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schiavocampo in for craig melvin. you are watching msnbc, the place for politics. secretary of state john kerry met with leaders hoping to persuade the north to end its brinksmanship with the north and its allies. let's take a listen. >> the united states and china remain fully committed to the september 2005 joint statement of the six-party talks and to its core goal. and that core goal is the verifiable denuclearization of the pen anyoinsula in a peacefu manner. ian williams joins us live. what was the take away? will china be help envelope trying to defuse the threats? >> reporter: john kerry sudden lynn believes that and said in that same press conference that he thought china was very

serious about [ inaudible ] change its behavior and china -- kerry saw the leadership, prime minister li, xi jinping as well as the top policy officials. he told xi that was critical time for a number of issues but of course, none more so than north korea. now, at the end of today, we had an agreement with two sides saying that they would work dog together for the denucle denuclearizati denuclearization, but no idea what china will do and in particular what immediate step it is might take to reduce the tensions we fear the most from the peninsula. now, the american side has come here clearly hoping that china would crack down on elicit payments, banking, other issues

across their shared bothered and also be fairly forceful in trying to [ inaudible ] kerry seemed optimistic with the talks they have but seemed short on detail. >> ian williams live in beijing. thank you for that. now to our top political headlines. monday is tax day and the white house released the obama and biden's 2012 tax returns. the first family reported a gross income of about $600,000 and they paid over $100,000 in total taxes. president obama made over $250,000 from book sales alone. and the gop may still be reeling from their big losses in 2012, but the show must go on.

the republican national committee is wrapping up its spring meeting in hollywood, of all places. yesterday the party passed resolutions opposing same-sex marriage and encouraging the supreme court to do the same. and for the first time ever in the obama administration, private citizens delivered the weekly presidential address. francine wheeler's 6-year-old son, ben, was killed in newtown, connecticut, last year. she was in washington with her husband, ben, to urge politicians to vote on stricter gun control laws. let's take a look. >> in the four months since we lost our loved ones, thousands of other americans have died at the end of a gun. thousands of other families across the united states are also drowning in our grief. please help us do something before our tragedy becomes your tragedy. >> again that historic weekly address the first ever delivered by a private citizen.

for more now on the plight of the newtown families and the latest in the gun control debate, we are joined by syndicated columnist bob franken, politico's ed with a ward isaac devare and the national journey's alad hay i zbladdy. thank you for being here. >> good to be here. >> bob, i want to start with you. the newtown families took washington by storm this week. yesterday, politico reportered this actually receiving guidance from political lobby pisses and d.c. insiders. one person told politico "these are smart, articulate people who don't have a scintilla of washington about them but they virtually cannot be denied a meeting." >> you have to be lobby and most effectively lobby to get what is

gettable. so far, they have done that in a really admirable way. >> edward isaac that political article also mentioned an anecdote about meeting with maine's susan collins. the president was supposed to have dinner that night and unsure if she would make the meet egg with the familiesing w >> it is important. as former house chief of staff, i would say if a family member of a deceased came in looking for a meeting, we would take that i think it is disrespectful to put at the staff level. personally, that's out of respect at least, even if you disagree on the policy, you should show the respect to the family and meet face to face. >> these families have an unshakeable moral authority. what's it like having them barnstorming the hill? how effective has that been? >> this was the week, finally after weeks of talking about what kind of deal might be done on gun control, we saw senators

manchin and toomey come together and say they have a plan they thought might have support. it seems like a big week but it's all for show at this 12k3w4r50i6r7b8g9sds 12k3w4r50i6r7b8g9sds 1y50e6r7kds 12k3w4r50i6r7b8g9sds 12k3w4r50i6r7b8g9sds to 12k3w4r50i6r7b8g9sds moment. >> hopefully conk gets more done than seinfeld did. what is the significance of having one of the newton moms deliver the president's weekly address, as we mentioned, seems to be the first time a private seine has ever done so. >> yeah it's hard to watch that address and not feel some kind of emotion. and it really underscores what these families is been able to accomplish on the hill. i mean, we are hearing anecdotes

of senators meeting with these families, openly crying and weeping. there was a last-minute plea in connecticut by 11 family members of newtown victims to ban all high-capacity ammunition magazines and they weren't able to get that. they know they can't get everything but it really keeps the emotional part of this debate out in the conversation and not before. >> now, bob, i want to come back to you, let's turn to the actual legislation at hand for a moment. the last couple of weeks, some very prominent republicans, marco rubio, ted cruz and rand paul were all threatening to filibuster a bill before it even saw the light of day. that got totally shot down this week, in part, because other

republicans disagreed with it. does that take away some of the power that ruin yo, cruz and paul might have had in this debate? >> it delays it a little bit. first of all, let's be realistic here. the reason that the filibuster was not established is because of an agreement between senators manchin and toomey that presented a watered down version of gun registration. of the record checks. that kind of thing. already watered down. as we know, any attempt at an assault weapons ban is doomed in the united states senate. now we have this laborious process of senate debate you going to be amendments probably going to weaken it even further. you have the nra waiting for that deterioration to take place. you have politicians that quake at the sight of an nra lobbyist faced with a dilemma. are they influenced by the very human tragedy they are being faced with or will the instincts to quake at the feet of the nra going to take over in the final

result? >> eelahe, i would like to look at poll numbers. a new poll shows 65% of women favor stronger gun laws. you what about the gender gap issue. what accounts for that? is it a matter of difference in who ounce guns or a different temperament between the sexes? >> the gender gap on gun laws has been a long-standing one. men are three times more likely to own guns than women and your opinions on gun control and gun legislation are influenced or determined by whether there's a gun in your home. you are seeing the newtown shooting, of course that affected all americans, but

mothers, they feel that that special emotional tie. a lot of it does have to do with that as well. >> can't hurt him in

pennsylvania, trending increasingly blue. a swing state in presidential elections, it is pretty much gone slam. republican governor of pennsylvania at the moment but seep as one of the most endangered republican governors in the country for the election next year. it is a democratic state more and more so. having president obama and other left-leaping people saying nice things about pat toomey may not be the worst thing about his political future. >> leave it there. thank you all. nbc news just confirmed that the palestinian prime minister salam fayad redesigned. the resignation could affect the west relations with the palestinian authority. in the wake of secretary of state john kerry meeting with fay yad last week, he served as

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a new bipartisan immigration reform bill could be pretent sented to the u.s. senate on tuesday. the so-called group of eight senators happen about working to come up with a plan to deal with the 11 million undocumented immigrants already in this country as well as future immigration issues. let's bring in raul grijalva.

>> thank you, appreciate. >> it is believed border security is a key component of that plant your district runs allowing the border with mexico. what do you think needs to be done to secure the border? >> i'm convinced that security and enforcement are going to be part of whatever package deal comes out of the senate. enhanced resource and missions in that area. in doing so, i think that we have to look at the complexity of that border region.

over all when it comes to this issue, how does policy need to be change snfrmd i think as simple as changing detentiodete.

>> instead of splitting them up in different locations and locales it only causes more hardship. 51% of the repeat entries into this country are individuals that are coming back to be with their citizen family, whether it be a spouse or children. and we have to deal with that. and we have to deal with that as part of a comprehensive package of immigration reform and i hope that the senators are also looking at enforcement not just as something that the public wants and demands but also as something that has to work, it has to complement immigration reform and a path to citizenship and has to complement transparency and public disclosure. >> thousands of immigration reform supporters demonstrated in washington wednesday.

we got new numbers this week with our poll. 64% support giving undocumented immigrants a path to citizenship. do you think the move is changing? >> changed dramatically the last 18 months, two years, from a position of it's us versus them. a lot fueled by rhetoric. >> if a bill gets through the senate, what can we expect? >> colleagues working in the house. good people on this issue 10, 15 years.

in the house, i think more problematic than the senate. a harder and more intense operation to immigration reform, the rhetoric is harsher in terms of immigrants leadership in the house that will throw up road blocks. the senate bill will be the temp plat we work from. i'm okay with that i don't have huge expectations what comes out of the house is going to be any better. i'm convinced, more restrictive, apply to less people, costly and thus, never really work when implemented. congressman, thank you very much for your time. coming up, the extraordinary emmanuels, three rambunctious chicago boys grow up to be leaders in politics, hollywoods and medicine.

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president obama is hardly a fashion icon but he most certainly knows "what not to wear." let's listen to what happened when the u.s. naval academy football team presented him with a custom-fitted helmet. >> here is general rule you don't put stuff on your head if you're a president. [ laughter ] that's politics 101. you never look good wearing something on your head. >> rules to live by. yesterday the team received their commander in chief trophy after defeating the air force team, 28-21. it's their eighth trip to the white house in the past ten years, having won 19 of the 21 games against other service academies. the president jokes he and the first lady were just thinking of leaving the white house key under the rug for them. into the political playground we go. two current vice presidents met in the west wing this week.

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new developments in texas today. police there arrested former justice of the piece erik williams overnight. they were searching williams home as part of their investigation into the murder of district attorney mike mclelland and his wife last month. another lawyer from the same d.a.'s office was fatally shot earlier this year. police haven't named williams as a suspect but they are charging him with making a terrorist threat. pope francis wants to reform the catholic church and he is asking an american cardinal for help. cardinal sean o'malley from boston is one of eight cardinals focusing on reform. the cardinals will meet for the first time in october. earlier today, secretary of state john kerry met with chinese leaders and spoke about the unfolding unrest developing out of north korea. let's take a listen.

there is an effort to present a united front. more now, i'm joined by gordon chang, an expert on the region, author of "nuclear showdown, north korea takes on the world." thank you for being here, sir. >> thank you. >> china said tonight only country that has diplomatic leverage but they are in a delicate position. what action can we expect them to take, if any? >> i don't think they will do anything. the words we heard are the same from a decade ago there is no evidence of a shift. you know, there are things that they could do, for instance, they could cut off the banking system to the north koreans, that would be very important. they could prevent the north koreans from using chinese airspace to send ballistic missiles to iran. mobile missile launchers increased the ability to wage

nuclear war. a lot of thing these could do don't seem to be making a change. >> monday is a national holiday in north korea. in the past, seen coincidings of i big launches. should we expect ac or too unpredictable? >> i do expect something tonight. when secretary qurei leaves china and in japan. if north co >> what do we know about what he might want from this? is it an effort to get aid, attention? prove something to his own people and military?

>> of course we would like aid. i don't think that tis the primary reason. he hasn't consolidated his position. purging the officials loyalty to his dad. those haven't gone well. no time since 1949 has a north korean leader had less support than kim jung-un has today. he wants to make sure he is around for the second and third anniversaries of his rule. right now, i suspect that he will. is an uncertain position. >> if there is a test launch and it does not land in the ocean but perhaps makes groundfall somewhere. what would the result be? >> that would be a major incident. clearly, the united states would have to retaliate, if it was american soil. we haven't made the north koreans suffer any consequences over the course of decades, even for killing americans in season of pueblo. now south korea and the united states, there is a view something needs to be done, if

we don't there will be more provocations in the future. now that north korea has weapons and missiles, the provocations get worse. castro says to kim jung-un cut it out because we don't need another cuban missile crisis, you know we are in trouble. >> bad when castro is taking a position. quickly, this week, we heard about this intelligence report that said that there were certain sectors of the intelligence group that believed north korea could arm a missle with nuclear weapons what is your view on that? >> north korea making faster progress than we thought. within three years, they will put a nuclear war head on top of a three-stage ballistic missile and target any american city. they are making a lot of progress. that is the real story, even if they can't do it today, they will do it very soon. >> the u.s. went to war with iraq over the issue of nuclear weapons, what steps, after done with this current tension now, presuming it does resolve it steps what steps should the

united states make to make sure this regime doesn't develop its nuclear capabilities? >> sanctions could be tighter, the most important thing is preinvestigate the north koreans from selling what they have to the iranians, sell everything they have got, nuclear weapons and three-stage ballistic missiles. chinas participate because they allow the north koreans to use chinese airspace. this is the top priority now. >> have to leave it there. gordon chang, thank you for joining me. >> thank you. something taken for granted in the united states is a tool for empowerment for women in afghanistan. a colorado woman made the bischool vehicle for social change there helping new women's afghan national cycling team get ready for the olympics. nbc's mike taibbi has that story. 6. >> reporter: in a country where by custom and history, women rarely drive cars and almost never ride bikes, salma isn't just the leader of around a

dozen female riders, she is the best rider on the new afghan national cycling team, a symbol of hope for all afghan women. winning medals in regional competitions and shaping a dream. >> translator: to waive the flag of afghanistan in the olympics to prove to the world that women in afghanistan have progressed. >> reporter: but salma and her teammates only ride because a colorado mountain biker named shannon galvin who pedaled afghanistan's remote trails during years as relief worker wanted to expand. it is more than sports, but it is a symbolle of freedom. >> reporter: when she learned that afghanistan's best known rider are was forming a team and intended to include female racers, she jumped in. her mountain-to-mountain non-profit collecting rooms full of donated bikes and gear. >> if they are willing to take the risk, the least we can do is support them. >> reporter: the risks are real,

death threats, constant harassment. >> when the girls are riding, do men yell at them? >> yeah. >> so predictable that the whole team trains in secret, dodging trucks and countless road hazards on the edge of town, the girls always in head scarves, full sleeves and long pants, fighting the stub born taboo. in fact, in kabul's main bicycle mart, the very idea of women riding bikes to go to work to go to the market to get from here to there, meets with one response. old and young, the men here, and it's all men, except for the women passing through, say no. women should not ride a bicycle, we were told, they should be at home and cover their faces if they are out. still, salma says that while some humiliate us, others encourage us. the encouragement from colorado is crucial and growing. >> we have got shoes. we've got helmets. we've got a ton of cycling clothing. tools. we have got various parts.

tires. and we've got bikes. >> reporter: gal pin says the bike shops and individuals donating all that gear are not just supporting an athletic enterprise, they are making a new movement possible for all afghan women. >> the bike is a credible vehicle for social justice, the bike becomes a vehicle for change. >> reporter: the afghan racer ares, now with their first passports, are ready to show the world that one aspect of whatever afghanistan will turn into will not be rolled back. mike taibbi, nbc news, kabul. >> the woman who made that all possible, shannon gal pin, is heading to afghanistan next week to deliver bikes and gear to the afghan women's team through her non-profit, mountain to mountain and she joins me now from denver. shannon, thank you so much for being here. >> thank you for having me. >> so, what a remarkable story. what inspired you to take this on? >> well, i'm mountain biker by heart. it's definitely a colorado thing, i think. and when i have been working in afghanistan, it was really shocking to be in a country

where women weren't allowed to ride bikes. that's pretty unusual, even saudi arabia recently lifted their ban on women riding bikes. so when the opportune ate rose that we found these women last fall that were really willing to take on this last taboo, we wanted to support. >> and beyond the obvious athletic benefits, what does this program give to the women that you are working with? >> well, these women are literally blazing trails, these are women that are taking on the challenges of women's rights and the perception of women head on. and so certainly beyond the sport around the athleticism of riding a bike, they are also challenging what it is to be a would. >> and they are doing that certainly through this sport. i mean what are some of the risks that they are taking in doing this? we famously seeing women face repercussions for fighting for things like education and other women's rights. what are some of your concerns with the women you are working with here? >> i say it's really on par with

the things that we've seen about women fighting for the right for education, women running for parliament. they are doing something that no other woman has done before in afghanistan. so much like young girls get targeted for walking to school and something so benign, to get an education, these women definitely have pushing on that barrier and certainly could be targeted. that is definitely a risk. just like the young girls walking to school if they are willing to take that risk to make change in their country and to be part of that next generation, where women can ride bikes, women can go to school, women can fight for the rights in the parliament and in the government its least we can do is support them. >> what are you hearing from them? >> i think for a lot of them is confidence, like sports has a rule everywhere, certainly here, give the a lot of confidence building in these women.

they are incredibly strong willed, great support from their family, integral to what they are doing. i think that, by and large, even the men's team has a lot of difficulty riding on the roads. the response from by standers is not positive. should they go further, take it to the olympics, compete outside their country it start doors build a lot of national pride. and so the afghan does really rally behind these women, much like they have done in other sports with women. >> what are the team's prospects for the olympics? >> going to take a lot of work. these are women that are literally starting a brand new sport. they are literally needing to learn bike handling skills in a pack in a race pack. they raced in pakistan and india

and not all of them are finishing the races but they are showing up and they are starting and right there is really huge. incredible first step. we have a lot of support from the bike industry here in the u.s. willing to get behind them and mentor them. >> certainly continue to root them on, shannon galpin, founder of mountain to mountain, thank you for your time this afternoon. >> thank you for having me. 43 years ago today, the world heard the apollo 13 call for help but do you know what the naugastronauts really said houston? we will tell you. wlap [ male announcer ] progress isn't about where you've been. ♪ it's about where you're going. the new ram 1500. best-in-class 25 mpg. ♪ north american truck of the year. ♪ the truck of texas. better residual value than ford and chevy.

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mother. >> well, that was president obama referring to the well renowned differenter of his former chief of staff, rahm emanuel, now mayor of chicago, of course, he has two high-profile brothers, ari, a powerful agent, the inspiration for a character on the show "entourage" and eleak yell, a doctor and white house adviser are. dr. emanuel has written a book about life with his brothers and recently spoke about it with brian williams on "rock center." >> what did mom put in the clear zal three different brothers three different areas, how did that happen? how can i raise my kids this way. >> after this interview, how i do not raise my kids this way? >> not manual how do you raise your kids? point of fact, don't try this at home. >> only the emanuel manual and shouldn't be considered a manual for any -- don't try this at home. >> doctor emanuel joins me from

washington. thank you for joining me. >> thank you for having me. >> what are some of the less suns think looking back on your childhood that people can take today raising their own children? >> the first thing i do want to say is it's not all in the nurture. say nature clearly has a big role and i also say that luck has a role, if we were born in a different country, we never would have been as successful as we are. having given all those disclaimers, i would say that one thing that was really important in our growing up was my mom's commitment to social justice and she took us to a lot of rallies around civil rights, anti-war movements and that certainly infused us with a sense of mission in the world and i think that was very, very important for who we are. i also think they did not allow us to sort of wallow in self-pity when we failed or when we have frustrations and always encourage us to get up and try

something again so that was the second thing. the third thing is never to follow fads. we were often not in line with what everyone else was, tee we took balance lakers no boys took balance lakers we went to these demonstrations, no boys really went to the demonstrations. we had african-american friends who we played with, that was also out of step. so i think they made us endure a lot and, therefore, be our own people and think our own thoughts. >> you had three boys, all growing up in the same house. how competitive were the three of you with one another growing up and does that sense of competition still influence how hard you guys push yourselves? >> yes. and yes. i would say we had a unique kind of competitiveness, it was very warm, but it was very warm but pretty intense competitive. a lot of love for each other, slept in the same bedrooms, played a lot together but that

did not mean we weren't competitive a good competition, each trying to push the other to be better. >> now, you mentioned your mother's commitment to social justice and you also described one scene in your book where your mother took you and your brothers into the voting booth. how big a role did politics play in your life growing up? >> my grandfather, my mother's father was very politically active. he was a hard-core democrat. he thought that franklin roosevelt saved the country. and it was a sin not to vote democratic. and that voting booth episode happened because my mother had voiced the idea that she might vote for a republican who was against the war for senator and my grandfather would have none of that. they had a big argument one night and i, of course, as my brothers listened in, went to the voting booth and my mother was teaching us about citizenship and she did pull that little lever for the republican, i sort of screamed at her and told her she had to vote for the democrat. and we made a little scene there. in chicago of the 1960s, you

just didn't vote for a republican. so, everyone was a little startled. >> now, you're the oldest of the three and i'm actually the youngest of three. so i can say with certainty that i'm sure you tortured your younger siblings. what were some of the pranks that you liked to play on your brothers in the home there? >> i object. they used to gang up on me. i was the victim. >> i don't believe you. >> you have to realize, ari was super tough and big. and so fighting with him, even though i had a -- 3 1/2 years on him, co-handle it. >> yeah. and i want to end on a much more serious note. you know, the city of chicago is the backdrop of this book. it's your hometown. of course, your brother is mayor there. there's been a lot of attention paid recently to gun violence there. can you give us perspective, how bad are things there and what do you think needs to be done to get this city safe? >> well, first of all, i am not the mayor. i don't tread in his water. i'm not an expert on violence or gun violence.

i do understand -- we were recently together, that in the first three months of the year, actually violence has gone to historic lows, hasn't been this low violent level since 1957, the year i was born. i think i have that right. so, he obviously is doing something right. i can tell you one thing that's -- i know about -- two things i know about my brother. first of all, he is passionate about chicago. he loves chicago. he thinks it's the greatest city on the earth. the second thing is he is a tough guy and he will never stop at doing what he thinks is necessary to make children safe and give theme good education. those are his two big passions and i know that he, down to the very last fiber of his body, committed to those things. kind words from a big brother, dr. ezekiel emmanuel, thank you. the book is in stores now. thank you for sharing your story. cot kiss method, as in keep it simple stupid, apply to the federal government? our former regulatory czar certainly thinks so.

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good afternoon. you're watching msnbc, the place for politics. here's what's happening this afternoon. calling for cam. secretary of state john kerry is in china, urging a peaceful exclusion to north korea's nuclear threat. rebuffing on rebranding. the republican national committee votes no on supporting same-sex marriage while on a retreat in gay-friendly hollywood. that's kind of when it hit me. i can't get a driver's license. i can't have a state i.d. there's no way i can get in the military. >> the dream is now. how a new movie premiering right here tomorrow will play in the upcoming immigration debate on capitol hill. and now to our political headlines. for the third saturday in a row, president obama is on the golf

course. yesterday, the white house released his tax returns. they showed that the first family reported a gross income of about $600,000 in 2012 and paid an effective tax rate of 18.4%. and secretary of state john kerry met with chinese leaders today. they discussed the ongoing nuclear threats coming out of north korea. let's take a listen. >> and what we agreed to do is immediately bear down with further discussion at very senior level in order to fill out exactly what steps we can take together to make sure that this is not rhetoric but that it is real policy that is being implemented. >> and the white house address was given a very personal touch this week.

it was given by francine wheeler, whose son was killed in newtown, connecticut. >> thousands of other families across the united states are also drowning in our grief. please help us do something before our tragedy becomes your tragedy. the bipartisan gang of eight will present their much-acquainted immigration bill this tuesday, the 16th. kristen welker joins us live from the white house with more. are any specifics of this legislation starting to leak out? >> reporter: they are, mara. good afternoon to you. we are starting to learn about the broad outlines of this plan. and one of them involves border security. of course, that is a highly contentious issue. republicans wanted to make sure that that was basically a trigger before anyone was granted legal status. so, based on my reporting and

talking to my sources, this legislation will call for 100% surveillance of the border. it will also require that 90% of people who are trying to cross the border illegally are apprehended. it will give the department of homeland security about six moments to get a plan in place and then at that time, those seeking citizenship can apply for provisional status and then in ten years, if it is deemed that the border is secure, they can then apply for their visa and ultimately get citizenship. so a fairly long program process but something people will say is a victory for them, secures the border and from democrats' perspective, they will be touting this as well because it doesn't hold up the process of actually moving forward full citizenship. so, that is part of what will be in this legislation, according to our understanding. another part of this is that business and labor have worked out a deal in terms of paying for temporary workers. this is a huge deal, mara, because in 2007, that was really

one of the issues that helped to derail the legislation back then. so if you talked to people who have been working on this for a long time, they say the fact that the business and the labor community sat down and agreed to a fair pay scale is really quite a large deal and then, of course, other parts of this including an e-verify system for employers so that they can track their employees and make sure that they are here legally. so, those are some of the broad outlines. i have been talking to a number of people involved in these negotiations and they say that this really seems to be the best chance for immigration reform in decades, in part because of the political picture, as you know in the 2012 race, republicans really lost latinos by a large margin but there's more than that. there really seems to be a broad consensus in a number of communities that people want to see this issue addressed. i have been speaking with faith leaders. there's a pretty good consensus among faith leaders that they are on board with this. of course, they have healed number of meetings at the white

house as well. of course, once the legislation is unveiled, you will see people start to pick it apart. however, if you talk to people who have been working on this, they have been feeling optimistic about the chances of something actually getting accomplished this time around. mara? >> great new details. kristen welker at the white house, thank you. we will check in with you later. the gop may still be reeling from their big losses in 2012 but the show must go on. the republican national committee is wrapping up its spring meeting in hollywood oh of all placeses, where they discussed minority outreach and same-sex marriage, so, just where does the party go from here? joining me now in new york, kay coppins, political add tore at buzz feed, lynn sweet, washington bureau chief for the "chicago sun-times" and los angeles, may reston, political report for the l.a. times. thank you for being here. may have, i wanted to start with you, you attended the conference. they defined marriage as being between one man and one woman and also urging the supreme

court to uphold prop 8 which forbids same-sex marriage in california. how does the party reconcile that position with a changing social climate in a sea that seems to be moving in favor of supporting same-sex marriage? >> well, it was really interesting this week because, you know, obviously coming to holly woofsd sort of a symbolic move to show the gop is going to go into communities that at times have been hostile to them. there were some members who really did not want to have this discussion on friday the chairman talked about having an inclusive tone and the gay community being more receptive to concerns of gay voters but the conservatives at this meeting really wanted an affirmative showing that the party is still standing behind this principle that marriage should be between a man and a woman. so this resolution went forward unanimously on friday.

>> and lynn, do you think that the rnc passing a resolution like this might concern some republicans who are already looking toward 2016? some republican senators like rob portman and mark kirk said they support same-sex marge and famed gop strategist karl rove say it had is possible the gop nominee for president would support it as well. dos this further divide the party? >> not really because these motions, just like the party platform in the end doesn't mean a lot to the individual actually running. what the republican party did in hollywood i think was try to eliminate another fight on their hands they didn't need right now. coming out of the disastrous 2012 campaign, individuals are still free to say what they want

to do this at least keeps the right-wing anti-gay marriage part of the party in a sense off the backs of the establishment leaders try to move forward with other agendas and other paths. >> i want to turn to you now. this rnc vote came the day after prominent conservative tony perkins sent out a letter to donors, read a portion of that he said "until the rnc and other international organizations grow a backbone and defending core principles, don't send them a dime of your hard-earned money." how much do e-mails and messages like this influence the outcome of these events? they need money to run. >> conservative christians have been upset with the rnc since they issued that 100-page autopsy a um couple wheelings ago, didn't mention christian right, didn't mention god, faith groups, an issue they should highlight or abortion. so a lot of christian right activists felt kind of alienated

after that report. i talked to a lot of them. that said, tony perkins' group has actually called on its members to stop donating to the rnc twice before in the last four years and the rnc has done pretty well for itself, at least over the last year or so. it is unclear how much influence tony perkins himself and his group actually has on the republican party. >> what do you think was the point of this vote because as far as the party platform is concerned, they have made it clear where they stand on same-sex marriage. why go ahead and beat a dead horse? >> i think lynn was right that it was a cosmetic thing to reach out to the christian right, to the religious right, say, look, we are still with you, but like she said, what really matters in 2016 is exactly how the presidential candidate who's carrying the ban irfor the republican party phrases and approaches this issue. they could even be, by then, in favor of gay marriage, we have no idea. and really the will, the platform isn't going to matter that much. >> and maeve, i want to turn to you.

you know, minority outreach was also a huge part of the rnc's agenda. you have reported that they have listened to panelist explain where their weaknesses are hired asian outreach staffers and committed $10 million to building an organization around this. but what exactly is their plan once they get out the door around have boots on the ground in minority communities? >> i think that's the big question now. and there is really a lot of debate at the meeting about what they will be saying in these communities. you know, a loft members we talked to, the more conservative elements of the party, they don't see a need for platform or issue changes, that it's really about tone. but the problem that the gop is facing is that a lot of the positions that they've taken, not just on gay marriage or abortion, but on things like obama's health care plan, are kind of antithetical to, you know, what -- what people want in these communities, for example, latinos are some of the biggest supporters of the president obama's health care plan and so they really haven't

addressed yet how they are going to deal with those differences once they get there i think that will be a big discussion over the next couple of years. >> you mentioned the different groups and lynn, i want to touch been noon with you, many different kinds of minority, not one monolithic group, the rnc trying to court african-american voters, hispanic voters, female voters, asian-americans, who do they have the best chance of winning over in the near future? >> probably white suburban men. >> that is not the group they need. >> i mean, it's very hard for the republican party to expand their base if they have policies that have turned off the voters in these different constituent groups. it's not just a matter of messaging or communicating something better, you look at the women vote you know, the romney campaign did go after, pure economic message would be enough to help them win virginia, for example, where they had an operation going and they had a female leadership,

women who are very good on a variety of economic issues but you can't pretend that a stand on issues dealing with women's rights aren't important to women. that's where i think their issue is. have the organizers in the world, all that means is you're getting the people before you anyway, the first thing the organizer does, to expand the base means you have to have policies and positions and be for things that these people want. that's the core issue here. >> and mckay, i want to end with you, the immigration to is front and center, we heard from kristen welker the suspect deed tails of the group of eight plan, become clear that hispanic voters extremely important to the future of any partier. how do you think we can expect to see the gop change their position when it comes to immigration reform moving forward? >> you see that the gop has made marco rube go yoe kind of the face of immigration reform on this issue. he has joined that gang of eight in the senate and expected in the next few days to roll out

their immigration plan. we know, for example, marco rubio is doing seven sunday shows tomorrow. >> he is the guy. >> he is the guy that the gop is going to put out there. i think that immigration reform is going to pass or fail largely depending on how he does in both selling this plan to the republican base and to the broader american public. >> we will be keeping an eye on all of it, thank you so much for being here. >> thank you. coming up next, the little office with a big impact. can the white house downsize the powerful department? we will talk live to the former czar who says yes. plus, davis gung i'm hurricane the film make here brought us "waiting for superman" and an "inconvenient truth," premiers the latest project "the dream is now." he will join me live coming up. [ male announcer ] this is george.

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it maybe the most powerful department in the administration that you've never heard of, the office of information and regulatory affairs that office oversees the regulatory output of executive branch agencies covering the environmental, health care and more. harvard law school professor cass sun steen is the former administrator of the white house office of information and regulatory affairs i and he is the author of the new book "simpler, the future of government." he joins me now. thank you for being here. >> thanks for having me. >> you write about the main message of the book and i want to read that you write "in particular it is about how governments can be much better and do much better if they make people's lives easier around get rid of unnecessary complexity." i had to fill out a form recent lakers government form, to allow them to e-mail me, not joking, a form to give them permission to send me an e-mail.

how do we make government simpler? >> it is being done. one of my last acts in government was to ask all the big departments, including the department of treasury, which houses theism rs to take significant steps to cup down their paperwork burdens. we saw recently, quietly, in january, it was announced that 100 million hours in annual paperwork burdens are being cut in the near future. some taxpayers are seeing that this year and more are going to see it in the future. >> you also write in the book that debates regulation are really debates values and not facts. what do you mean by that? >> i mean there's a bit of both. so sometimes when we are disagreeing about environmental regulation, some people are strongly committed to recreational values and some people are strongly committed to ecological values but there's a big factual component, too, so that if you're a rule that costs a lot, as a matter of fact, a lot of people are going to be rightly nervous about it unless its benefits are big and if off rule huge environmental benefits, save lives, people

that have values pro environment might be joined by people who are also not normally calling themselves environmentalists. >> republicans tend to promote the idea that less government regulation will lead to a better business environment and a growth in spending. kentucky senator rand paul actually spoke about this recently at howard university. let's take a listen to what he had to say. >> if you shift the balance of regulations too strongly, you lose jobs and i think that's where we are now that we have so many regulations that we are losing jobs. >> do you think there's a legitimate concern here about regulation having a negative affect on the economy and just the business climate? >> i go and that's why in the obama administration, we actually in the first four years, issued fewer rules than the bush administration had in its first four years. that's why also the highest cost year of the last decade or so for rules the most costly year for regulation was 2007, not the obama years. so a real effort in the context of the hard economic time to have regulatory discipline and keep costs down.

that was a high priority. >> what -- if you can look back at the last few years and highlight some of the main achievements we have made towards that end, toward stream lining things and making government a little less clunky, what have we accomplished? >> the biggest achievement is president obama's regulatory look back, a effort to go through the rules on the books and to take away the ones obsolete or aren't working. a lot of gas stayings that used to have to have at those fuel pumps air pollution technology, completely obsolete, took it away, obsolete because the cars have the environmental controls on them. a lot of farmers were faced by some regulatory controls on transporting milk that wasn't necessary, we got rid of that hospitals and doctors quietly were relieved of costly regulatory requirements and that achievement, that kind of set of achievements, government-wide is eliminating not millions, not hundreds of million bus billions of regulatory costs. >> very important issue and the book, simpler, the future of government, people can read a

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>> reporter: he was upbeat. they have lost patience with north korea and join forces come on board with the u.s. to try and make sure north korea lives up to its commitments. now, he got a red carpet reception here meeting all the top chinese officials, prime minister li, xi jinping telling him this was a critical time. he met the top foreign affairs people. at the end of today, he said they had an agreement to work together for the denuclearization of the korean peninsula. what that agreement was short of was detail. kerry had come here wanting to press china on financial matters, on stopping the flow of illicit money. and i think holding out the

carrot that u.s. forces build upwe have seen recently would no longer be necessary if the tension were defused, china put pressure on north core reyark the u.s. believing that china is the only country that can really do that. right now it is short of detail though clearly, kerry will leave here believing that china is on side, mara. >> closely monitoring these developments ian williams live in beijing, thanks for that. we could see a bipartisan immigration reform plan hit capitol hill as early as tuesday. earlier this week, thousands marched on the nation's capital to let the federal government know the time is now for reform. president obama last june announced a policy change that puts off deportation for young people brought to this country

as children by their parents as undocumented immigrant. an important new documentary called "the dream is now" brink into the lives of some of those young people who aspire to achieve the american dream but whose immigration status has put their dreams in jeopardy. let's listen to part of one young woman's study. >> erica applied for and received deferred action or daca in november of 2012. she interviewed with congresswoman kirsten sin ma and soon after, offered a position. >> i want to go back home and tell my momema and soon after, offered a position. >> i want to go back home and tell my mom she gave me a big hug and said i'm really proud of you. at 8:00, erica heard a knock at the door. immigration agents asked to speak with her mother. >> she gets close to the door, as soon as she does, they grab her hand and they put handcuffs on her.

i have to make sure they has a jacket in case she gets dropped off somewhere we don't know. >> "the dream is now" has been made available to msnbc and premiere in its entirety right here tomorrow at 4 p.m. eastern time. davis guggenheim is the director. davis is an academy award-winning filmmaker whose credits include "an inconvenient truth" and "waiting for superman." thanks for being here. >> nice to see you. >> i got a chance to watch film yesterday, interesting and touching. one of the stereotypes we hear, especially from the right this issue of illegal immigration is people who are coming into this country are sneaking in through the border, stealing job, some cases, criminals, on and on. this film offers a different perspective it takes look at hard working young people who, through no fault of their own, are in a state of immigration limb abortion why do you think it is so important to tell their stories? >> well, you know, my hope is

that if people spend 30 minutes to see this movie, so exciting to have it premiere on your network, they will see the human face of this very complicated, confusing, often scary issue. and when you meet these people like erica and the four other dreamers in the movie, you realize that these people are as american as we are. and if we don't figure this out, we are gonna lose their great potential. >> and one of the dreamers that you share in the film is a young man named alejandro morales. let's take a listen to some of what he has to say. >> alejandro is a perfect candidate for the marines, but he cannot enlist because of his undocumented status. >> it wasn't till my sophomore year when i took driver's ed. that's kind of when it hit me. i can't get a driver's license. i can't have a state i.d. there's no way i can get in the military. i just can't fill in that space for social security. >> what was it about his story that moved you? >> well, you know, what's

interesting, mara, there is a moral issue of like, who -- what kind of country are we? but also a practical issue. three out of four american does not qualify to be in the military, even if they wanted to then i've got alejandro, who is the most qualified person to be in the marines, the marines want him. and yet, he can't be a marine because of our backward policies. so, i wanted people to meet him and to see that we are losing out if we don't fix immigration reform. and when we were in washington on wednesday in that crowd that you showed with 30,000 people and we took alejandro and ola, also in the movie to meet leader pelosi and other congressmen and senate leaders and showed the film on capitol hill and it was very, very moving to see these dreamers and wonder, are we going to do the right thing? can they start their lives or are we gonna miss this again and waste this great potential? >> now, when you talk about common sense immigration reform

what do you think are some of the specific measures that fall under that umbrella? >> i have to be careful, but because i'm filmmaker, a story teller first, i don't want to get too deep into policy, but i know what's nice about and promising about the gang of eight, four republicans and four democrats is you see both sides motivateded ed tto get this do. it's a real moment this time, we can do the whole package, i think there should be stronger border protection, even though we are doing a real really good job already, we should figure out the work visa issue so that, you know, so that the job situation is covered, but i think it's really, really promising that we can get the whole thing so we can capitalize on these dreamers' full potential and their families' full potential. >> one of the moments in the film most poignant for me was when you show all of the presidents in the last 20-plus years who have said essentially the same thing about this issue, that we must do something, we must do it now, i mean, do you have faith that now is the time when something will actually

happen? >> you know, it's that moment walking with these dreamers in the rotunda of our nation's capitol and you see them, the emotion well up in them because they want to be americans more than any of us. they bought into it as little kids. they pledged aladies and gentlemen yaens jens to the flag, went to our schools, they did everything right and there's this moment where you think this might happen and there's also the scary thing, like do we dare hope that this is happening? i think there couldn't be a better time to get this out. that's why i made the film is that everybody who is watching this show needs to call our congressmen, their senators and say demand change now, we have to fix this broken system. the first step i think of seeing this movie tomorrow on msnbc you are going to see, wow, we really have so much at stake, mara. >> the young people profiled in your film, they qualify for this temporary protection right now, but there is still always some risk in coming out of the shadows and telling your story and proclaiming that you are, in fact, in this country as an undocumented person. what have they told you about

why they are doing this, why they are taking on this fight so publicly and why it's so important to them? >> well, you're referring to these dreamers that over the last couple of years have come out of the shadows and said publicly their name, risking everything. you know, they are saying i'm undowned, i'm unyou a trade and i'm unashamed and they are saying this cause is so important, i will put everything on the line. it is so moving. you will see scenes of that in this movie. these dreamers doing everything. they are putting everything on the line. and my hope is that if everyone sees this movie, they will do the same thing. but because it -- we do have a moment and if we do not put all the pressure we can on both sides of the aisle to get this thing done, we have a chance of losing again. >> they have a lot of courage to speak out the way they have.

now, one of the key people behind the project is the widow of apple co-founder steve jobs. here is what she told brian williams on "rock center" about the different play political positions that seem to be coming together behind immigration reform. >> i think people are motivated in different ways. it does -- i don't -- i don't mind if someone comes at immigration reform because they want to expand the tax base. because i know individuals who are caught in this purgatory, all i want to do is help find some redress so they can live fully productive lives. > how did personal commitments like that of lorraine jobs help make this project a reality? >> what's interesting. she has an incredible organization called college track. i made the movie "waiting for superman." so our work intersected because she works in some of the same schools they've worked in. klym track follows these extraordinary students that do

everything right and she is trying to get them a track to and through college. that's really difficult. and what she found was some of these extraordinary students, they do everything right and then suddenly they hit this wall where they can't -- they get into a great school but they can't go because of their status, they graduate and they can't apply for a job. there's a great story, a horrifying story, this student, jose, studied to be a mechanical engineer around when he graduate, did he everything right and now he can't apply -- he can't apply for those same jobs his classmate, even though there is a shortage of mechanical engineers in arizona, now he is doing stucco work on homes, which isn't to say that is bad work or to demean that but he really wanted to be a mechanical engineer and couldn't. >> one quick question quickly, 'cause we are running out of time. you have tackled the environment. you have tackled education, now immigration. what is next for you? >> i'm going to stick to this till this immigration bill

passes. i want your audience to know you can go to our website, you can see our movie, clips of our movie and another more practical arguments of why we should get involved in this issue. >> thank you very much. davis guggenheim, we appreciate it. a reminder, the special premiere of "the dream is now" is here tomorrow at 4 p.m. eastern on msnbc. coming up next, how can more women enter the tech industry? we talked to the brains behind today's big idea. at a dry cleaner, we replaced people with a machine. what? customers didn't like it. so why do banks do it? hello? hello?! if your bank doesn't let you talk to a real person 24/7, you need an ally. hello? ally bank.

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18-year-old girls develop skills to pursue tech car reefrms the founder of that group, who is also running for the new york office of public advocate, joins me now. thank you for being here. >> so excited. >> i pronounce your name right? >> yes, you did. >> i'm very sensitive to that tell me what inspired to you start this group were. >> i saw the technology divide in our city. you go into districts, kids have ipads coming out of their ears, you go into others, children were hard pressed to find a computer that worked a teacher to show them how to use it 1.4 million jobs are going to be open in the computing related fields but less than 29% of the workforce will be able to fill them and less than 25% of those are women and women make up 56% of our labor force. so, our country, the innovation of our nation, depends on making sure that we are getting women into the computing related fields. >> you are trying to address that by taking the problem early. >> yes r >> before people decide what they are going to pager in in college or what jobs they are going to get, you are going to

young girls to inspire them to pursue the interests. why are they not doing it now? what is it about the field that seems to be a turnoff? >> one reason is i can still walk into a forever 21 and buy a t-shirt that says math sucks. >> i didn't know they sold those. >> i have one of them. they definitely do. and the second is girls want to change the world. when they think about a computer scientist they think of a guy typing at his computer. part of what we do at girls who code is showgirls the power of technology to change the world. one of my girls, for example, her father got diagnosed with cancer and so since she was 5 years old, she wanted to be a doctor because she wanted to save her dad's life. and the last two weeks of our program, she built an algorithm to help detect whether a cancer is benign or malignant. she is 16 years old. >> wow. >> so, cora saw how technology can help her save her dad's life. we have to continue to do that show girls that teching. >> pathway to uplifting your communities, taking your families out of poverty and

changing the world. >> if you look at places like facebook, google, yahoo! it can be a fun, cool way to have a career. >> it is. it is. i think in china, for example, 40% of chinese students are learning computer science but for us there's actually been a 40% decline in the number of kids going into it. >> your goal is to reach 1 million girls -- >> a small goal a small one. >> good luck with that we certainly hope that change and good luck with your run for public advocate. >> thank you so much. >> thanks for being here. >> thank you. up next, is it a pipe dream or a possibility? anthony weiner weighs running for new york city mayor. what experts say he needs to do to win. wait for it... wait for it...

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the scandal. this after he said he wanted to run for new york city mayor, saying i want to ask people to give me a second chance. as a reminder he resigned in disgrace two years ago after sending salacious messages to women on twitter. mark is a political ed ore of the new york times. he's been joining me live. >> it's been years. >> i also covered the story when it was unfolding. it's an incredible story. what does he need to do to stage a successful come back. >> one of my colleagues compared it to going through the car wash with your windows open, make the case that you have been through a period of soul searching and take through the behavior, which she did. step number two, put together a

team of aides. i don't know how well that's going to go. it could be hard to put together high caliber people in this race. >> someone said it's going to be harder for him to stage a come back than it is for mark sanford who, as a reminder, lied about hiking on the appalachian trail when he was in wu his girlfriend. how has this become something bigger potentially than problems that other politicians are facing. >> there's so more erie similarities. they were both politicians with limitless politicians who both got caught. i think that for congressman weiner there's a tougher political reality on the ground. this is a race in new york with already six democrat candidates. he would be the seven. anthony weiner would, u as i

said, become a 7th democrat in a race for new york mayor. it's a much harder political reality for him. >> the current mayor has weighed in on this. i want to take a look at what he said about this on thursday. >> i haven't seen one article talking about his anthony weiner's views on mass transit like you talk and earlier or anything else. they ear all talking about something that is totally irrelevant to the problems of the city. >> issueses smish issues. how long will it take for for him to get past the rehashing of his mistakes and on to the things he wants people to focus on. >> mayor may not want to talk about but a lot of reporters still have a lot of questions. congressman weiner, when he left after lying, the story more or less went away. there are many questions that

i'm sure many reporters have. and something we don't know yet is are there other women, there are there other pictures. congressman weiner is going to have to explain himself, explain whether the limits of this story or known or unknown. >> someone who cost politics i'm really interested in your perspective. my view if the wife forgives, then we forgive. they've had a child together, they're still together and happy. how significant is her continued support in his potential comeback. >> you talked about mark sanford. he and his wife is going through a bitter divorce. he has moved on. >> in the case of weiner, his wife has stood him him. she wasn't there. we don't know behind the scenes how difficult this has been but publicly he is with him now. but my question is will he be outton the campaign trail with

him? does he want to answer some of the same questions he's going to facing from reporters if he decides to run. >> she did sit for an interview for this article. this is what anthony weiner's wife has to say and she also works frs former secretary of state hillary clinton. took a long time to sit on a couch next to anthony and say i understand, i forgive. it was the right choice for me. i didn't make it lightly. e he wasn't alone. can we expect to see her on the campaign trying? that's a great question. this was a unique kind of betrayal. it wasn't sexual. it was e motion nal. it was different than he think of when people are having an affair. she was pregnant during some of this fear period, she was a spectacular wife. so i think that the forgiveness that matters most is probably the one that has been conveyed

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>> they the reed something into an innocent tweet that how hot cyndi lauper was that it would get the press's attention and it did. >> a democratic congressman explains his tweets about cyndi laup lauper. >> now to the top political head looips. john kerry was in china today where he met with china leaders. he stays in beijing tonight and then it's off to japan. yet another country on his nine day tour. the pal teenia prime minute stir fa quad has resigned. he insisted that mahmoud abbas meet him and told him he needed to accept his resignation. during the meeting fayyad said that recent statements paed made by the u.s. government made it seem that he was supported by

the u.s. government. >> the president is on the government course. he's all set for tax day though with the white house releasing his tax yesterday. they paid over $100,000 in taxes. the tied seemed to turn in the president's favor when families from newtown connecticut came to the hill. when they arrived it looked like republican senators would block it from hitting the floor. republican senator pat too many my has put together a bipartisan deal on background checks. so it's a start but where do we go from here. kristin well ker is at the white house for more. what can we expect to see next zblrs well i think your point is an important one, mauer ra. the senate took an important step. they said they will allow debate

on the new gun legislation to move forward. it appeared at the beginning of the week that this legislation may be filibusterfilibustered. but because newtown families were here talking senator to senator it appears that those conversations did work. so 16 republicans join democrat to allow the legislation to move ghord. this will expand background checks. the senate begins to debate the new laws thap they could start to vote this coming week. but there are going to be a lot of twists an turns. there are a lot of amendments that have to be voted on one one oun assault weapon. they don't stand much of a chance for passage but they're going to be debated an discussed in this coming weem. there where going to be a lot of twists and turns, not an easy process. the fact that you see fran see

wheeler delivering the weekly address today you can expect the newtown families to continue what was an all out push into this coming week to get the new legislation passed. there does seem to be broud agreement on one thing and that is there needs to be an improved access to mental health services and that is something that will likely be a part of this ledgeation. >> thanks so much for those details. well in an effort to further the national conversation about how to help prepare american's students for suck pesz says. nbc news has brought a store roy of education on the road to new orleans. since the hurricane in 2005, 2005 ranked new orleans number two as the best city for job and it was also marked as the most improved city for was list. >> there's going to be a town hall on improves and continued

challenges they face in their educational system. she joins us now. >> one of the reasons that this is an attractive place for businesses is going the education system is improving. businesss want to be in a place where they can have an expect nation of a workforce. ka treeia gave this school system in new orleans a clean slate because it knocked out most of their schools where two thirds of the students were in failing schools. part of what they did was they decentralized the school system meaning they have now got more than l 0% of their students in charter schools and that's the largest percentage of children in charter schools in the country. some of them do very well, some don't do better than public schools but here in new orleans they are getting improment.

they have decentralized the school system and it's more localized with the school hems themselves. they are not beholding to school boards and they can make a decision in terms of what they want to do, in terms of their curriculum, the hiring and firing of teachers. it is making a difference here in new orleans and we're going to talk about that in the town hall meeting with teachers about what they've down and what they hope to do in the future to bring the scores up even higher. >> all right. thanks so much for that. this week the national urban league released it 2013 black american report. it's a data asoesz of 0 of where racial elements stand in relation to their -- joining me now is the ceo of the national urban league and the former mayor of new york. >> great to be here. >> just to talk about the educational advances in new orleans, one of the things she mentioned is how many kids are

in charter school. do you think this can be applied nationally. >> i really think one size may not fit all and certainly there are lessons to be learned. but the challenges ahead in new orleans are the high schools and the governor to the school districts. there's been incredible progress but it's been uneven. it's too early to declare victory. it's important to note that the challenges that made or even though there's been progress, new orleans lags behind good parts of the nation where it comes to education. good luck to the progrez that's been made but it let's not forget the unfirnished business. the state of black america took a 50% perspective found that high school rates had improved, that college rates had improved since 1963 but indeed that the

gaps between black and bhiet e american when it comes to so many areas, whether it's economics or education remain large. >> this report is a very important indicator of the black community and what the challenges and achievements are. this year you took a look at the past 50 years. why? this is the year when the march on washington and the 50 anniversary of the march on washington on the minds of many. we lost president kennedy and everies, you dr. king's letter from the jail, it's a year that america change saying significantly in a directional way. it's important to look back. we did something that's important to note with this year's report. we walked the halls of capitol hill, went to see the president's staff at the white house, members of agencies an leaders of agencies to say here are some ideas.

we suggested to them that the urban jobs act and the project ready still act could help to close some of these gaps. so it's important to talk about the problems but it's also important to advance solutions. >> now, in this report, the state of black america, you often take a look at the state of black america compared to the state of the nation aund other communities the kind of gauge the kbap in equality so to speak. what did you find in this latest report? has the gap gotten more severe or are things getting better? the gap has remained stagment. while some areas improv, the others you slip and slide. what is important for people to know is while the recession affected americans of all backgrounds, races, ethnicities an regions, the effect on black america, the effect on latinos was significant and it's been much more difficult for those communities to recover. the unemployment rate in black america, some 13% may be in the

high 7% range. for latinos, the unemployment rate is still in double digits. it's important to recognize that while the nation has begun to recover, we've got so much work to do and communities of color have the farthest to go. >> you mentioned unemployment which throughout the recession and after in the black community has been double oftentimes that of the nation's report. what are the other statistics that you found that paint the picture of black america today. >> i think the important statistics are education, criminal justice an economics. there's a wide gap in employment, in wealth, in home ownership. when it comes to education and health, there are still wide disparities. 75% is the percentile of the relationship between african-americans and white when it comes to education and health. to the nation has a gap to

close. it's important to recognize that this is the work, the unfinished work of the civilize movement to focus on i think educational disparities and we want to continue to place an emphasis on that. >> often when we look at the civil rights movement we look at things of seeing gags but dr. king talked about economics and jobs as well. in this report you compare black america today to where it was 50 years ago. so how have we faired over the last five deck said? poverty has been wut cut in half. when it comes to the numb were of after can merps who have high school da plow ma, it's over 80%. it's a tail of two cities. while those numbers have improve, they're improved for all of america and the gaps that

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of that visit tnchs big focus will be the security and the border. one of the the thing will be economics. our economic relationship has changed over to years. now trade between our two countries is half a billion. what that trade is. it's not finished goods. it's not products. it's actually pieces an parts. so something coming if in from mexico, so quote unquote made in mexico, almost 40% of it was made in the u.s. by american workers. so this will be on the agenda. how we deepen this to help our companies an workers on both sides. >> when it comes to u.s. mexican relations one of the concerns is the ongoing conflict in mexico. 70,000 people have been killed there in the last six years in mexican drug violence.

you say how they're facing the challenge, it's working to open its political citizen. why should american citizens care about the violence that's taking place in mexico and dufl that mexico is appropriately meeting that challenge. >> we should care about it. almost no other nation aif he cans us on a day to day basis as mix co. so to the food on our table, the parts in our cars, to consumers that buy our drugs, to drugs on the street. mexico is part of our daily life. if mexico does well, the united states will do well. we need to work with the government to help them improve on the security side. what we what need to do and what they need to do is really deal with cleaning up their police forces and strengthening their courts. that's going to make a difference in the long term. >> how much of the drug violence is attributable to the drug market. >> the drugs that are in mexico,

almost all of them come to united states. we do have a lot of responsibility. it's our demand and our guns that are being used by the cartels down thery you write often of the close ties between mexicans and people in the united states and u yo say that mexicans comprise about a third of u.s. immigrants. so how closely are those in mexico watching this ongoing immigration debate here on this side of the border. >> they are watching it very closely. about a month ago was down in mexico and i met with the president and many of his ministers and the first thing they ask me is what's happening on the immigration debate. they are thinking about this. >> a very interesting perspective. thanks so much for you time this afternoon. >> it was great to be here. >> coming up, jay-z and bejohn say's trip to cuba has become the talk of washington this week. the latest on how they entered the country. you're watching msnbc. how did i know? well, i didn't really. see, i figured low testosterone would decrease my sex drive... but when i started losing energy and became moody...

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the leaked tape of mitch mcconnell's staff where they made light of her struggle with depression. he spokesperson released a statement to us saying quote we expected nothing less from mitch mcconnell and his camp than to take a personal struggle and turn it into a laughing matter. last month judd announced he was not going to run against mitch mcconnell in 2014. >> they've received a top certification for the green building. they've incorporated recycling materials and solar hot water panels to create a environmentally sustainable building. the build will be open to the public on may ist. coming up, the rnc votes no on whether to support same-sex marriage. what this means to reach out to the minorities.

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clashing with guards an prisoners, guards raided the camp but no detainees were injured. they were covering windows during a hunger strike. >> more than 2,000 people have been invited to margaret thatcher's funeral. she will be laid to rest on tuesday. all of the living u.s. presidents, day dress, morning dress or full ceremonial but without the swords. >> after the election i convene a tax force called the growth and opportunity project to figure out how the party can grow and win. >> these the new ad by the republican national committee for their spring meeting that concluded in los angeles today despite the location, which was hollywood, there was an absence

of celebrities. they reaformed the party's opposition to same-sex marriage. joining me now is our brain trust. a staff writer at salon.com and boris epstein is a contributor and worked before the may kay land campaign. >> good afternoon. >> boris, the meeting wrapped up today. did we learning anything from the parties. >> the ad they put out is a good message and a summary of what they came out from the meeting. it's a party of opportunity, a party of growth and not a party of anti-. the feeling of young voters alienated abrepublicans in the twelve elections is that the republicans are anne. they're turning away to be

proopportunity and prosuccess. that's a good thing going forward. >> you say that but one of the headlines is they're anti-same-sex marriage. we already knew the party was anti-same-sex marriage. >> that we should not turn off any one part of that speck rum, that covers those on the right who are anti-same-sex marriage or proallowing the states to define marriage as they want. so the party decided to reafarm that. that was passed overwhelmingly in tampa last year. it was a restatement of ooh view that is going to be there for a while but not one we should focus on as a party if we want to grow in here on out. >> perry, if we ask talk a little more on same-sex marriage, the wall street journal poll finds that 53% of americans support same-sex marriage an 42% oppose it. does the gop risk alienating more mod yat and young

republicans on social shugs? how do they bring that together. >> you've seen internal tension between republicans. the rc didn't affirm their resolution in a vacuum. the rn is you're seeing more republicans, you're seeing a growing people particularly younger republicans for gay marriage. they put a stamp down and say we do not as a party yet support gay marriage. if you look at the nbc poll, 66% of americans don't support gay marriage. so we have a big divide in the country where most democrats, but most republicans don't. until they number goes to 50 or 60 or lower you're going to see the rnc, rand paul, paul ryan still say they don't support gay marriage either because most of the party don't.

>> let's read a little bit of that e-mail. he writes until the rnc and the other national republican organizations grow a backbone an start defending core principles don't send them a dime of your money. how significant was that in changing anything or how significant are moves like that in influencing the party. >> tony perkins doesn't have to wait for history. he already looks like george wallace saying segregation now segregation forever. younger americans are the ones that the party needs to relate to. so this is a problem that the party has because there's still a constituency among them, the tony perkins who asked instead of donating to the rnc to donate to his organization. it's a self-serving argument.

thaw they have a small base but it's still one that gets very aingry about gay people having equal rights. >> he mentioned core principles. core principles if you go to-to-back to lincoln, low taxes, national security, defining marriage bun way oar the other is not a core principle of the republican party. that's not what we should be all about. it's not the headline about what the rnc meeting should be. why is the gdp crawling? why is unemployment so high? that's what americans want to hear about. if you look at the poles, that's what they care about, the social issues are not ones we we're going to win on long term. mie believe is they are state issues. but be that as it may, those are not the headline point we should put out there as the rnc or the conservative movement. >> i want to turn to abortion

and turn to perry. let's listen to what congressman paul ryan had to say about abortion on an event on thursday mpls we need to articulate a vision, one that can atrack a very broad coalition to advance our pro-life cause we need to work with people who consider themselves pro-choice because our task is not to purge or ranks, it's to grow them. we don't want a country where abortion is simply outlawed. we want a country where it isn't even considered. >> this is so perplexing to me because wishing for a society that unanimously shares your views seems like an odd political strategy. how do statements like that influence their ability to atrack female voters. >> the republicans believe and there's some evidence that they can be the pro-life party and still win elections. the majority of republicans have been pro-life.

so the republicans believe they have two different views, they believe on same-sex marriage that they have to move on the issue. they can't be the anti-gay rights but on abortion they believe they can win elections while being the pro-life par tip. in paul ryan's speech he was strong in say we will not move on inch on our opposition on abortion as a party. he would not have given a speech on opposing gay marriage the same way. a lot of republicans and poll poles are strongly anti-abortion. more republicans are for gay marriage than ever. you're not seeing it around abortion. >> go ahead. >> as a politician or as a thinking individual who casts votes, anybody should be open to moving an inch on any issue. we should have the ability to think about what does the country want right now or in paul ryan's case or another senator, what does my state

want. >> statements like this hardly seem like moving to -- >> i have something to say. women will always need abortions an seek abortions. in countries where it is illegal abortions exist. the question is whether it's going to be safe and legal. if paul ryan wants a society where there was fewer abortions he needs to -- do you know who has the lowest rate of abortions? well off women, women who have insurance. so what does the pro-life party mean. >> i would love for you to weigh in on this. how can you be against abortion an not be for a stronger support of contraception. the two are incompatible. >> i want to live in a state where abortion is legal under certain parameters. but this as at it may, paul ryan is somebody who based on his religious believes disagrees on

both of those point. he has the full right under this constitution to believe that and if his con tich wents elect he he should lead on those believes. >> don't you think that's a tough sale to female voters. >> it's a tough sale to fee mail voters in the northeast. the women in kuk do vote on those believes that he espoused there. it's very tough to say that women disagree with paul ryan. >> wear going to take a quick break and we're going to switch gears. we'll ask if republican senator paul ryan's outreach backfire. i have some thoughts on this. you're watching msnbc. step seven point two one two. verify and lock. command is locked.

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>> right, yeah. >> yeah, you know what happens when you get back with someone, you know it's fun for a while until you remember this is exactly how you felt before you caught them in bed with the dixie -- >> the republicans left black and now they want to come back. >> that's john statute on the daily show discussing ran rand paul's outreach to a historically black america in washington, d.c. back with me is my brain trust. thank you all for coming. perry lit's listen to an event from the howard university clip and we'll take it on the other side. let's listen mplth how many of you if i would have said who do you think the founders of the naacp are? would rve in here know they were all republicans? >> yes. >> all right. you know more than i know. and i don't meep that to be

insulting. i don't know what you know. i'm trying to find out what the connection is. >> okay. little con da sending there. perry, what do you make of this. >> not a little c-- this is 11:0 speech at a black college, howard university, yes the students know about the civil rights movement and the naacp. he fried to give a black history leg dhur to people mo who knew more about it than he did. i think it's good for rand paul to go to audiences and talk about his conservative believes. a lot of people liked what he was talking about public policy. they didn't really think it was necessary and for that reason, paul's speech lost the effect it quilt have otherwise had. >> boris i applaud people who

have the courage to enter hostile environments. >> like me. >> it's good he made the outreach but what was the pint of that? why go there? what was he trying to accomplish. >> rand paul does have a view on higher office down the line. it's something his father failed at. rand paul should not be the republican -- this was ap attempt to go out there and say i can appeal to a broad spectrum of voters. this was not a good approach. watching that for me i was cringing. it does not sound good. pe didn't come out as someone who could relate to the people in the crowd. it doesn't matter whether you were black, white whatever it is, this is educated people. relate to them one on one. relate on the same level. i don't know what rand paul's background is but i don't make a

judgment on that. he was making a judgment on that. >> the black community is actually conservative on a lot of social issues. we saw that in prop 8 in california it passed with a lot of black support from the black church. why has the gop not been able to connect with the black voters on the thing they agree on. >> since this in maryland african-american opinion on gay marriage has shifted. it's not a given that the african-american community is socially conservative. but what i will say it's not just about getting the facts of history right. i's also how history happened. i's not trivia that the republicans were part of the civil rights union. >> this is something that happened 50 years ago. >> i'm sorry but the african-american community has extremely good and well-untilled reasons to be suspicious of the republican party. you have to engage those issues. i would say a significant part

of the way this dynamic played out was the fact he came in. if you -- if you're engaging with a community that is historically suspicious of you for a very good reason you listen to them before you come and luck lecture to them. he was not listening to the concerns of the students in the room. hear's where i disagree. things that happened 60 years ago are very important to learn from the historic perspective. but before one community to turn away from the republican party or the democrat parity based on what happened a long time ago would be the wrong thing to do. because now the republican party dus espouse a lot of the view -- >> i want to shift a little bit. the newtown communities have sbn a loud and important voice for the gun reform. for the first time ever the mother of a six-year-old boy who was killed in newtown delivered

the prez's address. >> in the four months since we lost our loved ones, thousands of other americans have died at the end of a gun. thousands of other families across the united states are also drowning in our grief. please help us do something before our tragedy becomes your tragedy. >> perry, you know as a mother i could barely get through watching that. it was very powerful and emotional. is their presence going to what changes gun laws for the first time in decades? how effective are they going to be. >> susan collins said she's going to support the background checks bill that's been proposed and that came after a meeting with the families. john manchin met with the families a well and how that affect his issues. these families could play a big role in this bill and think they

are already are. when you're own capitol hill the senator sayia vote on this because of this and that. when you have the families walk into your office and say my clield died because of this it's not as eds to brush them off. these families are having an impact. you saw 68 people who said i can't full birs this bill and one of the reasons why is because these families are talking. they could make a difference in the bill passing or not passing. it's hard to mj they won't have real debates about gun control. it's about the mother, it's not barack obama. it's become the 20 families and they're going to be powerful. >> your brain trust returns with the latest from the fallout of beyonce and jay-z's controversial trip to cuba. [ babies crying ]

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>> that's jay-z mocking the controversy moeking the trip to cuba with his wife earlier this month. op thursday the white house said they did not sanction the trip. joining me for more on this is my brain trust. thank you all for coming back. i love that song by the way, the track is fire. a little bit of hip hop trivia. he was in the office with jay-z and his portable machine an went

in the machine and. >> you're comparing was 90s jay-z. >> but getting gak to have a little fun with this so jay carney's responsibility was lighthearted and funny, nothing rhymes with treasury. what rhymes with treasury. >> i have to give credit to my brother on this misery. misery on wh whould -- >> i took a little license to it, got clearance from the treasury adopt only one wants more money than my gof compartment. that's from my wife right there. he thought that up. >> perry, can you top that. >> i said luxury but i can't go with a good rhyme like boris did. i'm relieved they white house didn't say bebeyonce was pretty.

>> mine was flen or your must be jealous b kind of like that's my b girl style. but i mean, perry, if i can throw this one to you, you should know it's my professional mission to get beyonce in as many shows as possible. why do you think this became such a big story right now. where does i say we are in our policy with cube ba. >> i think it says a lot about how obsessed with are with politics and celebrity. we have beyonce and jay d and president obama. i think it's more about politics than anything about cuba. republicans like to criticize president obama about anything even things he as, as far as we know absolutely nothing to do sfl with. >> if we can touch on a lighter story the congress manage who tweeted about cyndi lauper being

hot. what do you think about that. >> i think as a country we're getting into a ridiculous point of corruptness when you can't make a comment about someone's appearance. something like an fdr or teddy roosevelt, you think those great beacons of american history didn't know around absaying someone looks good. these stories are completely overblown both from the right and the left. barack obama can say anything he wants. >> i thought bewe are talking about steve cohen. >> he did it because barack obama mady it in california. >> my biggest beef with that -- >> you disagree with him on the actual substance. >> i think there's a big difference in saying a celebrity looks different. it's different when you're talking about the attorney general. >> perry you want to chime in on this? can congressmen stop tweeting? leave the tweeting to us

reporters. let's move on from this. >> i thinkant any weiner would agree with you on that. >> that's what i'm getting at. >> we have the new york times magazine, he's with his wife, do you think he's going to be able to make a comeback here in new york. >> i hope not. he should not. >> why not? >> it's not just based on his personal transgregss but i think he's way to left for new york. new york has not elected a true democrat to mayor since the early 1990s and he does not represent the belief of the americans. >> our brain trust, thank you so much for being here. that's our show for today. at 4:00 p.m. watch our emotional special, the dream is now, a

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