i'm s.e. cupp in "the cycle." finally free, three women found alive. they disappeared a decade ago. today the cheering crowds, the emotional impact and the 911 call that changed everything. >> brand new this hour, pentagon report detailing a stunning rise in military sexual assaults. 26,000 last year. that's 70 a day. could these numbers actually spell progress? we'll dig deeper. >> i'm toure, mark sanford, stephen colbert, kozmo kramer. we have it all including jimmy williams. >> you may know him as ross the intern from "the tonight show." he is here to teach us what it really means to be a guy so crawl out of your man cave. it's time for "the cycle." >> we begin with incredible story everybody is talking about today. three women found alive after

being missing for anywhere from nine to 14 years. police say amanda berry, gina dejesus and michele knight had been held inside a cleveland home against their will all that time. they were between the ages of 14 and 20 when they vanished in three separate incidents in the same general area. one of the women, amanda bettery, seen here on the right, reunited with her sister is being credited with engineering 53. the door wouldn't open, the samaritan helped her kick it down and berry played this frantic 911 call. >> help me, i'm amanda berry. >> do you need police, fire or ambulance. >> i need police. >> okay. what's going on there? >> i've been kidnapped and i've been missing for ten years and i'm here. i'm free now. >> three brothers including 52-year-old ariel castro, the home's owner are in custody. a 6-year-old girl was also found and believed to be berry's daughter. for more, we bring in nbc's ron

allen, live in cleveland, ohio. i see the activity happening there. what's going on? >> yes, you're right. the fbi habs on the scene for the past half-hour or so going to the house. you go imagine a tremendous am of evidence. 10 to 14 years or so of evidence. we believe the brother lived to some extent and these three women and the child were all held in captivity for ten years or more. just an amazing situation. particularly when you think about, and look at the houses down there behind me. it is a very dense little area. the houses are probably just a few feet apart. a cluster of five of them. the house with the american flag on the porch there is the house in question. you wonder how people, no one heard anything or saw anything. now in hindsight, neighbors are saying that they had a bad vibe about the house. there is one neighbor who says she did in fact call the police several years ago when she call a woman with a child in the window crying out for help. but most people say that they

never saw anything unusual, and that the man who was here, ariel castro, seemed to come and go. he thought the house was vacant and he was checking on a property that wasn't the home that he lived in. nonetheless, a day of complete jubilation for the three families of the three missing women. here's sound from sandra louise, the aunt of gina dejesus. >> if you don't believe in miracles, i suggest you think again. these girls, these women are so strong. stronger than i am. i will tell you that much. and they all have a positive attitude. this is what we need from everyone. we need to still be a family. neighborhood with neighborhood. we need to watch out for all kids. really watch who your neighbor is. because you never know. >> just an unbelievable situation. a lot of these people say they never obviously knew who their neighbor really was. again, it is a typical

neighborhood of modest homes and a lot of people saw this man coming and going and never suspected any of this. police are still there with the fbi and others. they have a lot to go through to piece together what happened and the women involved who were rescued now of course have a long process of healing and recovery. time with their families to try to make sense of all this and get on with their lives. >> those are some incredible revelations. thank you very much. for a closer look at how these abductions take place and what comes next for the victims, we bring in former fbi profiler and analyst clint van zandt and clinical psychologist dr. jamie howard who leads the child mind institute response group. clipt, profile these guys out for me. based on what we know of where they lived and the fact that they were three brothers. is that unusual? >> well, you know, let's say this is based upon what we know. we do have three brothers which is unusual. we've seen teams work together in the past before, two, and three and that bonding

relationship being brothers would allow this terrible secret to be kept. i think we're probably going to find a primary individual in this is what we refer to as a sexual sadist. this is someone who when they kidnap victims for sexual purposes, unlike many kidnappers, won't necessarily kill the victim. they want to keep the victim. they want to maintain that contact. it is not only power, dominance and control, it is torture, manipulation, this is somebody who likes bondage. who likes ligatures and to tie people up. all of those terrible things. kind of a silence of the lambs all rolled in together is going to be at least one of these individuals. perhaps with the other two brothers following. taking part. maybe sharing somehow in this terrible secret. and these terrible assaults that took place this last decade. >> wow. dr. howard, we can't begin to imagine the emotional and

psychological toll that this is all taken on these girls. i mean, being kidnapped and kept from your families for ten years, potentially abused sexually as clint was suggesting, but we know from amazing cases like jaycee dugard and elizabeth smart that women in these situations can heal and can recover. what will they be going through in the immediate aftermath of this? >> in the immediate aftermath, they're going to be struggling with symptoms like disassociation. being foggy or detached from reality. they'll have a lot of reexperiencing symptoms which mean like intrusive thoughts that keep popping into their head related to what happened to them. maybe nightmares, that kind of thing. we on expect them to be what we call emotionally numb. so to have some difficulty experiencing a normal or typical range of emotions. we would expect them to be more irritable or hyper alert and jumpy because they're sort of on guard for a threat in their

environment. >> dr. howard, let's string that out a little bit longer. 10, 15 years into the future. in your experience, do you see people who go through this experience have long term impacts? they never fully return, especially these young women going through this for a decade. during their active identity formation mode in life. so are they going to be permanently scarred by this? >> not necessarily. most people who experience trauma recover, at least to some degree. you're right that this is a really chronic and complex trauma. so what we would expect is there is a disturbance in maybe learning how to regulate their emotions. and learning their identity and what roles they'll serve in their life. they'll have a lot of work to do that they might have typically done when they were 17, 18, and they'll have to get back on track developmentally. and it will likely require some treatment and it might be lengthy. we have a lot of reason to be

hopeful that they can be resilient and have a life worth living. >> that's great news. and dr. howard, there is always little girl involved here. 6 years old, thought to be amman a berry's daughter. what will her psychology be like? how is she sense of all this? >> it is very different for a 6-year-old. the 6-year-old engages in something we call associate logic they pair things together and think that one thing causes the other. we'll have to work with her at her level. she might associate nighttime with being a time when abuse happened. if that happens to be the case. so we would want to teach her for example that nighttime is a safe time. we have to override a bunch of negative associations that she might have formed. and inferred that one caused the other. >> and clint, when you look at a story like, this we cover it in part because it is just so horrific and extraordinary as ron allen was saying.

most child abductions according to the justice department statistics are from family members. that's the majority of the 200,000 or so that we see. what can you tell us about this which i think for people seems even scarier, a stranger, a long term kidnapping as you said. something out of a scary movie. something that really might be people's worst nightmares. what do we know about these kinds of cases that are less common? >> well, call. things. number one as you suggest, the vast majority of child abductions are related to somebody who knows the victim. which i would suggest is probably some knowledge on the part of the kidnapper or kidnappers, at least on one or more of the victims' families that we're going to find out when this all first started. all that said and done though, i think that the relationship that has developed between perhaps the victims and themselves, between the victims and the hostage taker, you know, i don't think it will be a stockholm

syndrome. i think it will be an identification with the aggressor. if you can realize, it is like being a p.o.w. somebody tells you when to wake that, when to go to sleep, what you can eat and then takes terrible physical advantage of you. and some of the stories that we're hearing already are just horrible. what these women have been forced to go through. the manipulation and the degradation that they've gone through. this has been used to beat them down and realize, even though we're told, perhaps, they were chained, they were tied up. i would suggest there were emotional psychological chains that were just as strong, if not stronger that health these women in that house when no one was there. perhaps to watch over them. and thank goodness this one woman had the courage and the ability to finally, finally run and save all of them. >> absolutely. all right. clint van zandt, dr. jamie howard, thank you for joining us. we'll keep an eye on this story for any new development. we'll bring them to you. up next we led to south carolina

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it's special election day in south carolina. voters in the state's first congressional district which includes charleston are at the polls to pick a replacement for tim scott who is now senator tim scott. will they choose redemption for disgraced former republican governor mark sanford or will they choose validation for elizabeth colbert busch, sister of stephen colbert. suggesting the republican will

win, mitt romney carried the district by 18 points six months ago. but sanford is still carrying baggage from his hike in the appalachians and he is due in court thursday to face trespassing accusations from his new ex-wife jenny sanford. as for busch cold better, opponents in this gop leaning district have been tying her to unpopular democrat nancy pelosi. the results will all hinge, of course, on turnout. nbc correspondent kelly o'donnell is in charlie top. how is the turnout going so far? >> reporter: we can only give you a sense of being at a couple of polling places. there is not any official data that we have about how many people are turning out. and what we did get a sense of is that people who were interested in this race wanted very much to participate because of the national implications and because there is just good political spirit here. it does mat here will turn out because there is an expectation that the overwhelming number of republican leaning voters give mark sanford an advantage.

we talked to a lot of voters and it is not scientific but i was struck by how many were willing to be forgiving, saying his past problems were more personal in nature. some sort of troubled by it. even struggling with it but saying they did end up voting for him. then we met some colbert busch vote here's were enthusiastic about her being a new voice. a political newcomer. she's been a business woman in this community for a long time and she's had a lot of attention. a lot of outside money has helped her have ads on the air. very critical of south african. so it is one of those races that brings together so many interesting parts of politics. and you're in a state that loves politics. that makes for one heck of a combination. >> all right, kelly o'donnell, thank you so much. all the hype over the special election is for an 18-month term in the house where the republicans have a 17 seat advantage. one more vote isn't going to change things just that much. that's why msnbc's first read and the "washington post" are calling this the seinfeld

election. it is entertaining as all heck but it means absolutely nothing. >> this is the home stretch. tomorrow is the election. >> right, yeah. the polls close after dinner. 3:00. then when we win, the celebration goes all night until the break of 8:00 p.m. now we're playing politics. all right. what do we do next? wiretaps? slush funds? >> first i need a nap. >> sounds good to me. seinfeld of course was about nothing. but jimmy williams is always about something. so he is in the guest spot today. live from his home state of south carolina wearing the williams family crest on his jacket. a nice touch. who do you think will win this race and what do you think will be the decisive voting block? >> anybody that tells you they know who will win this race or thinks they have no clue, i have no idea. it will be really, really close, i think. i went by a couple polling places this morning in downtown charleston. there were more people there than there were during the run-off for the primary on the republican side.

so there is more interest this time. we'll have to see what happens. we won't know until later tonight. the polls close at 7:00 p.m. >> we won't know until the polls close? did you really just go there? seriously? >> reporter: you asked me who would win. >> don't you think this is so interesting that this is so close in a republican district with a man who sinned so heavily. i mean, one of these -- >> reporter: we're in a state full of sinners that love redemption so that's okay. what matters here is turnout. it matters what the african-american turnout is going to be. it matters about independent women. republican women that will cross over. as i call them, the first wives clubs of south carolina who are not happy that mark sanford wants to be back in the spotlight considering one of their very own was jilted by him. so it won't be white men over 40. we know where they're going to go. it is women under 40 and under 50 and african-americans, jim

clyburn was working with mrs. colbert busch this weekend. that's big. they've been doing major stuff in the black churches. that will help. can you get more democrats and more independents to vote than the republicans? that's the $64 million question. >> let's dig into the lady folk and what they're likely to do here. sanford has this group, independent voice, they've been running ads to help him out. in the ads they say we can't let the perfect be the enemy of the good. that's the argument they're making for him. do you get a sense from talking to the women that that effort is working and that there is a sense of, you know, let's forgive and forget and move on and move forward? >> reporter: i think there are both sides to that. i can tell you, a public figure here in charleston, leslie turn he, she is a republican who came out for elizabeth colbert busch and campaigned for her. she is a republican. she is also teddy turner, mr. sanford's primary opponent's

ex-wife. so there is a very bold move on her part to come out for a democrat like. that i think what that tells you is, you have a lot of women who again are just fed up. they're tired. they can empathize were w mrs. sanford, jenny sanford and they don't like how he's treated her over and over again. and i think it is bigger than that. a the love voters felt like he sort of double talked them into governorship. he pulls these dumb stunts like debating nancy pelosi as a cardboard. bringing pigs into the state house. it is cute, it's nice, it makes celebrate press stories for us. but people are worried that he will continue to do that same stuff when he goes back to washington. >> just call her lulu. do you think she would be if elected, a more special and note

worthy member because of the perhaps outsized attention this race has gotten and because of her link to a very important voice in political media? >> reporter: if she wins she will be 435 in seniority which will put her at the back of the line. at the same time, if the democrats want to hole on to this seat they'll to have give her a lot of special perks. not projects, per se, because they ban those knows pro but don't think for a second that on the front, the republican there's push her out there and try to make her well flown and give her amendments to offer on the floor and committees. guess what, on the republican side, a big bull's-eye on her back because of the make-up of the district. that's the reality. she will become like every other member except when it come to getting reelected. >> what's the story with her arrest? apparently she spent some time in jail on a contempt of court charge during divorce proceedings. how did that go so long without coming out? and is anyone going on care?

>> reporter: ifs an english lit major. it was a contemperature of court charge. she didn't want her kids around her soon to be ex-husband for whatever personal reasons. i can tell you if write in court i wouldn't want my kids around my exspouse, not that i've ever had one. you get my point. i think it is a trumped up charge. it came out about a week ago in a couple right leaning blogs, and it is out there and i think she has addressed it. the question is it was so long ago and it is not really, she didn't run over a small child or something. >> right. >> true. >> silver lining. >> make a prediction. who will win. >> reporter: somebody will win. >> no kidding. >> reporter: it's not you or me, toure. >> the person with the most votes. >> reporter: until a week ago i thought that all the momentum

was on colbert busch's side. this district is remarkably tricky for craft it used to be a friendlier district when henry brown had the district. i was talking to someone who almost beat him three or four cycles ago themselves took away that upper part of the low country, myrtle beach them brought it all the way down them took away a lot of the african-american vote. when you go 30 miles in from the low country, you're in a rural poor area. a lot of african-americans live and they took area away. gave that to the sixth district which is jim clyburn and that's the deal they struck. a much harder district. >> i'll tell you. it is like this when you go to dinner with the guy. will i have the fish? the steak? the chicken? i don't know what i want to do. just take a choice. there are only two names. >> i'll just have the dessert. >> see, now there are many jokes that i can make that i won't because i love you, jilly williams. thank you very much. do you think tonight's special elections results will have a

national impact? carol harris king says no, today the circus. we have elephants and donkeys so who is the ring master. don't forget, polls close at 7:00 eastern. up next, the bizarre news continues. the top officer charged with preventing sexual assault in the military charged with sexual assault. the finding and the spin on all that is next. we've all had those moments. when you lost the thing you can't believe you lost.

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we're going to have to not just step up our game. we have to exponentially step up our game to go at this thing hard. the bottom line is i have no tolerance for this. i expect consequences. >> the president just last hour vowing action on sexual assault in the military. right now, secretary of defense chuck headachel is about to talk about the annual report on the issue. among the 2012 findings, an

increase in reported incidents and an even greater jump in the estimated number of assaults based on anonymous surveys. adding to the outrage, an air force officer tasked with preventing sexual assault in the air force was arrested over the week for, you guessed it, sexual battery. he will be arraigned thursday. he is accused of groping a woman over the weekend. grabbing her breasts and butt until she fought him off and called police. let's take this to the table. and i mean, i guess i'll start with a positive note. a year ago we weren't having this conversation. the fact that this has come to the public's attention, that there is outrage, education, there is some movement for change is encouraging. we're just getting the details of this new report. if you look back at 2011, you know, you really have problems from the bottom all the way up to the top. when you look at the fact that there were an estimated 19,000 sexual assaults in 2011.

out of those, only one% were actually convicted. 191 individuals actually convicted. one in three of those who were convicted were then allowed to remain in the military. and the real key change that a lot of advocates are focusing on, a lot of work to be done. but the key changes right now, if you are assaulted, man or woman, you are forced to report that assault to your commander. so this is a person who likely has personal ties to your assailant. and who may have an interest in suppressing the charges so that it doesn't look bad on their command. that they're not able to keep control of their unit. so the reform advocates are looking to move that outside of the chain of command and have professionals who people could go to who would be independent. one other thing that gets lost here a lot. the bigger impact on women longer term. military sexual trauma is actually the leading cause of

ptsd among women vets. so huge long term health care issues as well will. >> i think there are two deeply embedded issues here. one of them being in military culture. there is not enough women high up in the chain of command to create policies and to put people in place to guard against the sort of thing. if you had more women general who's could have a say on this issue, they would say we shouldn't be reporting to our commanding officers who have all these reasons to not want to see this through. but a larger issue is male culture in america which sees sexual dominance over women as part of masculinity. we need root that out and move away from that. that treating women badly means that you are a man or enhances your masculinity. that's not real. that's a sign of weakness. not a siphon strength. not all of us but too many of us do these things or hear stories from others and support those stories. and support each other in that rather than saying, mistreating women in these ways is a sign of

weakness. >> such an important point. what do we expect of men and what do we expect of the accountability within our military? the issue of sexual assault, especially against women in the military as krystal is saying is very much a special case and a terrible case. it also fits into a wider problem in accountability in the military which is, a, an institution in american life that is so widely respected because of its great service. the ultimate sacrifice that our troops give us for our freedom. that sometimes, that has turned into among some, not most of the military but among some, a culture that basically wants to exempt itself from the normal accountability that we expect in american life which includes independent courts and oversight. on this issue but also in allegations of torture and waterboarding and what happened at abu ghraib where we saw some low level people take the hit but not a full accounting of

what went on and a full set of actions and responsibility. not only within the military justice system but potentially outside of it. and we've talked about that on this show previously. one of the reform is women need to be able to go to civilian courts and have their day in court and not just be subject to those commanders. >> i've made this point before. i don't understand why rape and sexual assault gets special treatment within the military but not just there, also on college campuses. we sort of ask that our young women surrender their security and their safety to college administrators and college security and we ask that they do the same thing in the military. and then we accept that the military or the college is going to adjudicate those events outside of a criminal court. i came upon a great column by adam goldstein who is an advocate for students in rape situations in the new york time. pop quiz. what major felony should be

investigated and adjudicated by amateurs in secret without subpoena powers, a right to representation orfully kind of due process controls? did you say rape? if so you probably work in university student affairs where mock justice systems have been pretending to adjudicate sexual assault cases for decades. it's time for that to stop. i don't understand this let's keep it in the family mentality. i do. it is protective and self-preservationist. both of the college and military. but this is doing no one any justice. it is time to end this practice of keeping these things inside the family. >> absolutely. you've been such a great advocate on that particular issue. and i want to point out that this isn't just a women's issue. by the number, because there are more men in the military. but by the numbers, there are more men sexually assaulted in the military than women. so this is a problem that affects everyone. straight ahead, budget wars being waged on the war this week. up next, the man who says it will all be over soon.

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[ static warbles ] it's back! the debt ceiling debate. was it ever really gone? the latest artificial deadline for raising the federal credit him is a week and a half away with you those so-called extraordinary measures the treasury department can take will likely last us through the summer months. house republicans plan a vote on their full faith and credit act which allows for some spending outside the debt limit but only to pay principal and interest on the debt. don't expect the bill to gain any traction in the senate. democrats argue it doesn't protect payments to soldiers, hospitals, doctors and businesses. our next guest argues the solution to all of this is not going to come from either party and maybe that's a good thing. kevin williamson is writer for

the national review. he is the author of the new book, the end is near and it is going to be awesome. kevin, welcome. you say in this book, government is falling apart and not a moment too soon. the failures of the health care state, retirement pensions, all the government's fault and that's a good thing. this is music to my ears. but explain why. >> you look at these ridiculous debates we're having over the debt ceiling and the sequester and the rest, we're about a tiny am of money in the real overhang of government in this country which is about $140 trillion once you include the unfunded liabilities and the entitlements. there is no way they'll be paid out at their current value. that is equal to about the value of all the financial assets in the world at the moment. it is not going to happen. twice gdp of the human race. the good thing is that these program we're working so hard to fend like medicaid don't do a tremendous amount of good for

people. medicaid doesn't provide much in the way of health care benefits and there are much better ways toer people to fund their retirements than social security. the southeastern those go broke, the sooner they disappear and rereplace them with better alternatives and the fwer country is. >> appreciate you being here to share your views. we probably disagree on a lot. i wanted to focus on the premises of your book rather than the differences. it seal one of your ideas is there is a problem with what you call government related monopolies. that the government is taking on roles frg it would just back off, things would be better. i was a little confused about that. if you look at the health care market, the vast majority of health care service is provided through private markets. that's true even with and especially after the obama care infusion of capital that goes to private insurance. >> i hate to interrupt but that's not true. half of all the health care -- >> instead of interrupting, i'm

your rebuttal. but yeah. one statistic would be 69% of americans are not on government funded health care. that's from the "journal of american medicine." as for medicare and social security you mentioned, medicare operates roughly with a 3% overhead. private insurance has been up to 26% overhead. just on schools and then i'll bring you back in. on schools we used to have about 200,000 public schools in this country. we now have about 98,000. while private schools have risen. the majority of americans still are in public schools, partly because if you're making 30,000 a year, you cannot afford even the cheapest private schools. my question being, what are the monopolies you're talking about or where would you differ with that characterization? >> certainly the schools are a good example of that monopoly. like most monopolies, the upper class really has an out. it is the middle class in urban schools. we're talking about the monopoly

of government services. there is a good example in the news today. we had a story about a guy in the air force who is in charge of policing sexual assaults himself being accused of that very crime. now law enforcement and that sort of thing is a natural state function. even in that situation, do you really want to give those institutions an absolute monopoly on this or would you rather have multiple channels of justice, multiple channels of redress? in almost every situation you're going to want more than one. i'm not calling for an abolition of the public schools tomorrow, although i would kind of like for that to happen. i would like people to have more choices, more options for looking for innovative solutions to social problems. whether it is in health care or retirement or education. the current model of education, we have is essentially this one size fits all 19th century prussian factory model. we've got 900 kinds of shampoo on the shelves and one kind of school. it doesn't make any sense. >> i wanted to dig in with you on health care as well. one of the arguments you make is

that basically no government service or good will be superior or cheaper than the private sector version of that. we have the most privatized health care system of the developed world. we also have the highest cost and drawing on some of what ari was sayinger if you compare medicare cost increases to the cost increases you see among private health insurers, medicare costs have risen less slowly. they have risen but less slowly. so in health care, it doesn't seem to me like the private sector is doing a better job than what our government is doing. albeit what our government is doing is not perfect. >> there is no question the health care market was defective long before obama care was passed. one of the worst mistakes republicans and conservatives made is keep on repiecing. we've got best health care system in the world. if people thought that, there wouldn't have been that much reform. in materials of of being the most private system. you if you look at switzerland,

you will see a stronger private insurance there. they have a mandate the way we do but it is a very well functioning private market which we haven't had. so to take the american health care as the case for free market would be a mistake. because it wasn't a very good system. as i was pointing out before, even under the president obama regime, about half of all health care spending was with the government. have the government side of it, the government side was doing better than the private insurance market. at least in temperature of controlling cost. >> i'm be sure if that's true. they have a lot of ways to push costs off on to other budgets. so for instance a lot of administrative costs associated with medicare they don't have to put on the medicare budget because medicare doesn't to have collect premiums. because they do that for them. so you've got some budgetary legerdemain going on there. but i think if you look at the case of medicaid, you will come one a case system that is

getting a great deal of money and getting almost no results. >> you say in the last chapter, we should have the right to exit the political system as you say we should have the right, we do have the right to exit our cell phone contract. and those things are obviously entirely different of if you clues to not work with verizon, you may not get cell phone service at all. you encourage people in the last paragraph to not pay their taxes. if 10% of us did not pay our taxes, there wouldn't be enough people to lock us up. i don't think that's true. but if you, even if you don't pay your taxes, you will still be accruing the benefits of the government and others paying taxes. parks, military, police, fire, on and on and on. so it is not really a revolutionary or even huge gesture to suggest, right to exit, don't pay your taxes when you're still getting the benefits of others paying their taxes. >> sure. that's not a facetious suggestion on my part. yeah, you're accruing benefits but benefits you haven't necessarily asked for. given a choice i would forego

social security and. the situation since i'm going to get rob my whole life, i'll collect the check when it come. behave in mind during that particular paragraph was gandy's confrontation with the british government. they said do you expect to us walk away? and he said yes. that's what i expect. in the end that's what you'll do. because 100,000 englishmen can't control 350 million indians unless they cooperate. >> kevin williamson, very interesting stuff. thank you for joining us. >> do you know this guy? if not, you should. ross matthews, formerly known as ross the intern from the tonight show takes a ride on "the cycle." and we may never be the same again. nah. okay. this, won't take long will it? no, not at all. how many of these can we do on our budget? more than you think. didn't take very long, did it? this spring, dig in and save. that's nice. post it. already did. more saving.

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much has already been written and said about the lack of media team the kermit gosnell abortion case. he killed babies alive in his office in philadelphia. the overdose death of a 41-year-old mother of three. hundreds of abortion law violations including performing third trimester abortions and fail to counsel patients. while the outrage was slow to come, it eventually did. now even pro, staunch pro-choice advocates are rightly coming out

to denounce gosnell and practices. the outrage is appropriate and welcome. planned parenthood along with many others denounced the doctor, but while you'd think the stunning lack of oversight in this case, multiple government agencies failed to put an end to his illegal practices over the years, would prompt calls for new legislation to make it harder for criminals like gosnell to do what he did for as long as he did. planned parenthood has oddly said, no. it insists that no new regulations can stop a physician who has decided to disregard the law. now, that doesn't stop gun control advocates for pushing for new laws every time a monster shoots up a school or movie theater. when it comes to abortion, there's a difference. for one, lawful gun use doesn't accidentally or intentionally also result in a mass shooting. legal abortion can result in the death of the mother, the death of babies born alive, and the deaths of late-term fetuses. for example, according to the cdc in 2008, at least 12 women died as a result of

complications. are those numbers insignificant? there are also countless stories of born alive abortions that occur in clinics across the country. florida congressman kerry pigman, a doctor, recently testified that in 2010, 1, 270 infants died after being born alive during abortions. why oppose bills that require appropriate medical care for babies who survive abortions? but another reason we should ask ourselves why gosnell's case offends us so much is that medical science has changed exponentially since roe v. wade was passed and therefore we have to confront some hard realities about what it means to end a life today. in 2009, 1.3% of all abortions were performed after 21 weeks gestation. what does that mean? well, thanks to advanced technology that we didn't have in the '70s, the difference now between a pregnancy at 12 weeks and one at 22 is life, itself. as margaret carlson put it in "bloomberg" last year. walk into any neo nakneneo unit

newborns weighing 2 pounds, they'll be playing basketball one day. what happens when there is no monster and the results are the same in for pro-life folks the case is horrifying because abortion is horrifying. at any number of weeks in any kind of environment, whether it's done by the book or unlawfully. but for the other side the very details of the gosnell case we might assume to be the most repellent are sometimes consequences of legal abortion. if we hate them here, shouldn't we want to reduce or stop them elsewhere? it isn't intellectually honest to say these consequences are horrors when perpetrated by a monster like fwrgosnell but acceptable with well meaning and well trained physicians. the nature of what we consider to be human life as changed. as a society it's up to us to progress with progress. that means having difficult conversations about why we are outraged by gosnell and what we can do about it. okay. that does it for "the cycle." martin, it's all yours.

>> thanks, s.e. good afternoon. it's tuesday may the 7th. a hostage situation in cleveland undone. a community unnerved. and a society asking some serious questions. how did this happen? >> the nightmare is over. >> three women, each missing for a decade, found alive. >> she says, help me get out. i've been in here a long time. >> these women may never have seen the light of day. >> okay, and what's going on there? >> she comes out with a little girl and she says, call 911. my name is amanda berry. >> i've been kidnapped and i've been missing for ten years and i'm here. i'm free now. >> the type of happy ending that we don't hear often enough. >> three brothers, all in their 50s, are in police custody. >> you knew ariel castro. >> we see this dude every day. >> seems like an average joe. >> i