for dangerous people to get guns and our communities will be safer as a result. all while protecting our second amendment rights.

>> so the newtown families and others who have survived gun violence or lost their loved ones to it, they have been here all week as we have been talking about. it is indisputable the impact they have had on getting more senators saying let's begin the debate and do it now. lots of disagreement what should be in new gun legislation, if any changes do get made but this sort of watershed moment and happening on monday. late last night the two senators put out 49 pages, the actual text of their bill. that's so critical because people can read it online. they can start to look at it. and take a look at the details and that is going to be where there is a real critical point, will it be sort of savage by those who are worried about what could happen and will it be championed by others who want to see more. the vote was such a big surprise was only the first of many markers along the way. each of those votes, joe, like a four-way stop. procedural things can get in the way and things from the outside that can get in the way.

monday and tuesday, it's really going to get going but a call like what we just played is just one of the tools that people are using to try to give support to senators who put themselves at political risk to take this up. >> kelly o'donnell on capitol hill, thank you so much. greatly appreciate it. talking about making americans safer, gene. i heard in my ear we have another exclusive to "morning joe." apparently a video of this terrorist. he is one of the most wanted terrorists in the world. >> really? >> do we have that? we won't make you people see it three times in an hour. no, we won't be doing that but he is saying it's a lot easier to kill americans in america. before we granddad david gregory, what greg walden? he steps out yesterday and sounding like a liberal. change cpi is bad and throw

grandee off the street. he caught it from all sides. >> really did. you know, it would be interesting to sort of demagogue social security. that is reliable, right? that is what you go for. it's going to be fascinating to see. obama is really getting it from every side on his budget proposals and on that in particular. a lot of people -- a lot of progressives are not happy with that move. >> i tell you what, it's a really james carville, it's a really challenge for the republican party. they demagogued medicare in 2010. you guys demagogued in 1996 with medi-scare and see if we can get beyond these games. >> you have to remember these programs are awfully proper and for a reason, okay? they are very, very effective. and when people have been through a recession and been through all kind of stuff and

really been hit. i guess in some point, i understand people want to do something like that but i don't think they want you to be very enthusiastic about it and it seems like somebody is too happy about this and there is going to be a push back and push back here. you got to remember, it's demagoguing if you want to call it that but the programs are popular for a reason. >> let's go to washington with david gregory of "meet the press." >> what james is just saying is, obviously, so true and part of it is fighting against misinformation because here you have it when it comes to entitlement reforms on both sides of the aisle, and even this gun legislation, you know, you've been talking to senator manchin and toomey and others who are behind the background check bill. they have just spending most of their time trying to clear the air with people who say, oh, you're just going to create a national registry with this bill which they are not going to do.

they got to overcome so many obstacles people saying you can't do this because it will create a national registry or it's just a slippery slope. that is essentially what they have to overcome with a lot of people who are looking at all of this. look. i think on, you know, the education campaign that will have to go on the president to ultimately prevail on social security and only in his own party. elements have to go out and campaign for it. >> margaret carlson at the end of the day it's easier to demagogue social security and medicare than talk about saving the programs. >> well, you know, you brought up common sense earlier. you know, if you look at medicare and you look at gun control, you can explain to people some sensible solutions that if they are informed, they say, oh, yeah, i get that. it's like smoking on an airplane. can you imagine? you had to change the way people

live? why would you breathe smoke for three hours in a metal tube? on mashedicare, means testing, people understand that. you want it to survive. for instance shouldn't you pay more for your medicare when you get there which is a long way, away, joe, since you just turned 50? >> phil griffin only pays me $28 million a year to do this. >> you have a long time to get there before you save up and be one of those people who get means tested. >> i get free tickets to the soccer game. >> you get as much coffee as you want. >> i get as much coffee as i want from starbucks but i get your point. >> can i show you what we get here in washington? >> what is that? >> do you see this little plastic cup of water? we don't even get your nice starbucks here. >> the problem is that is coming straight out of my salary, margaret carlson. >> and it cost you a fortune. >> it does but i get your point. david gregory, at the end of the

day, what happens on the gun legislation? it looks like it's going get through the senate but is james carville right? is it just going to die a gruesome legislative death in the house? >> i was talking to democrats in the house yesterday who said you have the prospect of something starting weaker in the house and stronger in the senate but here it's the opposite and does it start relatively strong in the senate and weaker in the house? that is, obviously, the fear. i don't think it's a sure thing in the senate at this point. they are somewhat encouraged by the votes they got to let the debate begin. but there is a lot of questions about just where the gun lobby is right now. one supporter saying that the nra is getting tea partied by other elements of the gun lobby. and that is why they may ultimately score the bill or keep track of how senators vote. so they have got some work to do on this. and i still think it's going to be difficult. and then, you know, it gets to the house and, you know, i think

more difficult still. so certainly a long way to go. but the emotion of this week, the vice president doing what did he with you yesterday, the newtown families, it's certainly having an impact. >> who do you have on "meet the press" this weekend, david? marco rubio to talk about moving forward on immigration as well as the budget. and foreign affairs. >> fantastic. as always, we look forward to it. if it's sunday, it's "meet the press." thank you. margaret, thank you as well for being with us. >> thanks, joe. >> you can take as your departing gift that plastic cup of water! >> cheers! >> still ahead on "morning joe," legendary entertainer carol burnett is going to be here and we are excited about that and academy award director david guggenheim and also with us will be edie falco.

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senators actually voted for a debate. that is a surprise. >> you know what? i was most intrigued about is take a look at the group of republicans that voted to start the debate, that voted to end the filibuster. i believe all of them and i'm double-checking the rosters have been at dinners with president obama in the last month. i think this is your group. if you're wondering who are the group of senators that if the big grand bargain happens, that if whether immigration goes through, this is your group of republicans that if there is big bipartisan deals, they will represent the republican part of the deal. i know we are focused on the gun part of it it, but look at who it was. >> so give me the names. >> corker, alexander. >> this is not just for the gun legislation. any big deals depending on corker? >> tennessee guys. corker and alexander. toomey on this deal.

you had chambliss and isakson and lindsey graham and john mccain. this is the heart of what i call the legislative conservatives. they want to be involved in this deal. >> chuck, is there a leader of this group some one from whom the others are taking cues? >> i don't think there is a leader but i think there are pockets. i think pat toomey is very important. he was at the first dinner. people forget that. he has a lot of clout with some house conservatives and why he is important to have in deals. back when they did the big fiscal cliff deal on taxes, toomey signing off on it was a huge signal and a help to boehner. so he helps with one faction. then you have lindsey graham. i don't know if he a lot of followers but he and john mccain and the three of them together usually stick together. isakson and chambliss and corker

and lamar. isakson i think is more of a leader than people realize. he did put together the roster for the second dinner with the president and he is somebody that seems to be comfortable getting involved with some of the -- in some of these legislative fights that other senators fight mere a primary challenge and he seems not to but i wouldn't call it one clear leader. >> howard, you do have a group of republicans, two happen to be from georgia and two happen to be from tennessee. pat toomey and lindsey graham and john mccain, a group probably take us to some bipartisan compromises in other areas, as well as gun? >> i agree with that. as a reporter in kentucky i see that mitch mcconnell is missing in action in all of this. he signed on to the filibuster threat. he is up for 2014 in kentucky and still worried about a dhalg from t

-- about a challenge from the right in his own party. >> they are saying in kentucky he is vestibuly challenged. >> i'm sorry. a phrase i shouldn't have used. >> i have a collection of words you shouldn't use if you want me to understand them and all in charles' piece! so many big words! >> i so implefressed that the people from alabama can understand my pieces. >> they certainly can. charles, what is your biggest concern about universal checks that toomey put through to debate? >> all of the debate in the conversation this morning, yesterday on this show and also has been about politics. come to get the senators to do this. i think everyone should step back in life and in democratic societies. it's incumbent upon the people who suggest changes to explain why. you don't do what the president

has done from the beginning which is to say here is a problem. i think we need to do something to fix it. not quite make the case. kathleen parker hardly a right wing extremists know the bill would have done nothing to stop newtown but it's hung on newtown. the first thing to say doing something is not a good idea in and of itself. the reason it worries me specifically is not because iits the end of the world but where does it end? really this bill and right from the beginning down to how it's been whittles down is what the president has wanted to do all along. >> is this slippery slope argument we hear all the time? >> it is a slippery slope argument. in tomorrow's -- today's exemptions become tomorrow's loopholes and what will stop somebody say i know there were exemptions and stop giving the guns to their father and son but

it won't stop. we need to close the loopholes. >> the sad part of the thing is the thing i think would work most directly and were once part of federal law is so-called assault weapons. these are not things for hunting and so forth and the big magazine clips. putting those kind of limits on which is consistent with what the federal government has done with other weapons of battle is -- would be fine, but that's off the table and so all of the concerns are about the supposed invasions of privacy from creations of lists and so forth and so on. >> charles? >> howard, you say all of the assault weapons and exactly the phrase you should use. no such thing as an assault weapon. i think people who watch the show and people who have come on this show. yesterday, joe biden came on and said the nra is spreading misinformation. one of the reasons the left loses on gun control is because they spend a lot of time mocking and demagoguing and not learning

about guns and gun issues. no such thing as an assault weapon. it's a rifle with cosmetic casing. >> wait. there are assault weapons -- >> it's a made-up term. >> no. assault weapons is defined by the government and banned since the '30s. >> no, this is exactly the point. >> they got grandfathered in in '86. >> i'm sorry. that is factually wrong. you're confusing an assault weapon that were made up into the '90s and automatic weapon which fires continuously and banned from the '30s or heavy regulated. >> the difference is between continuous and noncontinuous has disappeared. when you have a weapon that can fire a hundred rounds within, you know, a minute or so, there is no -- there is no -- unless you're going to argue that people need those kind of weapons in order to protect themselves against criminals who have the same kind of weapon, then there is no reason to have

those. now maybe that is your argument. >> you can fire a hundred rounds from a handgun if you put a big enough magazine in it. these are meaningless distinctions. >> one limits the size of magazines. >> listen. >> case of magazines but not for assault weapons. >> i know how the nra works. david caine is now their behind of scenes mastermind i've known for 30 years, what the nra does is turn those type of weapons into, quote, sport weapons and teach people to use them and they use them in shooting. they use them in sporting events and then there is a federal case, the heller case which says if a weapon is widely used for recreational purposes you can't limit it. so a lot of the sports programs that they run are designed to legitimatize those weapons. >> i want to talk to charles quickly and need to bring chuck back in. charles, it seems to me though, we hear a lot of semantics arguments. we're right now arguing over the definition of assault weapons.

you say no such thing as an assault weapon. the nra since 1994 has been saying the same thing i am today and you say i'm wrong. if you don't call it an assault weapon you say hold on. you're coming after our pistols. they walk around in circles. it's not about background checks. if it starts there then it's a gun registry and all of the people saying we need to be in afghanistan? why? because of pakistan. why can't he talk about just background checks and why is there always a slippery slope? >> because when you look at the facts of the gun control debate, the gun control measures that have been proposed or tried you're right between 1994 and 2004 assault weapons ban haven't worked. the d.o.j. said it didn't work and the university of pennsylvania study said it didn't work. background checks equally. >> let's focus on background checks. >> -- chose the virginia tech per traitor pass a background

check. >> a flawed background check. >> okay. then you're on nra territory and you say fix the background checks. >> i would like to fix them too. >> but who wouldn't? who wouldn't like to? who wouldn't like to make tougher penalties for people -- >> you would agree with me, charles, the past ten years, a lot of laws haven't been enforced because a lot of people in congress don't want the atf to enforce the laws. we don't have a person in charge of atf. >> that is a -- issue. >> a political issue. >> wait a minute. wait, joe. the nra has made -- they created -- they redefined atf. atf became a senate confirmation appointment so it would never get confirmed. they score the vote. the confirmation of an atf head gets -- would get scored. that's why there's -- there is always an acting one. so, you know, you can't just brush off this atf issue. this atf issue has been basically at the center of trying to make sure that there

isn't somebody with real authority in charge of atf. >> listen. let's do this. because charles is outnumbered like 4-1 right now which is actually in this one case proportionately in line with americans who support background checks. let's do this. i don't know if we can keep you here and continue the debate. >> sure. >> but also we want to make sure on maybe monday or tuesday we can get you in and a couple of other people and talk about this and talk about it for 30, 45 minutes because we really need to dig in a lot deeper. >> i agree. >> you just may be surprised. i may agree with you on about 95% of the issues. chuck, thanks so much. >> see you. >> what is going on coming up? >> we have more of our new poll interesting look at the values cut. sort of where one part of the country is headed, republicans head inside a different way and it's fascinating and it may explain some of the cultural disconnect that is taking place in the u.s. senate. >> howard, thank you so much for being here.

what are you working on right now? >> gun control at the huffington post and immigration which is the next thing up. >> all right. fantastic. thank you. we are will get you back, charles. >> thank you. >> greatly appreciate it. you brought the a scarf. we got to have you back. bring the scarf back and have you back on another day. marc morial is coming up next. ♪

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levels have increased. college enrollment levels have increased and a lot of good news to look at a 50-year horizon. the relative gaps between white and blacks in american remains very stag national and much of the same. that is why 300 of us went to capitol hill this year armed with solutions, a couple of new bills that were introduced by senators gillibrand and fatah and fudge to create jobs and stem-based education in the after school space. we came with a diagnosis and we came with some prescriptions. >> marc, what about the wealth gap between black america and white america? how has that been moving in the last few years. >> the gap remains pretty much what it was 50 years. the truth is the recession knocked a good bit of wealth out of all americans' balance sheets

and portfolio but particularly cost the black community when it came to home ownership and the modest investments many had. that wealth gap is a challenge for the nation in the 21st century. >> i'm interested in that point. marc, as i understand, it blacks hold more of their wealth in housing than stocks. that seems to be another reason why that gap would have increased because the markets have gone up so much since the crisis but housing is only starting to rebound. what does that mean in terms of policy solutions? what would you like to have seen done? would you have liked more help around housing earlier on? what do you think should be done now? >> had we banned predatory lending and predatory lending practices back in 2002 and 2003 the problem may not have been so severe. many people lost their homes because many lost their jobs. many lost their homes because they were in predatory products

and meant they faced increases in monthly payments and spikes in interest rates because of automatic accelerators. i think we have to reaffirm a commitment to a on housing policy that says home ownership is still a critical part of the american dream. but educate people about financial literacy and how to manage investments but people need a good income in order to be able to have any disposable income to be able to invest. >> marc, here is a generation dah eliminate ma for pup i don't know if it's in the report but i assume it is. education, black children, k through 6 and schools that serve largely black communities. eyesight tells you they are not as good as some other schools. where are we going here? >> the president made a rems in his budget which i think is very important and far reaching and the expansion of expansion of

early childhood education and something we have been a strong supporter of for a decade. why is that important? you can't fix the k through 6 system by just fixing fourth, fifth, and sixth grade. you have to start these children in a quality educational environment much early in life. middle class kids get that opportunity because their parents pay for it. if we do the same thing for poor children and do the same thing from children to family and poverty it will make a long-term difference and it will make a difference and hope we can talk about it more in the future. >> thank you, marc. >> good morning. >> good morning to you, too. thank you. rana, stay with us. coming up next, nurse jackie is here! actress edie falco will join us. you are watching "morning joe," brewed by starbucks. ♪ many cereals say they're good for your heart, but did you know there's a cereal that's recommended by doctors?

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big, fat contract. i wonder what they're going to pay you in prison. good-bye nike, good-bye gatorade, good-bye "dancing with the stars". >> okay, i'll buy your [ bleep ]ing machine. what's it do, anyway? >> it helps us win the super bowl. >> that was a scene from the upcoming season premiere of showtime's "nurse jackie." here with us now, the star of the series, edie falco. found out, a long island girl. >> i know, i know. >> way to go. so, this is big. >> whoo-hoo! >> the fifth season. >> yeah. >> and you're fighting to stay sober this season. it's really, really personal. a personal battle. tell us about it. >> well, you know, learning to do day-to-day things without a crutch of any kind is a whole new world for her. for her. >> not for you? >> not for me. >> you've been clean and sober for a very long time. >> for a very long time.

>> but do i read the "new york post," and a long, long time ago -- >> 21 years ago. >> but you said something in there that's fascinating because i have a lot of friends who have been through the struggle themselves, and you said, i had the best support system, but in the end, it all comes down to you. and that's what makes this season so fascinating, it's a personal battle with the nurse. >> people can give you all kinds of advice about what it's like, but until you're living moment-to-moment without being able to fall back on what you've depended on for many years, it is very personal, very private. >> you know, you've got new leadership on the show. you said it was like a shot of b-12. it's really been energized. a little funnier, a little edgier. >> i didn't say those words, but thank you. >> people have said those words. so talk about the change and what it's meant for the show and how we're going to see that in season 5. >> the throughline is still there. the cast is the same, for the most part. and the crew is mostly the same.

so i hope we kept the main, the tone and the flavor of the show in the characters, but, you know, the feeling on the set changed a little bit. but, you know, i've been in this business for a while. things shift, they just do, and you do the best you can to roll with it. >> talk about the internal tension of your character, which i find fascinating in watching your character, nurse jackie. you know, you've got to be strong on your job. you're in an emergency room. you've got to -- you're going to pull through, don't worry about it. and yet you have this weakness within your character. i mean, how do you do that? >> i think everybody has that. it's just a theory, but you have places where you can show up in a huge way, you know, for your job or for other people, but oftentimes when it comes to doing the same for yourself, a lot of people fall apart. and i think that is to a large degree what jackie's dealing with. >> you've got a play going too. >> i do. i'm doing a play called "the

madrid" at manhattan theater club right now through may. >> and you're raising two kids. >> and then i've got these kids. that's what i forgot this morning! >> damn! i knew there was something. >> darn kids. >> grocery list -- >> had to get to the kids. >> play, kids, interviews. >> you're leaning in. >> exactly right. >> so talk about the play. >> it's about woman who leaves her family, oddly enough. it was a topic i found sort of fascinating and it's not something that people look at a lot. and i love to do plays so the timing was right. >> what's the difference, just in terms of energy output, doing tv -- >> doing a play is really hard. it's eight shows a week. it doesn't married your mood or how you feel physically, or how tired you are, you're there eight days a week to ideally do the same show you do when you have energy. it's like boot camp. >> what do you think your kids are cooler? >> i think they like the tv show better. they have better food.

a table of candy that they don't have at the theater. >> you really should read this article. it's a very good article. you talked about how your kids used to listen to the lines. and they can't do it anymore now, because they're getting too old. >> i caught my daughter, who's 5, on my computer, watching an episode from this year, that hasn't been released yet. she can't watch that stuff, you know, unwatched. it's mortifying. >> and she repeats it. >> i have no doubt she will. >> let me give you an example. >> say it fast. >> no, your character said to the boy that took your -- you're 17 and my daughter is 14. this isn't happening. one day at home, macy said to her, ma, this isn't happening. >> i did a triple take. like, what? >> let's talk really quickly, we've been talking about the theater, but also cable television. over the past decade, it's just

a revolution. >> right. >> and you really epitomize that better than anybody. isn't it remarkable that the best work is being done there? >> i just consider myself very lucky. i've only worked on cable, really, except for a few spots here and there. it's all i know. this kind of artistic freedom and where the producers kind of stay out of the way and let the creative team do their work, for the most part, unfettered, you know. so i know people on network shows have complained that they don't have the same freedom. but this is all i know. i've only ever done shows where i curse, prolifically. so i wouldn't know what it was like if i didn't have the f-word as a big part of my vocabulary. we've got a one-second delay. >> there you go. it is striking where the entertainment menu has changed. sopranos, hbo, this is on showtime, "house of cards," netflix, watched all 13 supposed at once. it makes you wonder, you know,

we don't want to upset anybody upstairs, but what's going to happen to prime-time entertainment on the networks? >> it's happened over the past five, six years. how do you keep up with showtime if you're cbs. i mean, cbs and showtime are together. how do you keep up with hbo if you're nbc? it's extraordinarily difficult. it's like you said, the freedom that you're given every week, the creativity. when somebody goes in to write a script, when they have a concept they don't have to worry about -- >> paring it down to the least common denominators. true, this business is changing so much faster than i can keep track of. and the netflix thing is huge. where you can watch it at your own discretion when you have time in one fell swoop or a little bit at a time. it's changing exponentially. so who knows? >> that really was, i tell you what, people look back, netflix, the way they saved themselves. they were going under, they come up with original series everybody, and all of a sudden people are saying, you've got to watch "house of cards," and you can watch it in one sitting.

for losers like me. >> who was that time. >> your kids are doing it right now. >> not funny. >> thank you so much! the season premiere of "nurse jackie" is on sunday, april 14th, 9:00 p.m. on showtime. and the play "the madrid" is playing off broadway. 55th trestreet. we'll be right back. te, where cutting taxes for families and businesses is our business. we've reduced taxes and lowered costs to save businesses more than two billion dollars to grow jobs, cut middle class income taxes to the lowest rate in sixty years, and we're creating tax free zones for business startups. the new new york is working creating tens of thousands of new businesses, and we're just getting started. to grow or start your business visit thenewny.com governor of getting it done.

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coast, 5:00 a.m. on the west coast as a you take a live look at new york city. wow, it's beautiful. back with us on set, mike barnicle, james carville, and margaret carlson in washington. we have a lot to talk about today. let's, though, first, greg walden, man. we're going to talk about that in a second. he kind of got it from both sides yesterday. >> started with you yesterday morning, then he heard it from john boehner and just about everybody else in his part. >> yeah, we'll get to that in a minute. he did not have a good day. the gun control debate, though, is officially on the senate floor. 16 republicans, that's a pretty big number. 16 republicans joined 50 democrats and two independents in voting to allow the debate to begin. the proposals are going to include expanded background checks on gun sales and strengthen mental health and safety school programs. some families of the victims of the newtown tragedy have mixed feelings about the vote. >> i was very pleased with how

many yeses we did have and happy that we were able to get this passed, but i was still completely shocked that there were so many we were still against this and who still believe that we don't need to be heard, that newtown doesn't deserve a vote and that nothing needs to be done. we had a good start. this is one thing we needed done and we're not going away. >> the vote was enough to overcome threats of a filibuster. not everyone is on board. senator mark begich of alaska is one of two democrats who actually voted against moving this bill forward. >> i vote what's important for alaska. it's not a party decision, it's not a conservative versus liberal. my issue is that the base bill that's in front of us right now does not show, has a lot of issues with it. so i'm concerned about the base bill. there's a lot of ideas that people have, but i haven't seen those amendments. those are a lot of talking points and press releases, so i want to see as we move forward, but what i got to vote on was a

cloture vote related to a bill in front of us and that bill does not satisfy alaskans. >> john cornyn of texas, who's in the leadership of the republican party of the senate, also voted to block debate. and he said for him, it's a matter of actually whether the bill will accomplish anything at the end of the day. >> i am not interested in congress voting on a measure that would have no impact on the horrific violence we've seen in recent months. the president has told some of these victims' families that this side of the aisle doesn't really care about their loss. that's not true. that's false. the president is wrong. all of us care about these families. and all of us should care about violence in our communities and we should try to work together to find ways to address this. not in a symbolic sort of way,

but in a real way that offers a solution. >> you know, john, john cornyn, probably made a safe bet for texas, a safe vote for texas. we certainly disagree with it, but if you're advising him in a republican primary with ted cruz on your right, you'd probably tell him to do what you're doing. i'm surprised, though, that the 16 republicans that voted to allow the debate to move forward made this such a comfortable margin. >> that was quite a number. to some extent, it's correct, but it's not going to do any good, because it's not going to pass the house. cornyn's right, what they're doing in the senate is not going to do a lot of good, because it probably doesn't have a chance to get out of the house. but it does show after an event like this is something, you know, 90% of the people in the united states want expanded background checks. >> so you don't think expanded background checks against criminals is going to pass the house? >> i don't think, no. i hope i'm wrong, but i don't

think, no. >> boy, how would you like to be a republican in one of those shrink ing swing districted tha votes against keeping guns out of the hands of al qaeda terrorists and violent rapists. >> the key word is shrinking. yeah, shrinking swing district. and this is what they're faced with. and i'll tell you another thing. i've seen this gun debate a long time in politics. and the gun people remember you a lot longer for good or ill than the anti-gun people remember you. >> right. >> they are a powerful lobby. they're a lobby that in many instances i don't agree with. but they have long memories. and they're there and i think that they're going to just bring the hammer down. i've read that there are like 219 republican members who fear a primary more than a general election. as long as you have that, it's going to be hard to get to those other votes. >> james is right, the nra is

incredibly powerful, but the conversation is a little bit different this time. there is more money, more focus, more attention going on to this issue. i think the fight's a little bit more difficult this time. the thing that strikes me about yesterday's vote, which is 68 to 31, which is probably more votes for than we thought, the third, what they effectively said yesterday is not only will i not allow this bill to pass is, i don't want to debate this bill. i don't even want to allow this to come to the floor to talk about the possibility of a conversation about background checks. so margaret carlson, it does the question, then, if there are 31 votes and j.ohn mccain was on te sunday shows saying a filibuster against this was outrageous and uncon shkon shecon shekoconscioe unconscionable, there's a group that's not even willing to move forward from here. >> the conversation doesn't even help those 31. when the passion and the memory are on the other side, that is nra side, it makes it hard for those people, where they're going to get primaried in rural

districts or districts that are so gerrymandered, that look like they were to the benefit of one party or the other, we're talking about, say, conservative districts. when your real problem now is your ultraconservative that's going to come in and get you. but as joe says, for the first time, with passion on the other side, that is, the gun control side, and with money on the other side, and memory, we can see that there can be movement. if a senator yesterday said these votes now are like putting training wheels on some politicians, look, you can do it. you know, you can ride, you can still stay on the bike and vote against the nra. that this is a great thing for the gun control advocates, just to see that you can do it. and if we don't have those that joe is talking about, somebody, then, the money isn't there. and then the nra is going to

win. but i think that those on the other side are going to follow through and it's going to be different this time. >> republicans on the hill yesterday found themselves in some more uncharted waters, defending the president's budget proposal against criticism against one of their leaders. it all stems from republican congressman greg walden. he's the head of the national republican congressional committee, who on wednesday said that the president's proposed changes to social security, by changing cost of living increases to the consumer price index, were unfair. >> his budget really lays out kind of a shocking attack on seniors, if you will. i think he's going to have a lot of pushback from some of the major senior organizations on this and republicans as well. but i don't see this budget as either on time, adding up, balancing, and, further, i think it really does go right at seniors in a way they're going to be shocked coming out of this administration plp. >> we, obviously -- well, i'll just say i, i, obviously, was

very upset yesterday morning, that we've been asking the president of the united states to show some responsibility on social security, medicare, medicaid, and he did it, and then one of our republican leaders went out and attacked him, makes us look absolutely terrible. and if more republicans follow, that would be better for future generations of americans. well, yesterday, others jumped in to the debate. house speaker john boehner also reacted and said this. >> i've made it clear that i disagree with what chairman walden said. he and i have had a conversation about it. this is the least we must do to begin the solve the problems in social security. >> that is a great way to put it. this is the least. this is the very least we have to do to address the entitlement crisis in america and take care of long-term debt. and if you have republicans in the house leadership that are demagoguing this issue, my god, we're all in trouble.

and club for growth says it is now looking for a candidate to challenge walden in a primary because of those comments. there are groups like club for growth that have been warning about the coming entitlement crisis for decades. and for a member of the house leadership to step up and say something like this is so unfortunate. i'm glad john boehner got out and said what he said, as quickly as he did. but it just shows, james. come on, you're going to be cynical again. you're cynical about -- >> why would i be cynical about politics? >> you're going to be cynical about social security, you're going to say walden was smart to do what he did. what do you teach your kids down there in new orleans? >> well, one of the things that you've got to understand is that this will also raise taxes to the tune of about $130 billion. and grover norquist has already come out and said that this is a

violation of the tax pledge, because it affects the rates, as it goes up. >> chained cpi. >> yes, chained cpi -- >> grover is going to get run over again. >> grover's point --ic from the standpoint of democrats, when you talk to them, they're not that upset about. a little bit upset, but what they would say is, is why don't we hold out and negotiate and have that part of a larger deal, because it looks like the president is the kind of guy that walks in car lot, you know, $25,000 on the window, and he goes, good, i'll give you 26. you know, you offer the guy -- no, you give him 24, but don't start with your best bid. what the white house would say and our friends from oregon, this will throw him off. they'll get all discombobulated, because they won't know how to deal with this. but that's the argument that the democrats say. try to be a poker player a little bit. let's don't show what we're willing to do here first.

>> margaret carlson, i don't think it's quite that bad at the white house, is it? >> i think it's worse. i think he pays $26,000 and doesn't even get gps. you know, from the beginning, the president has negotiated and shown his best, you know, he's given everything he's going to give from the outset. he's not a good negotiator. but on this, i mean, walden spent the day in the woodshed. but, you know, there's this problem, look at the campaign when after obama cut the $716 billion for medicare, he was pummeled for it. romney made ryan drop it from his budget. and you know, we move forward. you can't touch medicare. you know, republicans won't join hands in the entitlement cuts when, you know, it gets -- when they're in a campaign or it gets close, they don't want to do it either. this is a problem. this is a terrible problem. we have spenders and entitlement reform is hard for everybody.

>> that -- mike, that is what we have. we have a bunch of spenders. and we've had nothing but a bunch of spenders over the past decade in both parties. that's why we're $16.5 trillion in debt. >> so what we've seen, where speaker boehner takes congressman walden into his office, shuts the door, and slaps him around all day long yesterday. what does the president of the united states do with the left wing of his party in the united states senate, many of whom just jumped all over him yesterday? >> i think he likes that. i don't think he's upset -- he's like, look -- he got a very favorable "washington post" editorial. he'll love that. "morning joe," very favorable commentary right here. i'll guarantee you, if he's up watching this right now, got a good david brooks column. he's kind of excited this morning. this is kind of important to him. and the fact, all these guys, i'm really trying to do something, but in his mind, the

white house is not, they're not totally out of their minds. they say, if we do this, it will throw the republicans off. we have put something out there. and this is something that we would have agreed to any way in the larger context. understand, this president really wants a grand bargain. he is going to give away the store in august 2011. >> yeah. >> he was absolutely going to give away the store. he wants that grand bargain. and this is -- they view this as the best negotiating strategy. a lot of people disagree with them, but that's their view. they really want this. he genuinely wants this. >> for democrats who think it's a bad strategy, by going on the lot and offering $26,000, he's got the other side fighting against themselves now. so not a bad strategy. he's the one that's looking like the grown-up here. the republicans are fighting. they've got to get their own leadership in line. and you know, i salute boehner for going out -- >> maybe the republicans don't want to throw the floor mats in. >> i bet you by the middle of next week, he'll be up to 28. >> we'll see. coming up on "morning joe,"

academy award winning director david guggenheim joins us on the set. he's out with a new documentary that puts a human faith on those affected. and up next, legendary comedian and actor carol burnett, it gets no bigger than this. this is unbelievable! my grandma, who i used to watch carol burnett show, would tell me, i'm in high cotton now. finally, i'm in high cotton. but first, bill capers has got a check on the forecast. it's got to get nicer out there soon. >> not to the we could yet, especially in the east. we're looking at a miserable morning in areas of the northeast and down through the carolinas. the airports are starting the back up now too because of the low visibility. yesterday, the big story was the tornado that hit mississippi. unfortunately, it did take one life. let me show you pictures of this twister. this one was strong, but it was on the ground, rolling through much of the rural countryside there in kemper county, mississippi. and as i mentioned, it did hit one house and there was one

fatality. look at that. you can see the air being sucked into that thing. let me talk about the airport delays out there. we are watching problems at almost all the major airports right now from philly up to new york, even d.c. has 30-minute delays. laguardia at an hour and a half. the other new york city airports doing a little bit better. we're watching this huge shield of rain, it's going to be a rainy morning right through afternoon from philly no new york. boston, look for your rain to be increasing through the morning and that will last until your evening rush hour. most locations picking up about an inch of rain. in minnesota, that white is snow. it's snowing still in minneapolis, it's snowing hard in duluth up to international falls. here's your weekend forecast. we've got the rainy weather on the east coast today, the masters should be okay for play. there's some showers out there this morning. and as we go through the weekend, notice the recovery,s around chicago and minnesota. unfortunately, it doesn't last. as we go into sunday, we've got two stories. one is heavy rain in the southeast, the last round of the masters looks a little iffy down there. we're also going to see another snowstorm on sunday for the

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that's real great, but that don't answer my question. >> what brings you to tara? >> you, you vixen, you. scarlett, i love you. that -- that -- that gown is gorgeous. >> thank you, i saw it in the window and i just couldn't resist it. >> okay, we just found out that costume is in the smithsonian as we speak. that was one of the most famous moments from the classic tv show "the carol burnett show", and joining us now, legendary comedienne, carol burnett. she's out with a new book,

"carey and me: a mother and daughter love story." joe, this is big. i'm sorry -- >> i can't believe it! i'm so excited to meet you. >> well, thank you! i'm excited to be here, even at this hour. >> it's early. >> it's too early. >> you know, mike, looking at that clip, seriously -- >> you're the greatest ever. >> you've got "i love lucy" and "the karl bur "the carol burnett show," and it was appointment tv for the entire family. you'd sit around and watch the show. >> that doesn't happen anymore. >> no. >> i would love it when you would laugh at yourself there. you'd crack yourself up. >> we didn't mean to. i swear. we didn't. but i had the idea that we're not going to stop and do pickups. we wanted to be spontaneous and be dangerous.

and we had the studio audience there and i just never wanted to stop and start again, we just barreled through. >> when did this show start. >> 1967. >> can you believe that?! >> and then it went to 1978. >> so we always talk about trailblazers. we're talking about trailblazers as far as women go. and you certainly hear about lucy, but starting that in 1967, in an industry that is still misogynist, that is still backward looking. >> back then! >> how did you do that? how did you break through? >> well, i had a clause in the contract with cbs that they'd totally forgotten. i'd signed a ten-year contract and they put a clause in, which was never before, and i'm sure never again, where within the first five years of the contract, if i wanted to do an hour-long variety show, they would have to put it on for 30 shows, pay or play. so i didn't think i'd ever do

it. so the last part of the fifth year, the last week, i called and i said, you know, i think i want to do that variety show. and they said, what? >> and you said, excuse me -- >> exactly. and i remembered, they tried to talk me out of it. they said, you know, carol, it's a man's game. it's dean martin, it's gleason, it's milburle and all of these guys and there had never been a woman doing a comedy variety and they had to put it ton the air. >> do you know how you got that clause? do you remember how that came about? >> well, evidently i was in demand at that time o because i had just came off the gary moore show. so i had an agent that put it in. >> a good agent. >> yeah. or it never would have happened. >> never would have happened. >> well, i'm just curious, at that time, as a female comedian, were there areas that were no-go

areas for you. was there anything you felt that you couldn't do? or couldn't cover? >> no, we did just about everything. no, we were fine. you know, we didn't -- but in those days, it was kind of innocent. everything was. you know, it wasn't edgy or hard or blue or anything. >> but comedy, by its nature, there's a lot of power behind it. >> oh, yeah, oh, yeah. >> so when you went forward with the show, because you said to them, look at my contract, here's what i've got, i've got to do this. you were being told, this is not for you, it's the guys or whatever, how did you know that you could do this? >> because that was all i knew, because i had done the gary moore show before that, and that was a musical comedy review every week. and that's what i loved. i loved the music, i loved guest stars, i loved a rep company, all of that. and i didn't want to do a sitcom. they wanted -- >> so you knew they were all wrong? >> yes. i just knew that's what i could do. they wanted me to do a sitcom, and i didn't want to be the same person week after week.

>> okay. i'll be drinking to you tonight. >> i just have to ask. >> that's amazing. >> what was the secret? what made the show work so well? what makes it so, i see that clip all these years later, and not only do i go back to sitting with my parents is and my gra grandmom, but i'm also laughing hysterically here in 2013. what made that show so incredibly successful? >> i think certainly the writing. we had wonderful writers. and the fact that we had -- it was a family-type thing, and we all really, i know it sounds like a collie shay but we really did love each other. and i wanted every one of my cohorts to shine and i learned that from gary moore. because lots of times we'd be reading a script or a sketch or something and he'd have a funny like and he'd say, give to carol, i can't say that as funny

as i can. that's the way i felt about harvey and tim and dickey and lyle, you know, let them shine, and if they shine, we're going to shine. >> if they do better, we do better. >> you bet. >> and that's how we feel on this show. we love everybody on this show. except for barnicle. nobody likes barnicle. >> but when that's the case, you want the other person to do better, because you know if they do better, everybody does better. >> that's it. if you've got a good tennis player against you, you're going to play a better game of tennis. >> right. let's talk about your book, "carrie and me." we were talking about before the most difficult relationship in any family. there's not a close second, mother/daughter. talk about the ups and downs of that. and why you wrote the book. >> i wrote the book because carrie was writing, she was a performer, a musician, an actress, a writer, a singer, she

did everything. and so this one time in 2001, she was writing a story about a bohemian girl named kate, who was -- takes a road trip to graceland with a mysterious cowboy. and she kind of fashioned the character after herself. and she decided to take that road trip herself to soak up the vibes from hollywood to graceland. and in the meantime, she would send me scenes, and i'd e-mail back, and so we had this correspondence going. and then she would also e-mail me about her personal adventures while she was on the road. after she'd been diagnosed with cancer and she was in the hospital for the last time, she said, mom, could you finish "sunrise on memphis" for me. and she had a beginning, the end, and part of the middle. and i said, sweetie, i don't think i can. they're your characters to

write. and she said, that's okay. so her request had been living with me for ten years when i figured out what i could do. and that would be to -- i wanted to write about her, because she was a force. everybody loved her. she was funny, she was up and talented. and so i wanted to write about everything that i went through with carrie and that we -- and how we were joined at the hip, during her later years, and we wrote together and worked together. and then part 2, i added, "sunrise in memphis," the unfinished version, so people could read what she was writing. that's how it came about. >> what a tribute. >> well, here you are, mama, forgive me, carrie says to you, she's in the hospital. for what, sweetheart? smoking. i hugged her very hard. ma ma, maybe you could finish "sunrise in memphis" for me. well, honey, i'm not sure i could write what you are aiming for. it's okay, mama.

yes, baby. am i headed for graceland, she asked you. so how hard was this for you to write? >> actually, i wasn't -- it wasn't that hard, because it was poring out of me. and so it was a release. i felt good about it. and i also felt carrie on my shoulder. you know, there was a presence there and i could almost hear her say, go for it, mom, go. so it actually freed me to write this and as i was writing, and i do write, i felt good about it. yeah, it wasn't that hard. it was something i felt i had to do. >> you said she was a force. what -- what about her personality. what drew people to her the most? >> her smile, her optimism. she would, there was a part, she wrote me an e-mail once saying

on the road trip, she had gone into a kind of family-type restaurant or whatever and she had this big smile and she would smile and everybody would be open to her, and then she said, mama, i don't know why people don't smile more, because if you walk into a room full of strangers and you smile, the world opens up to you. and that's the kind of girl she was. even in the hospital, one afternoon, i was there to go see carrie, and a nurse came up to me, and she said, i have to tell you something about your daughter. and i said, yes. she said, she cheers us up. and she said, i asked carrie, how come she's always so cheerful. and her reply was, every day -- every morning i wake up and decide, and this is a key word, decide -- every morning i wake up and decide, today i'm going to love my life.

and that's who she was. >> how did your other two daughters recover from the loss, along with you? >> well, we've all felt -- i mean, it was devastating. and the two girls with her, jodi and erin were with carrie when she passed away. and they loved their sister. they were like the three mu musketee musketeers. and we, you know, it's devastating, but you do learn to cope. that's what happens. you know, there's not a day goes by that carrie's not in my heart, you know, but i have learned to cope. and she was here for a brief time on earth, but she made a mark with everybody who knew her. and people who didn't. i mean, she's on youtube, if you youtube her, some of her performances on "fame" and "tokyo pop," so you can see her. and she gets fan mail on

youtube. >> so carol burnett, everybody knows your body of work. we were so excited to have you on today. but this clearly is the most important thing you've ever done. >> yes, it is. >> and i urge everyone to get the book, "carrie and me: a mother/daughter love story." thank you so much for being on today. >> well, thank you. >> it's such an honor to meet you. up next, cnbc's brian shactman join us live from the masters in augusta, georgia. we'll be right back with much more on "morning joe." flying is old hat for business travelers. the act of soaring across an ocean in a three-hundred-ton rocket doesn't raise as much as an eyebrow for these veterans of the sky. however, seeing this little beauty over international waters is enough to bring a traveler to tears.

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one in the world, and corporations have billions in cash and they're throwing around money here like unprecedented in the last maybe ten years. i want to talk about tickets, first of all. face value for a four-day badge is $250. they have gone for $10,000. we had tickets for today, single day for $2,500. i mean, the dislocation between supply and demand caught everybody by surprise. and mika, one reason they're talking about it, which is fascinating, augusta national golf club last year finally admitted women. darla moore, the financier, and condoleezza rice, of course, the former secretary of state, and there were companies, and we're at the double eagle club across the street, that host a lot of clients, they told us that companies were staying away from the masters because of this controversy and now that it's gone, they have come back in droves. that's a huge factor in the corporate spend that has gone way up this year. >> you know, mika, the question isn't revolving around darla

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film, "the dream is now," it will be airing on msnbc the sunday. >> bubba guggenheim, good to see you. >> good morning. >> it rolls off the tongue. >> yeah. >> you keep doing it with these docs. >> of course, you tackled global warming, education reform, why immigration now? >> these dreamers you meet and read about. i met a "new york times" article about these dreamers that are coming forward, undocumented, but coming out in public and saying my name is nikko, and they're risking everything, showing their status in public because they want to get this mission forward. we brought some of these dreamers to the capitol the other day to scream for the house and senate. these people are in tears. this girl, ola, who wants to cure cancer, she's a top student, we may kick her out. and she says, speaker pelosi, your vote is my future.

and she's not lying. i don't want to give her away to another country, her talent and her potential. and we will. >> it was unbelievable that we were giving the speech at the 92nd street "y." supposed to be the most progressive place. just marxist stuff there. a lady in the third row stands up and say, these people come here to our universities and then they take our jobs. why don't we send them back. i said, no, no, they don't take our jobs if they go to top universities, they make our jobs. would you rather the student, the immigrant from india create 1,600 new jobs in north carolina or new delhi? this is not a close call. >> you see that everywhere. and that's why i made the movie. if people spend 30 minutes to watch this movie, the fear goes away. you meet these people. you put -- we were talking about it, you put a face on this issue. >> put a face on this for people who hopefully will watch it sunday night on msnbc. city of chicago has 11,000 candidates, rotc candidates. tell us about alejandro, who

wants to be a united states marine. >> you meet this guy, alejandro, he's a top, top kid in chicago. wants to be a marine. the marines want him. but we can't let him. his best friend, we watched with him, is heartbroken, going to his best friend's graduation to the marine academy in san diego, tears are rolling down his face. he doesn't want to do anything else but fight for our country. i was walking with him in the rotunda, and he is so proud to be an american, and yet, i don't know what's going to happen to him. if this doesn't pass, he's screwed. he's now taked courses to learn how to drive a truck at 3:00 in the morning, because that's his plan "b." >> that kind of get up and go, you know, so is incredible. and that's what always amazes me about the immigration debate. my father was an immigrant, came to study here from turkey, started a business. if he had stayed in turkey, might actually be richer at this point. there are opportunities back in these countries. and i just think that that understanding hasn't gotten through. these are people we should be

competing to get. >> and if we solve this thing, the center for american progress shows we add $329 billion to our economy. it's good for all of us. it's this high-minded idea. >> do you ever wonder, you were just showing it to members of the house and the senate. do you ever wonder what has happened off of your father, to institutional memory in this country? we are all immigrants. what has happened here? >> we, most of our relatives, came without documentation. i hate to break it to you, but our great grandparents are undocumented as well. so when do we become that other country? and if we shut that down, who are we? >> when did you start working on this? >> december. that's why it's a short film. we just said, we have to get this thing out while the bill drops. so we just finished this week. >> how'd you shoot it, then? i'm just curious about the, just the mechanical aspect of trying to do something so quickly? >> no sleep. >> yeah, okay. >> pretty much no sleep.

that's why i'm here on "morning joe". >> quick answer. >> it's amazing. >> you know, if you had done this movie six months ago, a year ago whereby it would just be a liberal voice crying in the wilderness. now -- >> well, i try not to be that guy. i try not to be that hippie lefty guy. i try to build a pragmatic argument -- >> actually, i was joking about that. as you know, i agree with you a heck of a lot more than i disagree with you. but now, you're talking about reality. this looks like it's going to happen. and it makes the film even more relevant. >> yeah, mccain is coming out, paul ryan is coming out, rand paul is coming out for this. >> wow. >> i think there's a political hazard in not supporting it. but will it happen? you know, will it happen? and it's still a question. >> you have done it again. "the dream is now" will air on msnbc this sunday at 4:00 eastern time. you've got to watch it.

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