jackie robinson. gold takeses a tumble. why it's not worth nearly as much as it used to be. right now sec of state john kerry is in tokyo. mr. kerry says the u.s. will protect its allies, but it's also committed to find a way to resolve differences with north peacefully. >> any other choice by them will simply further isolate them in the world and make it clear to the rest of the world where the problem really lies here. >> all this diplomatic drama is unfolding as pyongyang preps for a massive celebration to honor the birthday of the country's

founder il-sung. >> we are still waiting here to find out whether north korea will nafin fact test fire a mil missile or not. is this just a psychological game by north korea? or will this test firing happen. we may found out tomorrow, that is the anniversary of the birth of north korea's founder il-s g il-sung. this missile launch if it ever happens could be timed for that anniversary in pyongyang, which is a critical event when they generally have those giant parades with thousands of troops goose stepping through the city. it is also a time of continued tension here, japan, for example, which is worried that this missile, if it in fact everybody gets fired, could fly

over japan or very close by. yesterday, accidentally issued a warning to airports saying that the missile had already been launched and it caused some flight delays. you can imagine the airports would want to know immediately if a missile that was fired without coordination was heading over japanese air space. so there is a great degree of tension here as to what this missile launch would mean. diplomatically, we may be seeing some progress between washington and china. secreta secretary kerry who was earlier in japan and seemed to have quite productive meetings, between me and chinese officials echoing the same sentiment, that this needs to be calmed down, that it needs to be solved diplomatically and to try to convince north korea to give up it's nuclear weapons. that's going to be a hard sell. north korea has said that it

will never give up it's nuclear weapons, that those weapons are essential for its survival. to politics now, republican senator marco rubio making the surrounds on several sound talk shows on a variety of issues including newly proposed gun control measures. >> we are spending all of our times talking about background checks as if somehow criminals will no longer get guns because they have to undergo background checks, we're lying to the public. guns are what people are using, but violence is or problem and no one is having a debate the the violence program and i think this is a missed opportunity to have an honest and open conversation in our country about why these horrifying things are happening. the senator of maine is saying publicly that she will vote on the bipartisan -- she

calls the manchin toomey bill a reasonable approach. kristen, with a good sunday afternoon to you, what else did senator rubio say about the current gun control legislation that's working its way through the senator? >> reporter: alex, he was asked to field a number of questions about why he opposes it, why he opposes the background check measure. you hard him give part of his response, because he believes it doesn't keep wens out of the hands of criminals. he also believes this is a constitutional issue. the national rifle association says they have made their point that expanding background checks will de -- >> the second amendment is a constitutional right, i didn't write that into the conversation, that's in there, and time that you're going to do anything that inflicts on constitutional rights should be very, very high. if someone can produce a law

that keeps guns out of the hands of criminals but protects the rights of law abiding citizens and don't infringe upon those rights, i would consider them. >> reporter: senator rubio's comments underscore how really politically difficult it is going to be to get this measure through the house and through the senate. when you just look at the senate, it's going to be tough, they are going to take up debate on the gun legislation this coming week, in the house, it is much tougher sledding, alex. a number of the members are up for election in 2014, potentially will be more possible to be influenced by the nra, so that gets much more difficult. and there are going to be a lot of twists and turns along the way. and again, what we're seeing in the senate this week, it's just going to start to be being

debated. this is going to be a long and difficult road. >> talk about another long road, it's all about immigration scro control, and the senator addressed that as well, what did he say? >> reporter: the point that senator rubio made today on "meet the press" and other programs is that this legislation that is going to be unveiled on tuesday likely is not going to provide amnesty for people who are here illegally. and that's going to be key for other republicans to get on board with this legislation. senator rubio making the point that border security is going to be a trigger and yes, people here can apply for provisional legal status within six months, but he was careful to make the distinction that it is not able to gain full citizenship. it's really a process of ten-plus years, here's a little bit more of what he had to say. >> this bill modernizes it in a way that it's going to get broad based support.

this little once introduced as we have agreed to, i think, will show that a broad base of enforcement measures, unlike anything this country has ever seen, and it creates a way for us to address the millions of people that are here undocumented in a way that's compassionate but also in a way that's responsible. >> as you pointed out, senator rubio appeared on a number of morning programs today so a lot of the folks asked him if he had an eye on 2016 as well as he was working on this immigration reform. he basically deflected those questions. he said that he's not thinking about 2016 right now, that he is in washington to get a job done, so he wouldn't wade into those waters at all. but a lot of people are wondering about that this among. joining me right now, political correspondent for reute

reute reute reuters andy sullivan. the bill on background checks is already weaker than originally proposed. do you think it may be weakened more by a republican-controlled house? >> it faces a number of hurdles in the senate already, keep in mind a lot of republicans voted last week, yes we will begin debate on this bill, but they haven't actually voted for anything. he's got to round up a lot of votes and he's not there yet and so even if they pass that they could have other votes on things likecealed carry rights that would actually strengthen the rights of gun owners. so they wi . >> we mentioned senator joe manchin, he'll be joining us at the bottom of the hour and he

and senator toomey have already spoken about things. let's listen to what they have already said. >> i think wednesday's probably the most likely day for a vote for the manchin-toomey alternative to the existing language in the underlying bill. i think it's an open question as to whether we have the votes. i think it's going to be close. >> what we're asking is just for our colleagues to read it. we have sent it to all of them and broken it down, given an outline of it. >> what do you think the chances are of it actually being passed. >> that's hard to say and the reason it's so hard to say is because we don't know who what the final bill is going to look like. the republicans have been the lynch pins of at least getting started to debate on the bill. there are going to be weeks of debate on this bill. there are going to be amendments that will make some people happy, and again, even if they

get it out of the senate, getting it over to the house, will john boehner take up that bill? this week he didn't even commit to a vote on the bill. he just committed to putting it through committee on the house if the senate is able to get a bill on his own chamber. and we all know that committees are where bills go to die. it is really, really hard to say, they have lost a significant amount of momentum on this issue, and it's significantly restricted from the what the president wants originally. the but the fact that the republicans are even going to start to debate on this is a big step after 20 years of virtually no action on this issue. >> your latest article titled new state laws illustrate america's stark divide on gun control. >> you have heard a lot of information about the states like new york and connecticut and maryland that have

strengthened their already tough gun control laws, but that sort of overshadowed a lot of effort that's gone in the other direction in sort of red and more republican rural states. in arkansas, you can already bring your guns to church. there's been a total of about 50 laws that have been enacted at the state level and they have pretty much made the red state-blue state divide even greater. gun control advocates say they're heartened that the momentum seems to be in their direction. but at the same time, if maryland's going to strengthen their gun control laws, it's going to be easy for people to go across the border to virginia. so you need to have some sort of national level law to really make progress on the issue. >> i have talked about the situation in the city of chicago, you can find guns just right outside. you have to have a nationwide situation to set up any sort of

control at all. patricia, with regard to the "washington post" new article which talks about the president's new domestic level of gun control. also the budget. i want to get your take on that how might lawmakers shape the president's stance on all these yooshs? >> the president has everything to do with all these issues. the president has come to a point where he has gotten these issue s as far as he can by himself. th that's why he's going around the country getting people to -- why did ronald reagan work with tip o'neill? why did he work with -- they had to, presidents can't get their agendas through without the help of congress, especially in a divided washington. but i think the biggest question about president obama -- will he

be a president who presided over a functional washington or a disfunctional washington. if he can start to get washington to function, work with republicans, get -- without congress, he's gone as far as he possibly can. i know he would be disappointed in that and his voters would be disappointed in that as well. coming up at the bottom of the hour, as mentioned, we will hear from senator joe manchin of west virginia about his plan to curb gun violence. a clash between guards and detainees at guantanamo bay prison. the crackdown was necessary because prisoners had covered up security cameras and windows as part of a weeks long protest and hunger strike. the detainees are upset about

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>> they think this is the likely time to test this missile, if north korea is going to test it at all. sort of a fire works grand finale of this tension, it would mark the anniversary of his grandfather. it would solidify the connections between him and his grandfather. and that would be the whole point of this month to demonstrate that kim jong-un is the successor of his grandfather. >> they have greater capability and they don't think like us and they do have the ability to set seoul on fire. before we take them out, they would be capable of shelling some of the biggest cities.

many times in history, conflicts with started by accident, by escalatory measures. >> they have been following an excellent strategy so far, meeting the original provocations with some firmness, displaying military might, shoring up our allies, south korea and japan, signaling that this thing could get out of control. and now you see the u.s. taking a more diplomatic stance, not meeting fire with fire. not meeting kim jong-un's bluster with our own. get china on board so both of them as the secretary said can bear down on kim jong-un. senator mccain is exactly right, the threat right now is not a nuclear threat, but it's a

conventional threat a war that starts by incident in this weird of tension that spirals out of control. >> and secretary kerry says we will protect our allies. let's listen to a little more of what he said after meeting with other secretaries in beijing. >> we do want to focus on the better alternative and we don't want to get into a threat for threat or some kind of confrontational language here, there's been enough of that. >> so the secretary obviously prefers the diplomatic approach here. but what about china, does it want a stabilized north korea. >> china didn't mind being a-oez it doesn't want north korea to provoke a confrontation. it wants an extended period of peace and stability to carry out its economic modernization and it doesn't want to see japan, korea and the united states

build up it's international forces. that's where you see the displeasure of kim jong-un. ironically, this confrontation could actually improve the relations between the united states and china and we have many other interests in china, not just tarping down the north korean crisis. >> you have just said that north korea cannot hit the u.s. but what is their nuclear capability, especially on the heels of these intelligence reports. first of all, could they hit japan with a nuke? do they have nuclear capability at all. >> we do believe they have the material for some six to eight nuclear weapons. what they have actually produced a weapon is questionable. but they probably have the ability to put a war head on one

of their short range missiles, this is something you heard from the defense intelligence agency this week, assessing they may have that ability. it's questionable, but they may have it. what they don't have is a long range missile that could hit the united states, they do not have something that could hit california or washington or even the cities in alaska. they do have short range missiles that could hit seoul, that could hit japan, so this is a threat, but primarily a regional threat at this point. number one is the revenge of the nerds plus a new scandal from the bbc. also we want to see you, so go to weekends with alex witt and li and like us to keep the conversation going. no, not at all. how many of these can we do on our budget? more than you think. that didn't take very long, did it?

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welcome back to weekends with alex witt. now headlines at the half. bbc under fire t london school of economics has denounced a network for using a student organized trip to north korea as cover for a reporting trip about the communist country. the school says the bbc put students at risk by having at least one journalist pretend to be affiliated with the university. the bbc plans to air that report mon. venezuelans are voting for their next president. and the new study shows you're more likely to cheat on your taxes if you live around san francisco, los angeles, houston, atlanta or washington, d.c. the study by the national taxpayer advocate found people who own construction businesses may be more likely to fudge the

numbers than owners of other co-companies. republican senator susan collins tells nbc news that she will vote in favor of the bipartisan background check bill. that makes susan collins the first republican to back the measure. and joining me now is the co-sponsor of the bill, west virginia senator joe manchin. thank you, senator for being here. let's talk about 68 of your colleagues, sir, they have voted to allow the debate to forward. susan collins in your camp, also republican mark kirk is also expected to vote in favor. how many votes do you think you have at this point? >> we need more. we're working very hard and we have an awful lot of people who are considering. and the bill is only 49 pages long, it's online, manchin.senate.gov. i would encourage everyone to get on there and it breaks it

down. i would encourage people to know about and also the so-called paranoia and name calling and finger pointing. the more people who know about this bill, the more people are going to support it. if you are a law abiding citizen in america, you will like the bills that will treat you like a law abiding gun owner. if you're a criminal and you try to buy a gun at a gun show or online, you're not going to like the bill because it's going to prevent you from getting a gun. >> susan collins calls it a reasonable measure. but background checks as you know, they would not have prevented newtown. first off, do you agree with that assessment and second will there be any legislation restricting magazine size? >> what we have in this, and i

heard my friend marco rubio talking about violence and the things he was talking about that he would like to see, and all i'm asking marco to do is after reading the bill or have his staff go through it, everything he mentioned in this bill. the large part of this bill is a commission on mass violence which looks at gun safety, it looks at mental illness, at school safety, at video violence, you know, the most, i think the most moving thing i have ever been a part of is when the families of the newtown children came to see me, they're the first ones to tell you, they said, joe, if this bill that you have in front of you was in place, this bill would not have prevented my little child, my little baby from getting killed, that wouldn't have done it. but if we can help one other family and prevent them from going through what i am going through, that would be something and that does close down the

background check for mental and also very violent criminals and at gun shows and online. i think if people read the bill and if we had half of the courage that the newtown families have, what a job we could do and what a place it would be. >> may i ask you, how that has emotionally affected members of congress all week? i have heard it said that you can barely walking through the halls of congress without running to a family member of someone who had been hurt by gun violence? >> alex, what they have endured, i can't even imagine and i know you saw some of the clip where is i just -- emotions got the best of me. i'm a parent, i'm a grandparent. >> me too. >> and it just tore me apart. they have not asked to take anybody's guns away, this bill does not take anybody's guns away. they have not asked for registration, this bill makes it illegal even more so than today to do any religigistration, it

be a felony, they have not asked for anyone's second amendment rights, this reaffirms a law abuying g inin ining gun owner'. but if you can prevent a criminal or someone who's mentally deranged from going to a gun show or online to obtain it, it may spare another family. if that doesn't move a number of my colleagues, i don't know what will. >> how do you rationalize, i guess i'll call it, those who call all of this gun control potential, then you have people coming to your door to take your guns away, how do we convince people that's not the case? >> we have gotten so cynical in your country, nobody trusts our government, they have no confidence that we'll find the balance. this bill finds the balance, it

does not infringe on -- i come from west virginia, and we have a gun culture, we were raised with guns. it does not infringe on anybody's ability to give it to their child or a grandson or family member or anybody in an individual transfer. it says if you're going to do a commercial gun show, if you're going online, you will be subjected to a back ground check and that will prevent hopefully the criminals and the mentally ill that have been adjudicated from getting a gun. it's very simple. >> i think part of what's so profound about this is that you're from west virginia and your partner in this is from pennsylvania states that have a strong gun culture. but let's look at two democrats, mark begich of alaska -- they are up for reelection in 2014 in what are some of these so-called red states.

more than 80% of the public are in favor of background checks. is is nra so strong that it can essentially defy the will of the public and intimidate legislators? >> i'm not going to speak on their behalf or their tactics or anything. these are all good people, my colleagues you just mentioned. almost just say that the environment that we're in in washington, alex, the easiest thing i can do is vote no. you know if i vet no, i don't have to be sitting here explaining why something is good, why it meets the happy balance, if you will, how it can protect people's lives without people shooting at you. so voting knows an easy vote. somebody's mad about everything. we weren't sent to washington, i believe, by our constituents just for ourselves to perpetuate our ability to stay there, just for me to get reelegislated. my thing is that we can make a difference and keep people safe

in our society and i come from a gun culture, i'm a proud gun owner. if i can bring credibility, pat toomey and my friends bring credibility, two other friends on this is chuck schumer and mark kirk. chuck has come from an area where we didn't support chuck's original plan, he's been willing to work with us and modify. mark kirk from illinois has been with us a republican from day one. if we can start working together and talking got and fix gsz what we know is wrong and talking about rights, taking care of our veterans, taking care of our law abiding gun owners and keep criminals from buying a gun then we somewhere done something and i believe that's what i was sent there to do. >> how confident are you that this legislation will be passed after thorough reading and discussion with your colleagues in the senate? >> tomorrow at 2:00 or 2:30 or so, pat toomey and i will go to the floor of the senate and we're going to start going through the bill and discussing

it. we would encourage our colleagues to come down and join with us. if you're thinking about it and you want to know, let's talk about it. ask us questions and we're going to go through the bill and we're going to continue to do that. i think this is a type of bill, if you're a law abiding gun owner and somebody says guess what, we're going to start registering and making sure they know where your guns are so they can come in and take them. that is a falsehood and a lie. we protect you stronger than anybody that has ever protected you for those rights. but you have to read the bill. manchin.senate.gov you can read this bill. if they will just take the time as long as we go and continue to debate, let's say we vote thursday or so. i these you're going to see people turning. i think they're going to say, look, this is responsible, it's reasonable. and i'm hoping my friend marco and others will take time to do that and who knows, maybe the

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it is linguistically illogical. you are calling a person illegal, not an action, people cannot be illegal. actions can be illegal. it's not a legal term in immigration courts. it came illegal to not prejudge people. people can be standing over a dead body and we'll call them alleged even though we all know that you did it. >> until proven in a court of law. but to say illegal immigrant, you have convicted them. when you're talking about undocumented workers. then you're talking about inspiring americans. the fact that 75% of them pay payroll taxes, many of them are paying income or property taxes

or other sorts of taxes. they are generated a lot into the system and because they're undocumented they are not able to benefit from that. they will not collect social security and that sort of thing. even though they're paying into the system. so they are makers, not takers. >> so when you do the cycle, what speaks the most. who takes up the most air time? >> i don't know, alex. i don't tally minutes. >> how about this, who's got the loudest voice? >> who knows? who speaks louder and tries to make, you know. >> how about this, who do you spar with the most? >> well, i star with espy the

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it would be far better for him to take a few days of hits, you know, being accused of having walked this back, than for him to stand for a proposition that would reduce the cost of living increase for our seniors, veterans and many, many others. i mean it is the smaller pain to walk it back. it would cost some reputational interests, maybe even a drop in the poll. but so what? >> that was congressional progressive caucus chair east

ellison calling on president obama to walk back the budget reforms in his proposals that would -- former dnc governor and former rnc chairman and nbc analyst michael steel. good to have you with me. governor, i'll begin with you, besides the gop, should the president walk back the social security changes? >> of course not. look, the bottom line is, if we're going to have a grand bargain, if we're going to deal with the debt problem that's facing america and i believe is like an elephant pressing down on our economy, if we're going to get that solved, we're going to have to make concessions. we need revenue from the other side. we're not going to get revenue from the other side without making concessions on entitlement reform. and these are concessions which are not draconian, the president took care of the poorest and

oldest among social security recipients. i think it is something we're going to have to bite our lip and live with. if i were king, we wouldn't do it this way, we would uncap the payroll tax and eliminate $110,000 and we would generate money that way. but it's not going to work, both sides have to make concessions. the president is showing real leadership and stand behind him not try to undercut him. >> the direct tot of the omb said that the social security cuts were specifically republican -- are they being obstructionists? >> a lot of this is the general jockeying as the governor well knows the process. you've got three proposals, the president has one. everybody's jockeying for the

commission. the salient point is that you've got two principles that are either going to clash or get resolved, the principal of more revenue, the republicans are going to look to have put on the table. and the cuts from the president or maybe some additional reforms or entitlement that reduce spending. there's a little bit of jockeying going on. republicans still argue, we put 360-plus billion of new revenue on the table in january. let's make sure the cuts that the president's put in the budget are real, then we'll go from there. right now i don't see republicans giving too much ground on that point just yet. >> with republicans probably still wanting more, does the president have anywhere to go now? did he already give too much. >> he's got places to go, for example the age limit for medicare, and again, people say

nancy pelosi makes a very good argument. what about the woman who's stood on her feet making other people's beds, are we going to make her wait. you can do -- let's get this done. some of my democratic friends, my progressive friends don't realize is that the debt is killing the economy, it's killing growth in the economy and growth in the economy is going to curb the jobs that poor americans really mean. >> you're talking about carveouts, that's basically using a scalpel to go through these kinds of cuts rather than with an ax. and then you talk about sequester, does that really work. >> i don't have a problem with the sequester because it forces

the white house to deal with the reality as the governor just not noted. it's refraeeshing to have washington focus or begin to focus on the problems. if you're looking at the problems, with it's medicare/medicaid, social security, some of these entitlement programs, you're going to have to make concessions to those already in the system, if you're looking to reform the system for those coming into int in 20 to 30 years. we can't sustain the programs with the workers that are in the system. you've got to create his balances,ing you've got to create those carve outs. >> governor, your thoughts. >> i think michael's right, there's no question. the thing we have got to start focusing on, just two quick

points, alex, number one the dealt is the real problem, and it's hurting the economy now. forget what paul krugman says, it is important, because it's a wet blanket on the economy, it's laying over growth and expansion dramatically. if we do a debt deal, i think the economy will take off, if we do a debt deal over the next 20 to 30 years it resolves the problem. secondly, you can't always get what you want and both sides have to realize that. both sides are going to have to give. the president has to lead the republicans have been calling on him to lead and now he's showing real leader ship. they should have been more forthcoming, saying it's are good first step, we want more but the president's reaching out, it's a good sign. >> can't always get what you want, sounds like a good title for a song. thank you so much, have a good sunday. a famed journalist known for his front line battle coverage says he's never going back to a war zone, the one death that

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immigration reform and gun violence. the week ahead could be pivotal for both. we're going to lay it all out. diplomacy to defuse. can john kerry's trip short circuit the calamity. >> i was delighted when she -- i have been waiting 30 long years for this. and disrespect for the dead, protesters celebrate the passing of the iron lady. have these margaret thatcher critics crossed the line? s welcome to weekends with alex witt. the so-called gang of 8 senators including four democrats and four republicans will release their plan for comprehensive immigration reform this week. and one of the ark techs of the plans is making the rounds today calling for support for his sweeping legislation. marco rubio appeared on all the

sunday talk shows with a similar message. >> this allows them to earn and an session to the illegal immigration system. all we're doing is giving people the opportunity to learn eventually access to our new and improved modernized legal immigration system. all we're trying to do is giving people a chance to gain access to the same legalization process that will be available to everyone else. [ speaking in native language ] >> let's go to the house and nbc's kristen welker, kristen, hell hello. >> not all u.s. law hagers see it that way. >> reporter: is not amnesty for people who are here illegally. making this argument is going to be critical to getting republicans on board because of course this is one of their chief concerns, that this legislation will grant amnesty,

you heard jeff sessions make that argument today, for example. so senator rubio really disputing those claims and saying, look, this legislation that is set to be unveiled will secure the border, and it will also allow people who are here to apply for provisional legal status within six months and then ultimately for a green card within 10 years once the borders are secured. here's a little bit more of what senator rubio had to say. take a listening. >> in fact it will be much cheaper, faster and much less bureaucratic if you do it in the right way and no no way doing the right way will be a reward. either the people who have come here illegally or the people who have come here legally in the past. we'll address that concern simply and effectively. >> reporter: the legislation already provides a fair pay

scale for people who are here temporarily and trying to gain citizenship status. one of the things that helped to derail immigration reform back in 2007 so those who are working on this legislation say that is a real deal that they have hammered out a deal on that. marco rubio was asked by a number of people this morning if he had an eye on 2016, while he's working on immigration reform. he wouldn't answer that question, he said he's here in washington to get a job done and he isn't thinking about 2016. >> susan collins of maine is the first republican to say she will vote for the compromise. >> i spoke with maine republican senator susan collins today who said she had not told anyone about her plan to vote yes until our conversation.

collins is up for re-election next year from a state that has among the highest rates of unownership. this is not on businesses or families that want to pass down guns to their own family. >> senator collins called the manch manchin-toomey bill a reasonable approach. >> welcome to both of you. >> hi, alex. >> so, john, i'll begin with you, senator joe manchin and pat toomey both of them say the bipartisan bill that would extent the back ground checks to the gun shows and online. they think it will go for a vote in the senate possibly wednesday. here's what senator john mccain is saying today. >> first of all i would like to thank pat and joe for their work

together. we need to do a lot more of that. i'm very favorably disposed towards that. i want to give it credit, but i'm favorably disposed. >> favorly d >> favorably disposed, does that sound like enforcement to you. >> it means it's going to pass. joe manchin is also a conservative democratic senator, you've got john mccain, jeff flake who also voted from gabby giffords home state of arizona. it's pretty clear that this thing is rolling down the track. the question is, is there enough momentum once it gets out of the senate that the house takies it up and passes it. >> what you're hearing about the prospects of the the

manchin-toomey bill. >> with people like jeff flake and john mccain on board, we're seeing good signs for the bill for the wednesday volt and i think that's a good thing. in the house john boehner has not agreed to hold a vote on this measure. >> specifically here immigration, what is his goal by going on this interview blitz? >> well, what he's trying to do, since he's taken up an issue that's very controversial within the republican base and has, he's trying to lay the predicate for responding to concerns like the ones that you were alluding to from jeff sessions before. but this is another issue and another piece of legislation that is rolling down the track and is going to pass. the question is, what are the particulars? look, republicans have got a huge problem with hispanic voters, everybody knows that, everybody knows that they're not going to win national elections

until they address that issue among other political problems that they have. and to have marco rubio, who's a rising star within the party, who's an hispanic united states senator himself, somebody who is likely to run for president, be a formidable competitor at some point, that tells you that this is a priority that is likely very likely to overcome the resistance from some of the southern conservatives like jeff sessions and others. >> elise, what do you make of the senator's multiple appearances on the talk shows what's the take away for you. >> i know marco rubio wouldn't answer the question guilt 2016. but we have to put this to the test. this is a major test for marco rubio and his brand which is in some ways still having to define itself. we don't want to give amnesty to undocumented immigrants but at the same time we need to do something to overall this system. i think that's what he's doing, he's being very aggressive in

his messaging. >> i would just add as a postscript, i well remember appearances by barack obama on sunday talk shows in 2006 and even earlier in 2007 when he said that, no, of course i'm not going to run for president. so i wouldn't -- i don't personally assign a lot of doubt to the idea that marco rubio whether in 2016, or in the 2020 election after that is going to run for president at some point. >> even before that, though, john, can i take a look at your argue article in the "new york times" entitled midterm elections unlikely to enter party balance. why is that? >> given the way redistricting works and the partisan balance of so many seats in the house, there aren't very many seats in play in the election, around 30 in each party, where the incumbent party is vulnerable in that seat, but that's not a prescription for democrats picking up the 17 they need to capture a majority.

traditionally, the if the's party gets hammered in midterm elections. i think the democrats are reasonably well positioned given the republican image problems to defy history in that sense, but probably not very unlikely to -- well on wednesday, political figures around the world will be gathering in london to pay final respects to former british prime minister and political power house baroness margaret thatcher. the iron woman is not being honor honored by thousands in her country. martin bashir with the bureau there, she won a war, she contributed to the demise of come in addition, why is she reviled by so many in britain? >> in 1985, inflation was 20%,

in 1979, 29 million working days were estimated to have been lost by industrial action strikes. by 1986, that had gone down to 2 million. so the statistics mount up. but for much of what she did, there was a deep unrest, a deep ill feeling on the part of many people and it's interesting to note that her tenure as prime minister was marked by repeated riots. there were labor riots, there were race riots and of course there were the riots that ultimately ended her career and led her own party to throw her out. >> margaret thatcher, the iron lady, britain's first and only female prime minister. >> the lady's not returning.

>> britain has been engaged in a battle over the legacy of its former leader. >> it doesn't surprise me that she's as divisive in death as she was in life. >> hundreds gathered to shake their fists at thatcherism. the impact of her policies still roar after two decades. >> we need to remember the victims of margaret thatcher and her society, her time in government. >> even the world of music has been dragginged into the battle. an online campaign has brought the song "ding dong the witch is dead" has been brought up on the british music charts. >> i believe that by playing the whole record that would be disrespectful. her children, however, say there's been plenty of support and sympathy for the family.

>> the magnificent trish ubutess week, the wonderful words of president obama, these have given me strength. this is going to be a tough and tearful week even for the daughter of the iron lady. >> lady thatcher's funeral service which will be marked by ceremonial grandeur will take place at the cathedral monday morning. >> margaret thatcher's funeral is a symbolic funeral. it's not on the same level as princess diana or even the queen mother. >> even the cusp of the funeral is now a matter of dispute. it's estimated to be at about $15 million, if you look at the guest list, it's perfectly hon most why that price has risen. queen elizabeth will be in attendance along with prince

filip. >> how have the papers categorized all these displays? i know some have called this guerrilla sort of behave yoibeh. some call it guerrilla fever. how have the newspapers combatted this. >> britain's newspaper is theological. so some have described her as the greatest peacetime prime minister in the history of the united kingdom. others have described her as the most destructive force that this country's ever had at number 10 countying street. so the papers have reflected these opinions. but it's not just the papers, as i was say in that piece, right at this moment the bbc is playing it's chart show, and "ding dong the witch is dead" is currently at about 3 or 4. we don't know how high it's risen up the pop charts. but even that's become a matter of dispute so. what's happening is the bbc has

decided not to play the song in its entirety, normally it would be every song in the top ten. then they're having a music reporter explain why this song has risen up following an online campaign. that's obviously because the woman hasn't yet been laid to rest and there's some sense that this has been disrespectful to her memory. >> a very delicate dance indeed. martin whbashir, thank you so much. martin bashir can be seen every day at 4:00 p.m.'re on msnbc. power consumption in china, impact wool exports from new zealand,

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turning to tokyo where john kerry is inviting north korea to return to the negotiating table. >> we are confident that we can address the concerns with respect to their security and find ways together with china and the republic of korea and japan and russia and the members of the six party talks. we can find a way to resolve these differences at a negotiating table. >> msnbc amon h-- >> the secretary seemed pretty confident of a peaceful solution to this, sfliright? >> there's no doubt about it. in fact it was made on the heels

of his trip to beijing, he came here to japan to reiterate the u.s.'s commitment to -- the countries of japan, china and the united states have all reached a consensus that this part of the korean peninsula must remain demilitarized. they were concerned in recent days not only about the rhetoric coming out of north korea, but the north koreas at least have the ability to put a nuclear war head on a missile, but it's not sure whether they can accomplish this. many people here in japan were not concerned that an attack was going to happen, i shouldn't say adamage, but some sort of missile test was going to take places. all eyes will be on tomorrow. as secretary john kerry heads back to the united states. tomorrow is the 100th anniversary of the birthday of

the founding of north korea, it is a date that's widely sbrited and some intelligence estimates suggest that north korea could use this important, symbolic day to use and an opportunity to fire that test missile that they have been in the last few years. it's something that those here in the region will be watching very closely. >> senator john mccain has been out in front on this. his greatest concern seeming to be on our allies and locally for seoul? >> yes, this is a situation that has repeated itself in the past. many people this saber rattling if you will is to get north koreans to make concessions, but at the same time north korea wants confessions with the united states and china, so this tactic if you will has been seen in the past. that's why people in the region are not necessarily concerned that something imminent will take place, but certainly as we

have heard from the u.s. senator john mccain, that this is getting too far that, the saber rattling is getting too loud and you simply cannot risk it. this is a leader who has been in power for just over a year in north korea and certainly many people don't know his personality or his prediction, whether or not he would even be willing to use military force and rather escalate that conflict across the region. joining me now congressman adam shift, a democrat from california and the house intelligence economy. good to sigh you. were you satisfied with john kerry's meeting in beijing and with their response? >> i think the secretary is doing exactly what he should do is use that leverage to live up to this growing role on the world stage, it's an opportunity for the u.s. and china the

demonstrate that when they're together on the same page, there's nothing these two nations can't accomplish together. what will come out of that? we have yet to see lt a lot of that will be done in private sessions between china and north korea. there's much speculation as to how much china still has, but the only country that has real influence is the united states and china. but i think what the secretary has done has been exactly on the right step, we have, you know, a couple of objectives here, alex, the first obviously is to avoid conflict and loss of life. the second objective is very tough, and that's to make sure that we don't reward north korean behavior and that we don't reward this endless cycle of belligerence followed by concession, followed by negotiation, followed by agreement, followed by breach of agreement, followed by stone any silence and back to belligerence again. we have to find some way to deal with this hermetically sealed

nation. >> what do you think about north korea's capability? where do you think it has? >> clearly they have a nuclear bo bomb, they have the capacity, they have tested it several times. whether or not they can put it on a missile is in question. whether they could make their weapon a smaller size and deliver it is still something we don't have adequate evidence on, but listen, we don't want to take any risks, so i think we're taking prudent steps by moving these interceptors in place so that we can shoot down missiles if necessary. >> where does if necessary fall, though, is it if they conduct a missile test? do we shoot it down? and where does that line come if we would walk and cross and have to shoot something down. >> i don't expect something that might launch in the next couple of weeks might be a nuclear

missile. but what a nuclear missile is aimed at our territory in guam or it's aimed at one of our allies in japan or seoul, then i think we shoot it down. if it's on a trajectory to land harmlessly in the ocean, then i don't think we take that stechlt in fact shooting off a missile that lands harmlessly in the ocean, may ultimately be the way that kim jong-un sees as the only way he can safe face. >> let's switch gears and get to the president's budget proposal because it's not going over so well within the party. where do you stand with it and where do you take issue? >> certainly, part of it doesn't go over well with me either, and i have greet respect for the president but i don't agree with the cpi cut. particularly since we have not

done very well asking people who have done very well over the years. it just doesn't seem very equitable or right to me. other parts of the budget i do like. i like the investment in early child hood education, i like the infrastructure and i like the work on balancing our budget. but i don't think we shoumd do that by making life already difficult for seniors just trying to get by. >> but presumably, the president believes by including entitlements on the negotiating table he would perhaps form a grand bargain and get rid of the sequestration. >> i encourage the -- i didn't think it was good policy and i didn't think it would be reciprocated and it johasn't be reciprocated. i don't think it's good poll sichlt it's good that the president is willing to compromise but he hasn't found a willing partner on the other side and frankly i think there are better ways to reduce our

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experts are saying that new orleans has attained the largest overhaul. >> it's called katrina, in 2005, that storm literally wiped out schools in this city of 115, 120-some-odd schools, nearly all of them were destroyed. so they got a clean slate and had to start from the ground up and what they did was they tried to rebuild from the fact that nearly two sirds of the schools in new orleans were considered failing schools, they revamped, they started with a new process of education, new teachers, they also start what they call an open enrollment system. th they decentralized it in the government but centralized it in the schools. so the schools can hire and fire

and prepare their seech o'teachers. as you mentioned, those scorings are going up. but louisiana says they still have a long way to go because their -- this absolutely is considered to be in the right direction for kids in the city and in the state. >> what do you expect to hear, rehema, from the town hall you're hosting with some high school students and some college freshmen what you're going to see that they want the groernups to keep working on this. one of the statistics that people should know about that five years from now, about 50% of the jobs in this city, in this state will require people have a college degree. but current estimates saya only something like 32% of people in the state will have that credential. that means there is a gap. that means that people will not be able to get those high paying jobs, many of which will be stem, science, technology, engineering and math. but these kids that we're going

to have in this town hall medium, i bet, because we have heard it from other kids. they want to make sure they're ready. this isn't just about education, it's about the economy. they will have to either export those jobs or -- that makes it a much different scenario for people, and perhaps students in this building. >> it's all related, has a domino effect. rehema ellis, thank you. ie ] it's just so frustrating... ♪ the middle of this special moment and i need to run off to the bathroom. ♪ i'm fed up with always having to put my bladder's needs ahead of my daughter. ♪ so today, i'm finally talking to my doctor

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welcome back to weekends with alex witt. it's now been 44 days since the sequester took place.

from cancer clinics turning away medicaid patients. joining us now is nancy cook, correspondent for the national journal. what sort of impact to social security cuts like food banks and the head start programs have on the economy overall? >> they have an affect on the economy, it's a fiscal drag, it's a time when the unemployment rate still remains high, the housing industry is -- the economy is really struggling to get momentum and anything like spending cuts for instance really creates a fiscal cldrag that drags down the economy. >> the administration is spending -- those numbers really don't add up there. but the cuts to the social services, they're obviously going to affect lower income people more. but then you have the furloughs

for the government contractors. are all the classes being hit equally or not? >> yeah, they certainly are. the thing is that the sequester exempts very low income people. it's not going to affect things like health insurance for children, veteran's programs, or food stamps, there are some protections built in. there are some affects for those in the working class, we're not going to see them until august, but it will come in the form of reduced unemployment checks and it also come in the place of civilian furloughs that will take effect this month. >> only 88,000 new jobs in march. and though unemployment did faulfall technically speak.1%, that's just people leaving the workforce, so is this the beginning of a trend?

>> certainly, and it's not necessarily the sequester that's causing it at this point. kplis economists attribute it to the payroll tax endinging at the first of the year. and that's causing some slippage in things like retail jobs. but it certainly is a really worrisome trend that people are dropping out of the labor force all together and that the people participating in the labor force, we haven't seen that number this low since 1979. which is pretty remarkable. >> nancy cook, thank you. two weeks ago, rather two years ago this week, photo journalist jim hetherington was killed in -- out with a new movie for hbo. which way is the front line from here? it chronicles hetherington's career that took from the tsang

s of the -- and eventually to that city on the libyan coast. >> the reality of war isn't am i going to get killed out there. you're guaranteed to lose your brothers. >> i talked with younger recently about what made tim so special and why is work is so missed. >> he was an amazing combat photographer. he just had that down, he was so brave and he he captured incredible images. but that was just the starting point. what he really wanted to do was tell stories about the human experience. he wanted to talk about people, whether it was refugees in afghanistan or a taxi driver in the city. his photos are almost an after thought, what he was really after was a human connection. he wanted to tell stories using visual media. what he wanted to point out is

our commonality. he was very attuned to the sort of quiet dignity of the human struggle and i think he wanted to wake other people up to that as well. >> something you say in the film that rings true and is a little frightening u but you say a core truth about war is that you're guaranteed to lose your brothers. so with that, what is it that drove you, tim, your buddies to keep going back? >> well, after tim was killed, i decideded very abruptly, within an hour or to of finding out that he was not going to cover war anymore. war is a lot of things, it's incredibly exciting, it's very dramatic, it's very scary, it's very meaningful. it's devastating, it's all kinds of sort of over the top things. what you don't realize initially is that the thing it's really about is you're risking not just your life, but you will probably lose someone you love.

and a platoon mate, a fellow journalist, we gear up with the risk to ourselves, no one gets geared up to deal with that kind of loss. that's the ultimate truth about war, and i think when i exexperienced it with tim, i didn't have the stomach for it anymore. tim's boundless energy in the field, not just as a -- tim was very focused on a bit of an enigma, war is so terrible that young men are drawn to it. it's something that society has to understand and he dealt with it quite explicitly in his work, tim was drawn to it in his work and it killed him.

it's something we have to figure out as a society. >> what do you think tim would think of you making this documentary? >> i wouldn't have made it if i had thought that he wouldn't like it. i kind of checked in my internal version of tim. he worked in visual media and it seemed like to me the perfect way to try to preserve his memory and his work to make a film about him. i think he would have liked the film. >> which way is the front line from here, it debuts thursday night on hbo. the gun fight on capitol hill, will anything get done? the big three is next. with the spark cash card

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will it pass? we're talking about gun control the manchin-toomey bill. what do you think in terms of it passing. >> there's a long way to go on this. what the senate wanted to do is start debating. that's a long way from it becoming law, from reaching president obama's desk. the house could delay it for months and months, it could never see action, but that's something that will get a close look. but i will say that the newtown families are having a big effect on the way they're voting. >> even a couple of weeks ago, people were saying even background checks may not pass. but there's a number of people that say that may be turning the tide and that may go there. >> the only way you're going to get something through the senate is to actually bring the family

of newtown victims to washington. it looks like it worked. i'm not suggesting they got the idea from me, i think they're pretty smart on their own. but christinchristina's right. this has a long way to go for the next two weeks on the senate floor. he's going to use this thing called a motion to table. that is in layman's terms he's able to kill any amendment with a simple up and down vote. they'll send a very slim bill to the house and my gut tells me it probably dies in the house. >> robert, i was going to ask you about that, what happens to it in the house if it gets there? >> i think it depends on the public temperature if you will, a couple of weeks from now, if in fact the families of newtown continue their very personal lobby effort on capitol hill, but also just tweeting a little bit and lobbying around the

country, i don't see how the house can't pass some watered down version. the newtown families are here, they're the voice, they're the advocates and on capitol hill, also getting the quote unquote presidential address and response was an incredibly emotional ordeal to watch and? 's going to be the pivotal punch here. >> let's get to moving to no flowers for you. i'll stay with you, robert, the owner of a flower shop violated anti-discrimination law when she refused to provide flowers for a gay couple's wedding. the client says this is a violation of his free to free speech and religion. >> i drug wld this one because after reading the story and unzinunz i -- my understanding is that the flower shop owner does have a very, very close relationship with jesus christ, end quote, and that's in the process her faith told her not to do this or

is telling her not to do this. my understanding is that the gay couple was very understanding of and that the outrage came online here. as a gay american i want everyone to be able to follow the spirit of the law however i'm very sympathetic to people's personal religious views. >> we have a problem here, let's transport ourselves back to 1960s mississippi, do you think it would be okay for the state of mississippi to say to it's black residents, no, you can't go into that drugstore and eat at that lunch counter. in fact the same debate in the 1960s that god told people that african-americans were inferior and they should work and et cetera, et cetera, that that's the exact same argument that's being used now. this woman is saying that jesus christ told her not to sell flowers to gays. the last time i checked that's anti-capitalistic, that's also homophobic.

i think it's remarkably stupid on her part to hide behind religion when it comes to discrimination. >> 53% of americans support same-sex marriage, 44% are against it. what was the timing and what do you think was behind the rnc reiterating its platform stance as marriage being between one man and one woman. we know that. >> there is are split between social conservatives and people that have a lot of conservative ideals and don't care about social issues, particularly on a generational level and that's what you're really seeing with public sentiment across the united states, really turning very swiftly to favor gay marriage, the supreme court is considering it. there are a lot of big issues here. and the republicans are trying to balance their base with that. but when you see the younger and younger people in all parties looking at this as more of an issue of personal lib ber tirks it's probably not going to be a big issue four, five, eight, 12

years from now. >> the big three's must-read including a guide book to political redemption.

we're now back to the big three for this week's must-read. robert, we're going to start with yours. >> the political arena had a big run today as -- public's forgivens, a must-read today. >> how about you, christina, what's your must-read. >> the prisoners at guantanamo bay, cuba. something we should be paying attention to. >> okay, we'll do that. jimmy, how about you. >> the great julia preston from the "new york times" has put out a very good piece in today's times on how evangelicals are evolving on the issue of immigration and how they are welcoming the idea of bringing immigrants into the country and forgiveness and bringing them

into the fold. my question is why aren't they doing the same on the issue of marriage equality? >> thank you very much. that's a wrap of this sunday edition of weekend's with alex witt. breaking news as it happens, but up next, "meet the press" hosted by richard lui. [ phoebe ] stress sweat. it's different than ordinary sweat. it smells worse, and it can happen any time -- to anyone! like when i fell asleep at movie night with all my co-workers and i totally dream-snorted myself awake. i actually popped my head back so fast, i'm pretty sure i have whiplash.

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