police also say the 6-year-old girl found at the house is the daughter of one of the kidnapping victims. i want to bring in nbc analyst and former fbi profiler clint van zandt. clint, thanks very much for being with us. when i listen to the investigator talk about letting the healing begin, you think about what these last ten years must have been like for these women and the reality, frankly, of investigators who need to ask questions. it's really only those women likely to give them the full story of what might have happened. where do they even begin with this, moving the case forward, clint? >> well, after they're sure of the health of these three victims and of the -- what's been described as the 6-year-old daughter of one of the victims,

which would suggest obviously that she had this child when she was -- after she was abducted, once they know the health of the victims is okay, chris, they have to establish the facts of the crime. in essence, they want to go ahead and lock in any information about the initial kidnapping. that's the primary cause. the primary crime. so once they get that information from each of the victims, then they'll go through from that time on. but realize, chris, we're asking these young women to relive up to 4,000 days of their life and tell us what happened during those various 4,000 days. >> yeah. when you talk about establishing their health, and we've been told they're in fair condition, there's physical health and then there's mental and emotional health, i'm assuming, clint, they may be bringing in experts from the outside who are very skilled and very experienced in dealing with situations like

this. >> yeah. they're going to have to deal with experts who deal with trauma, posttraumatic stress. the fbi will bring in some specialized investigators, forensic investigators who are skilled at not only interviewing the three adults but of course they're going to have to interview the child, also. and they want to be very careful to get the facts. they want to reassure these women that they're safe, that -- you know, the fbi spokesman said the nightmare is over. well, part of that nightmare is over, chris, but the other part of that nightmare, every time they close their eyes they have to reassure themselves that when they wake up the next morning they're going to be safe and not in this terrible situation that, you know, we've yet to know the full length and breadth, were they tied up or chained up in bedrooms, in the basement? we're told that the house they were in had plastic bags over the windows, that the doors in

some of the windows were boarded up. chris, the house was in foreclosure. the one suspect who's in custody owed $2,700 in back taxes. and not only is it unique to have three victims kidnapped, held together, but we also now have three brothers who are being held by authorities somehow linked to the disappearance of these three women also. >> thanks very much, clint. i want to bring in an crew dru sutters, a reporter from naet affiliate wlwt. he was just at that about 40-minute-long news conference. give us the headlines. >> well, the headline is, as clint just mentioned, the nightmare is over for these three women who were found in this house just behind me here in cleveland late last night. it's shocking to people in this neighborhood. a lot of people have lived in this neighborhood for a long time. talked to a number of neighbors this morning.

and they are just surprised. one man i talked to said -- i asked him what kind of guy, the suspect in this case was. he said, great. he said the mas that can he wore was perfect, and that was something that really stuck with me about the surprise for everybody in this neighborhood. >> unbelievable. andrew setters, thank you so much, on the scene there. we'll continue to follow this developing story. shocking story. three women in cleveland held for ten years and the joy of the celebration. let me go back to clint van zandt. clint, let's talk a lilt bit about hiding in plain sight. we've been talking about this with terrorists in boston. now you have three men who were able, as we just heard from andrew, to keep this a secret, to go about their daily lives while they apparently had three women and for the last six years a child locked away in a home. can you even start to get into the psychology of that, profile that? and it's not just a single individual. we're talking about three

brothers here. >> well, you know, a lot of it would be speculation, and unfortunately my career has shown me some awful dark people as far as psychologically speaking. and, chris, every time i think i've seen the worst somebody steps up and says let me show you something equally as bad. this situation may well be. we don't know how these women were held. as we discussed previously, were they locked in rooms? were they chained to beds? were they held down in the basement? what we do know from andrew's reporting and from others out of that area, no one saw these women come and go out of the house. so that suggests to us either somehow the person or persons holding them was able to sneak them out at night and back in during the day or else, chris, for ten years these women may never have seen the light of day outside of that house. i mean, this is something truly out of "silence of the lambs."

>> you also do wonder with someone always there why was it just yesterday that someone was able to yell and be heard. and obviously you cannot underestimate the possibility of psychological threats that were made against the women themselves and certainly against the child. >> and that's the good point, chris, is the child. let's look at two sides of this. number one is the so-called stockholm syndrome. that's the identification that someone makes with their kidnapper, their aggressor, where they identify, they don't want that person to be hurt, arrested. the flip side is the identification with the aggressor, which is where that person has threatened me, my friends, my child, my family, my dog, whatever it is has threatened me so sufficiently i am so afraid to try to escape that the psychological chains that bind me are much stronger

than any physical steel chains that could have been wrapped around my wrist or my ankles. we may well find that those psychological chains were so sufficient to hold these three women and that one child there for all of these years, chris. >> and you talk, again, to the neighbors, and nobody seems to think that anything was amiss. you have neighbor who say we barbecued together, listened to music together. obviously one of them was a bus driver. he got on that bus every day and drove. i guess to the outside world certainly would seem to be normal. it is hard, i think, for a lot of people. you look at a case like this and you say how could a guy next door, how could i be so blind? but it's amazing how accomplished they are, what accomplished liars. what accomplished deceivers they are. >> when you get a sociopath, a psychopath, a stone-cold anti-social personality, i mean, these individuals many times are

so accomplished at what they do, they're so accomplished at lying, at covering up. but look, chris, there were three women and at least one child inside of this house. how do you get the food, supplies, everything that you and i and everybody else needs? how do you get all of those supplies in and out of the house and yet neighbors suggest that they thought the house was abandoned and they thought maybe the guy just checked on the house occasionally to see how it was and was both the individual who owned the house as well as his two brothers, did they have constant access to the house, to the victims? what did we do for medical situations? did that 6-year-old child -- was she born in the house? did she ever see a doctor? a lot of questions out there, chris. >> yeah. and that maybe speaks to the fact that they're in fair condition. they may never have had any medical attention, any of them. i want to bring back in to the point of the neighbors, clint,

andrew setter, the reporter from wlwt. and tell me, andrew, about that neighbor who said he called police about this house. >> reporter: yeah. i talked to one neighbor who said about two years ago, he said specifically november of '11, his sister heard some screams from the house and that's a similar story we've heard from another neighbor, as well, they heard screams from if not the house certainly the area and called police. the first neighbor said his sister saw a woman and a small child in a window banging on the window, trying to get some attention. they called police. they said police arrived here, pounded on the door. the lights were out. no one responded and the police left. so if p we are to believe that amanda was the mother of this little girl and if we -- that if that report is accurate, that there was a woman with a small child banging on the window, perhaps that was ammanda, perhas that was another attempt of hers to get out of this situation,

get some attention from the neighbors, like we heard from the neighbors, a lot of plastic on the window, boards on the window, things that would indicate that this house was boarded up, secure. looked like it was abandoned to a lot to people in this neighborhood, chris. >> thank you, andrew. john walsh is the host of "america's most wanted." john, we hate that every time we speak to you it usually means something terrible has happened, although this, at least, in this case, after ten years these women have been released. and you just -- you were shocked by it when it happens, and yet should we be? >> i don't think so. first of all, i'm ecstatic. i think it's just the most wonderful news. i profiled amanda berry and gina dejesus many, many times on merck's most wanted. the odds are against finding missing children alive, but now you've got michele knight, gina dejesus, and amanda berry alive. and there's two real heroes

here. amanda berry finding that moment when those three perverts, those alleged three perverts, those brothers, weren't there, crying for help with her little daughter there, and charles ramsey walking by and so many people don't get involved, he said he thought it was a domestic, he said i'm a black guy, it's a white woman, but he had the courage to bound up those steps, break down that door and get to a 911 call. it's just phenomenal after ten years these three women are found alive. >> and the fortitude of her. you would think if, indeed, the reports from the neighbors previously are correct, john, and at least on other occasions, you know, she's pounding or one of those women is pounding on the window and yelling for help and, you know, how many times do you do that and, i don't know, give up hope, but clearly she never did. >> i think that little girl was her motivation.

she dragged that little girl out that door and saved the lives of those other two women. but you can't imagine what went on in that house. you can't imagine what they've gone through in ten years. but amanda is really the courageous hero here who never gave up and got charles ramsey's attention. and charles could have walked down the street and amanda and those two other women and that little girl could have been in there forever. so she did something police haven't been able to do for ten years, and that's get -- find those three women. >> we do know that while this part of the nightmare is over there is a lot of difficulty clearly that will be ahead. we don't know, as clint van zandt was just pointing out, if they ever saw the light of day, if they were ever allowed out of that house for the last ten years. what kind of help is available for them, john? how much do we know about the obvious scars that they will carry out of that house in helping them to move forward? >> obvious, obvious scars. i'll refer back to elizabeth

smart. i met elizabeth smart the day after she was recovered at the request of the smart family. they weren't talking to the media. we helped get her back alive. i put her face and the face of the alleged perpetrator on merckmerck e merck's merck's most wanted when salt lake city police and fbi thought she was dead. thought the guy had a heart attack. my advice to the smars was don't let her go do any interviews. get counseling. they got great counseling for elizabeth. she's a wonderful young woman. i was invited to her wedding. jay see due d jaycee dugard, who i'll see tonight, got counseling for a year and didn't talk to the media. cowens slg is so important. amanda berry is going to go through what jaycee did, that she has a child by her kidnapper, by her rapist. that's a tough thing that they're going to have to go through. my advice is they get

professional counseling. the national center for missing and exploited children provides that. i'm sure the law enforcement and fbi in that area will say before you do any interviews, before you go out to the public, get some counseling. they've been through holy hell for ten years and that's the way to proceed because this fight and this battle for these women is just starting. they'll have to go through the trial. they'll have to reintegrate into society. another tough part of this journey is just starting. >> john walsh, thank you so much as always. clint van zandt, andrew setters, aappreciate all of your expertise. up next, make or break this week for immigration reform.

this is live with sandra ruiz, the aunt of one of the three women found in cleveland.

let's listen in. >> and that's it. i need to go take care of my sister. sandra ruiz. r-u-i-z. >> thank you so much. >> just heard briefly as we were coming into this that she was saying that the three women who she all now considers a part of her family are doing great, and she said she'd known them all. so a little bit of information and good to know that she feels that they're doing very well, obviously, all three of them still being checked out in the hospital in fair condition. we're going to keep our eye on that to see if there's anyone else who may have some insights into what's going on there in cleveland. in d.c., a few republicans look to derail immigration reform. this is the start of a battle which could come to a head thursday when that bill comes

into committee. republicans could try to torpedo the bill with hundreds of amendments. conservative former senator jim demint is already trying to kill the bill. he rolled out a report putting the cost of immigration reform at $6.3 trillion, but even senators are saying that's not right. >> they don't the conservatives behind them. they don't. i'm a conservative. grover norquist is a conservative. >> paul ryan, haley barbour all penned the study, but it's not just republican objections that could stop immigration reform. senator pat leahy could offer an amendment to let gay couples sponsor their immigrant partners, something that now all four republican members of the gang of eight have said will doom the bill. >> a lot of people want to kill the immigration bill no matter what. we will have votes on this.

people can vote for or against any of these amendments. >> lois romano and the editor in chief of the "national journal's" hotline, reed wilson. is there a big concern right now that all the amendments that may be added will make it impossible to pass this? >> i don't think it will make it impossible. i do think there's a concern about weighing the bill down with a lot of amendments. but i think we have to all keep in mind that the bill has some momentum now. mainstream republicans want some form of immigration reform. we just came out of a very bad election for them where they lost 72% of the latino vote. but they want to make sure they don't rock the boat so, they don't want an amendment on helping gay spouses. they want to just sort of keep, you know, a very clean bill that shows border security, enforcement, and a very long path to citizenship. and they believe that will get through. >> reed, meantime they're trying at the heritage foundation to

make this an economic argument. as we know, a similar study in 2007 helped kill immigration reform then. here's what the "washington post" editorial board wrote. what heritage really objects to is redistributive government programs which one of the stud's's authors termed america's cradle to grave welfare state. even if folks disagree with the number and it's a 50-year projection on that number, nevertheless, could the economic argument work for those who want to derail immigration reform? >> i think there are plenty of folk who is do want to derail this particular measure. they want something stronger. they're not comfortable with the path to citizenship. and this is a part of the evolution of the republican party. we're seeing a sort of polling of both sides here. in one side, you've got the -- i won't say moderates because it's hard to characterize marco rubio as a moderate, but the pro immigration reform advocates in the senate and around washington, d.c., including people like grover norquist, doug holtz-eakin, and on the

other side outside groups that sort of make their living by being more conservative than the republican establishment -- the heritage foundation, the club for growth, freedom works, organizations like that that have made their living over the last couple years by opposing republican leadership. how will the members of the house republican conference specifically view that tug and pull? are they going to go with the members of the u.s. senate, especially if the senate gets some kind of super majority to pass this bill? or are they going to go with the outside groups who might give them a real problem in a primary? it's those house republicans i'm looking most towards to see how this bill is going to do in the next couple weeks. >> all right. steve israel, democrat from new york and chair of the democratic congressional campaign committee. do you agree with what you just heard? what do you think the biggest challenge is? what are you going to be watching for in terms of immigration reform? >> i'll be watching for solutions. the american people want solutions and not excuses. marco rubio has already said

that he wonders whether the hus republicans will even be able to pass this bill. when marco rubio says the house may be too extreme, house republicans may be too extreme, it suggests there may be some turbulence. we need to put the politics aside. we need solutions, not excuses. the house republican leadership are running out of time and they're running out of excuses. let's just get this done. let's vote on it. >> i guess part of the question is what solutions, what problems are there that you feel you need to snovl this bill? homeland security secretary janet napolitano says she'll have an automated system to deal with student visains next month with the boston bombings and who of the 9/11 hijackers came here on student visas. are these the kinds of things that could sort of be detours on the road to trying to get immigration reform passed? >> they shouldn't be detours. look, in the 1960s we figured out the technologies that could land americans on the moon.

we should be able to figure out the technologies to keep our borders secure and create a path to citizenship, to people who came here, as long as they pay back taxes, pay a fine, learn english, and have a job. we should not allow excuses to derail this. and anybody -- you know, the heritage foundation report is a perfect example. you know, the heritage foundation, two plus two equals whatever you want it to be. let's not get hung up on excuses and say we can't do this, we can't do that. we need an imperfect compromise. this is a contentious issue. at the end of the day, we need a compromise. and house democrats are ready, willing, and able to compromise on all those issue, technology, border security, path to citizenship. we need some republicans to compromise with. >> speaking of security, i want to ask you about something else in the news. we showed the video yesterday on this program of the first 3d gun firing yesterday, and we know the blue prints will be available online. this already has almost 1.3 million views on youtube. and now you've got legislation.

i mean, i should say for people who aren't familiar with it or didn't see the program yesterday you can essentially buy the equipment to make a gun that can pass through the security at an airport. >> that's correct. you can now go to an office supply store, by a 3d printer and use that printer to literally make a plastic gun, low receiver, magazine. i have nothing against 3d printers. they are transformational. but i don't think it's a good idea for us to make it easier for terrorists and criminals to make a plastic gun and bring it onto an airplane. i came to washington yesterday, chris, went to laguardia, stood in front of a metal detector. metal detectors are a pretty good idea to keep our planes safe. but if you can make a gun spirely out of plastic and bring that gun onto a plane and if you're a terrorist or a bad guy, bad idea. so we ought to pass my legislation to extend the undetectable firearms act, which was actually put on the books, signed by president bush in 2003, that says that you cannot

manufacture or transport weapons that cannot be traced by a metal detector. it's just common sense. >> all right. sounds like common sense, but i don't need to tell you that there's other gun legislation about which people have said it's just common sense. and we haven't seen a lot of success. so do you have any republicans who support this? >> i know. i committed the sin of using the words common sense and house republicans in the same sentence. forgive me for that. i can't imagine any reason why anybody in congress wouldn't want to keep their constituents safer, why they would want to make it ease yr for terrorists and criminals to get on flights. >> i'm not trying to play devil's advocates, but you looked at background checks, 90% of the american people were for passing it and it hasn't happened yet. so, again, my question is, do you have republican support? how do you get this passed? >> so far not one single republican has co-sponsored or supported this bill despite the fact that republican president george w. bush signed it into law. and so if it made sense in 2003 to sign it into law, it should

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it is only what happened to them. the human spirit is incredibly resill yept. more than ever this reaffirms we should never give up hope." we just heard from john walsh. he had talked to jaycee. she may well connect with these women, particularly the mother of a 6-year-old who was also being held. just a short time ago we heard from the aunt of one of those women. here's what she had to say. >> we always knew. my sister had the strength of a thousand women. she knew. she knew and she kept up. we have the strength. she kept us all in strength. and that's -- you know, i give her -- i don't know how she did it. if it was my daughter, i don't know. she's my niece and i -- >> and she said the three women are doing well. i also want to tell you that police say that there are no court appearances yet scheduled. there are no official charges

filed against the three men who they believe were holding the women. well, anything can happen in the closely watched congressional race in south carolina. for the last three hours voters have been going to the polls to decide if scandal-ridden ex-governor mark sanford gets another turn at politics or if democrat elizabeth colbert bush wins a huge upset in the conservative first district. now, the polls show the special election is so tight the night could end with no clear winner. south carolina's democratic party chair dick har pulian and chad connolly. good morning. >> good morning to you. >> dick, watching this very closely. there have been swings in the polls, wild swings in the headlines. and yet the candidates now seem to be tied according to a weekend public policy poll. so what are you watching for tonight to tell you which way this is going to go? >> well,' we are looking at turnout. the -- i mean, this is a 60% republican district in which elizabeth colbert bush is tied

with the republican mark sanford, which is testimony to how hard she's campaigned and the great job she's done and what a damaged candidate he is. we're looking and already this morning we're seeing pretty good turnout in what we would call democratic wards and prints and a somewhat subdued turnout in some of the republican prints. but it's early yet. this will be nip and tuck. there was a special election in the state senate district in this congressional district last year where the republican won by only 14 votes. so every vote is going to count and it may come down to, as you say, a recount or just a few votes one way or the other. >> obviously turnout. women. a lot of people suggesting maybe it will be difficult for republican women either to turn out or, chad, to vote for someone who so publicly cheated on his wife. democrats are predicting if colbert bush can win 20% of republican voters it's game over for sanford. do you agree with that asse assessment? >> well, i was with the governor

yesterday. we campaigned all over the district. the same kind of anecdotal evidence dick's given, i'm seeing the same stuff. we talked to a lot of women, tom independents, some republicans, some democrats. we didn't hear that. it's like there's a national media nary they've wants to make this all about mark sanford. he made voters in congressional district one realize they don't have nancy pelosi as speaker of the house again. >> mark sanford talked about that on "morning joe" today. let me play that for you. >> nancy pelosi and associated groups didn't pour in more than a million dollars of this race for independents. they poured it in for a safe vote and it really has much to do with the present strategy of taking back the house in 2014. >> dick, if there is an upset here, could it reverberate into 20 to 14? >> well, i think it would reverberate in the sense that the republicans keep nominating damaged candidates like mark sanford, murdoch up in illinois or o'donnell in delaware.

and that's what happens when the tea party dominates their primary. all they can do is try to boogeyman the democrat to death with pelosi or -- and by the way, elizabeth colbert bush is a conservative democrat, a business woman, unlike mark sanfo sanford. she's had a job where she ha to put groceries on the table. she wasn't born at third base telling everybody she hit a triple. i'd be careful taking a road trip with mark sanford, if i were you, chad. that could turn out very badly i hear. >> if we want to look at big-picture stuff, i'm wondering, chad, if this tells us about the public's ability to -- i don't know how you want to phrase it but forgive, forget, absorb what are clear transgressions, character issues? >> well, special elections are always quirky. dick's right, it's all about turno turnout. wifs the governor yesterday and we talked about redemption, the

story of king david in the bible. the ultimate redem,inptionredem everybody he went through. i think his sincerity has come out in all of this. it was just a few years ago that democrats told us that private lives didn't matter and it was all about what you did in public. governor sanford has a solid voting record, a solid record of being a fiscal and social conservative. i think the voters in congressional district one are going to put him back in the congress. >> i have to ask you, dick, before i let you both go, about that controversial comment you made last week about governor nikki haley where you said you hope in 18 months, you hope her challenger sends her back to wherever the hell she came from and this country can move forward. the governor is from south carolina, although her parents are from india. do you wish you could take that back? >> well, i mean, i apologized yesterday if anyone inferred -- i'm the grandson of immigrants. she's not from india. she is from -- >> she is an indian. >> pardon me?

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♪ the officer in charge of sexual assault prevention will be arraigned thursday accused of sexual battle himself. lieutenant colonel kruse kruls was jeff krusinski was arrested after allegedly groping a woman who fought him off. the number of cases has climbed in the military again. joining us is a former marine captain and executive director of the servicewomen's action net work. thanks for kroming in. >> thank you. >> let's talk about the charges against the lieutenant colonel. i don't even know what to say when the person who's in charge of preventing sexual assault is essentially charged with sexual assault. but it doesn't seem like you're shocked. >> it's an awful incident but it's not surprising. we're seeing time and time again not only senior officers are

part of the problem that every now and then they are actually the sexual predators themselves. we really have a mind-set within the military that's focus on drape bug you can't train your way out of this problem. this problem has to be legislated at this point. we see tons of funding and attention going into training and education. but you can't train a sexual predator not to rape. >> well, in this case, at least, he's been removed pending the outcome of this investigation. the defense secretary, chuck hagel, has said the matter will be dealt with decisively. of course that's not always been the case. and there was this air force general who overturned a sex assault conviction against pilot james wilkerson, had him reinstated then in february. but do you sense things are changing? is there slowly a movement in the better direction? >> the new thing is the media attention, the congressional attention on this issue. we've been fighting for decades to get that kind of attention on sexual assault in the military. there's a huge cultural problem. but what we're seeing today as

the department of defense unfolds its annual sexual assault report is actually there's an enormous increase in the number of unwanted sexual contact. >> look at those numbers. 6% jump just l.a. year. more than 2 3 300 victims. the number of anonymous unreported claims skyrocketed 37%. congress wam jackie speier. >> the military culture has to be changed. it has to be scrubbed of this attitude that boys will be boys. so you say you can't just say you can't feel this way. you need to legislate it. what would make things better? >> the criminal justice system within the military has to be reformed top to bottom. we're seeing minimal efforts to reform that system, but we need the senate to take leadership now, acknowledge that neither vick testimonies nor the accused are served well by the current system.

there is not a system built on a fair and impartial process. right now it's commanding officers determining which criminal cases go forward. that's sex crimes as well as other crimes. we need trained attorneys and impartial judges overseeing a criminal justice system, whether it's in the military or the civilian world. we don't have that today in the military. >> another headline, an air force general decided to grant clemency to a convicted sex offender. lieutenant general susan helms nominated to the top spot in the air force command but her nomination has been blocked in the senate has they explore her past decision to grant clemency. the immediate question that some folks have said to me, is it that we need more women making these decisions? but is that really the issue? >> we definitely need more women in the military. there's no question. that will help cause a culture change, which leads to not only sexual assault but sexual harassment and discrimination every day. but ultimately we're dealing with a criminal justice system which can be reformed to look for like the civilian system. we can still take into account

the special needs of the military but really look at the service members who are going through this pipeline and are not served well either as victims or accused. they're just not treated well. we can fix this. >> when you talk about serving the military, how does allowing sexual assault serve your picture of -- >> absolutely. 26,000 service members according to this year's report were sexually assaulted. >> anna, important issue. thanks for coming in to talk about it. >> thanks.

to politics now where new jersey governor chris christie admits he had lap band surgery. ice the headline on the front page of the "new york post." weight is over. his press secretary confirms it's true. christie says he wanted to lose the weight for the sake of his wife and four children and insists it has nothing to do with running for president. although campaign filings also show christie has raised $6.2

million in his re-election bid. senators harry reid and ted cruz had a tense back and forth that sounded a little like high school. >> my friend from texas is like the schoolyard bully. he pushes everybody around and is losing and instead of playing the game according to the rules he not only takes the ball home with him but changes the rules. that way no one wins. >> i wasn't aware we were at a schoolyard. >> meantime, the online sales tax might be a tough sell in the house where some in the much more conservative chamber want to say no to any tax increases. it did pass the senate yesterday with a big majority, 69 to 27. pretty good day on the golf course yesterday. the president teed off with republican senators saxby chambliss and bob corker as well as democratic senator mark udall. but here's the big news -- saxby chambliss got a hole in one.

>> the president got it out of the hole for me and handed it to me and then they brought the flag out later. he signed the flag. everybody signed the flag. and it was pretty neat. >> did he ask for your vote on immigration reform in return? >> actually, i told him since i'd made a hole in one he ought to give us everything we want on entitlement reform. >> stick with the hole in one. that's a sure thing. that wraps up this hour of "jansing and company." thomas robert is up next. good morning, everybody. the agenda next hour, new dae death tails on this amazing story out of cleveland, three missing women found alive after escaping their kidnapper. amanda berry able to escape first with her 6-year-old child then flagged down a neighbor for help. what police are saying about the kidnapper and the ordeal these three women have gone through. we'll talk to two dads whose own daughters were kidnapped with very different outcomes, ed smart and marc klaas join us. and immigration reform. why the heritage foundation is

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what's going on there? >> i've been kidnap and missing for ten years and i'm here, i'm free now. >> twice. that's the number of times in the past decade police visited the house in ohio where three kidnapped women were being held in plain sight. i'm thomas roberts. we begin with this breaking news out of cleveland and the new developments out of the last hour and a half in this unbelievable story. police revealing that amanda berry, gina dejesus, and michele knight were tied, bound, held captive all this time. officers today confirming it was berry who vanished in 2003 a day before her 17th birthday who finally managed to get someone's

attention. >> the real hero here is amanda. i mean, she is is real hero. i mean, she's the one that got this rolling. you know, we're just -- we're following her lead. without her, none of us would be here today. >> so that ball started rolling when a neighbor heard berry screaming from inside the home as he passed by as he had so many times before. however, this time he went to check it out. >> so i go on the porch -- i go on the porch and she says help me get out. i've been in here a long time. she comes out with a little girl and she says, call 911. my name is amanda berry. >> as that neighbor kicked down the door, amanda berry carrying that little child, a 6-year-old girl. police were called, authorities rescued two other women found alive inside. then police took three suspects into custody. investigators revealing today they were at the home at least twice in the last time since the