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know? new details on the three friends of boston bomber dzhokhar tsarnaev now arrested in connection with the case. their lawyers deny they intended to do anything wrong. >> i'm not sure a 19-year-old college student understands the gravity of the situation like this. and they did not intentionally or knowingly destroy evidence. answering to the voters in her second town hall, new hampshire senator kelly ayotte is asked again to defend her no vote on background checks. >> i really don't understand, it doesn't make sense to me, what is wrong with universal background checks? >>. up in arms, senator pat toomey says he knows why his bipartisan gun bill died in the senate.
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>> i think in the end we didn't because our politics have become so polarized. and there are people on my side who didn't want to be perceived to be helping something that the president wants to accomplish. simply because it's the president who wants to accomplish it. and google comes to us. we chat with executives eric schmidt and jerry cohen about the new digital age in their new book. plus, from one former secretary to another, henry kissinger jokes about hillary clinton's 2016 prospects. >> became president. and that sort of started focusing my mind. i want to tell hillary when she misses the office, she looks at the history of secretaries of state, there might be hope for a
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fulfilling life afterwards. >> good day, i'm andrea mitchell live in washington, the students accused of interfering with evidence linked to the deadly boston bombings will all be appearing in court over the next few weeks. meanwhile, investigators continue to examine the recovered items taken by these men from dzhokhar tsarnaev's dorm room. joining me justice correspondent, pete williams and micele isikoff in boston. >> the legal implications of what happened and what the charges are against these three. >> the government draws a distinction between the actions that the two kazakh students took and the action that the american citizen took. say all three went to the dorm room of dzhokhar tsarnaev the night of fbi put out the pictures of the three. but before we get to that, i think it's important to say something that was buried in a footnote in the government's complaint. what they say is that a month before the bombing, the two students from kazakhstan were having a meal with dzhokhar
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tsarna tsarnaev, in which he said he knew how to build a bomb. so now you go to the events of the day that the fbi showed the pictures of the bombing suspects. this is three days after the bombing, the bombing is on monday, this is a thursday night. they see the pictures, they think -- wow, one of them sure looks like our friend, dzhokhar tsarnaev. one of them texts with him, they end up going to his dorm room. he's not there. the roommate says he had left about an hour earlier. they go in, they watch a movie, they see this black back pack. one of them looks inside and sees empty fireworks tubes and says, we better take this. they all three leave. they go to the apartment the two kazakh students have. and they debate what to do. they see the next morning that the authorities have now identified the two tsarnaev brothers as the suspects in the bombing. it says they discussed what to do and that eventually one of the students, one of the kazakh students throws the back pack away. so the two kazakh students are charged with obstructing,
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conspiracy to obstruct justice. the american citizen is charged with lying to investigators, because they say initially he told authorities none of this happened and that eventually he kept changing his story and said it did. he said he was taking a nap when the back pack was actually thrown away. >> and michael isikoff. you and pete have been looking into the laptop. the laptop that the investigators now have. which came from the students. >> right. exactly. the complaint, criminal complaint we got yesterday was kind of curiously, had a curious omission. it says when the students went to that apartment, that night, they took in addition to that backpack with the fireworks, they also took the laptop computer. now if you think about it, of all the pieces in that, of evidence in that room. it's the laptop computer that the evidence would have wanted the most. because that would have yielded the clues to whether or not tsarnaev had been in communication with others before the bombing, anybody overseas, what he was saying to his
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brother, might have said to his brother in emails. the laptop. but the complaint doesn't say what happened to the laptop. they specifically charge them with disposing of the back pack in the, in the trash bin. but they don't say anything about what the students did with the laptop. well, i emailed with one of the lawyers last night for one of the kazakh students, asked what happened to it. he said that the laptop was turned over. i asked how so? was it seized? he said no, voluntarily. so that hasn't been disputed by the fbi. in fact there are other reports that the fbi does now have that laptop. and if that's the case, it does make clear first of all, that whatever sort of cover-up these students may have been assisting in, it was a pretty bungled and amateurish one. because the piece of evidence they would have wanted to hide the most, that tsarnaev would have wanted to hide the most, presumably would have been the laptop computer and they didn't hide that. so that sort of cuts in their favor a little bit. i do want to say one thing about
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the timeline that pete was just outlining there. what's particularly damning about that timeline is it's 5:00 on that thursday that the fbi releases the photos. it's 6:00, kaderbayev recognizes them as possibly being tsarnaev and then they have the text messages, 8:43, to 8:48 p.m., barely two hours before m.i.t. police officer sean collier is shot. think if they had alerted the fbi instead of trying to protect their friend, whether police officer collier's life might have been saved. >> pete, indeed, are the fbi still looking for other pieces of evidence in terms of other things that may have been thrown out or anyone else on the campus who might have been dzhokhar's friends, anyone else that they're still pursuing? >> well, you know, i think that's, i don't know, we knew that they were looking at these, at these students. we initially had been told that they were suitemates or roommates, that was the
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understanding of the people we talked to. now we understand that they had a separate apartment. but we knew they were under very close surveillance. they had actually been detained, initially, the two kazakh students, on questions about whether they were still here legally because of their student visa situation. we haven't heard of any others that are looked at that. there are a couple of things that are strange about this. one is that the fbi didn't actually search dzhokhar tsarnaev's -- he was arrested friday night. they didn't actually search his dorm room until the following sunday. so that's sort of the first question. the other odd thing that's in the criminal complaint, andrea, is that the students say they told the fbi that they took the laptop because they didn't want tsarnaev's roommate to think it was odd that they were only taking the backpack. so i'm not sure what the logic was there. but that's what they told the fbi. >> these 19-year-olds are facing a world of trouble. thank you very much. thanks, michael and pete. now new hampshire senator kelly ayotte is holding another town hall. she was just asked again about
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her vote against expanded background checks for gun sales. >> i really don't understand -- it doesn't make sense to me what is wrong with universal background checks? >> okay. thank you, john. i thank you, john and you know, john, i know obviously we've known each other for a couple of years and i have a lot of respect for you. and on this issue my, i've described it for you, but i will tell you in terms of a universal background check, as it's been framed, i have a lot of concerns about that leading to a registry that will create a privacy situation for lawful firearms owners. however, i do believe that our current system should be fixed.
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>> nbc's capitol hill correspondent, kelly o'donnell joins me now. this was only the one question that was asked about this, asking her to defend the vote. she had others who were asking questions about the gun vote and supported her for taking the time and for voting as she did. so this was hardly a hostile audience. but what she seemed to indicate is she thinks there will be another chance to vote on other measures. this is indicating that maybe the manchin/toomey rewrite might get somewhere. >> i know from talking to sources that joe manchin has been working the phones, the west virginia democrat who has been a big part of trying to get people like kelly ayotte to support not universal, but expanded background checks, only covering those commercial sales, not individual sales, he's still working it, even though it is effectively dead at the moment in terms of legislation. could it come back? his goal is to have a vote before august, that's a big, big ask. because of all the other things they have to do. what i love about what we're seeing in these town hall meetings is that it's real
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voters, real people. people who are passionate about issues. on either side who get to come and ask their senator a question. and so she's taking some questions, she took some heat yesterday, she's done over her career, about two dozen of these in the time she's been in the senate. and she's having to answer for her vote. she's gotten some support, some who say what she's done is not enough. talking to some of the people around her and to her in the past. she has said that there are things like dealing with mental health that she would want to do more. prosecutions of existing background checks. >> that seems like a op cop-out kelly, honestly. when you talk about the existing laws, it's the nra who has proposed all of these other procedures. >> these are tough procedures. what is a window, would she be open to having a conversation. she seems to be. gun politics is tough. she's one of the people that supporters for background checks had hoped to draw over. the only senator in the northeast who voted against it and that's put her on particular focus on a lot of passions of
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all sides. >> what's your take on the polls that seem to show that some senators like jeff blake in arizona going against john mccain, his own partner, senior senator, and kelly ayotte, that they are actually being hurt badly and have lost -- >> the poll you refer to, big, big drop for senator who is voted against it the flip is that, pat toomey, the republican of pennsylvania got a benefit. here he is a republican coming out, trying to get this through and he saw a real benefit. so that's something that lawmakers watch. if polls show that their votes are costing them, they've got to listen, they've got to respond. what people are doing at the town hall meetings could be effective in keeping this going. >> thank you so much, kelly. next up, the new digital age with eric schmidt and jared cohen from google. you're watching "andrea mitchell reports" only on msnbc. many women may not be absorbing the calcium they take as well as they could because they don't take it with food. switch to citracal maximum plus d. it's the only calcium supplement
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who did a fantastic job and the internet. the police released the videos. and then literally a million people started matching pictures, trying to figure out all the details of where these young men had been. furthermore, when they ultimately carjacked this fellow, made him drive around and he ultimately fled, he left his cell phone in the car and that's how they were tracked to the shootout which ultimately caused the guy to end up in the boat. >> the carjack victim was key to this. >> and the presence of mind. >> he was either brilliant or terrified. but leaving his cell phone in the car allowed them to be found. >> weigh talk about the privacy issues here, jared, but the fact is, that law enforcement has now persuaded a lot of people that giving up your privacy, not only these cameras, but all of the tracking devices, is actually a good risk-benefit. that's what mike bloomberg has argued, that's what others, ray kelly in new york. >> most terrorists are young, in the future that's not going to change. one thing that's been a long tradition is young people making
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mistakes. that's also not going to change. the one thing that is going to change is every young person in the future is going to be connected. by the way that's not just in boston, that's in places like afghanistan and pakistan and iraq and elsewhere. and if young people in the future are opting into technology, that means that tiny, loud and problematic mib ort that falls in the category of terrorists and criminals is also going to be online and the margin for error goes down. they make mistakes and when they make mistakes they're easier to catch and you get their sim card and all of their friends are easier to catch. >> on your show you're reporting that the authorities have this guy's computer. we'll be able to find out the nature of his network and were there others involved. we wanted his computer, we wanted his cell phone for all of those reasons. >> what is the biggest new frontier for technological advances? statistic african continent? where do you see, eric, the biggest new wave of innovation? it's sort of everywhere. in our book we talk about the developed world, the world we all live in where huge
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innovations in terms of memory boxes and artificial intelligence and things that make your life better. computers are very, very good at remembering things and ferreting out unique things out of a million pieces of data. you're very good at being human and not very good at remembering everything. that combination allows computers to make your life more effective. the big change is not for us, it's for people who have gone from no information at all, literally starving of information, no information about health care, information, to having in their hands a device that has all the world's information. that change is more profound than anything we will ever see here in america. >> it's really africa, when i first out to talk to people at the gates foundation in the early years about how do we get hiv information and protection in all of these places. delivery systems are now facilitated by cell phones. >> information is extraordinarily powerful. and it's not just africa.
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latin america has large groups of people who are poor and disadvantaged. isolated tribes will be brought in by this. translate their languages and find out what they're up to. listen to their cultures, build businesses for them. the same is true in poor parts of asia. it's a global phenomena and one that i'm most proud of. >> i want to ask you about north korea. you both are among the most recent americans to have gone to north korea. we know that kenneth bay was sentenced today, i thirk, eric, you tried to pass a letter on his behalf. a korean-american who has been imprisoned and now sentenced to 15 years. >> i think the situation is horrific. we did try to get him a letter. we did try to talk to him. we were unable to do so. jared? >> when we tried to make the case to get a chance to speak with him in pyongyang and bring him down to the capitol, the north korean response to us, the state department came out
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against your visit and so you don't have consular authorities. no internet connectivity. and our response to them was since you seem to have access to the media and the internet, maybe you could tell us what they said. >> when i first went to pyongyang, we had to leave our phones at the border, they were collected. and or at the airport, when we landed. and then they tried to show us a classroom where the intranet, their internal communication. but my foreign ministry minder said that every six months he got to go to beijing and he got to go on the internet and it was very exciting to him. eric, i mean -- >> we travel with my daughter and we get, once you're there you start to play some games with them. as we left, my daughter said oh, i left my scarf and the minder said not possible to go back, because they were deconstructing the set they had created for us. >> they took us to the korea
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computer center. we saw you have a million cell phones in the country. they are 3g capable but the data is not turned on. there's an unfiltered internet connection. they have tablets, smartphones, they just hog, they hog the best connectivity for a small number of people that are running the country. which from our perspective is the new corruption when societies should be online. we tried to make the argument that they cannot survive economically if they don't open up a little bit. we don't know what they'll do without that message. >> from people whom i spoke to, even though north korea has gone quiet in terms of a threat level, we are experts expect something is going to happen. that this new leader could not have gone this far forward without doing some sort of test, missile test, nuclear test and there have been purges of the military of his father's military. >> i came to a view of north korea that currently it runs pretty much like the whole country is military. and from that perspective, there's always a threat. there's a single leader. people within the military of course are sent off to jail or prison in this case to gulags
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and they're always in a state of sort of alarm as a country, it's how they mobilize their people. i would caution people about speculating what's going to happen. even though this leader was western-educated. the tools of oppression are very strong. they were very careful not to tip their hand to us as to what they were going to do and open up the internet. all they have to do is turn on the internet and that country is going to get a lot better. >> a quick question about china and its new leadership, you have made a big corporate decision to back away from china, despite the huge marketplace because of censorship and because of all the restrictions. what goes into that decision and what do you see with the new leadership, with xi? >> there's the new leadership is untested, there's optimism with our friends in china based on the new leadership. google was one willing to be subject to the level of active krinsorship that china with a
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was and is forcing on the online world. >> and jared you came back in the day when i first met you, you were at the state department, an early proponent, advocate and participant in social media. how has that, how transformative is social media potentially? we've seen what happened with the arab spring and other fourses counterveiled, the messaging that gets through. >> we argue that five billion new people will connect to the internet in the next decade. think about where those people are coming online. all the parts of the world where there's instability, conflict, these are the parts of the world with the greatest number of challenges. so geopolitics has never been more relevant and has never been more intertwined with technology than we're going to see in the next decade. we have to be proactive. we have to get not just geopolitical experts, but engineers involved in understanding where the challenges are going and what to do about them. >> the great to see you and the book is "the new digital age."
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of the president's presidential campaigns. melody barnes served as director of the white house domestic policy council during president obama's first term and joins me now. so someone might ask, we haven't had one for a year, we've had an acting secretary, roberta blank, think, why do we need a secretary of commerce, what does the secretary of commerce really do as the president fills out his cabinet. >> exactly, it's a pleasure to be here with you, as always. i think it's a very, very important job. what we've seen over the years, looking at even through past administrations, is that the secretary of commerce is often an ambassador between the administration and the business community and an important part of an economic team. becky blank did a vafantastic j as the interim secretary. she's got a lot of credibility. but having someone in there of penny's stature and someone who is a business person and someone who is taken seriously by the business community i think will be very, very important for the
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administration. >> one question that i've been looking at frankly is there are no assistant secretaries of state. ambassadors from all over the world are asking me, whom do we deal with. who is making policy. and when you ask both the state department and the white house about this, they say well the confirmation process is so bad. that we have to vet these people over and over again. and penny pritzger's case, she might have been nominated before, but she had so many holdings, she might have had to divest a lot. it's complicated for someone at her level of business involvement. and at this point. it's sort of home alone at the state department. how do we get past this and get the administration off to a faster start? >> well this is an issue that actually democrats and republicans and certainly past administrations and this one have given a lot of thought to. and there are efforts around reform there have been efforts already taken to try to shrink and focus on the key areas or key positions that need to go
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through confirmation for that reason. we also have to make a decision as to whether or not our nominees are going to be political footballs or not. i hope in the case of penny pritzger, somebody who is this serious, we have an opportunity to work together on skills for america's future. workforce development, education and the needs of the business community and our economy. i know how serious she is that people will pay attention to that. and to all of her credentials, along with the fact that i think she's got the business round table, the chamber of commerce and other ace lined with her that should ease the confirmation process. >> it's true that a lot of business people at that level don't want to go through this, it is a huge hassle. another question comes up. guantanamo and i know that national security is not your particular focus. but the fact is we can't even sort out who is in charge. there was someone, dan free who did it for years at the state department, his office has been eliminated. he's been assigned elsewhere. it's been folded into the big office of legal affairs, legal
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council at the state department. which means it will get no attention. there were two defense authorization bills in 2011 and then in 2012 that put restrictions on where even precleared low-concerned detainees can be cents. meanwhile we have 86 of these men who have been told three years ago that they were being cleared, ready to go home. they can't go home because congress won't let them or because nobody in the administration is willing to take the very tough step politically of saying, we waived those congressional restraints, because we think that yemen will hold on to this guy and he won't go back to the fight. >> right. what happens? >> they're on a hunger strike. first of all, the president has raised attention around guantanamo. and when he does that, that sends a signal that ripples throughout the entire system. and i think it changes the conversation. secondly, i know from those who are now at the state department, you know, the counselor, the chief of staff, to secretary kerry, that filling out the
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actually very lucky to be alive. and what can you say? you can't go backwards. you can only move forwards. and that's the direction i'm going. >> another resilient bostonian, it will be a long road back for many victims. help is on the way, monetarily from a coalition of state and local officials and a lot of corporation who is are organizing the one fund boston centralize donations from people across the world wanting to help. kenneth feinberg who oversaw the september 11th victims compensation fund and the fund after katrina is administering this one as well and joins me now. this is so heartbreaking, everything you do is heartbreaking frankly, i don't know how you get your arms around it. you were telling me you're going to hold a town hall meeting before you begin distributing money. $28 million, that's the latest? >> so far. and that's mayor menino and
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governor patrick. they've been taking the lead and the results are unprecedented for private donations. >> how do you decide with so many victims and those in the hospital, out of the hospital, amputees. facing years and years of rehab and struggle. to recover. how do you decide the amounts of money. how do you do it? >> how much do you have to distribute. when will it be available. then we hold a series of public meetings and invite everybody to comment how they think it ought to be distributed. >> this will start monday and tuesday. >> monday and tuesday at the boston public library. and then you step back and it's solemn, i mean there's only so much money. we have four who lost loved ones, four lives lost. we've got a terrible number of double amputees and single amputees. we've got a score or more people that have been in the hospital for over two weeks.
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and you try and allocate the money to the most seriously injured or lives lost. >> how do you play god with all due respect and decide what is the value of an 8-year-old martin richards' future life to his family and the lots that they have suffered? >> you can't do that. the best you can do is try to exercise some sound human judgment. we have this much money. in the past, in aurora, 9/11, virginia tech, we, we did it this way. in newtown, they'll do it this way. and you try and build on what you've learned and hope that both the victims and the public and the families will understand the impossible task that you confront. but you brace yourself. you brace yourself. >> emotionally, what does this do? when you're trying to make these kinds of decisions, which can be in many cases, life-and-death
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decisions for people. >> that's right. >> because money can give them the possibility of future treatments, which they could not afford themselves. >> that's right. now one -- one benefit here in boston, or in aurora or virginia tech, you're not waiving any rights. this is a gift, in effect this is money that's been donated -- >> you're agreeing not to sue a corporate culprit here. >> that's right. it's not like 9/11 where we spent $7 billion of the taxpayers' money and in return every single claimant had to agree, no lawsuits against the airlines, the world trade center, et cetera, et cetera. bp, same thing, here's money from bp, you can't sue as a result. here is the money, unrestricted, do what you want with the money. and it is passed through to the eligible claims. >> and is the money still coming in? how do you keep the focus on that i point out that the mayor and the governor have done such
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a great job what can people do to contribute to the one boston fund. >> online, onefundboston. there it is, one thing you learn about these programs, i am amazed over the years, at the charitable impulse of the american people. whether it's aurora or virginia tech or the indiana state fair wind storm, or newtown or the boston marathon -- people simply as a community, as one nation, people just send in nickels, dimes, dollars. whatever they can afford. and they want to express their sort of cohesiveness, their allegiance with the victims. and it is one of the few uplifting aspects of this whole, whole undertaking. >> it's so beautifully american, isn't it? thank you very much. and we'll be right back. asional have constipation,
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breaking news just west of los angeles, wildfires have forced authorities to evacuate the areas near cam rhea and thousands oaks neighborhood. that area includes cal state university, channel islands, this latest order comes as crews are battling fires. the santa ana winds are gusting up to 30 miles per hour. hillary clinton was back on center stage last night being honored by the atlantic council. enter deuced by former secretary of state, henry kissinger. kissinger said what everyone in the room was thinking about, hillary could end up going from foggy bottom to the oval office, if she wants. >> when i became secretary of state, i spent a lot of time thinking about my illustrious predecessors and not primarily the ones who went on to become president. >> kissinger has become quite a mentor of hers.
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what's in store for hillary clinton? joining me now is the "washington post" ruth marcus, long-time clinton watcher, along with the rest of us. >> expected to keep watching. >> keep watching. she was really in great sort of great voice and comfortable. receiving the award from the atlantic council last night and kissinger is so fond of her and vice-versa. it's very interesting kblings. >> you know better than i do, she did a very good job, not chatting up, that's too loose. consulting. >> consulting, yes, the former secretaries of state and everybody likes to be consulted. >> that is indeed the case. now emily's list has come out with their new advertisement. think we've got 0 little bit of that plus a quinnipiac poll that shows that clinton is leading the pack with 65% of those who are looking at a 2016 matchup, far ahead of anybody else, preemptive
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preemptively. >> that's not a surprise, right? that's just no surprise. because she was the leading other candidate last time around. she's the name everybody knows. other than joe biden, sorry, vice president biden and i think she's got the field, if not quite clear, it's hers to dominate. i don't think there's going to be another public event. whether it's the atlantic council or anything else that hillary clinton is at in which the word "president" isn't spoken until we know for sure whether or not she is running. >> there she was sitting next to kissinger last night, i was sitting at another table. she was absolutely mobbed. everyone wanted it talk to clinton, even though there were a numb of other people being honored last night. tony bennett and a lot of stars, clinton was the clear star. now when does she have to start even thinking about organizing? >> well, a lot of the organizing is being done for her, being done vicariously. and the clintons, because, remember, they've been doing
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this since 1992 or before -- >> it's clinton, inc. >> it is clinton, inc. and there's a pre-exiexisting netwof donors, operatives that can be almost sort of instantly assembled. almost like an air mattress you can just blow up. so i think she's got some time. i'm actually a little bit surprised that she's not, that she's so out and about right now and not taking this time to lay a little bit lower. it does suggest at least tea leaves about the future. >> i want to ask you about the morning after pill. the fda came out under court order, they had 30 days to make a decision. they made a decision to make it available to everyone 15 years and up. which is controversial. and immediately the white house decided to appeal. finally announced they were going to appeal the court order that said all women had to have this available to them. it seems as though the white house was taking its good time with this. putting the fda on the spot.
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but what is the sort of judgment about the morning after pill? >> so i spend a lot of time learning about the morning after pill. the last time there was a controversy. when the fda commissioner was overruled. as a mom of two teenaged daughters, i did not like the idea that they could access this serious medication without my approval. i wanted to know what they're taking. i was convinced after reporting that that was wrong. that the most important thing to do is to make sure that access to the morning after pill, when you need it in the unfortunate event that you do need it, is as easy and instant as possible. that it's not dangerous. for young women or girls, unfortunately. and that, that the cost of it, which is about $50, is probably enough to deter kids from using it in ways that we don't want them to use it, repeatedly, as their major method of birth control. but the more unplanned
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pregnancies we can prevent, the better and i am really surprised that the administration chose after fda, made its decision, to get back into this. >> a great example of coordination there. thank you very much, ruth marcus. and we'll be right back. i even wrote a play about that. my symptoms were a pain in my abdomen and periods that were heavier and longer than usual for me. if you have symptoms that last two weeks or longer, be brave, go to the doctor. ovarian and uterine cancers are gynecologic cancers. symptoms are not the same for everyone. i got sick...and then i got better. (announcer) at scottrade, our cexactly how they want.t with scottrade's online banking, i get one view of my bank and brokerage accounts with one login... to easily move my money when i need to. plus, when i call my local scottrade office,
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jason collins' decision to become the first actively gay player is make news across the nation. his newest fans might be matthew shepherd's parents. this morning on nbc they indicated what his jersey number and declaration meant to them. >> we didn't have any concept that someone would come out to start this quickly in the nba, let alone that he would wear a jersey commemorating what happened to matt. >> having jason come out and the bravery and the courage with which he's done is it quite incredible. we're very honored.
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>> jonathan capehart joins us now. you've been talking about this. what is the significance of what jason collins did? >> on the one hand, what jason collins did wasn't terribly remarkable. i call it a gloriously unremarkable, in that back in 1978, harvey milk, then the san francisco board of supervisors, openly gay person said, you know, every gay person in america needs to come out and they need to do it, to their neighbors and co-workers and relatives so that way the more people come out, the more people will see that we're just like everyone else. what jason collins did this week is the same thing that i've done and millions of gay men and lesbians have done across kitchen tables, across america in living rooms across america for decades now. now here's where what he did is extraordinary.
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he is the first professional athlete who hasn't retired, who hasn't quit the sport that he loves. the first professional athlete to come out as gay. the first male to come out as gay. women have been coming out of the closet for a very long time. but we've been waiting for this one particular lavender ceiling to be cracked. jason collins decided that he would be the one as he says in the "sports illustrated" piece. he hopes that he didn't have to do it. that someone else would have been the one to raise their hand. he found that he had to be the one to do it. and maybe andrea, what jason did will then allow other professional athletes who might be in the closet to come forward as we know, there is talk that there could be at least, or up to four professional nfl football players who could come out any time now. so maybe what jason has done is made it easier for them. >> you know, just a note of
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caution here. because matthew sheppard obviously, meeting a violent end. when you referred to harvey, i was thinking look what happened to him? the tragedy of that. it was a long time ago. >> but these tragedies happen. they continue to happen. that's for sure. for all those tragedies, there are millions of people advancing and moving forward. it is because of them, the country is a better place. >> you'll be co-hosting the cycle this afternoon so that will be a better place for all of us. jonathan, see you. thank you very much. that does it for this edition of andrea mitchell reports. >> thank you. coming up, developing news, president obama expected to land in mexico in a little more than an hour from now. the key topics on the table.
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immigration, borld he security and trade. we'll get the live report for you from mexico city. and the father of one of the new individuals suspected in attempting to cover up for one of the bombing suspects out of boston. his dad is speaking out and he is attempting to explain why his license plate read, terrorista number one. >> it is like a slap in the face. we've been trying to work through this for three years now. >> incredible story. homeowners speak out after getting their settlement checks for improper foreclosures. wait until you hear how much many of these people received. it is all coming up next on "news nation." alec, for this mission i upgraded your smart phone.
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the "news nation" is following developing news. president obama traveling to mexico city where in two hours he will hold a high profile meeting. topping their agenda, immigration reform, drug violence and trade. the meeting comes during a shift in policy when it come to security cooperation with the u.s. now, mexico's government took steps to him the widespread access previously given to u.s. law enforcement agencies. the president's three-day trip will include a stop in costa rica where he will attend a summit with latin american leaders. earlier today from the rose garden, president obama announced two additions to his cabinet. she has been tapped to run the commerce department and economics adviser is nominated to be u.s. trade representative. nbc's kristin welker is in mexico city covering the president's trip there. and we know, of course, they want to talk about trade. i
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