target, am i right? >> there's been no cases of them taking outside the russian federation. if it's linked is very, very unusual. >> thank you so much. thank you all. that's the end of this special edition. the rachel maddow show is live. that's last point after politically motivated violence super important. that was a great discussion of it. that was awesome. >> thank you. have an amazing weekend when you're done with this hour. >> thank you for staying with us. newspapers that are dated april 19th, 2013 will not be read. a lot of things that will be in the april 20th, 2013 newspapers will not be noticed even if they

gh get in there. you'll be surprised to note that the governor of kansas stiigned restrictive abortion. the boy scouts today decided they will stop some of the ways they discriminate against gay people and the giant fertilizer explosion in texas rose to 14. the date on which all of those thinks happened in the news will forever live on as historical news footnotes because however porn they are or turn out to be in the long run it will always be remembered about them, if they're remembered, that nobody was following them closely on the day that they happened except for the people most close to those stories. today was the day the nation instead was all holding its breath all day long riveted to

the sights and sounds in watertown, massachusetts. that video of that gunfight was fought by an affiliate in boston in watertown, mass. that was the start of the fbi hostage rescue team catching the guy. catching the remaining at large suspect in the bombing of the boston marathon. they got him. he is alive. he is in custody. we have a live report from the hospital where he is right now coming up in just a moment. to understand how we got here start at the fbi press conference that happened last night at 5:00 p.m. this was at the sheraton hotel this boston. the benchmark moment of that

press conference is when they released the photos for the first time and asked the public to call in if you knew anything about these guys. one of the other big developments was investigators announcing the thinking had changed. it was about from a lone assa assailant to more than one person. >> we developed a single person of interest not knowing if they were acting alone or in concert with others. indeed through that process the fbi developed a second suspect. today we're listing the public's help to identify the two suspects. >> that happened at about 5:00 last night. once the fbi posted the pictures of the two suspects they said they started receiving traffic at the fbi website at rate of

300,000 hits per second. we're told the fbi began receiving all sorts of name from the public. it was five hours after the press conference at 10:00 p.m. that a seemingly unrelated event started across the wires. in near by cambridge police discovered that campus police officer at m.i.t. had been shot and killed on the grounds of school. 26-year-old sceean collier was shot multiple times. investigators believe he was shot by the two bombing suspects who had been identified by the fbi just a few hours earlier. the police account of the event says the suspects left the scene of that shooting and traveled east, but they did not go far. what they did was carjacked a mercedes suv at gun point. they held the owner of that vehicle hostage and took off.

they went to three different atm sites to use the card to withdraw $800 in cash. they released the owner of the mercedes around 11:00 p.m. what followed after that was a wild middle of the night car chase and shoot out between those two suspects and law enforcement. the scene of that shoot out in watertown, massachusetts which is just next to cambridge where m.i.t. is, watertown is just outside boston. it's unclear if the suspects were trying to flee the whole area and that's how they ended up suburban watertown is where they ended it. it became the backdrop for a fight that stretched late into the night. residents reported hearing three explosions during that gunfight. we know the two suspects were throwing explosive devices at police from inside their moving vehicle during that chase. officials they they recovered

pipe bombs as well as a pressure cooker bomb. during that firefighter with police in watertown in the dead of night last night there were about 200 rounds fires. that gun battle ends in the death of one of the suspects. the one in the dark colors hat from the fbi briefing. he's 26-year-old tamerlan tsarnaev. he died with an improvised explosive device strapped to his chest. police began the search for the younger brother. 19-year-old dzhokhar who fled on foot after that fire fight. hundreds began sheltering it closely. the shelter in place order was spread out to include all of boston, all transit services

stopped, all taxi services stopped. the city comes to a complete halt. in the midst of the search for the suspect at large another suspicious device is discovered back in boston. this was close to the site of monday's marathon bombing. that device is destroyed by police during a controlled explosion. that was sometime before 7:00 a.m. this morning. police then also investigate reports of suspicious devices at the cambridge apartment where the two suspects live. officials said unexploded devices were discovered but they have since been made safe. police convened another conference this afternoon to announce the search is still on. they were still focusing on finding this one young man, 19-year-old dzhokhar tsarnaev. even though the man hunt was

ongoing the state police explained that the city could not stay locked down forever. they lifted the shelter in place order, lifted it for the city even though the suspect was still at large. then this was the most remarkable thing. 37 minutes after that press conference lifted with the lifting of the shelter in order, watertown erupts again. [ gunshots ] what we know about that footage is that it happened shortly been 7:00 p.m.

it was shot on a quiet residential street in watertown. the way the investigators were tipped off to show up at that address, that is just remarkable. after the shelter in place order was lifted by state officials, the person who lived that house, the resident of that house in watertown went outside. the shelter if place order was lifted. he decided to go outside to have a smoke. he keeps his boat on a trailer parked in the backyard of his house. when he went outside he noticed that there was something, the tarp that covered the boat. he walked oaf to investigate. he approached the boat. he pulled the tarp back and saw the suspect hiding inside the boat covered in blood. the man retreated, called 911. they flew a helicopter over the

site equipped with thermal imaging so they could use the suspect's body heat to determine if there was somebody alive and inside that boat and there was. at that point officials knew there was a reason to go in be t fbi's rescue team tried to talk him out of boat. he was described as having been noncommunicative. at that point there was an exchange of gunfire. we do not know if the suspect was hit but afterwards officials were able to take him into custody in an ambulance. just a remarkable resolution to this massive man hunt. one of the biggest cities locked down for a full working day. as soon as the public was let back out it was a member of the public who caught the guy. when the word got out, when boston police tweeted this, captured, the hunt is over. the search is over. justice has won. suspect in custody. when that word went out what

followed is a sight we've not seen in this country since probably the capture of osama bin laden when people turned out to the white house. the residents of watertown pouring into the streets and what appeared to be a spontaneous show of relief and emotion and appreciation, cheering for law enforcement saying thank you, waving american flags as they hauled captured suspect off to the hospital. i think we have footage from boston common in was the scene a short time ago at boston common. >> usa, usa. boston, boston, boston, boston. boston, boston, boston, boston. >> they're saying boston, boston. like the scene in watertown, s bost bostonians taking to the street. joining us is ron allen who is live tonight in boston.

we're told this is where the suspect is being treated. we're told he's in serious condition. thank you for being with us. what can you tell us? >> reporter: that was an interesting comparison between the night osami bin laden was killed and tonight in the celebrations. i was at ground zero. one big difference is this was very local. this was communal. this was really close. a lot of those officers were known many the community. the ones from watertown, bostons it was very really close. it was interesting to see the interaction between the public and law enforcement. the cars were driving down the streets and people were cheering and the officers were smiling. everybody was relieved. it was an amazing relationship that you could see very close. here at the hospital we don't know a lot about the suspect's

condition. serious, according to police. we believe he lost a lot of blood. we believe he was shot during the 20 hours or so he was on the run but we don't nope at one point in the process that happened. the boston globe said he was conscious and alive. we don't know how coherent he is. it's impossible to know yet. we've not been briefed. this is the west clinic center. the energy room is in the back of this building. you see the light police presence here. in the back when we arrived there was a heavy police presence. a lot of state troopers and cars with flashing lights. it was clear we're not allowed to get anywhere near that. we've been standing out here to see if we will hear any word. i don't think we will tonight. i think they are trying to let the situation calm down and perhaps we'll learn more tomorrow. just beyond here in the streets of boston more celebration. when we drove from watertown

there were a number of students out chanting usa. it's that kind of night here. it's a very unique situation, a very unique evening here, atmosphere of just relief, celebration and gratitude is an important word. a lot of gratitude that the community is expressing to the men and women who protect this community. >> absolutely. that's what you're describing is evident from the scenes on the street. thank you so much for being out there for us. i really appreciate it. one of the interesting things about the way this is spooling out. obviously, the bombings were on monday. today is friday. the other suspect was killed late thursday night, early friday morning. so many of the people who were

wounded in boston are going to survive those wounds they experienced in that bombing because of the excellent public health system in boston and the excellent hospitals there. beth israel has been treating the wounding victims and now they are keeping that suspect alive. now that the suspect has been apprehendsed alive authorities have a few thousands questions for him. sure does! wow. it's the honey, it makes it taste so... well, would you look at the time... what's the rush? be happy. be healthy.

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watching the on scene press conference of all different law officials involved in this man hunt, the successful man hunt. i thought the colonel who run the massachusetts state police said it has plainly as anybody could when he just sighed and he said, we're exhausted folks. we do have a victory here tonight. we have much more to report on the most dramatic 24 hours in a very long time, coming up.

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the remaining suspect in the be on the marathon bombing is in police custody. he's in police custody alive. that means there's a whole new chapter of the story beginning right now. it's the process by which police will build their case against the suspect who committed a terrorist attack against americans. the u.s. attorney saying earlier tonight that this is an ongoing and basactive investigation. we're told dzhokhar will not be read his miranda rights when he's able to be questioned. as far as we know he's in too bad of shape to answer questions at all. in terms of what he is waiting for from his miranda. you know it from "law and

order." you have the right to remain silent. you have the right to consult an attorney before speaking to the police. if you cannot afford an attorney one will be appointed for you before any questions if you wish. if you decide to answer any questions without an attorney you will still have the right to stop answering. are you willing to answer my questions without an attorney present? it's not always exactly like that and in the movies the person saying it usually has a much cooler accent but that's pretty much the idea. your statements are only admissible in court if they come after you've been told that list of things about your rights. there is a public safety exception for questions that just had to be asked of you urgently for legitimate public safety need even if those questions came before you got read the miranda. the obama administration has extended the reach of that

public safety exemption so it can last longer to attend to the public safety threats that could accrue in terrorism cases. presumely like this one. this man is not being treated as an enemy come combatant. he's on track to be questioned by a detainee group. he's an american citizen and will face american justice. joining us now is kendall coffee. it's good to have you with us tonight. thanks for joining us. >> thanks for including me. >> it became big news that dzhokhar tsarnaev was not read his miranda rights and might not be at the initial portion of his interrogation because of the public safety exemption. yould you have expected that? >> it's matter of degree. this comes against the backdrop

of civilian trial versus enemy combatant. the obama administration trying to demonstrate civilian tools are adequate and tough enough to make everybody safe. in that process the public safety exception seems to be evolving for terrorism purposes. for example, just to sort of track we remember that the so-called christmas day bomber who was briefly interrogated under the public safety exception but then very quickly given his miranda rights. that set off a fire storm of criticism not being tough enough on terrorists. the next high profile veevent w the fire square bomber. you can ask somebody where there's a reasonably objective

standard. what are you asking about immediate danger and is there a belief there is imminent danger and when you're trying to elicit a confession. that's where it gets kind of gray. in this case it's a very high profile announcement that miranda isn't going to happen any time soon. whatever else we can draw from this it's going to be much tougher statement about the administration's approach to so-called terrorism suspects. >> you're saying they're carving out new ground. they have pushed this part of the envelope before but with this overt statement saying we are planning in advance to be so alarmed by having him in our custody once he can speak that we're going to extend the public safety exemption. you're saying that's pushing the

envelope farther than in previous cases? >> i think it is. there was some internal steps taken to encourage more aggressive use of the public safety exception. that kind of development is something obviously that has some, i'm sure many legitimate concerns but it's also going to be seen as a message we can use the civilian courts. we don't need to ship everybody down to guantanomo. while this kind of approach can get some criticism and liberals. the administration may see it as something that's essential to

preserve the use of jury trials and the basic constitutional protections even for terrorism cases. >> thank you for helping us understand that crucial context. >> thanks for having me. >> it is interesting. you look at the way civilian terrorism prosecutions have gone down and you look at the underwear bomber, the time square bomber and there may have been controversy over when they were administers their miranda rights. there's never been any indication that either of them shut up. they both kept singing long after that law and order script was read to them. this weeks events were another

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you ready. during the cold war when you thought about the earth, the globe, the two big functions that as bookends were us, the u.s. over here taking the up a

big chunk of north america between these two big countries, canada and mexico so us and them, the soviet union which broke up 1991. russia is still a big country. it wasn't just russia and the whole soviet union it was massive. it's control and sphere of influence spreading into east germa germany. even appreciating that the soviet union spanned 12 time zones west to east it's still easy to forget how far down it went. it had a big border with iran. two borders with iran on either side of the caspian sea. it went all the way into the middle east and europe and

scandinavia and china. it was human. that part just west of the caspian sea, that part of the world, if you stop thinking about countries and their boundaries and think of it as land, the land is marked by this beautiful seem in the earth. this big dramatic strait as an arrow mountains. we do not see that part of the world as a big part of something else, as a component of this super power. now that we don't see the world as the soviet union, we see it as georgia and ageria. if you think i'm mispronouncing things just wait.

even while the soviet union was strong it has a hard time dealing with those places that were supposed to be under it umbrella that didn't want to be. it's part of how stalin became an almost hyperbolic forcibly deported the entire population of chechnya. not the rebels, not the fighters but everyone in the country. he forced them out of their homeland where they lived for centuries and made them move to siberia. the whole country deported from their own country. tens of thousands of people died. they were not allowed to return

home for 13 years. by then it was the late 1950s. when the soviet union collapsed chechens tried to get their independence from russia. their first war for independence started in 1994. it ended two years later in a truce. three years after that truce chechen fighters started up again. the second war was horrific marked by the russians almost totally destroying their capital city. the attack on the moscow theater where they took 700 hostages. the russians gassed theater.

there were attacks on trains. we have now idea if undering chechnya any better will help us understand the boston bombings. the two brothers are of chechen ethnic origin. they have been here for decades since the dead one was a teenager and the younger one was in elementary school. they say the difference the motive, political motive. we do not know what the political motive might have been if there was one. when that second war kicked off

in 1991 it was chechen fighters crossing the border. the younger suspect that was still on the run was in first grade. the family fled and made their way to kyrgyzstan. they applied here as refugees o of war. the suspect's uncle who lives in maryland spoke about the way they came to the united states, where they came from and his rage. his almost unadulteratedd rage for them bringing shame upon the chechen people. >> what do you think provoked this? >> being losers, hatred to those who were able to settle themselves. these the only reasons i can imagine of.

anything else to do with religion, with islam that's fraud. it's fake. of course, we're ashamed. yes, we're ashamed. they're children of my brother. i respect this country. i love this country. this country which gives chance to everybody else to be treated as a human being and to just to be human being, to fill yourself human being. that's what i feel about this country. he put a shame -- he put a shame on our family, the tsarni family. he put a shame on the entire chechen ethnicity. they put that shame on the entire ethnicity. that's what i would say. turn yourself in.

>>st embarrassing to mispronounce those flanames in front of you. >> you did a great job. >> a lot of people are trying figure out if they're terrorists. do you think there will be a definnive answer with regard to their chechen heritage? >> i think it's relative to a degree. if we're looking for motivation for this particular act i think it's going to lie in the way they were radicalized in the united states, on the internet, visiting chat rooms. putting their own lives into a narrative about this anti-western jihadist that you find in the world.

>> evidence of a you tube page that may connect to the older brother. the younger brother there's very thin evidence of anything. >> on the elder brother, tamerlan's you tube channel there's an equal number of rap videos. i don't know why we tend to focus on this one particular aspect because they have a lot of consonants in their name but in lots of other context we go to other kind of motivation. we really ought to look at those. >> there's a history of terrorism being used as a military tactic. has there ever been an american target on a target outside of russian federation for chechen

separatist terrorists? >> no. there's been people killed outside of chechnya but they tend to be targets. >> they haven't globalized that fight before? >> no. it's worked in the opposite direction. that's to say the jihadist networks have tended to see chechnya as a branch of the glob global jihad. the fact of the matter is chechnya is probably the most peaceful and safe place in the entire north caucuses. since 2009 it's been under the control of a local war whether or not he had is the president

who has been given power by the russian federation to rule the place. these guys come from a very, very complicated heritage. as time goes on we'll be looking at other kinds of motivation that we'll look for in other instances of mass killings. >> it's relevant. we have no idea if that heritage connects to what they did. understanding it in the meep time can't hurt. >> right. author of the ghost of freedom, history of the caucuses which i have not read but now i know i have to. thank y we'll be right back. copd includes emphysema and chronic bronchitis. spiriva is a once-daily inhaled copd maintenance treatment that helps open my obstructed airways for a full 24 hours. you know, spiriva helps me breathe easier. spiriva handihaler tiotropium bromide inhalation powder does not replace fast-acting inhalers for sudden symptoms.

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one more thing the raise about the chechen angle. the question of whether that goes any distance towards explaining their motive for the bombing or if they might be connected to a larger terrorist enterprise if these are the guys. the check ambassador to the united states expresses his shock. he says the united states can count on the check repzech repu. he said i'm concerned note a most misunfortunate

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we think of boston first as being an irish kind of town. that is true to a certain extent. they don't call boston the 33rd county of ireland for nothing. boston also belongs almost as famously to the italians. boston for tourists look like this. boston has a couple of caribbean neighborhoods with enough people to host a big awesome caribbean carnival every summer. something like the east neighborhood speaks spanish. there's a new chinatown growing south of the city. same with a good concentration of brazilians. they have lived in the

allston-brightton neighborhood. another boston suburb, the city of watertown has the third largest community of ethnic armenians in the whole country. there are not many chechens thought to live in the united states. those who are here live in boston. it's not all that weird that two guys from a chechen family would live in greater boston because everybody lives in greater boston, all sorts of people. you find people there from everywhere. that's just as true as many of our suburbs. it's not usual to be an irish-american living next door to an indian-american anywhere in the country.

the effect of what happened today in boston is anything but local. fearly a million people in the overall metropolitan region woke up with orders from the government delivered by phone or media or signs on the road that said shelter in place. that means don't go anywhere. no work, no school, no trains, no taxis, no going anywhere. hundreds of law enforcement officers descended searching house for house. authorities warned people to stay vigilant. shelter in place is the kind of order that we associate with bad weather and disasters. in november a train carrying hydro general fluoride jumped the track. they told everybody in a five

mile radius to shelter in place. when that blizzard swallowed new england in february this year the governor ordered statewide bans on driving. technically you did not have to shelter in place but for 24 hours could not drive anywhere. it's the first time we'd seen a ban like that in massachusetts since the great blizzard of 1978. what happened in boston today has really no precedent in our country. shelter in place orders affecting this many people in this big an american city for this long, freezing a big city like this, emptying it out. it's so weird that dwe do not know how to measure the consequences. afterall this emptiness and have boston looking like a zombie movie when authorities lifted this order in place, somebody in

watertown went outside his house which he was suddenly free to do. when david henneberry sheltering in place he went outside and discovered the suspect in his boat. police moved in and cornered the suspect. somehow even after multiple rounds of gunfire echoed through the street they captured him alive. when everybody got word the relief and celebration on the streets was palpable. this was no normal day in any american neighborhood. charlie pierce group up in mass. thanks for joining us today. thanks for staying up so late. >> terrific. >> how do you think boston makes sense? does this change boston or does this become another great story that bostonians tell each other

that people won't believe. >> it will certainly become that because everybody does. what happened on thursday night blew up the conventional narrative of the way we do these things. we have the event and the mourning and the healing at the interfaith service and we go on and wait for event. we had a interfaith service and we had a gun battle in the middle of a residential neighborhood. for a good couple of hours things were pretty mad. i think the one thing that you pointed out is people because bostonian. d dorchester is a completely different place.

there are cambodians. people just want to come to be bruins fans. no. i think this will become local legend. it will take a little time because of the gravity of the nature of what happened, no so much the bombing but what happened last night. >> i'm struck by how important the public was to the law enforcement response. in some very direct ways we've all read that incredible bloomberg news piece about the young man who had both of his legs blown off, woke up and asked for a pen and paper and bag, i saw him. he looked right at me thus indicating he knew who the suspect was and could help them identify them. we know the man of the story on his watertown triple decker and looking into his boat and identifying that suspect which got this guy in custody. we know the fbi had more faith in the public than anything else

in releasing the photos saying give us anything. the relationship between law enforcement and the people, is that a typical boston relationship between bostonians and law enforcement? >> i think to an extent. i think most cities would react this way. i want to give tremendous credit to boston police and deval patrick. davis just stepped on the story about the saudi kid in the hospital being a suspect. absolutely from the jump. both of them. the one thing i really like about this given our history

over the last couple of decade, this was a police transaction. they left the water board in the clo closet. this was shoe leather detectives and relying on the public. >> you can see the public appreciation. we're showing footage from fenway in terms of the way people are celebrating. not just with relief but saying thank you. we're so looking forward to reading what you write about this. thank you for being out there. >> thank you. >> appreciate it. we'll be right back. ♪ i don't wanna be right [ record scratch ] what?! it's not bad for you. it just tastes that way. [ female announcer ] honey nut cheerios cereal -- heart-healthy, whole grain oats. you can't go wrong loving it.

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