of jail. >> my jaw hit the floor. that's how a state department whistle blower describes watching the white house spin benghazi. now he is ready to tell all and he's not the only one. >> i'mari melber. president obama is talking about syria and the red line. are we already in too deep? >> i'm krystal ball in washington with something we could all use a little of today. humor. meet a comedian who says the answer to life's biggest challenges is to laugh. >> wait for that. all that. plus my solution to immigration. hey, just open the borders. yep, i'm going. >> free on bond. one of the men charged with lying to investigators after the boston bombing is out on house arrest while awaiting trial.

robel phillipos is a u.s. citizen who faces the most severe charges of the three men. he will be fitted with an ankle monitor after posing $100,000 bail. this is all decided moments ago in a detention hearing for the 19-year-old friend of dzhokhar tsarnaev. katy, what happened at the hearing? >> reporter: the least severe of the charges. he is accused of lying to investigators, not object struggling justice. but flipos was released today. he will be under house arrest. he will be under the custodianship of his mother. he is out on $100,000 bond. a couple posted that bond with their real estate. it is not clear if they are family mexico or friends of the family. he came in in a baggy prison jump suit. he was shackled. he looked at the judge the entire time. unlike the first court appearance where he had to be

admonished to look up and pay attention. he said one word during the entire hearing and that was yes when he was asked if he understood the terms of the release. he will be drug test asked he'll have to be randomly drug tested while under house arrest. the next hearing will be a probable cause hearing and that will be on may 17. this is exactly what the defense wanted. they said he should be released because he is an american citizen. he is not a flight risk or a danger to the public and he had nothing to do with the bombings. >> there is also a lot of talk about where the older bomber should be buried. the funeral director can't find a cemetery to take him. what other options are there? >> reporter: they've had at least four cemeteries turn them down. the stiff cambridge has said don't even apply. we're not going to take this body. they don't have many options. people say send him back to russia, to his home country. the funeral director said he can't just send a body if there is nobody there to accept it. he is worried if he does that, nobody accepts it, and they send it back to america, that would

look really bad on the united states. the uncle was there at the funeral home yesterday. he was prepping the body for burial. he agreed. he said that despite the fact that he was born in russia, he grew up here in massachusetts in cambridge. that he should be buried here. they can't cremate the body because that's against muslim tradition. also, if they can't find anything, the funeral director said he will appeal to the state of massachusetts. he said he has at least called governor duval patrick's office to find out what he can do. the state department said they've had no queries. as of now, there seems to be no good answers as to where they're going to eventually lay that body to rest. >> katy tur, thank you. back with us, a senior partner at flash point global partners. evan, i have a couple questions for you. in the case of robel, this isn't a guy accused of shoplifting. this is a guy accused of lying to federal investigators as they

tried to investigate a terrorist act. how do they determine if someone is a flight risk? >> look at this kid. he is young. >> he's 19. well, evan, he's 19. he's not a minor. i don't know that we need to call him a kid. he is accused of a very grown-up act here. >> very foolish decision he made. but tame, he was not involve in the bombing. i think that's important to understate. this is somebody who came across information after it happened and i would say he made a very bad decision about what to do with that information. and certainly i believe he should be punished. but we have to be mindful of what exactly the fbi is trying to do here. what federal authority are trying to do. they're trying to make sure if these kids do know any information that is relevant to the actual bombing or what that, or if there are any real accomplices out there, they need to be turning over this information. that's part of what's going on here. we're making sure not only that he is punished for what he did but more importantly, he has an incentralive to cooperate if he knows something that he habit

disclosed heretofore. >> quickly also, i'm wondering if you have any insight as to why they'll be drug testing him randomly? how does that come about? >> this fit into the profile of putting pressure on this defendant. if there is a reason to suspect this is a guy who might have used drugs in the past or might be currently using them, it is more incentive for him to try to get the fbi off his back. how does he do that? how can he accomplish that? by fully cooperating. answering all questions. and more importantly, in this were ever to go to trial, even to serve as a witness against his friend. there is information that this individual obviously knows about now which is directly relevant to the events that took place in boston. and having him as a witness for someone he knew quite well, that is a very powerful potential witness. that is factored into what the federal government is doing here. >> speaking of witnesses who influence the tsarnaevs quite well, let's talk about the investigation into tamerlan's witness wife.

it is tricky to investigate somebody's spouse because, you know, they can find stuff on her computer that actually he was at. you don't know what he might have told her. what goung the investigation into her. >> yeah. a lot of it is focusing right now on what exactly she noticed around the apartment that she was living in where apparently explosives were being fabricated and the information that was downloaded on her computer. i can tell you from having done analysis of hard drives seized in these investigations, quite frequently the fbi will seize the computers of spouses because the presumption is that the individual had access to that computer, possibly could have used on it their own. could have downloaded material that their spouse was unaware of. already there are copies of the al qaeda magazine, inspire. the same magazine that had instructions for how to build pressure cooker bombs. was she aware this material was on her computer? was she aware her husband was downloading this kind of stuff? if she was, why didn't she say anything about it?

we're really still in the dark about exactly what she knew ahead of time. and the degree to which she herself was involved in any kind of radical activities. it is hard to say just from the computer alone. this could have been her husband downlowing it. either way, she needs to be able to answer these questions. if wasn't her, if it wasn't her that downloaded this, who did and why and how come she did not know about it? >> and being accused of getting rid of the evidence, do you think this fact pattern suggests there might be anyone else implicated? >> heretofore, it has been three sgeeks there is no organization who has taken claim for this attack. al qaeda has not. no chechen group has. every single chechen jihadi group has distanced themselves from it. there is always the possibility there are other accomplices out. there always the possibility some group will wait a year to claim credit. logically if you're looking at this, it does look increasingly like a case of home grown

extremists who either through luck or through good training were able to build explosives which were remarkably successful. we're going to have to look and see more into that question with the explosives. were they really building this on their own? did they really learn to do thought from online documents? is that really possible? if so, what does that say about other potential threats we're looking at in the coming months and years in the united states. >> let's talk about some of the other threats. officials are expressing concerns about copy cats, as you were indicating, readily available as this information seems to have been that they used to construct their bombs and plan their evil doing, what can we do to minimize that risk of copy cats? >> well, look. it is very difficult to find these folks. if they're not in communication with outside actors, foreign terrorists, with their representatives. if they're not engaging in overt activity like trying to buy fire article, it is difficult to find

these folks. ultimately it is a combination of two factors. number one, family members. community members. if people in the community or their family notice someone within their communicate is acting very oddly and is espousing streelist and violent ideas, it is time to make note of that and make others aware of that. and number two, look, where are these guys getting their instructions from? they're getting their instructions from jihadi websites on the internet. if you want to know who is downloading inspire magazine, you look at that. that will give you a picture. not everyone who downloads inspire magazine is a violent terrorist but it certainly narrows the number of people you should be looking at. that's a number that is actually discernible by law enforcement. >> there's an interesting story in the new york time today that al qaeda is calling on people to do things on their own in small cells. that's quite frightening. >> that has been the message. al qaeda's central wing by bin

laden saying you're only responsible for yourself. the al qaeda peninsula a few weeks ago released the lone mujahideen pocket book. every organization, terrorists and supporters are emphasizing the idea of home grown extremism. of lone wolf terrorism attacks and how difficult that is for the fbi, the cia and other law enforcement and intelligence agencies to try to predict that or see it ahead of time. it is very low cost and very successful. >> thank you very much. >> thank you very much. up next, syria threatening retaliation for a years us of air strikes over the weekend. one of the top reporter for that region joins us for a spin cycle. "the cycle" rolls on. [ male announcer ] running out of steam? ♪ now you can give yourself a kick in the rear! v8 v-fusion plus energy. natural energy from green tea plus fruits and veggies. need a little kick? ooh!

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what is becoming increasingly crucial time for the obama administration to make a decision about syria. over the week not one but two missile strikes by israel leveled a syrian research facility north of damascus. syrian officials are calling it acts of war. the moves appear to have been aimed at efforts to supply hezbollah with advanced iranian weapons. israel has moved its iron dome missile defense into position to she'll it from potential retaliation. the strikes may have been launched by israel but as nbc's andrea mitchell reported over the week, they were american made weapons. possibly launched with u.s. intelligence support. and while the white house continues to walk the so-called red line, what has unfolded over recent days is likely to

accelerate the decision making process. this is a big story and it calls for a big spin cycle. nbc's reporter joins us as the honorary fifth cyclist. nice to have you state side and at the table. the thought is that israel took a calculated risk. they assume that bashar al asaad is so wrapped one what's going on in his borders that he is not going to want to take on an extra enemy in israel and really retaliate in full. now, i don't know if that's going to bear out or prove true. but let's take that next step. if syria does retaliate against israel in a big way, that obviously makes us, puts us in a tough position. and the thought there is, now it's our ally on the line. we've already watched them cross this red line and not really done much about it. what do you think our move would be if syria goes ahead and retaliates in a substantial way against israel? >> that's a really good

question. i think it is very difficult to answer that without seeing all the facts and the way syria is calculating the situation. as andrea was explaining, these attacks that israel carries out don't generally happen without either explicit or implicit u.s. knowledge. for several reasons, it is u.s. weapons, u.s. intelligence in some cases. sometimes israel will give the green light. if there is a regional attack against israel, the country that will come to israel's defense is the united states. and the united states in situations like this does not want to be dragged into any conflict without being fully prepared and knowing the cost and benefits of any strike. in a situation like this, when israel carried out this type of strike, the likelihood that syria will respond directly against israel is very low for the reasons that you mentioned. but it has other proxies that it can respond. the more difficult question, will hezbollah and iran entrench themselves further in the syrian conflict and make it that much more problematic for the u.s.

and its allies. >> the way that we're talking about it here and the west and new york is israel versus syria. isn't this really israel trying to sort of minimize the power of hezbollah and keep them as weak as possible? >> absolutely. syria is a proxy war. you have so many regional issues that are now spilling over into it. you have the sunni/shia divide. you have the iranian issue that is playing out there as well. >> russia, let's not forget will. >> absolutely. when it comes to the international crisis, that is the paralysis that has led to this quagmire. russia and china have beared a great deal of responsible. however, the point that you're which i think is very valid, when you're looking at the message israel is sending with this attack. a tactical message and an optical message. they are destroying the weapons to protect their security but they're also sending a message that they're willing to act on their red line no matter who you are in the region. that sends a wider message. not just to the syrian regime. not just to hezbollah but anybody in the region who would consider posing a threat to

israel. >> who they may be thinking about iran. >> it could be anybody. no shortage of actors in the region who would want to do damage or, you know -- >> and i don't think it is limited to iran. they're saying foreign policy, the enemy of my enemy is my friend but that works the other way. the friend of my enemy is also my enemy and israel has no shortage of enemies. syria has destabilized to a certain extent and that mean the shia breakaway may be in charge for a very limited amount of time. but a sunni rebellion may not be as hospitable but may be a border state but much more hostile to israel in the same way that egypt while many people wanted more democracy and more human rights there, what you got in egypt from many long term watchers is a much more reliable peace partner. isn't that the other big piece?

there's iran, the pipeline for hezbollah, and then there's what that sunni alternative would look like. >> that's a good point. one of the reasons why there was such slow inaction from the israeli perspective at least early on, there was slow support for the uprising in syria. it was because syria maintained a very quiet border for israel for the past several decades. the golan heights which has occupied territory never came under direct attack by the syrian regime. this is one of the criticisms thatle people have said against the syrian president over the past two years. you have your military that you're using against your own people. you haven't used it against the country that has occupied your land for the past several decades. so there is that point. noon, the arab spring is also bringing a new dynamic to the situation. the arab government that's arise out of the revolutions have to be more responsive to their people. in this case, the situation in egypt is that you had peace between israel and the egyptians but they were between governments. not between people. as a result of that, what ended

up happening is that the government in egypt was more concerned with maintaining peace on paper than building peace between the two sides. now the egyptian people want israel, if they want to have a jeopardy win peace process. they have to have genuine peace built on both sides of the divide. so you're raising a very valid point. the israelis are afraid of what will happen post assad themselves could get a government in syria that is not necessarily allied with hezbollah or iran but not necessarily subservient to u.s. or israeli interests in the region. >> instead of a client state, they would have a full blown enemy. >> or a full blown democracy as in the case with turkey where you have turkey having differences with israel. they don't to go war with each other. they don't have hostile interactions. but they are trying to understandably so, recognize the differences and try to solve those differences diplomatically as we've seen mediated by the u.s. and other countries. i think if you ask israelis and the turkish government, you would much rather much government that's are democratic and have legitimate grievances.

even though they're ideologically different, than to have countries subservient to one interest for the other. >> and help us understand a bit more. we refer to the syrian opposition, the rebels. this is not one cohesive group. there are factions. what do we know about these groups? do we want to arm them? who are they? does israel want to see us arm them? >> that's a great question. and you know, as a journalist, it is very difficult for me to specifically comment on whether the united states should or should not arm them. however, i can tell that you as you mentioned, the opposition is not a monolithic entity. they may have started from a general point where they were you a on the same side. we would like to get rid of president assad and build a democratic state. not everyone necessarily shares that viewpoint. obviously, there are some that have ideological motivations. others have democratic motivations very much align with u.s. or international interests

for that reasoning. i think when it come to identifying the opposition, we have a good sense of who they are and we have a sense of which groups represent which ideologies. i don't think fear and paralysis should govern the way the international community governs ordeal with rather, the opposition. i mean, there are ways to identify and deal with them on a professional level. and it is one of the thing that arab diplomats deal with me. they want to see more political leadership from the united states in bringing together the opposition and then going back to the point you mentioned, which is so important about russia and china. the only countries that can really deal on that level are the united states. you have to do more in bringing them closer to your viewpoint so that you can put an end to this conflict. >> and every time there is a power vacuum like, this you get al qaeda taking advantage of it and coming in. which becomes a national security issue for everyone. thanks so much for joining us. straight ahead, blowing the whistle on what really happen in

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expect fireworks on capitol hill this week as the house oversight committee hold as hearing on the benghazi attacks. one of the people we'll hear from, gregory hicks. number two ambassador to chris stevens who was killed that night. darrell issa gave as you hint of what we'll hear from the witness on wednesday. >> we know one thing. the talking points were right and wrong. the cia knew it was a terrorist attack. the deputy chief gregory hicks knew it was a terrorist attack. the ambassador before he died, one of the last words he ever said is we're under attack. >> that would be a contradiction to how the white house says the attacks unfolded. in fact hicks said his jaw hit the floor as he watched

ambassador rice on those now infamous sunday show appearances. other so-called whistle blowers from other agencies including the cia have provided information to congressional investigators but are unwilling to speak publicly because of a fear of retaliation. our next guest knows all too well about that culture. he is the filmmaker behind war on whistle blowers featuring four people whose lives were destroyed after they exposed government wrongdoing. robert green well interviewed journalist experts and the whistle blowers themselves. welcome, robert. >> thank you. nice to be with you. >> it is an interesting and important project. help me understand something. when you sign up for government, you have certain obligations that are greater than just going to a corporation that is working for profit. government would be impossible if everyone who had a grievance or had a decision go against them or something they didn't like, not just illegal, they didn't like, went to the press with that. isn't there a greater obligation for people who decide to enter government? >> absolutely. that greater obligation is called the united states

constitution. and it is called democracy. what is wonderful about the four whistle blowers that we profiled in war on whistle blowers, each one of them stood up and spoke out. no personal gain. no personal grievance. it was only about wrongdoing, fraud, breaking the laws, waste of money and literally, saving lives because frans was willing to speak up. >> and one of those whistle blowers you highlighted spoke up because humvees were being used overseas, our soldiers were being killed because they were being blown up by mines and ieds. when they could have used what's called m-wraps which would have provided more safety for the soldiers. the thing that struck me about that particular story was it seemed like the reason why it was hard for this particular whistle blower to come forward was because of the power of those who were profiting off the

humvees. the military industrial complex. led me to ask the question, how often is it the military industrial complex that actually is suppressing whistle blowers and playing a role in some of these stories? >> unfortunately, the military industrial complex, or the national security state, whatever name you put on it, is playing an extraordinary role because ultimately, it is a state, an ideology that believes in secret that allows some to profit while others are punished. and it says there is no such thing as a true whistle blower. it believes they should be locked up. in fact, the espionage act, literally, the espionage act which is designed to prosecute spies was used against thomas drake, a true whistle blower. so there's ideology, profit, and when you put the two of them

together, you have a pretty lethal combination that insists on silence. >> you tell the story in the film of thomas drake who was a u.s. navy and air force veteran who basically identified some real concerns with how surveillance might have been outsourced from the nsa. he flagged those items. he was ultimately proven to be in the right. as you document, the system that he criticized was discontinued. he was investigate in the 2006, he was charged by eric holder's justice department under the espionage act. they had to back down from that. a judge said that prosecution didn't pass the smell test. and they ended with a plea deal widely criticized where he went from facing 30 plus years to espionage to a plea deal with the government saying he had misused a computer from the government. nothing more. he now works at an apple store. why was it important for you in this film to tell his story.

and why should they apply not to traders but to whistle blowers working with journalists. >> we've been trying to get a statement or a comment from eric holder or anybody in the department. maybe you will be able to get one. we haven't been able to. to see exactly some of these fundamental questions. why were these patriots, these are real patriots. they're doing there because they believe that their country is important and they want to stand up and they want to speak out. why they decided to go after drake, what we understand is that they're trying to make examples out of these whistle blowers. to scare away other whistle blowers. as several of the amazing journalists all say, it is a toxic environment. it is harder and harder to get whistle blowers, to speak to journalists. and what that means is it is harder and harder for democracy to do what it is supposed to do.

>> and that's a serious charge you're. of course, people are supposed to be prosecuted only for what they did as an individual. not to be made an example of. >> yes. but we know the way democracy functions. we know the way organizations function. dana priest said the national security state is like a self-licking ice cream cone. a wonderful metaphor. it is all about protecting itself. that's often what we're seeing. it is not about protecting your safety or minor our dollars. it is about protecting the institution and it's institutions that thrive on secrecy. >> the other thing that makes this hard for a lot of folks to swallow is the inconsistency or someone called at this time hypocrisy of this administration in particular. in prosecuting these whistle blowers with the espionage acts. while also releasing their own leaks. whether to the new york times or hollywood film director when

that kind of information could be seen as beneficial to them. how has that been squared away in your film? >> well, i think you make a very important part. leaks are not whistle blowing. leaks are self-serving information giving out to make you or particular position look better. john brennan leaking on drones is a perfect example. design to make him and the program look better. whistle blowers are only about challenging fundamental wrongs. helping to save lives because of programs that are not the best programs. and there's a world of difference between leakers and whistle blowers. what the film focuses on and tells the personal and powerful story i think of each of these stories is they look at themselves in the mirror and they say, this is wrong. i have to speak up. this is what i believe in.

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drama. life, love and one woman's olympic effort to bring glory to her country. draws on her gold medal past. you lake great here in the book cover. >> thank you. do you think so? >> i do. that's my honest opinion. >> i hope they will buy more with the picture. >> you talk about in the book how important it is to have women at the table. you've been in the vip rooms. >> i'm a little bit biased in favor of women. you know? >> yes. >> yes. because we are strong, we are intelligent, we have skills, we have strength, we give life. believe me, i meet with the politicians, you know, trying to leave the country to prepare for

the games. and in a way, they can be charming as well. and enough manipulating if it is needed. the thing is i believe in skills now honestly and seriously. but also, as president of the organizing committee, i was the first one organizing the games. i hired the largest ever number of women. not because of their gender but because they are good for the job. no other organizing committee hired so many women. >> you're absolutely right that women are awesome and strong and power have but a lot of women doubt themselves. how do we get our daughters to get past that hurdle? >> you know, they follow my example. my father taught me to run after anything i want to achieve in life. you know? i had to be a glass ceiling breaker. i have to be bold.

i had to be persistent and persevere. my god, i broke the nerves of many men when i was running after my goals. and the thing is, that i don't take no for an answer and many women do. >> i said i wish i was there so i could meet you in person. >> hi, krystal. >> thank you for being with us. i was wondering, your take in 2008 when we had the financial collapse, a lot of people said, if lehman brothers had been lehman sisters, or at least lehman brothers and sisters and we had had more women in general making the decisions at the highest levels of finance, we may not have suffered that crash. i'm wondering if you think more women in the halls of power in greece could have help to avert or lessen the financial crisis there. >> actually, i celebrated the

women no matter what it was their belief and their political wing because i included all of them in my brochure when i was running for parliament. i was not a baby. it was back in 1990, 1989, actually. and they were in the part coming to me. are you crazy to celebrate it? they belong to different parties. actually i did because i know that problems, they are common. what we need are people who are decisive, who decide to give a solution. this is what i believe in all my life. and this is what arrived in my drama. whatever is the mission, never take no for an answer. i don't believe that there is a mission impossible. and we proved that. >> for all of the sort of girl power progress that we've made

here, it is weird. the role of women is still kind of a controversial one. whether it is tiger mom and paid maternity leave. a couple shorthand first stories that we've been dealing with recently. and women from ann romney to hillary clinton have been judged by other women for the decisions that they have made. have you found that in your culture, and your communities and your business and your experience, that sometime it is women holding other women back more than just men or hierarchy in existing societal issues? >> i don't pay attention to the gender. whoever tries to stop me, i had a way to put them aside. yes. >> sort of a game of thrones approach. >> that's my rule. i mean, number one, i don't take anything as granted. and this is for good.

and for unfortunate circumstances. and if i should take a mission like impossible, i should be afraid, no. lead, follow or get out of my way. >> i like it. >> i like it. >> me too. >> you have a very good vibe. thank you for being here. >> thank you so much. enjoy my greek drama. for men and women. thank you very much. >> thank you for being here. we're going to read one thing. you've heard about her business plan. do you think more american company should adopt her thinking and hire women in nontraditional roles. we asked you. and bob said yes. diversity is not only good corporate governance but most buying decisions are already made by women. it looks like many households do share purchasing decisions. 37% said they lead the shopping decisions while 85% have some input and are involved. score points with us by us on facebook to join the conversation. up next, another powerful woman

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heavy on fancy graphics and racy headlines. according to our next guest, light on actual information. sorry, cnn. from the absurdity, she saw an opportunity to provide satirical commentary through a little program you might have heard of called the daily show. in the beginning, hosted by craig killborn. i've seen that one. with us now is one of the orange creators of the daily show, stand-up comedian, liz win stead. author of liz free or die. thank you for being with us. >> thank you. >> i want to start with the daily show. your orange vision for the daily show, i think, you have to be proud of where it is today. i think it is such a beakon for truth and great journalism. is it consistent with what your initial conception was? >> it is consistent with following the trends of news. and i think that when we launch the show, it was the, the media was a very different place.

it was only cnn. all the other networks had 5,000 jerry springer, people you've never heard of shows. and then all these shows at night were crazy news magazine shows which were, your mattress might kill. there was zero information. and it was nuts. like every time you would watch your tv, you would see like there would be a school yard. and they would take the footage and make it black and white and then have a swing just solo. you're like, oh, my god, child abduction, child abduction. and then trial of the century of the week. so we were launching with not only inaccurate media that we often complain about about nonnews. it was anna nicole, o.j., menendez. we watched that all the time. what the show is d was to the trajectory of how news went. it is great. it did what it is supposed to do. satirize what's happening in the bigger world. >> if you look at your baby all grown up. 17 years old or something.

>> right. >> almost able to drink. and yet a lot of people use the daily show as their prime place where they get news from. what do you think about that? i think jon does an excellent job providing news. if that's your your prime sourcu may not be completely read in. >> you might have some problems. i always hear those polls and i kind of don't believe them, because i don't know how you would really enjoy the "daily show" if you didn't enjoy knowing the information that was out in the world. so i think you have to have some semblance of, oh, i know this happened to get the jokes, but i could be wrong. what i think is even more fascinating, though, the fact we now have kids in college who don't know anything else other than the "daily show" as a place that they look for primarily to get some kind of information. >> i mean, that's what you were saying. >> well, sure. i mean, if they don't know any other place, then they know this sort of satirizing the news, don't take news media seriously. which kind of makes it difficult

for the rest of us who are actually doing serious journalism and serious presentation of news to do the real thing. >> well, is the -- i mean, i think the message becomes, do they watch the "daily show" and say, i have a jaund dis eye about people in power, i'll look into it more. i think some people do. if you watch news with a jaundiced you and think, every time i turn on the tv, not going to get great information, this is awful and i'm cynical, that's problematic and goes to a greater point than i think what you're saying. i think people watch for all kinds of reasons and i think you can't take the people who feel cynical out of the loop and blame them on some level. you know, you just saw the howie kurtz thing blow up yesterday. that's insane. i think people who smart go, i never knew that name before, i'm going to look up that person and keep reading more and find out and make myself smarter and now i shouldn't -- >> isn't it broader than the topic, too? if you watch the "daily show" or

"colbert" a lot, you become a s sophisticated media critic and apply that to different stories. >> hopefully. first and foremost, it's a comedy show. the bigger problem is, why is it that young people when you do these polls and they -- i don't know if they're true. i think polls are kind of -- when they say, i trust jon stewart, it's like, why do they trust comedians? is it because comedians are a little bit more skeptical? are they a little bit more -- they don't have the parameters that one that works in news has. i think they take that freedom and hold it up to a higher standard, not understanding. >> well, speaking about comedy, what is the greatest risk of a comedian can take these days? i have to be honest, it doesn't seem like a lot of comedians really put themselves out there anymore, whether it's the way they handle politics or other kinds of issues. what is the thing the comedian is not allowed to do right now unless they can do it really

well? >> you know, that's such an interesting question, because i think, you can have the littlest thing. we all know, we all are very specific. you get hit a lot. i get hit a lot. you get hit a lot. there's people -- you, not so much. >> a little bit. >> i think that the best thing that one can do is to push it as far as you can, but when you do that, know that you have to back it up. the second something passes your lips, you no longer own it. everyone else gets to interpret it. >> you're not really answering s.e.'s question. >> i think i am. there is no one thing. >> no, she makes you think of -- >> i mean, i think that if there is, you know, when you start saying, "x" topic is off limits -- >> right. >> -- i don't think that's smart. >> new yoo, i think that's righ. as i say in politics, there's a good way to say anything and a bad way to say anything. >> right. >> it's really not a specific taboo topic i guess you're saying. it's just the way you do it.

>> then there's also -- you forget, there's people who don't like chocolate. >> i am one of those. >> i am, too. >> oh, all righty then. >> the thing here, taking out chocolate might be the off limits topic here. >> a little bit. >> lizz winstead, we'll have to leave it there. thank you so much for joining us. >> sure. up next, toure has got a solution for immigration. open up the borders and just welcome everybody on in. and, no, he's serious. he's not joking. am an american success story. i'm a teacher. i'm a firefighter. i'm a carpenter. i'm an accountant. a mechanical engineer. and i shop at walmart. truth is, over sixty percent of america shops at walmart every month. i find what i need, at a great price. and the money i save goes to important things. braces for my daughter. a little something for my son's college fund. when people look at me, i hope they see someone building a better life. vo: living better: that's the real walmart.

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rip up the red tape. yep, i'm embracing the open borders movement. we already have open borders for large corporations. want to build cars in china? no problem. make widgets in india? go for it. if it's good for the global corporate rich guy, why isn't it good for the people, working class people who want to vote with their feet and move out of corrupt, mismanaged or impoverished nations to go to countries that work for them? i can hear your arguments now. this would hurt i economically, wrong. the open borders movement, and some economists say this idea would double the world's gdp. as for our country, immigration helps us. taxes collected, goods and services bought. revenue added. jobs added. immigrants tend to be entrepreneurials, starting businesses twice as often as native born citizens. immigrant founded ventures created more than 450,000 jobs. google, yahoo! intel, ebay. high-skilled immigrants are crucial to america succeeding in the knowledge-based economy. what about wages? well, folks, the economists note

that immigrants have a positive impact on the wages of americans who finish high school. they don't compete with u.s. workers. they complement them. helping them do their jobs better. then there's the terrorist card. open borders and all those bad guys would flood in. not exactly. i remind you the 9/11 hijackers and two brothers in boston entered our shores legally. open borders attacks the root cause of muslim extremism. young impoverished men in muslim countries, men with no future are easily radicalized. it's not threatening our immigration system. giving the men a chance to work here could diminish their poverty, anger, misunderstanding of the u.s. before they're radicalized. just like corporations without borders has given the fat cats a better bottom line, people deserve a chance to be the full part of the global marketplace. open borders will improve the world. i like what the gang of eight is doing, but only by empowering the workers of the world, just

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