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more than a decade. take a look at the suspects. police say 52-year-old ariel castro was accused of severely beating his ex wife. police confirmed the heroing detail. >> we have confirmation that they were bound and there were chains and hopes in the home. >> these stories have shocked the nation, the community and even the suspect's family. >> this family is suffering a great sadness to know that these girls have suffered at the hands of family members of ours. and we would certainly like to say to those three young women that we are so sorry for everything that they had to endure. >> today the men will be questioned by investigators and we expect them to be formally charged. police have released the 911 call from charles ramsey who
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knocked down his neighbor's door. >> can you ask her if she needs an ambulance? >> do you need an ambulance or what? >> she needs everything. she's in a panic, bro. >> amanda berry, gina de jesus and michele knight are in undisclosed locations. >> i was happy that they found her because i have been looking for her. and i just don't want her to think that i forgot about her. >> there are so many unbelievable aspects to this story. all three went missing within a five block radius between 2002 and 2004 and were found in ariel castro's house. first lady michelle obama expressed relief. >> we are grateful that they are safe. it is probably a parent's worst
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nightmare to lose a child in any way, shape or form. i am just happy for these families that they found their daughters. >> kraig melvin joins me live. i know there is a news conference this afternoon. >> that news conference is going to take place we are told right after the formal charges are filed. those charges we are hearing are going to be filed between now and 6:00 this afternoon. we hope to find out the answer to a number of questions. first of all, how these three women were taken. secondly, how they remained in the house behind me undetected for so long? and precisely what was going on inside that house over the past decade. and again all of those questions, we don't expect to get all of the answers this afternoon at the news conference but we expect to start hearing a
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little more. with regards to what investigators are going to be talking to these three women about when they finally have those conversations, we are hearing that one of the things they are going to talk about is a young lady named ashley summer. she was 14 years old when she went missing. she would be 20 years old now. she also lived in this neighborhood. at this point investigators are not saying there is a direct connection. they want to ask the three women who are out now whether they ever saw ashley summers or whether they know anything about this ashley summers. >> thank you very much for that update from the scene. joining me now clint van zant. we have heard that the investigators who are going to talk to these three victims say that they are not going to do any deep questioning. what will they talk about? how will they approach this? >> well, a number of things.
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obviously the first thing is the well being of the victims themselves. anything they need you want to work to reunite them with their families, with with their loved ones. we realize that amanda, the first young woman out said i am free. freedom means something to different people. she is going to have to figure out what that means for herself and for the other two. what the investigatorers need right now are the elements of the crime. let's say kidnapping. you were taken by force and held over this period of time, enough information so they can successfully charge these one to three brothers who are suspects in this case. realize they have 4,000 days worth of history they have to capture. that is going to take a while. >> one of the things we just heard is they want to start at the beginning. how were these women taken?
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we learned at ariel castro was friends with gina de jesus's family. i am guessing you are not surprised by that. have we lost you? we have lost our connection with clint. we are hoping to get him back. we'll have an opportunity to talk with him a little more coming up. later this hour we are going to talk with one of amanda berry's former teachers who happens to be my brotherer. clint, are you back with us? >> i am. sorry. >> we want to know about sort of the familiarity of all of this because we have learned that ariel castro was friends with the gina de jesus family. you are not surprised? >> not at all. you and i might have talked earlier this week. about 850,000 people that are reported missing between the ages of 18 and newborn child,
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only about 115 of those are real stereotypic kidnappings where a child is taken from the street by a totally unknown person. so i think it's highly likely that we find one or more of the suspects in the case would have had some relationship if not the victim with the victim's family. this may turn into some type of stalking type matter where a suspect saw what he may have thought to be the perfect victim and just looked for the perfect time to take her. >> sean horvek was held for 30 years. he talked about what he did after that, how he was able to deal with this and try to move on. here is what he said. >> i wouldn't say that i am scarred. i have consulted a personal
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psychiatrist that i talk to and helped me find my balance within myself. >> going full circle in our conversation. it seems everything the police do obviously that they need to build a case and they want to find out. for example, we have heard there is a fourth girl missing from that neighborhood. first and foremost they have to make sure that they help these women as much as they possibly can. >> they are going to need significant help, just minor things like sleeping at night because they are going to be used to hearing sounds that would have frightened them. learning to trust people all over again. learning to make decisions for themselves. realize these young women have not had the opportunity to make any significant decision in ten years. the education process that they have lost, world history, local history. there are so many things, these
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may be young women in their 20s but psychologically they may be ten years younger. they have to come back into life. >> always good to talk to you. thank you. there is another big story out of washington. lots of posturing before the immigration bill's first big hearing tomorrow. and a flurry of amendments could doom the bill and one that would allow same sex couples to sponsor immigrant partners. for now the gang of eight is holding firm. one puts the cost of reform at $6.3 trillion. >> we are ready for this like we haven't been ready before. we know this is necessary for our economy, that it will be a positive for our economy. we have worked really hard on this bill to make sure it works for everyone. we are going to have endless hearings. that is great. we will have endless focus on
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amendments. i want you to think of the faces of the kids that all they want to do is be americans. >> i want to bring in a member of the house bipartisan immigration group. i wonder if you are as optimistic as the senator in spite of the fact that there are amendments being put out there including the one by pat. what is your level of optimism. >> i am optimistic, also. i think what we see in the case of comprehensive reform is the diversity of outside interest in getting this done. you have the u.s. chamber of commerce and the high tech industries who have stake in it. plus you have farm growers and farm workers and the hispanic caucus and many others. you have a wide variety of interests both sides of the political spectrum who want to get it done. plus you have two equally
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motivated parties politicly. republicans need to make sure that they are not forever doomed with the hispanic vote. hispanic voters have become a very important part of the democratic coalition. we are motivated. >> as you look at prospects in the house how influential will the senate vote be? how close do you think members of the house will be watching to see how much of a slugfest it will be there? >> the judiciary committee is starting to hold hearings on aspectsf immigration reform. i don't think that we expect the senate vote to have a real impact on us. we know that the house bill ultimately will be somewhat to the right of whatever the senate will come up with. we expect the difference to be in conference. there is no chance that we will pass the bill that the senate
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will. >> what is going to be the main point of difference? >> i think some of the differences might come in the degree of immigrants that are allowed into the country. i think it is going to be mostly pretty nuance. we both will have a path to legalization and citizenship. we both deal with border enforcement and with enforcement against employers. our provision on creating enforcement mechanism probably will be stricter than the senate's is. by and large we deal with the same elements of the immigration reform and we deal with them in similar ways. i don't think the differences are all that great. >> i want to ask you about gun safety. mayors against illegal guns is running a new ad in new hampshire. >> campaigning. >> washington needs a good dose of new hampshire common sense. >> 89% of new hampshire supports comprehensive background checks
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but ayote votes no. >> now she says she does support background checks but not expanding a flawed system as she puts it. do you feel the politics changing on the hill on guns? if so, why? >> i think many people who are on the side of doing reasonable gun safety legislation assume that if 90% of the american people were for it then it was a no-brainer in congress. certainly that proved not to be the case in the senate. you are seeing now that back lash. in new hampshire not just the fact that ayotte lost job approval numbers but people say they are less likely to vote for her because of the vote. you are seeing the intensity level on the side of gun safety legislation. that is what has been missing so far in the debate. >> always good to see you. thanks. wasn't as close as we
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expected. mark sanford once again an elected official just shy after he famously disappeared from south carolina in june 2009 while governor. we know he wasn't hiking the appalachian trail but was with his mistress, now his fiance. she was with him to celebrate his win. this morning on "today matt lauer asked him. >> i think this redemption is a process each day at a time. each day you try to earn folks trust. i let a lot of folks down in 2009 yet i have been on a remarkable personal journey since then and hopefully my life will reflect that going forward. okay. this, won't take long will it? no, not at all. how many of these can we do on our budget?
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there is a new plan to deal with what is happening in syria. an international conference set up by russia and the united states. the plan was worked out after intense negotiations between secretary of state john kerry and the russian foreign minister. the goal is to try to get syrian president bashar al assad and a representative from the rebel group to attend even as president obama remains cautious about getting involved in the conflict. >> understandably there is a desire for easy answers. that's not the situation there. i'm making decisions not based on a hope and a prayer but on hard headed analysis in terms of what will actually make us safer and stabilize the region. >> i want to bring in an independent. >> how are you this morning? >> you probably know senator
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corker said it is probably not long before we are arming the opposition. what do you think the next step is? >> i think the news from yesterday between cjohn kerry ad the russian minister is the best news in a long time. there is a civil war and a civil war in waiting once assad goes. and the real danger is there are a variety of opposition groups, some of whom are prodemocracy and secular and some are the folks that we don't want to be in control oft that country and in control of the chemical weapons. i am very hopeful about this international conference. on the other hand i think we have to be very careful about what our role is. syria makes iraq look simple. it looks like a walk in the park in terms of the complexity of the situation. i think we have to be cautious and be sure we are going in on good intelligence and that we
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know what our mission is and our exit before we begin to think about intervention there. >> let me play something else the president had to say yesterday. >> in the end whether it is osama bin laden or gadhafi if we say we are taking a position i would think at this point the international community has a sense that we typically follow through on our commitments. >> you said once assad goes is there doubt in your mind that the u.s. is going to go after bashar al assad? >> it is a question of not us going after him but the opposition groups in syria. i think it is ochbl a matter of time. people have been saying that for a couple of years. in the meantime 70,000 people have been killed. the challenge for us is what role can we constructively play in the situation without aggravating it. people talking about arming the opposition. my concern there is who are we
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arming and could those arms turn around and be used against us in a couple of years. that is exactly what happened in afghanistan. the same for this information about the use of chemical weapons. is it credible? where did it come from? how substantial was it? we have seen this movie before. we have gotten ourselves into military engagements based on what turned out to be faulty intelligence. that is why i want to be so cautious. the one thing we can and should and are doing is humanitarian aid. i was stunned to learn that the fourth largest city in jordan is the refugee camp on the syrian border. that is stabilizing jordan and we have to pay close attention to what is going on in that refugee population. it is a very, very complex situation. and as i said at the beginning,
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this international conference to try to bring the assad regime to the table and it was somewhat significant because the russians before have really been very defensive of assad and last night my understanding was that there were subtle changes in the language that maybe they understand that he has to go now, as well. if that is the case maybe some kind of transitional government can be put in place. we have to press on the diplomatic front and on the humanitarian front. we have to be credible as the president says. on the other hand i think we want to be cautious, too, because it is hard to know where to stop once you start entering into what amounts to a civil war. >> thanks for coming on the program. colorado mass shooting suspects james holmes is taking a risk deciding to plead not guilty by reason of insanity,
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to politics now new jersey governor chris christie has a huge lead against his challenger for governor. he has 60% of likely voters. and the governor is now talking about his secret lap band surgery. >> i asked do you think i need this? he said if you came in here with cancer and i told you i had a 40 minute surgery that gave you a 90% chance for a cure would you sign up?
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i said yeah i would. he said why wouldn't you do that to cure obesity. minnesota is likely on its way to becoming the 12th state to legalalize same-sex marriage. president obama will dine with house democratic leadership part of his on going outreach to congress. we'll see if the charm offensive pays off. and it seems that dennis rodman is trying his hand at foreign nations tweeting i'm calling on the supreme leader of north korea to do me a solid and cut bae loose. and the internet is buzzing over the 911 call that led to the rescue of the three women in cleveland. was the operator as some suggested callus to a frantic woman or in a series of calls.
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that's the impact of global connections. that's bank of america. one hour from now the republican spot light returns to the benghazi tragedy. expect fireworks with hillary clinton a target even though she won't be there. some republicans accuse the obama administration as a water gate-type cover up. republicans take issue with claims that the terror attack was sparked by a video. >> when secretary clinton told family members we are going to prosecute the guy who made that video. how could she have possibly said
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that? >> senator brown's facebook page reads the dam is about to break on benghazi. let's bring in republican strategist and former dot spokes woman and chicago tribune correspondent. vermont democrat peter welch says this is all about politics. if it is a fair minded question of what we could do better on security, that would benefit us all. but if it is intended to embarrass the president or perhaps hillary clinton then it will be damaging no matter who the next secretary of state is or who the next president is. is he right? >> of course. it's not entirely politics nor is it entirely not politics nor was the initial response not politics totally or all politics. i think these things are much more nuanced.
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the issue is the hearing doesn't start for an hour so everybody is trying to get out in front of this thing. we don't know what hicks is going to say yet. we have ideas. >> we do know pretty closely at least what he has said so far, at least in written form. jill, there was this scathing report criticizing the state department. do you think anything could come out of the hearings that might hurt her chances in 2016? >> you never know what is going to come out of a hearing. i think that is why we are very interested to watch. but i think the concern i have is that this committee tends to be a partisan committee. and it looks like the aim or the goal is not to get to the bottom of things but maybe to smear secretary clinton in advance of a presidential run. and that is something that i think would be a shame to come out of what was a tragedy.
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>> she did get pretty tough questioning when there was the january hearing on benghazi and at one point got testa y hersel. >> we have four dead americans. was it because of a protest? what difference at this point does it make? it is our job to figure out what happened and do everything we can to prevent it from ever happening again. >> clearly she came out of that pretty unscathed if you looked at the polls recently. >> i think that is correct. what we have to do is figure out what happened. and i think what the committee is going to do today is do exactly that. this reminds me very much of the 2004 issue when democrats were screaming like they were characters in a painting about the bush administration tinkering with the color code
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for political purposes. to think that republicans invented this is incorrect. >> you don't think something is at play with some republicans who are concerned about a hillary clinton run for president? >> i don't think they are concerned about it? >> you don't think she would be a formidable candidate? >> she was a formidable candidate in 2007. how did that work out? >> and we are curious to see what hicks has to say. could this be just the start? do you think there will be a longer investigative process that could lead to maybe subpoenas for secretary clinton and other high ranking officials. >> i am skeptical of that because the speaker of the house has been reluctant to name a special select committee to look into this. there has been a lot of agitation about this issue on the far right despite this
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exhaustive review that took place. unless there is a bomb shell today i think it is unlikely that we see this continue to add on. >> we will be watching. good to see both of you. let's check the news feed this morning. in just a few hours jurors will begin their third full day of deliberations in the jodi arias murder trial. she is accused of brutally murdering her boyfriend. if convicted she can face the death penalty. the couple held hostage by christopher dorner will get 80% of the $1 million reward offered for his capture. they managed to reach a cell phone and call police. the rest of the reward will be shared by a man who spotted dorner and another who found his burned out truck. dorner killed four people including two officers before taking his own life during a fiery shootout with police. 31 people are under arrest in three different countries in
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connection with a movie style diamond heist in february when eight masked gun men drove on to a run way and snatched $50 million worth of diamonds just loaded on to an airplane. police say they have found some of the diamonds. bmw is recalling more than 42,000 cars in the u.s. because the passenger side air bag can explode too forcefully. it is part of a recall of more than 200,000 bmw models from 2002 and 2003. as we all get ready for the summer beach season coastal living magazine is out with the list of the best places to live by the sea. you have to go to number eight before you get a town in hawaii or california.
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the big question is, is there more room for the bulls to run? >> depends on who you talk to. many think yes but you have the dow having gained about 15% so far this year. the s&p gaining over 14%. some say a breather would not be a bad thing. while the market does continue the trend upwards a lot of people are saying the attractive valuation of equities relative to other assets is one of the things that could keep things higher. you have the magnitude. you have the speed of the rally which is sparing some expectations. and we haven't really had a significant breather so far this year because we have earnings coming out on the hall. you have the fed stopping, as well, stimulating the economy and pumping liquidity into the market so there is a lot of reason why the market has gotten to where it is. >> with the dow up 15% this year mom should get a good gift for
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mother's day. >> you would hope so. if you have made gains on your portfolio shame on you if you don't spend it on mom. mother's day spending will average about $169 per mom. that is up 11% from last year's $152. all of those moms together is expected to reach $20.7 billion. it is the hardest job in the world. according to the mother's day index, moms' value is dropping for all of the stuff that she does like child care, cooking and doing all of those things, dusting in the house. the 2013 market value of mom is $59,862 town from just over $60,000 last year if you gave her a wage for all of the jobs she does each day in the house. >> maybe minimum wage at that.
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take a look at live pictures from capitol hill right now. south korean president is addressing a joint session of congress. president park has been meeting with members of congress. her trip is designed to spend a strong message of unity to the north. police confirmed that no human remains have been found at the ohio house where three women were held captive for more than ten years. this is the first picture of amanda berry reunited with her sister, beth, after nearly a decade apart. her grandmother elated. >> i told her i loved her and i missed her and i prayed for her. >> i'm joined by amanda berry's science teacher before she disappeared. joe also happens to be my brother. good morning, joe. >> good morning.
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how are you? >> i'm well. tell me about amanda. what kind of student was she? >> i was her science teacher the year before she disappeared. she was a very bright girl, actually. she was a very hard worker. she was a tough little girl. she was very cute. she was in a class of 20 boys and five girls. because of the science class we used to do a lot of activities. when they were doing activities all of the boys were aggravating. she wouldn't put up with any of them. she was really an ab student for me. >> you describe her as a serious student? >> she was a serious student. she was looking forward to progressing and doing as well as she could in life. she was just a tremendous little girl. in that class she was really kind of out of character. she really stood out. >> she was taken we believe when she was coming home from work so the first thing i thought here
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she is this teenager who has a job and going to the fast food place every day. >> exactly. i know when i was still at the school here we were all concerned about here is this girl, we couldn't understand why we knew she couldn't have been a run away. we were all concerned what happened, whether she was abducted and killed and whatever or sent away somewhere. we just didn't know. of course, there is always speculation. but at this time ten years later here she is. and it is a tremendous feeling for us. >> she is being hailed as a hero for her bravery. and the man who helped free her said this about it. >> i see this girl going nuts and she says help me get out. i have been in here a long time. i open the door and we can't get
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in that way. we kick the bottom. she comes out with a little girl and she says call 911. >> police say she apparently gave birth to a child who is now 6. what do you remember about amanda that would help explain how not only she was able to survive these ten years but was brave enough to break out of there? >> well, as i said, she was a very smart girl. she would not take anything from all of these young men in the class with her. she was head and shoulders really above as far as academic level was concerned. and she seemed to handle herself. a little rough around the edges, yes. but she i think it is not surprising that she would be the one who kicked out the door and led the other ones. she saw the opportunity. of course, we don't know the full background yet but the fact
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that she was the one who first came out certainly did not surprise me. and i told my wife that is amanda. she is that kind of a girl. >> you have lived in the cleveland area most of your adult life. how long were you a teacher at that school, joe? >> i was a teacher at that school, that was my second year at john marshall high school. i had been teaching by 35 years by that time. i know what is going on in the cleveland schools. >> you have been talking to your teacher friends since this happened. people must be elated. >> they are. several of the teachers that were still -- some aren't still teaching, but a lot of them have retired by now. they are at the school at the same time. some of them did not have her as a student that i talked to but they are all so overjoyed and so happy about this.
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you look at the cleveland city and the schools and stuff and you think they are not the greatest things in the world. there are a tremendous number of really good kids in that system and she is definitely one of them. >> my brother, amanda berry's former teacher. thanks, joe. appreciate you coming on the program. >> you're welcome. we mentioned charles ramsey, the neighbor who heard screams coming from the home. he has become a hero. he claimed he was eating mcdonald's when he heard the screams so the tweet of the day comes from mcdonald's. way to go charles ramsey. we'll be in touch. maybe big macs for life. ramsey's employer has created thist shirt with his picture on it and all proceeds go to the victims. i'm here at my house on thanksgiving day,
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an eye opening government report is out on the cost of hospital health care and it shows wild swings in the cost to treat the exact procedure. joint replacement surgery can cost $5,300 to $23,000. the bronx new york treatment of copd costs around 7,000. less than 30 miles away that same treatment costs nearly $100,000. the government report was inspired in part by a recent ground breaking report in thyi " magazine. you were here with the report came out. the list goes on.
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heart failure treatment, pneumonia treatment from $5,000 to more than $124,000. how do you explain this sth. >> this come from the charge master system which is the double secret billing process that all hospitals use and that are based essentially on whatever they choose to charge for the procedures. what happened this morning is the secretary of health and human services released a list of what private insurers charge for 3,300 hospitals for the 100 most common procedures. and they are startling compared to what medicare costs are. medicare pays .1 for what they charge. >> what is the chance this might spark change? >> there is a lot of reason to think there is. the secretary of hss is also
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allocating $87 million for local pricing transparency groups that will let any patient hospital shop and price shop so you can see what it is going to cost in your area. also, hospitals will now be required to do essentially what medicare does which is looking at actual costs and basing those costs, basing prices on what things actually crost including overhead and salaries. >> where is the power in containing the costs? is it in insurance companies? is it in obama care? is it in hospitals themselves? >> one of the dodges i think that the insurance companies say is after all we get these enormous bills but we negotiate them down significantly before you pay. but if you are still being charged ten to 20 times what you should be charged for a procedure and your insurance company negotiated it down by
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half that is ten times what you should be paying. the prices remain outrageously high. there are the numbers, $77 for a of gauze pads. >> how do they get away with that? >> they get away with it because so much of it is -- >> my mic just dropped on the floor. >> it was a statement of shock. so much of this is embedded in hospital bills that are coded so cryptically that you are not intended to understand them. if you know the secret glyphs of a hospital bill you could read through it but nobody knows that. >> anybodyt that looks at the hospital bill you hope your insurance company is paying for it. that is what we have come to. it is great to see you. i appreciate you coming in again to talk about this. that is going to wrap up this "jansing and co." i'm chris jansing. thomas roberts is up next. with walmart's choice premium steak.
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there have been reports that the women were physically bound and there may have been chains in the home. can you confirm that? >> we have confirmed that. there were bounds and chains and ropes in the home. >> new information about the women hidden in plain sight for a decade. charges can be filed as soon as today against the three suspects. how were the three brothers able to keep such a massive secret and do so for so long? three women and a little girl. the suspects' family members saying they had no idea of the unthinkable crimes happening inside that house. >> reporter: mr. castro, did you have any inkling that these nephews could be involved in something like this? >> no. >> the details that have emerged in the last 24 hours of what
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