president has only been in office for five months and he's making it clear that he would like to press reset on the u.s./mexico relationship. shifting photo cuss away from the intimate role the u.s. has played in mexico's drug war, a battle that's killed 70,000 people since 2007 and moving it towards the economic health of the two countries. president obama made it clear this the least publicly, the narco wars will be taking a back seat to trade. >> a lot of the focus is going to be on economics, we've spent so much time on security issues that between the united states and mexico, that sometimes i think we forget this is a massive trading partner responsible for huge amounts of commerce and huge numbers of jobs on both sides of the border. >> when it comes to the question of commerce, there is a lot at stake. mexico is the united states' third largest trading partner. in 2011, trade across the border

totalled $500 billion. mexico is our second largest source of oil and in 2012, mexico's economy grew at a robust 3.9%. the "financial times" dubbed the country dubbed the country an aztec tiger. but president obama also has domestic ambitions for the trip. to highlight the immigration reform bill on capitol hill and to sell it back home with mexico first and foremost, they're critical to our ability to secure the border, said ben rhodes, an deputy obama national security adviser. all the immigration plans that have been contemplated put a focus on securing the border as a starting point for immigration reform. with 651 miles of border fencing, 21,394 agents, 300 towers and ten drones at the border. a net migration from mexico standing at zero, you would think we couldn't get any safer. but border security is likely to be the key sticking point in america's immigration debate.

concerns over the prospects of the reform bill are serious enough that the key republican in the debate, marco rubio, called the current bill a losing proposition in the lower chamber. >> the bill that's in place right now probably can't pass the house. it will have to adjusted. because people are very suspicious. about the willingness 69 government to enforce the laws now. >> given that, what might be most clear about the trip that lies in front of president obama is that his real audience is actually behind him. joining me today, chairman of "slate" group, jacob wiseberg, arm carmen. senior fellow, shannon o'neill and executive editor of msnbc.com and an msnbc political analyst, par excellence, richard wolffe. thank you for joining us. shannon, i want to go to you first. it seems there are two different goals here, possibly at loggerheads with one another. the president says he doesn't

want to talk about border security and the drug war, they want to focus on the u.s. mexico economic relationship. to assuage the concerns of those back at home, border security will be something he needs to pay attention to or at least highlight. >> we'll see both of these issues on the agenda. in the public side it will be a lot about economics. it will be about how can we deepen this trade, this half trillion dollars worth of goods that are companies, workers on both sides depend on. that will be a focus of a lot of discussion. particularly behind the scenes, there will be a lot of focus on security. the violence issue in mexico is still very high. the worry if mexico does poorly, it will affect the united states. that will be there. >> how is penieta different from calderon. >> mexico curbs on u.s. role and drug fight spark friction. but the notion is that penieto

is more of a reformer/progressive when it comes to arming enforcement officers and making this a war in the streets and he's focused more on securing communities. can you give us a sense of contrast between the two, the former leader and the current one? >> you saw under the last one a real deepening of u.s./mexico ties, and calderon putting people in the streets to try to take on drug traffickers. peniento has talked much more about reducing violence. that being the focus. what that means on the streets is not all that different. it's still means things like having the military there to secure particular areas of the country. since there aren't police forces yet to take over. cleaning up the cops, cleaning up the courts, providing communities for youth at risk. it will be a reprioritization basically. >> i wonder, jake, if we -- you know we talk about border security and we have these drones flying on the border and we have our agents and net

migration is zero. it seems to be a relatively safe place. the issue of the war on drugs, however, it seems, the jury seems to be out as far as where is the american public is on its efficacy. we've spent i think $51 billion a year on the war on drugs and a lot of people would argue we're not waging that war very effectively. >> there aren't a lot of big believers in the war on drugs. there are a lot of people who believe that the alternatives are worst in most cases. when it comes to mexico, you see the tremendous damage. let's not be so quick to say mexico has turned a corner on this. whole parts of the country are controlled by drug lords, there's tremendous corruption in the police forces in the state governments. and you know, i'm not convinced mexico has turned this corner. the way say columbia did, from get getting out from under the intimidation by the drug lords, to be honest, i'm not sure that it does depend on american actions. at least on any actions that we're plausibly going to take in the near future.

>> i'm sure there's a lot of argument from the south. there is a lot of argument from the south that it's the american appetite for drugs that fuels the drug war, richard to the notion of kind of hypocritical or complicated situations, the border security piece is something that americans are rallying around, vis-a-vis the immigration reform bill. we know that the u.s. spent nearly $18 billion in immigration enforcement agencies in the last fiscal year. which is more than all of our other law enforcement agencies combined. $3 billion of that $18 billion is spent on patrolling the border and yet this seems to be the sticking point for republicans in terms of the passage of immigration reform. we have to make it even safer. >> the policy on drugs and immigration is not exactly coherent. it's our demand that mexico enforces our laws. the reason people are dying is because mexico is an ally in enforcing american drug laws. the war something fought on the south is side of the border,

that's why you're seeing these giant casualties. the same is true of the immigration side. we could militarize the entire border and there are these things called planes that fly over the borders and people that have seesas and overstay their welcome and that's a vast amount of the quote-unquote undocumented immigrants that come in legally and this is part of the debate about the boston bombers, too. so congress, i understand the border states, is a particular issue where you're talking about large influx of people historically that have overwhelmed certain communities. and there is the spector of violence, the spector of drugs or the spector of these hordes traveling through the desert. they're great politics, but they skew the political debate massively and lead to these giant contradictions, i don't know what they're going to say in public. i imagine there's going to be a lot of people talking to the domestic audience. the stuff behind the scenes will be the interesting thing. mexico wants to pull back from

the violence they're seeing. and what is president obama going to say -- you need to militarize your side of the border so i can deal with the border state politics? >> i would actually love to know what mexicans and the mexican audience thinks of the u.s. immigration reform. half of the immigrants to the united states come from mexico. so there's a stake for mexicans in immigration reform. the way that it's being discussed in the actual reform measures, what is the temperature as far as mexicans liking this, the mexican government being supportive of these efforts? and to what degree will the mexican president work hand in hand with president obama to help him on these border issues? >> this is an important issue for the mexicans, they don't want to enter into our domestic politics. one thing that they feel, we've seen huge resources poured into border security. huge increases in border patrol. but if you want to secure the border, if you would change the incentives for mexicans to come here legally rather than illegally.

today, if you have a close relative in the united states you wait years, maybe even over a decade to come here if you don't have a close relative in the united states, there's no line to get into to come here legally. if you change those incentives, find a path in a reasonable amount of time that would increase border security as well. >> you can't change the reality, which is that we have a cross-border labor market. this has existed for 100 years, when the economy is good here, people come this way. when fruits and vegetables need to be picked, they come across the border. when there's no work, they go back. it's amazing the extent to which a fence will not prevent that. >> isn't there tremendous support in mexico for a guest worker program? maybe people aren't necessarily looking to make their lives in the united states, they're just trying to find economic sustainability. >> and there's part of the visa that would be part of the reform bill, that would be part of the h 2 b visa. but the notion that there's some provision there for guest workers, which has been

applauded also by labor unions in the united states. which is a big deal. >> one thing we've seen this time around compared to the last time when immigration reform failed is business and labor have come to the table and come to a compromise greem. so that does auger better chance than the last time around. >> we shall see, the mexico piece and the costa rica piece following president obama's great latin tour of 2013. shannon o'neill, your book is "two nations indivisible, mexico, the united states and the road ahead." thank you for your wisdom and insights. after the break, we look at the cryptic texts, the mysterious laptop and the possible sentences in the boston bombing investigation. everybody has different investment objectives, ideas, goals, appetite for risk. you can't say 'one size fits all'. it doesn't. that's crazy.

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federal law enforcement officials believe the three men arrested in connection with the boston marathon bombing knew their friend, dzhokhar tsarnaev, played a role in the attack. but instead of telling police, they tried to cover it up. two of the men in custody, azmat and dias can be seen with dzhokhar in this photo taken last year in times square. they're both from kazakhstan and met dzhokhar while studying at umass dartmouth, the third man is an american citizen who attended umass dartmouth. all three are 19 years old. accord together fbi, the three suspects went to dzhokhar's darm room thursday night. karabayev texted dzhokhar saying he looked like the suspect on television. and dzhokhar responded saying

l.o.l. you better not text me and then come to my room and take whatever you want. when the three met at the dorm room, they found a back pack of fireworks that had been emptied of gunpowder, at that point, karabayev told police he knew his friend was involved in the marathon bombing. this is where their crime began. instead of aleg fbi, the three removed the back pack and helped dzhokhar to avoid trouble. later that night police say the two kazakh men decided to throw away the back pack with the fireworks, their lawyers said the teenagers did not know the items had any connection with the bombing or that their actions would interfere with the investigation. one suspect could face eight years behind bars as well as a quarter million dollar fine as well as a penalty for lying to investigators. and in boston, nbc news

investigative correspondent, michael isikoff. i want to ask about this, the text exchange that happened between dzhokhar and his friends. and specifically the line -- come to my room and take whatever you want. which these three suspects are alleging was not a call to abet in this crime. but was perhaps simply a friend just -- opening his dorm room to them. it feels like a very gray area. >> right, certainly it sounds like code. when you read it in the complaint. but we should emphasize, first of all, that the fbi has made clear they have no evidence that these, that any of these three individuals had knowledge of the boston marathon bombing before the fact or that they had been told by tsarnaev about his involvement in the bombing before the events of that evening. but what's so damning in this complaint is that timeline. let me just go over it, because this is on thursday, the day into the fbi releases the

photographs of the suspects they're looking for. they do that at 5:00 p.m. according to the claim, at 6:00 p.m., an hour later, kadarbayev sees the photograph and recognizes tsarnaev. then they decide to go to the apartment. those text messages that you just read, alex, were between 8:43 and 8:48 p.m. now that is less than two hours before m.i.t. police officer sean collier is allegedly murdered by the tsarnaev brothers. it's about three hours before the carjacking takes place of the victim known as danny. the mercedes suv. and it's about three to four hours before the shoot-out in watertown. and i guess the real compelling question here is -- if these kazakh students and their friend had chosen to alert the fbi,

rather than protect their friend tsarnaev, could all of those horrible events of the night of april 17th and the morning of april 18th, been averted. i think that's what's going to be so damning and so difficult for their defense, if and when this comes to trial. while they will say, as the lawyer did yesterday, they cooperated with the fbi when confronted, they told them the story, at least the kazakh students did. they still will have to explain to a jury why they didn't alert the fbi and what the consequences of that failure to do so were. >> michael, i want to ask you about the laptop, we seem to be getting conflicting reports about where exactly it is. it seems like some of the suspects are saying they turned it over to the fbi. but as far as we know, the fbi has not said that they have the laptop in their possession. do you have anything to update

us? >> the fbi has not commented. what leapt out at me when i read the affidavit yesterday, is that it states that the that these students took the laptop from tsarnaev's room as well as the back pack and then it drops any further reference to the laptop it says that they threw away the back pack in the, it says nothing about the laptop. i emailed a lawyer for kaderbayev, i asked him about the laptop, he said it was offered voluntarily. the fbi has not commented, the fact that they don't allege that they sought to destroy or conceal or hide the laptop, does give some credibility to what the lawyer for the defendant is saying here, and if you think about it, alex, the laptop is the most important piece of evidence in that room. that's the evidence that, that's

what the fbi wanted to see, who tsarnaev was in contact with before the bombing. who he was emailing with what websites he was looking for, and if they didn't have the laptop, they almost certainly would have put it in the complaint and charged them with obstructing, with obstructing and concealing that as well as the backpack. >> given the extraordinary effort to find the backpack and fireworks, we saw the images of the landfill and the search teams, we can imagine that the laptop will be found. michael isikoff, thank you as always. james, when we first started talking about this case, there was a question of how it would affect immigration reform and this idea that we are unsafe here at home. and i want to play a little bit of sound from john mccain, who has been a leader on immigration, who has done a lot of work back home in his home state of arizona, to dispel rumors and fear-mongering

theories about what immigrants and illegal undocumented workers are getting here in the united states. this is him on fox talking about immigration and the marathon boston bombing. >> maybe it's part of overall immigration reform, we should look at the process of who is allowed into this country under what circumstances. what is their situation and background. particularly from countries that have histories such as, as dagestan and chechnya and others where there's been significant influence of radical islamic extremism. >> i hear this and i'm worried. this is kind of, this backlash i think a lot of us thought might be coming, which is -- maybe it's time to start dictating which countries are allowed into this country and which countries aren't. >> which doesn't make sense, ultimately as immigration policy. it's sad that the timing of the events, the boston bombing as well as the sort of skittishness on one side of the aisle around

immigration reform is colluding to bring us to this particular point. at the end of the day it might reflect the kind of compromise required to get something through. if you have these crazy security measures and you do sort of have the language in there that says we're going to be very robust to protect the borders. that might get what we need out of immigration reform, which means that those here right now have a pathway to citizenship. >> i feel that's sort of sack advertising the point of having an open, welcoming america if you're saying, people from the middle east, from dagestan, from chechnya are going to be under more scrutiny. they may not be let in if a, national security level, being treated as another, having a closed door greet you when you come to the united states, b, the bigger picture of what this country stands for, it undermines those goals. >> national proxy, picking blacklisting some countries and saying, would kazakhstan have been on that list?

kazakhstan has some chechens, it's not clear these guys were islamic radicals, i don't know if they're muslims or not. i haven't been able to glean that from the news story. this phenomenon where politicians take any news and fit it into their preexisting ideology. at the moment it's opposition to immigration reform. the conservative argument is we're for legal immigration, we're just against illegal immigration. this is legal immigration. we're not going to have a set of policies that prohibit this. it wouldn't be america if we did that. >> at what point is there an institutional breakdown, where you see these people should not have been let in because of x. these people look like they were partiers, from a well-off background. the three new suspects. what are they supposed to have caught? mostly they just seem to be following the bro code, not the jihadist code. it's unclear if they had surveilled them if they asked 18-year-olds, do you happen to support radicalization against the united statess, if that

would have been effective in stopping this. >> the fbi had contact with tamerlan tsarnaev and presumably asked him a question like that, richard, which goes to this nebulous area of self-radicalization or radicalization in general and what makes people radicalized or become terrorists and how to know that. >> it's incredibly hard to track, we saw it in madrid and london as well. i want to come back to the question that john mccain raised, was whether certain countries or certain people in certain countries are somehow unwelcome. i don't want to have to remind john mccain about the national security history of this country. but it wasn't that long ago that this country went to the defense of beleaguered massacred muslims in bosnia, for instance, we took the approach in chechnya, where the russian government was engaged in ethnic cleansing and bombing muslim chechens. we said, as a country, this was wrong. now we didn't do anything about it in bosnia. we took military action. and it so happens that when this

country stands up for human rights and relickous freedom and stands against ethnic cleansing that sometimes there are muslim radicals who are on the same side as the united states. did you know what, they're on the same side in syria right now. john mccain himself says that the syrian rebels need american support, and guess who is also supporting the syrian rebels? >> al qaeda. >> the jihadis. so the world is a complicated place, john mccain ought to know this. >> and to set a certain type of criteria, these are the kinds of people who become terrorists or get radicalized is virtually impossible. we have to take a break, but coming up, we'll discuss how the far right flank is moving from the fringe to the mainstream, coming up next. ♪ if loving you is wrong

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on certain issues, war, spending, the yaempgs, we know that america is divided. but nowhere are we as fractious as we are on guns. according to a new farley-dickinson poll 73% of democrats say congress needs to protect new laws to protect the public from gun violence. but the views of republicans are almost completely opposite. 65% don't think new laws are necessary. gop resistance to new gun safety measures isn't really headline news, but when it comes to the reason for the divide, think 72.5 fall above the poll banners. the same poll found that 32% of republicans, think about facts about the shootings at sandy hook elementary last year are being hidden, yes. sandy hook kpirscy theories. supported, apparently by a third of republicans. the good people at

farley-dickinson delivered this nugget, 44% of republicans think that an armed revolution in order to protect liberties might be necessary in the next few years. disbelieving exclamation points? mine. 44%, almost half of one of the two parties that govern the united states of america. they think an armed revolution may be needed to protect our liberties in the next few years. who is fomenting this fear? why do presumably normal rational americans think an armed revolution might be necessary in the next few years? what has gotten into their heads? for one, glenn beck and his bennian theories of apocalypse, he he says the heavy police response to the boston marathon bombings, reminded him of the nazi door-to-door searches during the holocaust. when they say stay in the your house, stay in your house. everybody says, there's no way that any of this is going to happen in america, whatever, you

can live in your little dream world. >> how about an armed revolution to stop the socialist menace? tea party fire-starter rick santelli is still fired up. >> put pro growth policy, not socialism in place. that's where you're going down the wrong road. and then there's new hampshire state representative, who says his constituents are telling him they may have to use their guns to foment revolution of this tyrannical federal government insists on pursuing end times immigration laws. >> they are worried they're going to have to use the guns because of our own government. is there anything in washington that says any tell-tale signs that maybe we might be headed for an internal revolution given the facts that these kinds of things are going on? >> according to fox news, two billboards in greeley, colorado, are telling it like it is. which is this -- give up your guns and you'll suffer the same fate as the native americans. >> i, i can't find what's

insensitive. so some native americans think it's insensitive. others think it was accurate, turning in your guns will take care of you. a lot of us think that's, believe that the national registry is like turning in your guns. >> what national registry. >> the one that the gun law advocates would love to have. >> but how to have an armed revolution without any ammo? sure, high-capacity magazines are still available for recreational use. but what about the bullets? according to alex jones, president obama has been stockpiling all of the ammunition. jones info wars website warns that homeland security buys enough ammo for a seven-year war against the american people. looking at the world is jones and company do through a wildly distorted crazy person lens, the government's purchase of ammo isn't taking advantage of economies of scale, no. it is a precursor to an all-out war against the american people. the question is -- which is more disconcerting, the alex joness

of the world, or the republicans in the senate who seem to actually believe him. senator james inhov of oklahoma is on board with the conspiracy, last week he introduced the ammo act of two 13, to stop the u.s. government from hoarding ammo and keeping it out of the hands of patriotic americans. saying president obama has been adamant about curbing law-abiding americans' access and opportunities to exercise their second amendment rights. one way the obama administration is able to do this is by limiting what's available in the market with federal agencies purchasing unnecessary stockpiles of ammunition. these folks have had it. they're ready to throw the yolk of this tyrant, this demagogue, through sheer power of manipulation and mind control couldn't manage to get a background check bill through congress. >> on the gun bill you put it seems everything into it to try to get it passed, obviously it

didn't. do you still have the juice to get the rest of your agenda through this congress? >> well, if you put it that way, jonathan, maybe i should just pack up and go home, golly. >> juice or no juice? 44% of republicans still believe we may need to rise up against this tyranny and after newtown, guns are flying off the shelves, maybe it's time to take off the crazy person glasses and acknowledge reality. the dak certificate not coming from our government, it is coming from fear-mongers and fools. after the break, new data that could bolster the case for the expansion of the affordable care act. will positive trends silence republican opposition? [ male announcer ] this is george. the day building a play set begins with a surprise twinge of back pain... and a choice. take up to 4 advil in a day or 2 aleve for all day relief.

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conservatives are claiming that a new study on medicaid

deliver as death knell to obama care, it kind of actually strengthens the case for the affordable care act. over the past two years, researchers tracked the health of tens of thousands of randomly selected people in oregon who were granted medicaid and compared them with an identical population of none recipients. conservative response to this top line data could most effectively be summed up as told you so. michael cannon of the conservative cato institute says the study throws a stop sign in front of obama care's medicaid expansion. a maybe a stop sign or maybe even a green light. regarding the access to health care, cutting down on high cholesterol, hypertension and diabetes, the length of the study was just two years long, researchers warn that positive health he cans might take more time to show up.

the finger-wagging from the right ignores the positive health care impacts. medicaid made people much more likely to be financially stable. those who had health care coverage were 30% less likely to be depressed. for people without medicaid, 5.5% reported spending more than 30% of their income on their health care. that income was zero for those with medicaid. those with health care took part in preventive services much more often. including mammograms and cholesterol tests, sara collins vice president at the commonwealth fund say it will have long-term impacts. the overall finding is they're using more preventive services and going to the doctor more. she said the health incomes take time. the big picture is that the study bears out fundamental reasons to have health care in the first place, number one, preventive services to avoid getting very sick and needing expensive care. number two, coverage. so that in the case of unexpected illed in or accident,

americans aren't sunk by medical debt. the health care offers these critical benfits to the poor and uninsure who had desperately need them. amy finkelstein, of m.i.t. who worked on the study told "the new york times," there was a view that medicaid coverage would not do much for the low income or uninsured, either because they had access to charity or medicaid is not good insurance. this rejects that notion entirely. erin, this may reject that notion, but there's going, there is already a lot of hue and cry from the right about this proves that obama care is a national disaster because in two years, a certain segment of the population was not cured of diabetes and cancer. not cancer, hypertension. part of me who thinks we should have national health care coverage, for the poor and sick, should not go into economic crisis by virtue of getting sick is frud rated at the study. in so far that the studied a population over two years, as much such, the findings in some ways are inconclusive and the

good stuff is getting buried under a lot of sort of semi negative stuff. >> the guy from the cato institute has no health insurance, work. i'm sure he just skipped the market completely. i assume that guy has some sort of financial stability that if he did get sick, if he did get cancer, had some sort of catastrophic health issue, he would have the financial cushion, unlike many in that study. the critical problem is the previnive care it takes a long time to for it to matter. the most important parts of obama care, among the most important parts, are these things that aren't that sexy. we heard a lot about the contraceptive benefit but they prevent you from being more expense i expensive along the way. >> the study had made people a little healthier, but it didn't make them less likely to become bankrupt. it didn't make them happier. it didn't make them easier to change jobs and it didn't save

any money in the system overall. that would be a failure. that would be a disaster. the most important things, obama care are going to do, is not the increases in life expectancy. i don't think there's anything in the study that suggests that won't happen. it's the overall savings and the impact on people's lives who don't have it in that they're at risk all the time and they're stuck where they are. >> the people who benefit the most from this are the uninsured which is to say have no voice in congress. and in terms of republicans, there is no plan b for obama care, no way to get the uninsured coverage. that part of the government is never discussed. >> that's why the economic piece of this study, as well as the depression piece of the study is really, really important. >> people having economic stability, we're talking about mental health issues, we certainly should apply here.

people should understand that our health care system is a very reactionary system and we're reactionary, the information about the preventive measures that people are getting access to is more important. it will take too much time for people to catch up to -- >> or you never get credit for preventing a crisis, right. >> in the old days, before president obama came along, republicans liked the idea of people taking responsibilities for their own lives. >> preventive care is actually that. rather than saying i'm in trouble now, i'm going to walk up to the e.r. and you've got to help me out here, preventive care is people being proactive and saving money. republicans used to like that and the most republican idea of all, tax cuts can pay for themselves. the idea is that health costs can save money and health care later. this is a republican idea, they should embrace it. >> i feel like the

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these days, it's hard to know what a $1.50 might get you at the grocery store, a piece of fruit, a small bag of chips, a can of soda. around the world, over a billion people live on this amount or less every single day and they have much more to pay for than simply food. the poverty line may seem like a complex technical concept. but the numbers behind it are not. a total 1.4 billion people live in extreme poverty. living on less than $1.50 a day.

600 million children live in extreme poverty around the world and every minute, 18 children die from poverty-related causes, one child every three seconds sekds. the global poverty project is looking to change this. the local poverty project's live below the line campaign is trying to change the way we think about being poor and to ask participants to live on only $1.50 a day, more than 20,000 people are expected to participate. joining me is founder and ceo of the global poverty project, hugh evans. i would like to consider myself one of the 20,000, but already i had an english muffin and apple and i think it's disqualifying to my $1.50 a day, it's staggering how low that is. >> now 1.2 billion people live on less than $1.25 per day. for everything, not just food, when we take on the live below

the line challenge it's about food and water and we're talking about everything. health care, education, clothing. >> this is it. how can you possibly survive. this is what the whole point of the campaign is about. the way it started was a couple of years ago. one of our friends in australia was grappling with this figure and he said you know, how can i ever comprehend what that's like unless i do it my sl. so he took on the challenge for a month on $1.50 a day. >> are you doing the challenge? >> yes, i'm doing it for the whole week. >> it's impressive. the only way to do it. this is adjusted for american dollars, this is what the poverty line is in america. >> internationally. it accounts for purchasing power parity or the equivalent of what you prsh at the local level. the $1.50 mark is the equivalent of extreme poverty worldwide. >> if we look at what poverty means in america, 46 million americans live in poverty, including 60 million children. one in three working families

live near poverty. jake, too many times the statistics are in the abstract. we never think about what it means. and really honestly living in any city in america, especially new york on on $1.50 a day is virtually impossible. if you take into consideration everything you have to pay for. >> everyone i know in new york is trying to lose weight. so if you market it as a fad diet, you might double your numbers. speaking of statistics, you cited an interesting one at the beginning, which is from 1.4 billion to 1.2 billion people living in these conditions. that's a huge success, what accounts for it? >> well it's actually quite amazing. in the last 25 years, the proportion of people living in extreme poverty now has halved from 52% of the world's population in 1991, down to 25% today. that's due to gains in health care, so you've seen things like eat rad indication of smallpox, polio is nearly eradicated. amazing health care interventions in malaria. and seen the growth of parts of

latin america, you've seen amazing economic boom. the remaining 1.2 billion people living in extreme poverty are basically living in sub-sarahan africa. >> we've got to let you go. and the show unfortunately there's a time clock that we're running up against, but hugh, the goal of ending poverty around the world, some people think it's doable. >> it is doable. it's going to happen within our lifetime. >> that's highly and awesomely optimistic. thank you for all the work you're doing. >> the project is live below the line. hugh evans from the global poverty project. thanks to our panelists. that's all for now, see you back here tomorrow at noon when i'm joined by sam stein, josh green, nia malika henderson and ben smith. "andrea mitchell reports" is next. we've all had those moments.

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