due to mature subject matter, viewer discretion is advised. >> the whole boss seen that. >> a inmate with a reputation for trouble takes on a no nonsense warden. >> i run this jail. >> it's rare you see an older person come into a facility. when she first came into my area, she looked like she was a grandmother figure. >> a 71-year-old woman convicted

for an investment scheme that left nearly 800 victims in its wake. >> in my eyes they were not victims. but they were lenders to me. >> identical twins segregated in different housing units find they can't live with or without each other. >> it hurts. i'm almost in tears talking about it because we really are very, very close. very close and -- cleveland, ohio, a city that has seen its ups and downs but like all big cities crime is an issue in good times and bad. if you're arrested in cleveland, you could spend anywhere from a few hours to several years

inside the cuyahoga county correction center. most of the 2200 men and women incarcerated here have only been charged with crimes and are awaiting trial and resolution of their cases. some say the jail is a city unto itself but its directser would disagree. >> i don't think this is a little city. i don't think there's a city like this in the real world. only because we have a large volume of very difficult people. >> everyone else put your hands up on your head. >> people with a lot of troubles and a lot of needs. >> according to correctional staff, charles evans fits that description. >> i'm charles now but they used to call me allen. i've been coming here since 1994. i used to be a big time drug dealer and this and that.

everybody in this building know who i am. >> he is serving a six-month sentence for theft. during his stay, he's managed to make matters a whole lot worse. >> this is all his disciplinary installation we've gone through. since he's been here not even a year yet. >> been involved in 13 altercations that landed him in segregation for more than 90 days. >> charles evans is very unpredictable. he's disruptive. he's in lockup, he's out of lockup. you're dealing with him constant. one day he's acting out and then apologizing and then acting out again. up and down. >> put chains on a man and do what you want to do with him, a man is going to react. >> two months earlier during a fight with another inmate, evans put one of the jail's special response team members on the sidelines. >> evans was on top of another inmate during an altercation with a broom stick around his neck.

corporal ordered both inmates to stop and they refused to do so. at this point corporal brewer deployed -- >> got sprayed and they handcuffed me and put me on wall. >> then start stating, i told you i was going to get one of them [ bleep ]. i told mr. evans calm down, it's over. >> i turned around and told him shut the [ bleep ] stop talking to me. >> came off the wall with his left shoulder, shouldered me. >> he's grabbing me from behind and snatched me down. i fell and he fell. >> i landed up on my wrist and at that time the sergeants came in to export me to the hospital. later found out it was broken. >> officer may's future would include several weeks of desk duty. evans was immediately placed in security segregation. a short time later complained of a sore shoulder. when he was he is corpsed to medical he was upset he was blamed for the fight with the

other inmates. >> why is the other person not that i was fighting? he did. the whole pod seen it. >> i got there you had the broom around his neck. >> i didn't have a broom around his neck. he fell on it. you trying to prove, man. he grabbed the broom from me. the whole pod seen that. i can't wait to go in front of them mcintyre with this one. >> evans is not laughing for long. he'll be released from jail in eight days. his stay was extended, you must remain until the new charge is resolved in court. evans pled not guilty but if convicted, he could be sentenced to eight years in prison. mckinney and his identical twin brother herbert mckinney don't get into much trouble in jail

but present a different security issue. >> it does create a security problem for us because it will be difficult to identify who they are, they could be switching off and even could get to the point of one of them wants to get released and they can switch identities and things like that. >> someone might get the wrong impression. >> switching identities to fool law enforcement is in the mckinney brothers play dsz book as perry explains. >> he got a dui and used my name. he was on probation, so i took it. so i ended up taking the dui for him. the first dui i got, i didn't really get. >> like, what's your name, my name is perry mckinney. and it's funny because they took pictures of my tattoo and it says herbie on it right there and i signed the paper and started to sign it herbie and messed up and put perry.

>> funny because he went to court three weeks later for it. >> my brother was like, honestly judge, i don't remember any of this. i i can't believe i'm even here. >> not long after, perry found himself in trouble with police and decided it was time for pay back. >> i was pretty intoxicated and i used my brother's name and social security which worked as well. i got him back. i got pulled over on our birthday. so i got him good. happy birthday. >> the brothers can laugh over their exploits with drugs and alcohol, they are also aware of the costs. between them, they have had dozens of arrests and jail stays and each has done time in prison. and perry, who is currently charged with felonious assault to which he has pled not guilty has lost more than time. >> with my drinking and everything and drug use, i've

lost my children, lost my life. i've lost my wife. i am that weak and my love for my children is amazing. but obviously i didn't love them enough to stop and that's what's sickening about it. >> herbie's addictions have also caused problems at home. he has pled not guilty to a charge of domestic violence against one of mothers of his two daughters. he says he did not physically harm her but got high after a argument and did other damage. >> poured every liquid we had on the bed and smashed the tv, what else -- she loves coffee so i broke the coffee pot. it was the first thing she wanted to do was get home and have coffee. had i to ruin that for her. both brothers say their bond is unbreakable but addictions feeds off each other. >> when one of us is having a bad day, we'll call each other to lean on. instead of leaning on, either

i'm already using or he's already using and we have never been sober at the same damned time. we both need to be sober and be willing to change our lives for the better. if not, as hard as it is, we have to be apart. >> coming up -- >> i'm here because you toll told me -- >> that goes where? who makes that decision? >> charles evans and the ward try to work out their differences. and a 71-year-old woman is convicted of a $60 million crime. >> what i did was not a ponzi scheme. bernie madoff was a ponzi scheme. ♪ the trucks are going farther. the 2013 ram 1500 with best-in-class fuel economy. engineered to move heaven and earth.

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cleveland, the cuyahoga county correction center houses 2200 men and women that present a wide range of security issues. some like charles evans. >> the broom was on the floor. he fell on it. >> present more issues than most. >> person of interest i want to talk a little bit about, who's a familiar name to all of us, mr. charles evans. mr. evans was placed in lockup and did extensive lockup time for assault on officer may. he was released from lockup and went down to general population. a couple of days ago he got involved in a verbal altercation with an inmate that led to verbal confrontation with staff. he was placed down in lockup. he's saying once again he's in fear for his life. >> been all through this once before with him and place him in pc. we have acquiesced to every request he's tried to make and place him all throughout this facility. he's been a problem since late

rally the day he came in. we'll do what we we can do but he'll be a real pain until he gets out of there. >> the next day warden ivey discusses an incident that landed him in segregation. >> standing right next to him. working out at the same time, tells the lockup, corporal keys don't belong on this floor. >> corporal keys is a supervisor, he can be on any floor in this jail. >> yes, sir. >> i'm in lockup and same man arguing with me still on the pod. >> how do you know that? >> word of mouth. >> you been down there? >> no. >> you talk to somebody down there? >> he's still there, sir. >> i'm not going to debate that with you. i'm not going to check it. decision was made by a sergeant about the incident. >> the staff -- every day i'm

having problems -- you know what i'm going through. i've got three to four -- >> why are you still in the jail? >> come up with a fake and felonious assault against an officer. i'm in handcuffs you tell me -- >> how does that work? who makes that decision? >> i don't have no type of rights in here. >> i wrote you a letter telling you don't put me back in population and you put me back in population. >> i told you i feared for my life. >> you don't dictate because that's my choice to make. >> my life in your choice -- you're just a warden. my life is more important -- >> let me ask you this. >> are we going to talk or am i going to be done? >> can you get me -- >> i'm going to keep you here in this room. if you're in fear for your life -- >> i got you. >> i fear for my life. >> i understand you're in fear for your life. >> can you please do something now?

>> when i think it's appropriate. >> who gives you the right. you're not a doctor. you're a warden. >> i run this jail -- if something physically -- >> i fear for my life. told me to make sure i'm okay. >> you're going to be okay locked behind bed doors. have a good day. >> this time he's claiming he's fearing for his life. this is something he brings up each time he goes into isolation, kind of wanting to dictate his placement which i won't allow him to dictate that. >> have a seat. >> i'll make that decision and take into consideration what's going on and make the final decision what's going to happen with this placement. >> there are 70 different housing units inside the cuyahoga county correction center. 59 are dedicated to male inmates. 11 are for the jail's population of 265 female inmates. >> the charges i see most often with females, they are related to drugs, forgery or bad checks

or theft, a lot of shoplifting. i think the average inmate age is between 20 and 25. >> that's what makes joanne schneider at age 71 with no prior record anything but the typical inmate. >> it's a sound you don't forget, the steel doors slamming shut. this is my home. >> it's very rare you see an older person come into a facility. she looks like your average mom out there. that's when she first came into my area, she looked like she was a grandmother figure. >> my bed is concrete. and we have a mattress on here. but the mattress is approximately this thick. when you lay your body weight on it it compresses down -- i call it an exercise mat. but this concrete never gives.

most people look at me as being old and vulnerable, like i'll get one over on her because she's an old lady. but i tell them, don't let this gray hair fool you. but i'm kind to everybody and most people don't understand that here. they come here, they are used to being in a crack house or living in a box under a bridge somewhere and they don't understand the kindness i give them. >> but many of schneider's 780 victims believe she dished out anything about kindness to them. >> i want you on wall, put your hands on the wall, please. make sure you don't have anything on you. >> schneider was convicted of

securities fraud. authorities say she ran a pon zi exam that ran money from close friends and family. >> what i did was not a ponzi scheme. bernie madoff took people's money and spent it on himself. i invested all of it in real estate. >> schneider's real estate plan involved developing a entertainment center in a cleveland suburb. it was never built and only 10.5 million was ever recovered. >> they in my eyes were not victims. but they were lenders to me. i borrowed money from them. they may call themselves victims but i made them a lot of money. and they know that. i lived a very good lifestyle and i'm not ashamed to say it. i went on to create 15 corporations.

i had apartment buildings, office buildings and restaurants, everything you could imagine you would want to have in your portfolio. >> schneidnooichneider choose t guilty rather than face a longer sentence if convicted at trial. >> i'm 71, with the possibility of getting 30 years or more, why would i do that? why would i do that? >> schneider received a three-year sentence and sent to state prison. she was returned to cuyahoga county when prosecutors in a rare circumstance successfully appealed the sentence for being too light. they were asking for ten years. the judge resentenced her to nine. she is awaiting transfer back to prison. >> it's unbelievable to me. i don't think i'll ever get over this because i know i'm innocent. i can face anybody and say that. >> coming up -- >> an inmate with a court order

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♪ most inmates inside cleveland's cuyahoga correction center have a right to make calls from the phone located in the day room of each housing unit. >> they have to make them in three different separate ways, one can be a collect call. second would be if they had a pre-paid phone call which they can buy or if the family gets up a pre-paid account. >> for melvin, currently housed in the jail segregation, phone calls are restricted due to a court order. >> you understand that, right? >> yeah. >> he is only allowed to call his attorney. all inmate calls are reported,

his calls must also be made in the presence of staff to make sure he's only talking to his attorney. >> we've been dealing with him for a few months now. he's a known trouble maker. >> he was arrested on stalking and violating a protection order filed by the mother of his 2-year-old son. he has pled guilty. he's in segregation having placed two more calls to his alleged victim. now it appears he found a new way of getting around a calling restrictions by getting another segregation inmate to make the calls. >> evans is calling a woman for sostri and telling her to call sos tri's mother and telling her don't come visit because he's still in lockup. >> investigators have determined that evans placed call to sos tri's aunt using a pre-paid

card. >> i have a pre-paid card from -- >> charles. he would give the aunt messages to share with other friends and messages. >> i'm calling for melvin. he said call his mother and tell her not to visit, he in the hole. >> the whole conversation was 14 minutes and 19 seconds, she's doing three ways for him. >> he asked the aunt to use the three-way calling to contact evans friends or family for him. >> can you dial a number for me and click over for a three way. >> as a result, evans gets a free phone call which comes in handy because he has no money to pay for calls. >> charles evans has a negative balance of $31.60. he doesn't have money on his books. >> now, both inmates face disciplinary action. >> it doesn't bother me, what are they going to give me. i didn't make the phone call. i didn't call my victim.

>> is that how you make your calls? >> if i'm indij ent and i can't get through to help my family and they help me out, yes, ma'am. it is how i get on the phone. >> it was a favor for a favor. he did me a favor but at the same time, i did him a favor. >> wrong is wrong, right is right. i was wrong. but i was wrong for a right cause. >> knowing charles evans and how he does things, he's a creature of his own demise and always comes down to every time i see him he's sitting there with a bible, i'm reading my bible, every single time. he's going to look at time in lockup for the situation dwen depending on what the warden recommends. coming up -- >> i like to go around shoplifting and that was one of the only flaws i had left in me. >> charles evans admits to his

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the boston marathon bombing subject is said to be in serious but stable condition and unable to communicate. dzhokhar tsarnaev could be charged tomorrow. he's as the same hospital as several of the alleged victims. everyone is accounted for in west texas after an explosion at the fertilizer plant. some residents are still not allowed back home. back to "lockup." due to mature subject matter, viewer discretion is advised. at the cuyahoga county correction center in cleveland,

there's nobody to clean the housing units but the inmates themselves and that suits herbie mckinney just fine. >> it's a daily routine. i clean the sinks three times a day just to keep the sickness down. a lot of these dudes come in from the streets and a lot are coming from her o win too. they call me mr. clean that's because all i do, clean, clean, clean. can't stand a dirty place. we all live here. you got people pissing [ bleep ] on the floor. we do announcementis to tell them, whoever is pissing on the floor, stop it. herbie is honing entrepreneurial skills. >> if guys need something like they run out during the week or come in and don't have nothing. first i have to ask him, what are they here for.

if they are here on a merchandise charge they could be gone the next day. there goes my money out the door. >> thanks, lonnie. >> when commissary comes, they give me three, i give them one back. that's how i make money to help my brother and help me. he's compensated with an extra serving or today which supply herb's deli. >> i sold mine for a shebang. >> how many you want? >> two. >> i'll take mine and sell it for $2. that way i can take the $2 and flip it to $4 and make more money. i sell hamburgers and cheese burgers, i do it all. recently i got into telecommunications. i'll tell two calls for three

calls back so i get an extra phone call. anything i can do to make a buck. >> you have to find a hustle when you're in here. you got to. >> herbie has no hustle that will make it possible to see his identical twin brother perry, who is kept in a separate housing unit. >> they won't put us together because it's a security risk. it gets frustrating because i'd like to see him and sit down and talk to him and see what's going on. i love him, that's the love of my life, you know what i mean? >> perry mckinney misses herbie as well. even in jail the haircut can stir up memories of growing up in twinsburg, ohio, home of the annual twins day festival. >> it brings you back to the streets aological bit when you can go to the barber. that's one thing we always do, get our hair cut together. it's funny, sometimes we go to the same barber and he'll tell me this hot chick is over here. go there and mess with her. so i'll go there and didn't i

just cut your hair? >> it was your brother. >> it was my twin brother. >> the brothers have shared plenty of laughs, they also share drug and alcohol addictions that put them in jail dozens of times. perry is currently charged with felonious assault. a fight in which he didn't fare so well himself. >> got my throat slit here, 12 stitches there and 12 to 14 right here, gouge taken out here and my arm was slit as well. bar fight gone bad for both of us. no one died, that's the best part. >> every time i'm in prison or jail it's because of alcohol. i still want to drink a beer. i have dreams of me making beer, brewing it myself. isn't that crazy? >> homer simpson thing going on. >> i grew up perfect, that's why it's sad to see me in a situation like this.

disappointing sometimes, get upset thinking about what you've done to your family. >> takes a big reality check, big punch in the face. this should have warned me right there, all of these marks. i could have been dead and i still went out from the hospital and drank that day. and i continue to drink every day afterwards. it's like god was showing me, and i just never -- it was ringing and i never picked up the phone. >> well, see, i was sleeping and we were wombmates, i was sleeping and the door opened and he took off running so -- he came out at 14 minutes later i was there. we follow each other everywhere we go. >> it's really weird, our bond. it's like when he hurts, i hurt. it hurts. i'm almost in tears talking about it because we really are

very, very close. and you know, i'd rather be on the outside with him. i don't want to be in jail with him. i can't even -- i can't see him or talk on the phone or -- it sucks bad. we did this, not anywhere else, we can't blame anybody else. i don't know. it's something about us, it's just addiction. >> as a former drug dealer, charles evans was once on the other side of the addiction equation but some might argue he's addicted to trouble. he's rently been charged with assaulting an officer and jail officials say he's been making phone calls for melvin sostre who has a court order prohibiting him from calling anyone about his attorney. >> how are you doing? we were contacted by the detective bureau and mr. sos tre is on restriction. we have on recording you placed a call for him. so let me know why you placed this call for him?

>> first, i didn't know he was on phone restriction and trying to get a contact for my mother. my mother got lupus. >> here's the problem. he's on a court order for a judge so you understand, you violated his court order. you're looking at 15 days in lockup. >> what if i didn't know, had no understanding of that, just getting through to my family. >> i have the recording. >> i was talking to my mother. >> but you placed a call -- hold on. i need you to understand -- >> i'm asking you to understand. >> i do understand you want to talk to your mother. >> to know anything -- it was my mother, man. >> i understand but the point is you violated a direct order of the court and procedures also. >> i have consideration for that was my mother. >> like i told you, that's all i'm saying sir. >> okay, thanks. >> he always has an agenda for something he wants or needs. every single lockup he's had i dealt with. i kind of -- don't want to say

build rappaport but i understand what he's looking for. coming up -- >> i'm doing okay. >> joanne schneider gets a visit from the man who is both her husband and her co-defendant. >> i had a couple of hours to decide if i wanted to take a plea, which i didn't, i didn't want to trust my life to 12 people who couldn't figure out how to get out of jury duty. >> and the mckinney brothers are allowed one brief visit. >> how are you doing? ♪ [ slap! ] [ male announcer ] your favorite foods fighting you? fight back fast with tums. calcium-rich tums starts working so fast you'll forget you had heartburn. ♪ tum tum tum tum tums

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and out of cleveland's coulduya count correction center for 15 years. he felt his life was on track. >> my life is rough. i've been on the streets all my life and got my life together in the last three and a half, four years now. i still have minor faults. i like to go around shoplifting, theft, i was boosting as they call it. i was boosting. and that was my one and only flaws i still had in me. >> he was particular about what he stole. >> glasses. >> why? >> sell them for 80, the designer ones -- gucci. >> you know all the names -- >> i've been in the business for two or three years. but i gave it up. we live and learn. i'm quite sure i ain't the first one to make mistakes. >> evans was recently given another 15 days in segregation for his part in the three-way

calling scheme with melvin sostre, banned from court order from calling anyone other than his lawyer. now investigators have determined that evans had been placing call for other inmates as well. >> i ran charles evans s.o. numbers on the phone calls, he has 11 phone calls other than mr. sostre's, i'll run the numbers if possibly he called for other inmates in lockup and then did a three-way for himself. >> evans, currently in segregation for arguing with another inmate still has a right to make phone calls. many other inmates have more serious violations. >> i have a pre-paid call from -- >> charles. >> as soon as new people come into lockup, hitting them up for phone call. i can place a phone call for you

if you let me make a three-way off your call. he had placed five to six different inmates besides sostre. i'm going to explain what the situation is. >> what happened now? >> okay. >> you have another aopi on lockup. hope we don't keep going through this. we know you're making calls for s sostre and other calls for other inmates. you have placed 17 calls from the unit under your name through other inmates, you place three ways to your families to. they don't have privileges to make any phone calls or have you relate any messages for the inmates. placing you in violation of phone restrictions on the jail. >> you don't have to keep going through this. >> i'm trying to tell you.

>> you're looking at lockup time. >> are you admitting to doing this? >> yeah. >> i'm letting you know here's the situation you're coming into. the recommendation was made by sergeant daniels to place you on phone restrictions, okay? >> okay. >> any questions? >> no. >> okay. please don't come back and waste my time no more. i don't give a [ bleep ] what you do. >> joanne schneider will soon transfer to prison to serve the remaining six and a half years of a nine-year sentence. she recently received for considerably larger hustle. authorities say she ran a ponzi scheme that ripped off

investorses out of $6 million. she said she was trying to open a business that could have been a boom with cleveland. >> i'm in love with the city and we're in such lovely renaissance right now. it's just -- it's wonderful. this is my home. >> ironically, schneider has an excellent view of the city's football stadium and lake front from a narrow cell window. but it's a far cry from the life she led with her husband of 49 years, allen schneider. >> he puts money on my books here for the phone. i can call him every day to keep my sanity. and he comes to visit me twice a week. >> booth two. >> thank you. >> no problem. >> i know she's innocent. she knows she's innocent. god knows she's innocent and those are the only three people that matter. >> allen schneider was also implicated on the security and theft charges that sent his wife

to prison. prosecutors say he played a lesser role. after reaching a plea deal he received five years probation. >> i had like a couple of hours to decide if he wanted to take a plea, which i did for the specific reason of i didn't want to trust my life to 12 people who couldn't figure out how to get out of jury duty. >> he's never served time in jail, schneider has spent plenty of time here visiting his wife. >> i visit with joanne twice a week. the advice its are 20 minutes to a half hour. the thing i don't like about it here, it's all via telephone through glass. >> how are you doing? >> i'm doing okay. >> you look like you're getting around a little better. >> yeah. >> your hair looks good. >> you too. i wish i was home to help you. >> i wish you were home to help me period, home period, not only to help me -- >> hopefully -- >> i eat better when you're at home than cold cuts and hot dogs.

>> i worry about that. >> well, don't worry about me. i'll be just fine. take care of yourself -- >> with her transfer to prison imminent, schneider still does not know how far away she will go. she fears she will be sent to the same prison in which she served time prior to her sentencing, the ohio reformatory for women, 150 miles from cleveland. >> marysville, if you want my honest opinion is the armpit of hell. >> as you well know, there's no guarantees with this judicial system. if you wind up in marysville, we'll deal with that when the time comes. it's a long trek from here to marysville to see you. come back home sooner or later. >> any can't keep me forever. >> your time is up. >> thank you. >> we'll have to say good-bye. >> we have to say good-bye. i love you. >> i love you too.

>> i don't know exactly when i'll see him next. tomorrow is friday. it's the day they usually ride the women out of here to go to marysville, ohio. i pray i don't go there. >> coming up -- >> i love you. god, you look great. >> the mckinney brothers are reunited, but not for long. >> and, you know some big time people and they still won't stop. make sure you use the restroom. step out. >> joe ann schneider makes an unceramonious exit from jail. [ male announcer ] when you take shortcuts,

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identical twins perry and herbie mckinney are the first to acknowledge when they are in each other's presence on outside, their drug and alcohol addictions escalate.

still, being separated inside the cuyahoga correction center has been painful. >> it's one of the worst feelings in the world too because him eni are so close. it would make life easier for everybody, especially me. i love my brother. >> it's a bond that can't be broken, you know? just total love. >> perry has just reached a plea deal that will soon send him to prison. by entering a guilty plea his felonious assault charge was reduced to aggravated assault and sentenced to one year in prison. knowing he will soon transfer out, jail officials granted a brief visit with herbie. >> about time. >> what's up? how are you doing? >> how are you doing?

>> you look good. i thought you were skinny. muscles though. >> [ bleep ]. >> yeah, only muscle is new your mouth. >> you look good though. >> thank you. i love you. >> you too. >> you look great. >> it's great. despite their love for each other, the brothers know their relationship poses dangers to them both. >> we destroy each other. >> we can build each other up but then -- it breaks down. >> it's definitely hot and cold. once we go down, we both go down together. >> then we go with a fight. >> we [ bleep ] up. >> and do whatever we can and all lengths. >> robbing, stealing. >> i'm surprised no one has been killed yet, which is i'm glad that actually --

>> our actions could lead to somebody's death. driving drunk could have easily killed somebody. i drive drunk continuously. >> me too. i tell the one guy, if i'm going just a mile down the street, i got to take a beer with me. >> that's exactly me. >> not no more but he's the one -- >> can you stay sober together? >> i know -- i think if we did the steps and went to a rehab together, say rehab away from like mom, my kids, everybody, just away, him and i secluded in one little place to where we could focus on us and everything. >> we could work it out together. >> it would be sweet. >> perry will leave for prison any day to begin his one year sentence and herbie may soon follow to serve time himself. >> i'll see you when i see you. >> love you. >> love you too.

>> for security reasons inmates never know what day they will transfer nor what prison they will be sent to until the morning they leave. and now joanne schneider has just gotten the wake-up call she's been dreading. she's heading back to the ohio reformatory for women in marysville, 150 miles from her home and husband. >> my heart is broken. if you look at this garbage bag, that's my whole life in that garbage bag. it's part of that -- part of stripping you of who you are. >> ladies. is it sloppy in there? >> schneider, who must now serve the remaining six years of her nine-year sentence is allowed one possession most other inmates can leave behind. >> most of the females have to have no underwear, in her case

because she's so much older, i let her keep her items. they can get it from her when she goes to marysville. >> use the restroom, no matter who you are or think you are or who you know or think you know, i know some of you know big time people. they don't stop for the restroom. pad up if you need to. all the way to the back. >> can you leave them on a little loose for me? >> stay on the sidewalk until you go around and go through. >> all 13 of you are getting in this van, it's going to be crowded. the four skinniest will be in the back row. one, two, three -- four. step all the way in the back. all four of you need to be in

the back row. >> i have a policeman friend that took me out for dinner before i went to prison. the first time in sitting across the table, i said, jimmy, what do i do? how do i handle this? and he told me you take it like a man, joanne. you take it like a man. and i did and i have done that ever since. >> ladies, take care. god bless. see you. >> bye.